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2014-01-06 01:12:08 PM  
s2s2s2:
Well, I don't think highly of religion at all. But this article isn't about atheist get togethers, it's about atheist churches.

From the article: The world's most voguish - though not its only - atheist church opened last year in London, to global attention and abundant acclaim.
I'm sorry there are religious atheists, but the fact you don't like it, doesn't make it less true.


So, if I call my Wednesday evening trip to the bar "going to church" does that make drinking a religion? If I call a regular seminar discussing clever mathematical solutions "The Church of Math" does that make mathematics a religion?

You really don't have a leg to stand on here, except pure pedantry.
 
2014-01-06 01:13:30 PM  

colon_pow: gimmegimme: You're not making sense.  Are you denouncing the word of the Lord?  The Judeo-Christian God told people to sell their raped daughters to the rapists.  Did the Bible report this rule incorrectly?

no.  you are interpreting it incorrectly.  study it out.


So you're saying that God is just a really bad writer who can't say what he means in a clear fashion.  Interesting.
 
2014-01-06 01:15:13 PM  
Please, oh please let the Onion do a piece on big tent atheist revivals complete with atheist barkers.  "I felt myself sliding away from atheism into belief in a God but this revival got me back on track."
 
2014-01-06 01:22:01 PM  

Epicedion: s2s2s2:
Read that until you actually understand you haven't shown me saying science is a belief system. Perhaps ask an English major to help you out.

You've constructed it so that the belief that science holds reasonable or good answers to questions is the same as unfounded belief. The belief that science holds reasonable or good answers to questions is based on precedent, and held with the knowledge that future evidence could lead to different, probably better answers.

But, of course, there are no guarantees. Just a pretty good track record.

So, again, you're equivocating. There is such a thing as rational belief, and so the belief that science is worth paying heed to is justified by science's record. This is not in the same ballpark as the belief-without-evidence (or "faith") of the religious.


No. I've taken exception with those who say "you don't 'believe' in science."
I do believe science is worth paying attention to. I didn't use the word "faith", so what's your problem?

Epicedion: s2s2s2:
Well, I don't think highly of religion at all. But this article isn't about atheist get togethers, it's about atheist churches.

From the article: The world's most voguish - though not its only - atheist church opened last year in London, to global attention and abundant acclaim.
I'm sorry there are religious atheists, but the fact you don't like it, doesn't make it less true.

So, if I call my Wednesday evening trip to the bar "going to church" does that make drinking a religion? If I call a regular seminar discussing clever mathematical solutions "The Church of Math" does that make mathematics a religion?

You really don't have a leg to stand on here, except pure pedantry.


If you go to the bar, every Wednesday night, and treat it with a high level of respect, bordering on reverence, then yes. That would be religious practice. The word religion means "to bind", or "obligation". If you think we should use the original meaning of the word religion, and you think science is super important....guess what you have.
 
2014-01-06 01:25:42 PM  
Homosexuality is a Learned Behaviour.
 
2014-01-06 01:32:16 PM  

s2s2s2: If you go to the bar, every Wednesday night, and treat it with a high level of respect, bordering on reverence, then yes. That would be religious practice. The word religion means "to bind", or "obligation". If you think we should use the original meaning of the word religion, and you think science is super important....guess what you have.


You've now classified anything that anyone holds in high regard and/or does regularly as "religion." School is religion, daily walks in the park are religion, and picking up your kid from daycare is a religion. Is there anything that's not a religion?
 
2014-01-06 01:33:18 PM  

letrole: Homosexuality is a Learned Behaviour.


Now THAT'S a non-sequitur!


s2s2s2: If you go to the bar, every Wednesday night, and treat it with a high level of respect, bordering on reverence, then yes. That would be religious practice. The word religion means "to bind", or "obligation". If you think we should use the original meaning of the word religion, and you think science is super important....guess what you have.


So Barney Stinson's religion is "Strip Clubism?"  You don't have much respect for religion if you think that anything people like or get together to discuss is a religion.
 
2014-01-06 01:34:26 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: I think I want to start a 12-step program for non-addicts. I feel I'm missing out on all the sharing and stale donuts that addicts get.


It's called "Alanon".
 
