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(Talking Points Memo)   ALEC's obstruction won't work, unlike last night with your mother, Trebek   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 29
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2014-01-06 11:32:11 AM  
FTFA: if an employee at a company with more than 50 employees goes onto an Obamacare exchange to purchase insurance and gets financial help through the law -- then that insurer would be prohibited from continuing to do business in that state.  The effect is that if an insurer is doing business with the Obamacare exchange, it's putting itself at risk of being banned from operating in a state with this law in place.

I love it when Republicans champion the "freedom" of all Americans by telling them they are prohibited from engaging in economic activity.
 
2014-01-06 11:41:15 AM  

Somacandra: FTFA: if an employee at a company with more than 50 employees goes onto an Obamacare exchange to purchase insurance and gets financial help through the law -- then that insurer would be prohibited from continuing to do business in that state.  The effect is that if an insurer is doing business with the Obamacare exchange, it's putting itself at risk of being banned from operating in a state with this law in place.

I love it when Republicans champion the "freedom" of all Americans by telling them they are prohibited from engaging in economic activity.


I also don't quite understand that.  What if you found a better (legal) deal  than what you can get from your employer?  Can't you choose to get your own?
 
2014-01-06 12:21:56 PM  

Diogenes: Somacandra: FTFA: if an employee at a company with more than 50 employees goes onto an Obamacare exchange to purchase insurance and gets financial help through the law -- then that insurer would be prohibited from continuing to do business in that state.  The effect is that if an insurer is doing business with the Obamacare exchange, it's putting itself at risk of being banned from operating in a state with this law in place.

I love it when Republicans champion the "freedom" of all Americans by telling them they are prohibited from engaging in economic activity.

I also don't quite understand that.  What if you found a better (legal) deal  than what you can get from your employer?  Can't you choose to get your own?


Nope. You'll get what your betters employers deign to give you, and you'll like it.
 
2014-01-06 12:24:45 PM  

qorkfiend: Diogenes: Somacandra: FTFA: if an employee at a company with more than 50 employees goes onto an Obamacare exchange to purchase insurance and gets financial help through the law -- then that insurer would be prohibited from continuing to do business in that state.  The effect is that if an insurer is doing business with the Obamacare exchange, it's putting itself at risk of being banned from operating in a state with this law in place.

I love it when Republicans champion the "freedom" of all Americans by telling them they are prohibited from engaging in economic activity.

I also don't quite understand that.  What if you found a better (legal) deal  than what you can get from your employer?  Can't you choose to get your own?

Nope. You'll get what your betters employers deign to give you, and you'll like it.


It's all about keeping workers dependent on the "largesse" of the owner class. See, in classic republican projection form, what they accuse liberals of (wanting to make everyone dependent on government services) is exactly what they themselves are guilty of (wanting everyone to be dependent on a small number of wealthy individuals who will then possess hereditary and inviolable authority).
 
2014-01-06 12:24:56 PM  
"I think the question at some point is going to become: Several hundred thousand people are going to be insured in your state," Jost said. "Are you really going to try to pass a law that would take it away?"

Yes, they would.
 
2014-01-06 12:25:43 PM  
The other problem for ALEC and its ideological cohorts is: People will have obtained health coverage through Obamacare by the time these bills would be debated in the coming months.

Debate? No. The proper procedure for a ALEC-backed bill is to bring it to floor without debate minutes before the legislative session ends.
 
2014-01-06 12:28:00 PM  
The point isn't to shut down Obamacare, it's about making people angry enough to keep voting for Republicans. They've made such a bogeyman out of the whole thing that it has become a litmus test issue for people. They needed a new wedge now that they're having to retire the anti-gay rhetoric for the younger generation. Abortion and gun rights will only get you so far, stem cells is basically being ignored these days, and taxes have already been cut to the bone. Banging on about Obamacare is now the way they'll keep getting gullible idiots to the polls to punch that (R) ticket.
 
2014-01-06 12:35:39 PM  
A GOP plan that is illegal? That's unpossible!
 
2014-01-06 12:40:09 PM  
I, for one, am glad the GOP is the party that refuses to place government between me and my healthcare.
 
2014-01-06 12:42:44 PM  
Forget the South: what say we clone Andrew Jackson and Tecumseh Sherman and unleash them on these assholes?
 
2014-01-06 12:52:33 PM  

pueblonative: Forget the South: what say we clone Andrew Jackson and Tecumseh Sherman and unleash them on these assholes?


Sherman would be enough, having Jackson would be overkill.  Oh to have a a campaign donor equivalent of Sherman that'll have the likes of the Koch Bros. messing their pants because s/he can out spend themat every issue they support.
 
2014-01-06 12:54:00 PM  
I think it's pretty clear that 'Muricans love their freedoms more.
 
2014-01-06 12:54:14 PM  

Rwa2play: pueblonative: Forget the South: what say we clone Andrew Jackson and Tecumseh Sherman and unleash them on these assholes?

Sherman would be enough, having Jackson would be overkill.  Oh to have a a campaign donor equivalent of Sherman that'll have the likes of the Koch Bros. messing their pants because s/he can out spend themat every issue they support.


George Soros?.
 
2014-01-06 12:59:30 PM  

Diogenes: Somacandra: FTFA: if an employee at a company with more than 50 employees goes onto an Obamacare exchange to purchase insurance and gets financial help through the law -- then that insurer would be prohibited from continuing to do business in that state.  The effect is that if an insurer is doing business with the Obamacare exchange, it's putting itself at risk of being banned from operating in a state with this law in place.

I love it when Republicans champion the "freedom" of all Americans by telling them they are prohibited from engaging in economic activity.

