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2014-01-06 11:45:38 AM  
isn't that just darling?  the hipsters want to play church just like the gays want to play house.
 
2014-01-06 11:49:34 AM  

colon_pow: isn't that just darling?  the hipsters want to play church just like the gays want to play house.


religionpoisons.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-06 11:51:16 AM  

gimmegimme: He did what he believed a deity told him.


So you were told. Do you really believe it?

gimmegimme: How, pray tell, is science exploring a world that exists outside of science


So you think we live in "science"? Because that's not what I said. If you don't know what I'm talking about, then you shouldn't be appealing to science in such a manner, because it's exactly like an appeal to a deity.

omeganuepsilon: quantum mechanics


Yes. The multiverse, and stuff like that. The idea that there are universes we aren't in.
 
2014-01-06 11:57:43 AM  

dfenstrate: On the other hand, the judeo-christian tradition has a few thousand years of history, and gave birth to the enlightenment, which gave non-believers footing to criticize religion to begin with.


Just....LOL

No.  It killed and punished free thinkers just a tiny bit less diligently each century, and finally had a blowout near the end where they finally decided that was bad form.

In other words, your "few thousand years of history" were mostly death and destruction.  As far as enlightenment goes, it didn't give birth, it only somewhat stopped trying to avoid enlightenment, stopped trying to crush it outright.  Still does though today in some forms and locations.
 
2014-01-06 11:57:48 AM  

s2s2s2: gimmegimme: He did what he believed a deity told him.

So you were told. Do you really believe it?

gimmegimme: How, pray tell, is science exploring a world that exists outside of science

So you think we live in "science"? Because that's not what I said. If you don't know what I'm talking about, then you shouldn't be appealing to science in such a manner, because it's exactly like an appeal to a deity.

omeganuepsilon: quantum mechanics

Yes. The multiverse, and stuff like that. The idea that there are universes we aren't in.


I love that you think there's no difference between quantum physicists conducting experiments and collaborating to develop, define or disprove the idea of the multiverse and...

www.danjarrard.com
 
2014-01-06 11:58:09 AM  

gimmegimme: colon_pow: isn't that just darling?  the hipsters want to play church just like the gays want to play house.

[religionpoisons.files.wordpress.com image 450x266]


Nothing better to dissuade the religious than quotes from fictional figures.
 
2014-01-06 11:58:56 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Pfft. I was booted from a Presbyterian church in 4th grade because I was asking the wrong questions -- like questioning the Noah's ark fable.They told me I was too disruptive to the rest of the class.


Amateur.  I came out of the womb excommunicated because I already had the universe figured out.
 
2014-01-06 12:00:30 PM  

fusillade762: You know, now that I think about I don't like this "family friendly" idea. Just as I don't think children should be indoctrinated into religion I wouldn't want them indoctrinated into atheism. Let them grow up and make up their own minds.


You can't raise kids without indoctrinating them. Even if you let them make up their own minds about whether they think Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and Baby Jesus are real, you still have to teach them how to about deciding if something is real.
 
2014-01-06 12:00:45 PM  

gimmegimme: I love that you think there's no difference between quantum physicists conducting experiments and collaborating to develop, define or disprove the idea of the multiverse and...


I love that you think that's what I think. "There is no try, only do or do not."

You are not doing.
 
2014-01-06 12:02:50 PM  
Why do so many people think that the inability of the scientific method to prove something, one way or another, provides a strong argument on that thing?
 
2014-01-06 12:04:14 PM  

s2s2s2: gimmegimme: colon_pow: isn't that just darling?  the hipsters want to play church just like the gays want to play house.

[religionpoisons.files.wordpress.com image 450x266]

Nothing better to dissuade the religious than quotes from fictional figures.


www.atheistmemebase.com
 
2014-01-06 12:04:25 PM  

s2s2s2: gimmegimme: colon_pow: isn't that just darling?  the hipsters want to play church just like the gays want to play house.

[religionpoisons.files.wordpress.com image 450x266]

Nothing better to dissuade the religious than quotes from fictional figures.


Hugh Laurie is a fictional figure?
The writers for the show were fictional?

The person pictured did indeed say those words, it's an event that happened and we recorded it.  It runs in syndication still on television.

What's in a name?
 
2014-01-06 12:05:57 PM  

gimmegimme: s2s2s2: gimmegimme: colon_pow: isn't that just darling?  the hipsters want to play church just like the gays want to play house.