2014-01-06 01:34:32 PM  

Egoy3k: lordjupiter: Egoy3k: dfenstrate: As to whether atheists suffer from self-righteousness more than others- I refer only to the lecturing, smug self-satisfied atheists, many of whom have participated in this very thread.

I love it when someone accuses someone else of being 'smug' in the most condescending manner possible.  It's like calling out a typo with poor grammar.

Do you really love it?

Yes?


Ok well enjoy.
 
2014-01-06 01:35:13 PM  

letrole: Homosexuality is a Learned Behaviour.


Open wide.
 
2014-01-06 01:37:29 PM  

Egoy3k: ciberido: It was formed in the aftermath of Elevatorgate because there was a sense that too many vocal atheists were misogynistic, racist, or homophobic and that the "face" or "voice" of modern atheism was too white/male/heterosexual.

Not surprisingly, those atheists who weren't big fans of feminism to begin with don't much care for "Atheism+."

I'm a fan of feminism and I think that 'elevatorgate' is the stupidest thing ever. As such I'm not a huge fan of Atheism+ but that doesn't mean I hate women.

/The misogynist backlash for 'elevatorgate' was shameful but that doesn't mean that  the actual incident wasn't stupid and pretty harmless.


"Elevatorgate"  was the backlash. More specifically, it was the insistence by prominent atheist figures that the misogynist backlash the woman received for speaking out was not really misogynist, or at least not as bad as religious misogyny so she needed to get over it.

The incident in which Rebecca Watson was propositioned by a man in an elevator prompted an initial comment from her which amounted to "don't do that, it's creepy".  If it had stopped there, there would be no controversy.
 
2014-01-06 01:38:05 PM  

Epicedion: s2s2s2: If you go to the bar, every Wednesday night, and treat it with a high level of respect, bordering on reverence, then yes. That would be religious practice. The word religion means "to bind", or "obligation". If you think we should use the original meaning of the word religion, and you think science is super important....guess what you have.

You've now classified anything that anyone holds in high regard and/or does regularly as "religion." School is religion, daily walks in the park are religion, and picking up your kid from daycare is a religion. Is there anything that's not a religion?


Incorrect. Colloquialism and the changing nature of language have removed the notion of those things as religious. The word religion can accurately be applied to any binding or obligatory practice. If you do not like this,that is not my problem, but you are rejecting objective fact.

The fact that people get their panties in a twist over this fact is further proof that they revere their status as atheists, and therefore are religious.
 
2014-01-06 01:40:50 PM  

wingedkat: Egoy3k: ciberido: It was formed in the aftermath of Elevatorgate because there was a sense that too many vocal atheists were misogynistic, racist, or homophobic and that the "face" or "voice" of modern atheism was too white/male/heterosexual.

Not surprisingly, those atheists who weren't big fans of feminism to begin with don't much care for "Atheism+."

I'm a fan of feminism and I think that 'elevatorgate' is the stupidest thing ever. As such I'm not a huge fan of Atheism+ but that doesn't mean I hate women.

/The misogynist backlash for 'elevatorgate' was shameful but that doesn't mean that  the actual incident wasn't stupid and pretty harmless.

"Elevatorgate"  was the backlash. More specifically, it was the insistence by prominent atheist figures that the misogynist backlash the woman received for speaking out was not really misogynist, or at least not as bad as religious misogyny so she needed to get over it.

The incident in which Rebecca Watson was propositioned by a man in an elevator prompted an initial comment from her which amounted to "don't do that, it's creepy".  If it had stopped there, there would be no controversy.


Yes, yes.  You're right.  Watson and everyone in her clown car are blameless victims of those big, bad fedora-wearing men and never did anything wrong.

Can we please have a moment of silence for the perpetual victims?
 
2014-01-06 01:45:25 PM  

s2s2s2: Epicedion: s2s2s2: If you go to the bar, every Wednesday night, and treat it with a high level of respect, bordering on reverence, then yes. That would be religious practice. The word religion means "to bind", or "obligation". If you think we should use the original meaning of the word religion, and you think science is super important....guess what you have.

You've now classified anything that anyone holds in high regard and/or does regularly as "religion." School is religion, daily walks in the park are religion, and picking up your kid from daycare is a religion. Is there anything that's not a religion?

Incorrect. Colloquialism and the changing nature of language have removed the notion of those things as religious. The word religion can accurately be applied to any binding or obligatory practice. If you do not like this,that is not my problem, but you are rejecting objective fact.

