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2014-01-06 11:56:03 PM

Farking Canuck: s2s2s2: I'd say when atheists are founding assemblies called "church" the relevance of the word "religion" is pretty damned pertinent

And you'd be wrong. They chose church for a variety of reasons but none of which have to do with religion. They could have called it "meeting" or "club" and you would probably still make the same argument.

s2s2s2: But when people bring disbelief into the realm if moral duty, they make it a religion, by definition.

Who the fark feels it is their moral duty. Do you have some imaginary atheist friends that you are speaking for? 'Cause I know you are not speaking for any atheists I've ever met or talked to.

s2s2s2: I'm trying to demystify the word religion.

You're trying to force your definition. Sorry Charlie,when you get coronated as king of the English language you can do this ... until then tough shiat

.s2s2s2: If atheists(apparently what the cool agnostics call themselves, because they don't like accuracy, either)

Accuracy like taking the word from the Greek roots atheos which translates directly to "without god". I like accuracy very much that's why I use the correct word for myself. You don't get to tell me what definition I must use when I am choosing the name I call myself.

Your ego is about the size of Rhode Island. Get over yourself.


1: Yup, I'd be right, and I have shown why.

2: Dawkins. Hitchens. O'Hare. But you don't know them, so they don't count. Plus, two of them are dead.

3: No, I'm consistently using a real definition, and you are claiming that I'm not, so you can claim I'm equivocating.

4: "Without" doesn't mean "maybe with". Yes, you are free to force your preferred definition. Doesn't eliminate the actual meaning.

5: Texas, buddy. I'd have to get over myself though, you certainly aren't getting over on me.
 
2014-01-07 12:13:28 AM
I'll give you points for being stubborn. You just keep on inventing definitions of words and railing against the internet ... I'm sure everyone will see it your way eventually.

s2s2s2: "Without" doesn't mean "maybe with"


Without isn't a positive claim of non-existence. I am also without belief in unicorns and without belief in big foot.

You keep on trying convince the world that your definitions are the ones we all must use. I've updated my tag for you so I can keep checking back and see how it's going. Actually I updated your tag twice in this thread ... a new record.

I'm getting off this ride before you back up again.
 
2014-01-07 12:17:00 AM

hardinparamedic: IlGreven: hardinparamedic: log_jammin: long story short, you're either with them or you're a misogynis

Sounds like the opposite of Men's Rights Activists. Either you agree blanket with them, or you're a man-hating misandrist or something.

I've never met such a Men's Rights Activist.  I have, however, met plenty of Feminists who say they have met such a Men's Rights Activist.

Here. Now you can't repeat this lie anymore, since you've used it multiple times..


That's.... that's parody, right?  You Poe's Law-deploying bastard, you.
 
2014-01-07 12:53:53 AM

Farking Canuck: I am also without belief in unicorns and without belief in big foot.


So you allow for the possibility of Unicorns and Bigfoot. I'm glad to see you still have hope for a fantastical future.

Farking Canuck: You keep on trying convince the world that your definitions are the ones we all must use.


No, I keep reminding you which one I use and when/how I'm applying it. I also acknowledge that it isn't the same one applied to Mormons.

Farking Canuck: I'm getting off this ride before you back up again.


You are a trooper. I'm impressed you haven't put me on ignore. You tag me however you like. I am only whatever you choose to believe I am, after all.

I haven't backed up anything but my argument, and that, with fact.
 
2014-01-07 01:27:29 AM

ciberido: but the backlash proves just how serious the misogyny really is.


I disagree. 99% of the backlash was internet trolls trolling an easy target.
 
2014-01-07 01:48:31 AM

ciberido: That's.... that's parody, right?  You Poe's Law-deploying bastard, you.


That website needs a disclaimer. "This is what they actually believe"

PZ Meyers regularly slams them on his blog.

Hell, even the Southern Poverty Law Center has put out an intelligence report about them.
 
2014-01-07 02:52:58 AM

hardinparamedic: ciberido: That's.... that's parody, right?  You Poe's Law-deploying bastard, you.

That website needs a disclaimer. "This is what they actually believe"

PZ Meyers regularly slams them on his blog.

Hell, even the Southern Poverty Law Center has put out an intelligence report about them.


24.media.tumblr.com

I haz a sad :(
 
2014-01-07 05:06:56 AM

s2s2s2: I'm trying to demystify the word religion. It became associated almost exclusively with theists, because people are stupid, and forgot what it actually means.


Wow.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=religion

It's been "associated almost exclusively with theists" for 800 years dude, your crusade on fark is not going to change that.
 