[religionpoisons.files.wordpress.com image 450x266]

Nothing better to dissuade the religious than quotes from fictional figures.

[www.atheistmemebase.com image 545x380]


Do you think that's a counterpoint?
 
2014-01-06 12:07:00 PM  

omeganuepsilon: Hugh Laurie is a fictional figure?
The writers for the show were fictional?


The quote is attributed to neither. Lighten up.
 
2014-01-06 12:08:26 PM  

s2s2s2: Egoy3k: They simply believe more unfounded nonsense than a less literal theist, but at the end of the day both mainstream theists and young earth creationists both believe in magic.

Is the science settled on whether or not something can live outside of our known reality, aka, The Supernatural?


So it is your position that young earth creationists are morons but other theists are not.  I have to ask, what is your reasoning for that? Neither position is justified by our current understanding of the universe.
 
2014-01-06 12:08:54 PM  

dfenstrate: On the other hand, the judeo-christian tradition has a few thousand years of history, and gave birth to the enlightenment, which gave non-believers footing to criticize religion to begin with.


That's a pretty stupid historical analysis.

Religion brought us the Dark Ages, between the Light of Rome and the Enlightenment. It crushed history, science, and the arts for hundreds of years.

You're saying that since the church put us all in prison and starved us that it's responsible for us breaking out of prison to find food. Therefore, the church fed us.
 
2014-01-06 12:10:32 PM  

s2s2s2: gimmegimme: s2s2s2: gimmegimme: colon_pow: isn't that just darling?  the hipsters want to play church just like the gays want to play house.

[religionpoisons.files.wordpress.com image 450x266]

Nothing better to dissuade the religious than quotes from fictional figures.

[www.atheistmemebase.com image 545x380]

Do you think that's a counterpoint?


Geez...I guess you're right.  Religious people really don't like quotes from fictional figures.
 
2014-01-06 12:10:35 PM  

namatad: rule one of atheism: no vegans

no really
that was the first rule
well it is the first rule in my church of atheism


our three sacraments are:
sex
drugs
gambling
and meat

of four sacraments


I didn't expect a sort of Atheist Inquisition.
 
2014-01-06 12:21:56 PM  

mamoru: log_jammin: they're still better than those atheism+ people.

now THOSE people are assholes.

How so? And, I really do mean that as an honest question. I'm just an (apathetic agnostic) atheist, so don't really know much about all of these "official" factions and movements and such. What are the atheism+ people and what makes them assholes?


I'm only going by what I've read on the Internet, so take this with a grain of salt, but my understanding is that Atheism+ is (or at least is supposed to be) Atheism plus progressive/leftist social causes, particularly feminism and gay rights.  It was formed in the aftermath of Elevatorgate because there was a sense that too many vocal atheists were misogynistic, racist, or homophobic and that the "face" or "voice" of modern atheism was too white/male/heterosexual.

Not surprisingly, those atheists who weren't big fans of feminism to begin with don't much care for "Atheism+."

Again, this is just what I've read, so I would welcome input from anyone who has more direct knowledge.
 
2014-01-06 12:23:01 PM  

log_jammin: mamoru: How so? And, I really do mean that as an honest question. I'm just an (apathetic agnostic) atheist, so don't really know much about all of these "official" factions and movements and such. What are the atheism+ people and what makes them assholes?

long story short, you're either with them or you're a misogynist.


As opposed to say, the New Atheists, where you're either with them or you're a drooling moron.
 
2014-01-06 12:24:27 PM  

CoonAce: gameshowhost: hardinparamedic: simplicimus: hardinparamedic: simplicimus: gameshowhost: Welcome to my Not Collecting Stamps club!  We don't collect stamps here, so let's get together and talk about not collecting stamps.

I don't have a collection of commemorative stamps from the 70's to the present day.

That's a shame. I hear that NASA had some really nice stamps in the 1970s.

That was a funny read. "Additional verification needed". Like there's a USPS center on the moon to cancel the stamps.

If you want a series of good laughs, read up on the Apollo, Gemini and Mercury programs. Those guys got away with a LOT in those days.

: /

Guys, please stay on topic.