The fact that people get their panties in a twist over this fact is further proof that they revere their status as atheists, and therefore are religious.


After explaining to us how an archaic dictionary definition of a word is an unending truth, please explain why you ostensibly haven't held up your part of the Christian bargain as delineated in the Bible.
 
2014-01-06 01:45:37 PM  

wingedkat: Egoy3k: ciberido: It was formed in the aftermath of Elevatorgate because there was a sense that too many vocal atheists were misogynistic, racist, or homophobic and that the "face" or "voice" of modern atheism was too white/male/heterosexual.

Not surprisingly, those atheists who weren't big fans of feminism to begin with don't much care for "Atheism+."

I'm a fan of feminism and I think that 'elevatorgate' is the stupidest thing ever. As such I'm not a huge fan of Atheism+ but that doesn't mean I hate women.

/The misogynist backlash for 'elevatorgate' was shameful but that doesn't mean that  the actual incident wasn't stupid and pretty harmless.

"Elevatorgate"  was the backlash. More specifically, it was the insistence by prominent atheist figures that the misogynist backlash the woman received for speaking out was not really misogynist, or at least not as bad as religious misogyny so she needed to get over it.

The incident in which Rebecca Watson was propositioned by a man in an elevator prompted an initial comment from her which amounted to "don't do that, it's creepy".  If it had stopped there, there would be no controversy.


Fair enough but I took issue with the 'don't do that, it's creepy' and I would have liked a civil discussion about how attitudes from both genders need to change in order to move forward.  Too bad a bunch of man children ruined it.
 
2014-01-06 01:45:37 PM  

wingedkat: Egoy3k: ciberido: It was formed in the aftermath of Elevatorgate because there was a sense that too many vocal atheists were misogynistic, racist, or homophobic and that the "face" or "voice" of modern atheism was too white/male/heterosexual.

Not surprisingly, those atheists who weren't big fans of feminism to begin with don't much care for "Atheism+."

I'm a fan of feminism and I think that 'elevatorgate' is the stupidest thing ever. As such I'm not a huge fan of Atheism+ but that doesn't mean I hate women.

/The misogynist backlash for 'elevatorgate' was shameful but that doesn't mean that  the actual incident wasn't stupid and pretty harmless.

"Elevatorgate"  was the backlash. More specifically, it was the insistence by prominent atheist figures that the misogynist backlash the woman received for speaking out was not really misogynist, or at least not as bad as religious misogyny so she needed to get over it.

The incident in which Rebecca Watson was propositioned by a man in an elevator prompted an initial comment from her which amounted to "don't do that, it's creepy".  If it had stopped there, there would be no controversy.


Not to mention that her point was that she had just been talking about how that sort of thing(isolating a female to proposition her) was viewed as predatory and how she wishes guys wouldn't do that. She announced that she was very tired and wanted sleep, then left. Having recognized the guy from that group, it was a little more than creepy that he did what she was just saying made her very uncomfortable.
 
2014-01-06 01:48:02 PM  

s2s2s2: wingedkat: Egoy3k: ciberido: It was formed in the aftermath of Elevatorgate because there was a sense that too many vocal atheists were misogynistic, racist, or homophobic and that the "face" or "voice" of modern atheism was too white/male/heterosexual.

Not surprisingly, those atheists who weren't big fans of feminism to begin with don't much care for "Atheism+."

I'm a fan of feminism and I think that 'elevatorgate' is the stupidest thing ever. As such I'm not a huge fan of Atheism+ but that doesn't mean I hate women.

/The misogynist backlash for 'elevatorgate' was shameful but that doesn't mean that  the actual incident wasn't stupid and pretty harmless.

"Elevatorgate"  was the backlash. More specifically, it was the insistence by prominent atheist figures that the misogynist backlash the woman received for speaking out was not really misogynist, or at least not as bad as religious misogyny so she needed to get over it.

The incident in which Rebecca Watson was propositioned by a man in an elevator prompted an initial comment from her which amounted to "don't do that, it's creepy".  If it had stopped there, there would be no controversy.

Not to mention that her point was that she had just been talking about how that sort of thing(isolating a female to proposition her) was viewed as predatory and how she wishes guys wouldn't do that. She announced that she was very tired and wanted sleep, then left. Having recognized the guy from that group, it was a little more than creepy that he did what she was just saying made her very uncomfortable.