2014-01-07 08:02:20 AM
So what? We aren't going to end racism any time soon either, and we will likely never irradiate poverty. It's still worth trying.
 
2014-01-07 08:48:38 AM

s2s2s2: Farking Canuck: I am also without belief in unicorns and without belief in big foot.

So you allow for the possibility of Unicorns and Bigfoot. I'm glad to see you still have hope for a fantastical future.


Of course I do. To precisely the same amount I allow for the possibility of a magical, invisible, bearded white man who lives in the sky. That is to say that the available evidence extraordinarily strongly supports the position of non-existence but, since I cannot claim absolute knowledge, I must allow for the infinitesimally small possibility that these things exist. I take the position of non-existence, i.e. I am without any of them, but I allow for the possibility.

It is the only logical, rational position.
 
2014-01-07 08:50:42 AM

s2s2s2:  and we will likely never irradiate poverty.


Maybe if we try hard enough and refine enough uranium.
 
2014-01-07 09:15:25 AM

Epicedion: s2s2s2:  and we will likely never irradiate poverty.

Maybe if we try hard enough and refine enough uranium.


LOL. I really need one of these: craziestgadgets.com
 
2014-01-07 09:18:27 AM

Farking Canuck: Of course I do.


savethenarwhals.org

www.bigfoot4x4.com

2 down....
 
2014-01-07 11:55:15 AM

hardinparamedic: gimmegimme: You seem to think that A Voice For Men represents all people who want equal rights and protection for everyone, regardless of gender identification.

You can't understand what men go through; these constant microaggressions just prove to many of us that we live in a culture that doesn't think we matter.  Pop culture, the criminal justice system...it's a problem that some people just won't allow themselves to be educated about.

Keep telling yourself that.

You seem to have this fantasy world where you equate anyone who wants divorce/family court reform MUST BE associated with the "MRA" movement, and pretending that people want others to think "you don't matter" because of your gender - which is an insane persecution complex delusion. I don't oppose MRA because I don't "want to be educated". I oppose MRA because it's a group of idiots who use the cry of MAH RIGHTS to vindicate and venerate rape, act like a flippant asshole to women and not be called out, and because these are people who actually justify feminism with their actions.

See, here's the thing. I acknowledge that there is gender bias in certain things. I acknowledge that the legal system should be changed to reflect the movement from traditional parental units to single fathers and mothers.  I don't, however, justify this with blatant lies, chauvinistic chest beating moral panics about what a "real man" is, or scapegoating of women.

MRA doesn't speak for men, and it doesn't speak for rights. It's just another reactionary "traditional values" bit of knee-jerk BS.


Friend, at no point have I considered myself aligned with the "MRA" movement, and I've been to AVFM exactly once in my life when I wanted to find out what it was for myself instead of simply believing what radical feminists told me about it.

Do you realize that much of what you say can easily be applied to the radical feminists who engage in disgusting behavior such as pulling the fire alarm at a conference at which men's rights are discussed?  Your paranoia has led you to believe that women are being subjugated in ways they are not.  I hope you'll do some exploration and will learn more about what is going on from a perspective other than that of the feminist...that perspective is quite limiting.
 
2014-01-07 11:57:47 AM

omeganuepsilon: s2s2s2: I'm trying to demystify the word religion. It became associated almost exclusively with theists, because people are stupid, and forgot what it actually means.

Wow.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=religion

It's been "associated almost exclusively with theists" for 800 years dude, your crusade on fark is not going to change that.


I think it's funny that it comes from "read again". That would mean a lot of people posting things like "go back and read my post again" are making a call to religion. Reading a book a second time is the most accurate use of the word. That would make a whole lot of American Xtians decidedly unreligious.

After all:
mericanradness.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-07 12:01:38 PM

hardinparamedic: ciberido: That's.... that's parody, right?  You Poe's Law-deploying bastard, you.

That website needs a disclaimer. "This is what they actually believe"

PZ Meyers regularly slams them on his blog.

Hell, even the Southern Poverty Law Center has put out an intelligence report about them.


PZ Myers also throws around rape accusations as though they are meaningless.  He is a laughingstock outside of his very small commentariat of lunatics and mentally damaged people.  (And as I pointed out, we could not have this discussion on his blog, even though we are civil.  He and his horde mock Freeze Peach.)

You may want to check out Girl Writes What.

You're not going to like him very much, but 6oodfella spotlights a lot of the things that you don't see because you have been told that men DESERVE to have violence visited upon them and that they DESERVE to lose their children in a divorce and so on.
 
2014-01-07 12:11:27 PM

ciberido: hardinparamedic: ciberido: That's.... that's parody, right?  You Poe's Law-deploying bastard, you.