I also don't quite understand that.  What if you found a better (legal) deal  than what you can get from your employer?  Can't you choose to get your own?


You can't get a government subsidy to help you pay for it.  As far as I know there's nothing stopping anyone from buying insurance through an exchange instead of getting it through an employer if doing so is the cheaper option.
 
2014-01-06 01:07:26 PM  

CygnusDarius: Rwa2play: pueblonative: Forget the South: what say we clone Andrew Jackson and Tecumseh Sherman and unleash them on these assholes?

Sherman would be enough, having Jackson would be overkill.  Oh to have a a campaign donor equivalent of Sherman that'll have the likes of the Koch Bros. messing their pants because s/he can out spend themat every issue they support.

George Soros?.


I said Sherman, not Lincoln.
 
2014-01-06 01:09:48 PM  
Especially since they pissed off Boehner.
 
2014-01-06 01:11:49 PM  

Diogenes: Somacandra: FTFA: if an employee at a company with more than 50 employees goes onto an Obamacare exchange to purchase insurance and gets financial help through the law -- then that insurer would be prohibited from continuing to do business in that state.  The effect is that if an insurer is doing business with the Obamacare exchange, it's putting itself at risk of being banned from operating in a state with this law in place.

I love it when Republicans champion the "freedom" of all Americans by telling them they are prohibited from engaging in economic activity.

I also don't quite understand that.  What if you found a better (legal) deal  than what you can get from your employer?  Can't you choose to get your own?


I can't, we have a 100% participation clause with the insurance company, but I get better than what is offered in the exchanges for less money (excepting of course the preventative covered is slim...  stupid grandfathering!)
 
2014-01-06 01:13:08 PM  
So their plan is basically to run all established insurers out of the state. How many of these people have a brother that runs a small time outfit?
 
2014-01-06 01:14:13 PM  
ALEC should be illegal.
 
2014-01-06 01:17:31 PM  
Well I passed a motion in the local school board meeting that overrules any legislation on this topic, so you big government folks at ALEC can suck it.
 
2014-01-06 01:25:03 PM  
"I think the question at some point is going to become: Several hundred thousand people are going to be insured in your state," Jost said. "Are you really going to try to pass a law that would take it away?"

Yes. Yes they are.
 
2014-01-06 01:34:07 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: "I think the question at some point is going to become: Several hundred thousand people are going to be insured in your state," Jost said. "Are you really going to try to pass a law that would take it away?"

Yes, they would.


Whatever it takes to make the blah man look bad.

No bridge left unburnt, no field left unsalted, no child left behind.
 
2014-01-06 03:05:57 PM  

wxboy: Diogenes: Somacandra: FTFA: if an employee at a company with more than 50 employees goes onto an Obamacare exchange to purchase insurance and gets financial help through the law -- then that insurer would be prohibited from continuing to do business in that state.  The effect is that if an insurer is doing business with the Obamacare exchange, it's putting itself at risk of being banned from operating in a state with this law in place.

I love it when Republicans champion the "freedom" of all Americans by telling them they are prohibited from engaging in economic activity.

I also don't quite understand that.  What if you found a better (legal) deal  than what you can get from your employer?  Can't you choose to get your own?

You can't get a government subsidy to help you pay for it.  As far as I know there's nothing stopping anyone from buying insurance through an exchange instead of getting it through an employer if doing so is the cheaper option.


That makes more sense.
 
2014-01-06 05:45:08 PM  

Somacandra: FTFA: if an employee at a company with more than 50 employees goes onto an Obamacare exchange to purchase insurance and gets financial help through the law -- then that insurer would be prohibited from continuing to do business in that state.  The effect is that if an insurer is doing business with the Obamacare exchange, it's putting itself at risk of being banned from operating in a state with this law in place.

I love it when Republicans champion the "freedom" of all Americans by telling them they are prohibited from engaging in economic activity.


Especially commerce in which they are mandated to participate.
 
2014-01-06 09:17:59 PM  

GardenWeasel: The other problem for ALEC and its ideological cohorts is: People will have obtained health coverage through Obamacare by the time these bills would be debated in the coming months.

Debate? No. The proper procedure for a ALEC-backed bill is to bring it to a rubber-stamp majority floor without debate minutes before the legislative session ends.


FTFY.  See Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Pennsylvania, Kansas, and Ohio(even though they've neutered ALEC).
 
2014-01-06 09:20:25 PM  
I don't know why I bother reading the comments, but I do.  Can anyone explain the preemption bit?
 
2014-01-06 09:38:43 PM  

Rwa2play: pueblonative: Forget the South: what say we clone Andrew Jackson and Tecumseh Sherman and unleash them on these assholes?

Sherman would be enough, having Jackson would be overkill.  Oh to have a a campaign donor equivalent of Sherman that'll have the likes of the Koch Bros. messing their pants because s/he can out spend them at every issue they support.


Overkill is justified in this case to ensure it doesn't happen again.
 
2014-01-06 09:44:43 PM  

SuburbanCowboy: ALEC should be illegal.


Not so fast.  Their concept of not even being conservative should be what ends them.

They can be defeated (see Ohio), but it must be complete for it to not backfire(see Michigan and the use of an appropriation to prevent another Ohio).
 
2014-01-06 10:11:56 PM  

sethstorm: GardenWeasel: The other problem for ALEC and its ideological cohorts is: People will have obtained health coverage through Obamacare by the time these bills would be debated in the coming months.

Debate? No. The proper procedure for a ALEC-backed bill is to bring it to a rubber-stamp majority floor without debate minutes before the legislative session ends.

FTFY.  See Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Pennsylvania, Kansas, and Ohio(even though they've neutered ALEC).


Agreed. TY.
 
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