This part is not factually correct in any of Watson's descriptions of the event.

Egoy3k: wingedkat: Egoy3k: ciberido: It was formed in the aftermath of Elevatorgate because there was a sense that too many vocal atheists were misogynistic, racist, or homophobic and that the "face" or "voice" of modern atheism was too white/male/heterosexual.

Not surprisingly, those atheists who weren't big fans of feminism to begin with don't much care for "Atheism+."

I'm a fan of feminism and I think that 'elevatorgate' is the stupidest thing ever. As such I'm not a huge fan of Atheism+ but that doesn't mean I hate women.

/The misogynist backlash for 'elevatorgate' was shameful but that doesn't mean that  the actual incident wasn't stupid and pretty harmless.

"Elevatorgate"  was the backlash. More specifically, it was the insistence by prominent atheist figures that the misogynist backlash the woman received for speaking out was not really misogynist, or at least not as bad as religious misogyny so she needed to get over it.

The incident in which Rebecca Watson was propositioned by a man in an elevator prompted an initial comment from her which amounted to "don't do that, it's creepy".  If it had stopped there, there would be no controversy.

Fair enough but I took issue with the 'don't do that, it's creepy' and I would have liked a civil discussion about how attitudes from both genders need to change in order to move forward.  Too bad a bunch of man children ruined it.


I know!  It's like every problem in the world is caused by men.  Can you believe they cry "sexism!" when we point that out?!?!?!
 
2014-01-06 01:49:03 PM  
s2s2s2:

Incorrect. Colloquialism and the changing nature of language have removed the notion of those things as religious. The word religion can accurately be applied to any binding or obligatory practice. If you do not like this,that is not my problem, but you are rejecting objective fact.

The fact that people get their panties in a twist over this fact is further proof that they revere their status as atheists, and therefore are religious.


Now you're just declaring things. Your criteria seems to be that everything  you say is a religion is a religion, while other things with indistinguishably similar properties  aren't religions.

It all sounds remarkably like bullshiat.

With regards to "binding or obligatory practice," that would mean that paying your taxes is a religion. In fact, anything with real negative consequences for noncompliance would be a religion. If a mugger pulls a gun on you and demands your wallet, giving wallets to muggers is a religion.
 
2014-01-06 01:49:15 PM  

gimmegimme: s2s2s2: Epicedion: s2s2s2: If you go to the bar, every Wednesday night, and treat it with a high level of respect, bordering on reverence, then yes. That would be religious practice. The word religion means "to bind", or "obligation". If you think we should use the original meaning of the word religion, and you think science is super important....guess what you have.

You've now classified anything that anyone holds in high regard and/or does regularly as "religion." School is religion, daily walks in the park are religion, and picking up your kid from daycare is a religion. Is there anything that's not a religion?

Incorrect. Colloquialism and the changing nature of language have removed the notion of those things as religious. The word religion can accurately be applied to any binding or obligatory practice. If you do not like this,that is not my problem, but you are rejecting objective fact.

The fact that people get their panties in a twist over this fact is further proof that they revere their status as atheists, and therefore are religious.

After explaining to us how an archaic dictionary definition of a word is an unending truth, please explain why you ostensibly haven't held up your part of the Christian bargain as delineated in the Bible.


I'm sorry I'm not picking the same cherries you are. I guess by using the root definition of a word, I've committed some kind of sin. What makes you think I have any obligation to hold up a Christian bargain, other than your imagination, and inability to understand much of anything I've posted in this thread?
 
2014-01-06 01:52:16 PM  

Epicedion: s2s2s2:

Incorrect. Colloquialism and the changing nature of language have removed the notion of those things as religious. The word religion can accurately be applied to any binding or obligatory practice. If you do not like this,that is not my problem, but you are rejecting objective fact.

The fact that people get their panties in a twist over this fact is further proof that they revere their status as atheists, and therefore are religious.

Now you're just declaring things. Your criteria seems to be that everything  you say is a religion is a religion, while other things with indistinguishably similar properties  aren't religions.

It all sounds remarkably like bullshiat.