That website needs a disclaimer. "This is what they actually believe"

PZ Meyers regularly slams them on his blog.

Hell, even the Southern Poverty Law Center has put out an intelligence report about them.

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I haz a sad :(


Don't worry...don't worry.  Hardinpaladin is going to solve all of the problems.  He or she is going to fix the gender disparity in colleges.  He or she is going to fix the fact that GenX and GenY women make more than men do.  He or she is going to end the alimony system and not only because it treats women (90+% of recipients) like children.  He or she is going to end the societal acceptance of genital mutilation in the United States.  He or she is going to eliminate the evil idea that every man is a potential rapist in addition to all other unsubstantiated radical feminist dogma.  He or she is going to make sure everyone knows that women are responsible for at least 40% of domestic violence so the PSAs can start addressing women, too.  I'm sure Hardinpaladin is opposed to discrimination and unfairness against ALL, not just against women.
 
2014-01-07 12:31:18 PM

gimmegimme: because you have been told that men DESERVE to have violence visited upon them and that they DESERVE to lose their children in a divorce and so on.


lolwut


And how did this thread go from atheists to MRAs? WTF?
 
2014-01-07 01:19:15 PM

grumpfuff: gimmegimme: because you have been told that men DESERVE to have violence visited upon them and that they DESERVE to lose their children in a divorce and so on.

lolwut


And how did this thread go from atheists to MRAs? WTF?


The atheist/secular/rational community is going through a schism.  Some of us want to advance the atheist/secular/rational cause and others want to enforce a complicated of pronoun usage to protect fee fees.
 
2014-01-07 01:46:24 PM

gimmegimme: grumpfuff: gimmegimme: because you have been told that men DESERVE to have violence visited upon them and that they DESERVE to lose their children in a divorce and so on.

lolwut


And how did this thread go from atheists to MRAs? WTF?

The atheist/secular/rational community is going through a schism.  Some of us want to advance the atheist/secular/rational cause and others want to enforce a complicated of pronoun usage to protect fee fees.


Huh. That sounds more like whining about feminists or transgendered people than a commentary on atheism. Maybe I should go back and read the thread.
 
2014-01-07 02:16:17 PM

gimmegimme: grumpfuff: gimmegimme: because you have been told that men DESERVE to have violence visited upon them and that they DESERVE to lose their children in a divorce and so on.

lolwut


And how did this thread go from atheists to MRAs? WTF?

The atheist/secular/rational community is going through a schism.  Some of us want to advance the atheist/secular/rational cause and others want to enforce a complicated of pronoun usage to protect fee fees.


So I went back and read a bit. So you're not an MRA, you just have all the same talking points.

Reminds me of "libertarians" who are just too ashamed of being called Republican and/or the Fark IndependentsTM
 
2014-01-07 02:18:26 PM

gimmegimme: Friend, at no point have I considered myself aligned with the "MRA" movement, and I've been to AVFM exactly once in my life when I wanted to find out what it was for myself instead of simply believing what radical feminists told me about it.


If you quack like a duck and look like a duck...

No, sorry. You've just been defending them this entire thread because they're such swell guys. Ypu're in no way a liar because you're being associated with slimeballs.

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immegimme: He or she is going to fix the fact that GenX and GenY women make more than men do.


Citation Needed.

gimmegimme: He or she is going to end the societal acceptance of genital mutilation in the United States.


Circumcision is in no way comparable to Female Genital Mutilation. Are you also one of those "intactivist" nutballs?

gimmegimme: He or she is going to eliminate the evil idea that every man is a potential rapist in addition to all other unsubstantiated radical feminist dogma


Citation Needed.

gimmegimme: He or she is going to make sure everyone knows that women are responsible for at least 40% of domestic violence so the PSAs can start addressing women, too.


Citation needed. And I say that as someone who was in an abusive relationship for three years.

gimmegimme: The atheist/secular/rational community is going through a schism.  Some of us want to advance the atheist/secular/rational cause and others want to enforce a complicated of pronoun usage to protect fee fees.


You don't get to talk about rationality with your behavior in this thread. Also, lie to us again about how you're not espousing MRA positions. At best, you're a liar and a hypocrite. At worst, you're another stereotypical neckbeard pig who's looking for a justification to act like a social retard.

Here's the thing. I'm not concerned with solving your problems. I was, however, raised to believe in two things: You don't treat women like objects, and you don't act a complete dick to women because you feel entitled to do so.

You've successfully demonstrated your ability to do both on a regular basis. Again, you're not fighting for my "rights"
 
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