With regards to "binding or obligatory practice," that would mean that paying your taxes is a religion. In fact, anything with real negative consequences for noncompliance would be a religion. If a mugger pulls a gun on you and demands your wallet, giving wallets to muggers is a religion.


Yeah, if it fits the definition of religion, I feel free to apply the word. I'm a farking maverick, I tell ya!
 
2014-01-06 01:52:52 PM  

s2s2s2: gimmegimme: s2s2s2: Epicedion: s2s2s2: If you go to the bar, every Wednesday night, and treat it with a high level of respect, bordering on reverence, then yes. That would be religious practice. The word religion means "to bind", or "obligation". If you think we should use the original meaning of the word religion, and you think science is super important....guess what you have.

You've now classified anything that anyone holds in high regard and/or does regularly as "religion." School is religion, daily walks in the park are religion, and picking up your kid from daycare is a religion. Is there anything that's not a religion?

Incorrect. Colloquialism and the changing nature of language have removed the notion of those things as religious. The word religion can accurately be applied to any binding or obligatory practice. If you do not like this,that is not my problem, but you are rejecting objective fact.

The fact that people get their panties in a twist over this fact is further proof that they revere their status as atheists, and therefore are religious.

After explaining to us how an archaic dictionary definition of a word is an unending truth, please explain why you ostensibly haven't held up your part of the Christian bargain as delineated in the Bible.

I'm sorry I'm not picking the same cherries you are. I guess by using the root definition of a word, I've committed some kind of sin. What makes you think I have any obligation to hold up a Christian bargain, other than your imagination, and inability to understand much of anything I've posted in this thread?


No, you're using an archaic definition of a word to try and apply the meaning to modern usage.  Language evolves, brah.  It's like saying that your ex-wife still has to be married to you and obey you Bible-style even though she divorced you fifty years ago.
 
2014-01-06 02:02:05 PM  

s2s2s2: Yeah, if it fits the definition of religion, I feel free to apply the word.


Hence, everything is a religion. That makes the word useless. Congratulations, everything is everything and your contributions are meaningless.
 
2014-01-06 02:03:06 PM  

gimmegimme: Language evolves, brah.


Yeah, and thanks to the evolution of the word "religion" it can be applied to more than just those who observe rituals surrounding a deity. When I use that definition, I get complaints. When I use the root meaning of the word, I get complaints. The problem is that religion does NOT only mean "belief in a deity", but because that is a way the word has been applied, a lot of people fear being associated with it.

It started out meaning "obligation" it evolved to mean "church folks" then morphed again to mean "whatever your most favorite thing is that you pay special attention to" and you only want me to apply one out of three of the possible meanings.

religion |riˈlijən|
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods: ideas about the relationship between science and religion.
• a particular system of faith and worship: the world's great religions.
• a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance: consumerism atheism is the new religion.
The fact is, you can't win. Especially when people are establishing atheist churches. You lose, objectively, metaphorically, and factually.
 
2014-01-06 02:04:28 PM  

Epicedion: Hence, everything is a religion. That makes the word useless. Congratulations, everything is everything and your contributions are meaningless correct.


FTFY

And atheism is a religion.
 
2014-01-06 02:06:20 PM  

s2s2s2: gimmegimme: Language evolves, brah.

Yeah, and thanks to the evolution of the word "religion" it can be applied to more than just those who observe rituals surrounding a deity. When I use that definition, I get complaints. When I use the root meaning of the word, I get complaints. The problem is that religion does NOT only mean "belief in a deity", but because that is a way the word has been applied, a lot of people fear being associated with it.

It started out meaning "obligation" it evolved to mean "church folks" then morphed again to mean "whatever your most favorite thing is that you pay special attention to" and you only want me to apply one out of three of the possible meanings.

religion |riˈlijən|
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods: ideas about the relationship between science and religion.
• a particular system of faith and worship: the world's great religions.
• a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance: consumerism atheism is the new religion.
The fact is, you can't win. Especially when people are establishing atheist churches. You lose, objectively, metaphorically, and factually.


You're right.  Everything is a religion.  Therefore, religion isn't special.  Religion is just another pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance, like a brony with My Little Ponies and furries with giant stuffed animals.  We agree with you; religion is just another thing.
 
2014-01-06 02:06:45 PM  

doglover: hardinparamedic: doglover: Danger Avoid Death: doglover: mamoru: what makes them assholes?

Anyone who puts a plus sign at the end of a word and calls it XXXX Plus is an enemy of learning and knowledge.

Damn. Does that mean I should turn down my invitation to join Fark+ then?

No, it just means you're an enemy of learning and knowledge.

[art.penny-arcade.com image 850x425]

The history of it is kinda interesting.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Atheism_Plus

The whole concept was proposed because many female skeptics and atheist con goers were tired of shiatbags like TAA and Thunderf00t acting like assholes and getting away with it.

So they took a stand against the English language itself.



When you complain about another's grammar or spelling like this, it's often a tacit admission that you have no better argument to offer.
 
2014-01-06 02:09:13 PM  
The amusing thing about Atheism threads is the way that the Atheists are dogmatic about having no dogma, orthodox about having no orthodoxy, and evangelical about having no evangelism.
 
2014-01-06 02:09:14 PM  

grumpfuff: Jim_Callahan: And some of the freemason lodges are going on two or three centuries old now... so, historically, the answer is also yes.

Freemasons are not, as an organization, atheist. Individual members might be, but shouldn't be. Believing in a higher power is a requirement for joining.


One can believe in a higher power without believing in a religion. That's basically what quite a few of the founding fathers were.  It's not atheism, of course, but the deist founding fathers carried a lot of the same feelings about organized religion.
 
2014-01-06 02:09:15 PM  

ciberido: doglover: hardinparamedic: doglover: Danger Avoid Death: doglover: mamoru: what makes them assholes?

Anyone who puts a plus sign at the end of a word and calls it XXXX Plus is an enemy of learning and knowledge.

Damn. Does that mean I should turn down my invitation to join Fark+ then?

No, it just means you're an enemy of learning and knowledge.

[art.penny-arcade.com image 850x425]

The history of it is kinda interesting.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Atheism_Plus

The whole concept was proposed because many female skeptics and atheist con goers were tired of shiatbags like TAA and Thunderf00t acting like assholes and getting away with it.

So they took a stand against the English language itself.


When you complain about another's grammar or spelling like this, it's often a tacit admission that you have no better argument to offer.


Look, someone had to take a stand against "fake jewelry."  That's just not OK.  I mean, it's jewelry and it's fake!

The best part of FTB and A+ is that they are so open and so willing to have a discussion with anyone...even people who disagree with them.
 
2014-01-06 02:09:35 PM  

Epicedion: s2s2s2: Yeah, if it fits the definition of religion, I feel free to apply the word.

Hence, everything is a religion. That makes the word useless. Congratulations, everything is everything and your contributions are meaningless.


I have always found it entertaining when religious people attempt to disparage something (like science or atheism) by calling it a religion. What does that say about their own actual religion?
 
2014-01-06 02:10:33 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Phil Moskowitz: Like Atheist churches weren't set up to create a false equivalency so the weirdos could beat their strawman without looking so stupid.

As nearly as I can tell, they weren't. Most Christian churches I'm familiar with are as much(or more) about getting together and hanging out with people you agree with(they call it "fellowship") as with theology. Same thing with atheist church.


If you actually sit down and listen to two or more Christians talk about why they go to church A rather than church B, or why they left church C to go to church D, it's rather enlightening.
 
2014-01-06 02:10:55 PM  

gimmegimme: Everything is a religion


No everything, just that to which we are bound or obliged. And, not "a religion" but "religion".

Seems obvious to me that if people would stop trying to dissociate themselves from a word they dislike, it could be used to great benefit.
 
2014-01-06 02:13:45 PM  

Farking Canuck: Epicedion: s2s2s2: Yeah, if it fits the definition of religion, I feel free to apply the word.

Hence, everything is a religion. That makes the word useless. Congratulations, everything is everything and your contributions are meaningless.

I have always found it entertaining when religious people attempt to disparage something (like science or atheism) by calling it a religion. What does that say about their own actual religion?


He's saying that...

www.catholicmatch.com
www.decodeunicode.org
fc09.deviantart.net
 
2014-01-06 02:15:11 PM  

doglover: Felgraf: Apparently thinking critically is only OK if you criticize religion

Basically. It's the same with the people who hate one group of people for hating a third group. Applying actual objective thinking and discovering a flaw in your side is not cool. But tearing the other guys apart? Go for it.


No.  What you are saying is literally the opposite of critical thinking.

Criticizing or scorning group B for hating members of group C does not make you "just as bad as" group B.
 
2014-01-06 02:15:26 PM  

Farking Canuck: I have always found it entertaining when religious people attempt to disparage something (like science or atheism) by calling it a religion. What does that say about their own actual religion?


Well, I'm not religious, and I'm not trying to disparage anything.
 
2014-01-06 02:15:36 PM  

gimmegimme: "Elevatorgate"  was the backlash. More specifically, it was the insistence by prominent atheist figures that the misogynist backlash the woman received for speaking out was not really misogynist, or at least not as bad as religious misogyny so she needed to get over it.

The incident in which Rebecca Watson was propositioned by a man in an elevator prompted an initial comment from her which amounted to "don't do that, it's creepy".  If it had stopped there, there would be no controversy.

Yes, yes.  You're right.  Watson and everyone in her clown car are blameless victims of those big, bad fedora-wearing men and never did anything wrong.

Can we please have a moment of silence for the perpetual victims?


uh-huh.   Whoever you are sarcastically agreeing with, it isn't me.

Between the lines of weird anti-feminist, anti-blogger(?) sentiment, the linked-to article is a very honest and well-referenced summary of what happened, so thanks for that.
 
2014-01-06 02:17:09 PM  

gimmegimme: Farking Canuck: Epicedion: s2s2s2: Yeah, if it fits the definition of religion, I feel free to apply the word.

Hence, everything is a religion. That makes the word useless. Congratulations, everything is everything and your contributions are meaningless.

I have always found it entertaining when religious people attempt to disparage something (like science or atheism) by calling it a religion. What does that say about their own actual religion?

He's saying that...

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Strong point in my favor. Thank you.
 
2014-01-06 02:18:48 PM  

wingedkat: gimmegimme: "Elevatorgate"  was the backlash. More specifically, it was the insistence by prominent atheist figures that the misogynist backlash the woman received for speaking out was not really misogynist, or at least not as bad as religious misogyny so she needed to get over it.

The incident in which Rebecca Watson was propositioned by a man in an elevator prompted an initial comment from her which amounted to "don't do that, it's creepy".  If it had stopped there, there would be no controversy.

Yes, yes.  You're right.  Watson and everyone in her clown car are blameless victims of those big, bad fedora-wearing men and never did anything wrong.

Can we please have a moment of silence for the perpetual victims?

uh-huh.   Whoever you are sarcastically agreeing with, it isn't me.

Between the lines of weird anti-feminist, anti-blogger(?) sentiment, the linked-to article is a very honest and well-referenced summary of what happened, so thanks for that.


So you're acknowledging that Watson, Myers, Benson, et. al. are to blame for at least some of the unpleasantness?
 
2014-01-06 02:21:00 PM  

s2s2s2: And atheism is a religion.


Since your contributions are meaningless, this is most assuredly bullshiat.

s2s2s2: No everything, just that to which we are bound or obliged. And, not "a religion" but "religion".

Seems obvious to me that if people would stop trying to dissociate themselves from a word they dislike, it could be used to great benefit.


The universe is religion, as literally everything is obligated to follow its rules.

Now that this is established, literally  everything is religion. The word has no distinguishing feature, and thus its use is entirely irrelevant. Typing it ever again is simply wasting space.

Now we need a word that describes how theists get together and do stuff for their gods. I know, how about "religion."
 
2014-01-06 02:21:34 PM  

s2s2s2: gimmegimme: Farking Canuck: Epicedion: s2s2s2: Yeah, if it fits the definition of religion, I feel free to apply the word.

Hence, everything is a religion. That makes the word useless. Congratulations, everything is everything and your contributions are meaningless.

I have always found it entertaining when religious people attempt to disparage something (like science or atheism) by calling it a religion. What does that say about their own actual religion?

He's saying that...

[www.catholicmatch.com image 400x300]
[www.decodeunicode.org image 196x196]
[fc09.deviantart.net image 850x477]

Strong point in my favor. Thank you.


So we agree that a virgin brony dressed up as Twilight Sparkle has as much access to a magic deity as a virgin dressed in all black with a collar as both are just engaging in a hobby they love.  We're agreeing all over the place.
 
2014-01-06 02:23:24 PM  
Farking Canuck: I have always found it entertaining when religious people attempt to disparage something (like science or atheism) by calling it a religion. What does that say about their own actual religion?

The disparagement is happening inside your own head.

The only real point to be made is that Atheism is indeed a Religion, just not a very good one.
 
2014-01-06 02:25:12 PM  

devine: Yeah, Charles Nelson Reilly, he's our man
He can't heal the sick with the touch of his hand
He can't walk on the water, can't make wine flow
Just another greedy actor on the late, late show



Lord knows you just don't mess around with CNR.
 
2014-01-06 02:26:32 PM  

Epicedion: Since your contributions are meaningless, this is most assuredly bullshiat.


Tell that to one of the many Churches of Atheism. Guess you can take it on faith, since facts are working for you.

Epicedion: The universe is religion, as literally everything is obligated to follow its rules.


This is a factually accurate statement. Welcome to objective reality.

Epicedion: Now that this is established, literally  everything is religion.


That's just stupid. I'm not obligated to stamp collecting.

Epicedion: Now we need a word that describes how theists get together and do stuff for their gods. I know, how about "religion."


There are already lots of other words for it. Did you forget them while obsessing over how you aren't religious?
 
2014-01-06 02:27:08 PM  

s2s2s2: since facts aren't working for you


ftfm
 
2014-01-06 02:28:54 PM  

s2s2s2: s2s2s2: since facts aren't working for you

ftfm


No, I'm sorry, we have to stick with the original.  Definitions don't change.
 
2014-01-06 02:29:10 PM  

Egoy3k: "Elevatorgate"  was the backlash. More specifically, it was the insistence by prominent atheist figures that the misogynist backlash the woman received for speaking out was not really misogynist, or at least not as bad as religious misogyny so she needed to get over it.

The incident in which Rebecca Watson was propositioned by a man in an elevator prompted an initial comment from her which amounted to "don't do that, it's creepy".  If it had stopped there, there would be no controversy.

Fair enough but I took issue with the 'don't do that, it's creepy' and I would have liked a civil discussion about how attitudes from both genders need to change in order to move forward.  Too bad a bunch of man children ruined it.


Indeed, the backlash really overshadowed the original issue.   I think that a calm, rational discussion of gender relations within the atheist community is still called for, although it seems to be such an emotional topic I'm not sure such a discussion can be had in a public forum... yet.   

I think people are still talking about how attitudes need to change in order for things to move forward.  I myself got so fed up with it I started ignoring the drama before this Atheist+ movement became a thing.  Based on the reactions certain posters here have to that movement, I'm open to the idea that the discussion may be going on there and plan to check it out.
 
2014-01-06 02:29:20 PM  

namatad: fusillade762: He also said he advised them to leave the dive bar "where women wore bikinis," in favor of a more family-friendly venue.

You know, now that I think about I don't like this "family friendly" idea. Just as I don't think children should be indoctrinated into religion I wouldn't want them indoctrinated into atheism. Let them grow up and make up their own minds.

all religion is brainwashing
atheism is not a religion

rational thought is not a religion, nor brain washing


Yeah, you don't sound like a fundie at  all...

/all religion is brainwashing
christianity is not a religion

rational thought is not a religion, nor brainwashing

//See?
///Seriously, you even got the 'poetic' spacing and lack of caps right. Does your group have people who will encourage those kids to choose their path? Yes? Then it's probably not kid-friendly, even if it's not-religion.
 
2014-01-06 02:30:29 PM  

gimmegimme: So we agree that a virgin brony dressed up as Twilight Sparkle has as much access to a magic deity as a virgin dressed in all black with a collar as both are just engaging in a hobby they love.


Nope, but we are saying they both have as much proof. They still both have religion, and they both might lose it, someday.
 
2014-01-06 02:31:40 PM  

AdamK: Ghastly: Trilbies vs Fedoras?

bronies vs. goths


whynotboth.jpg

Gronies?  Broths?
 
2014-01-06 02:34:45 PM  

s2s2s2: namatad: atheism is not a religion

Because the meanings of words change, yes, it is. It's deity is the importance of ridding society of the notion of deities. Atheists gather, organize, and proselytize.


Atheist is a life stance.  It is not a religion.
 
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