While drinking at a strip club with some Navy pilots wearing their flightsuits, (the strippers were swarming us) one of the boys pulled a penny from his pocket.  These girls were D-U-M-B dumb, and believed every word of BS about these dudes in clearly-marked Navy flightsuits being astronauts who brought the penny back from the Moon.  While not a stamp, that routine (complete with, "NO you can't give her the *MOON* penny, are you crazy???" and "but she's SPECIAL, I want her to have it!") got them perhaps more tang than real astronauts.  Quite the vaudeville act.


Threadjack, but I have to wonder how these guys would feel about someone who never served wearing a uniform to score with the girls...
 
2014-01-06 12:25:59 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: I also wonder if Obamacare would pay to send me to a Sane Asylum.


I can get you some Primus tickets.  Is that close enough?
 
2014-01-06 12:26:50 PM  

ciberido: mamoru: log_jammin: they're still better than those atheism+ people.

now THOSE people are assholes.

How so? And, I really do mean that as an honest question. I'm just an (apathetic agnostic) atheist, so don't really know much about all of these "official" factions and movements and such. What are the atheism+ people and what makes them assholes?

I'm only going by what I've read on the Internet, so take this with a grain of salt, but my understanding is that Atheism+ is (or at least is supposed to be) Atheism plus progressive/leftist social causes, particularly feminism and gay rights.  It was formed in the aftermath of Elevatorgate because there was a sense that too many vocal atheists were misogynistic, racist, or homophobic and that the "face" or "voice" of modern atheism was too white/male/heterosexual.

Not surprisingly, those atheists who weren't big fans of feminism to begin with don't much care for "Atheism+."

Again, this is just what I've read, so I would welcome input from anyone who has more direct knowledge.


Yeah Atheism+ people are crazy.  Luckily, the organization is collapsing under the weight of its insanity.  This video from Thunderf00t is a pretty good start for understanding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95LG9crl3yo

Basically: there's a schism in the movement because some people want the atheism/secular/critical thinking movement to be about atheism and secularism and critical thinking and other people want the ASC movement to be about preventing sexist toy stores from labeling some toys by gender.
 
2014-01-06 12:27:17 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: dfenstrate: On the other hand, the judeo-christian tradition has a few thousand years of history, and gave birth to the enlightenment, which gave non-believers footing to criticize religion to begin with.

That's a pretty stupid historical analysis.

Religion brought us the Dark Ages, between the Light of Rome and the Enlightenment. It crushed history, science, and the arts for hundreds of years.


No it didn't.
 
2014-01-06 12:27:49 PM  

ciberido: It was formed in the aftermath of Elevatorgate because there was a sense that too many vocal atheists were misogynistic, racist, or homophobic and that the "face" or "voice" of modern atheism was too white/male/heterosexual.

Not surprisingly, those atheists who weren't big fans of feminism to begin with don't much care for "Atheism+."


I'm a fan of feminism and I think that 'elevatorgate' is the stupidest thing ever. As such I'm not a huge fan of Atheism+ but that doesn't mean I hate women.

/The misogynist backlash for 'elevatorgate' was shameful but that doesn't mean that  the actual incident wasn't stupid and pretty harmless.
 
2014-01-06 12:28:12 PM  

Egoy3k: So it is your position that young earth creationists are morons but other theists are not.


Every ism has morons. Plenty of moronic atheists in this thread, alone. I'm glad you included this important qualifier:

Egoy3k: our current understanding of the universe.


...because it's going to change, dramatically, and people who don't keep up are going to have some moronic ideas about the universe that they got from "believing in" science.

If you can't do the work of science to reach scientific conclusions, you still only have belief. And if science will ultimately upend old conclusions for new ones, all the old ones were belief, too; no matter how much math was involved.

gimmegimme: s2s2s2: gimmegimme: s2s2s2: gimmegimme: colon_pow: isn't that just darling?  the hipsters want to play church just like the gays want to play house.

[religionpoisons.files.wordpress.com image 450x266]

Nothing better to dissuade the religious than quotes from fictional figures.

[www.atheistmemebase.com image 545x380]

Do you think that's a counterpoint?

Geez...I guess you're right.  Religious people really don't like quotes from fictional figures.


Please look up the word I bolded.
 
2014-01-06 12:29:40 PM  

ciberido: log_jammin: mamoru: How so? And, I really do mean that as an honest question. I'm just an (apathetic agnostic) atheist, so don't really know much about all of these "official" factions and movements and such. What are the atheism+ people and what makes them assholes?

long story short, you're either with them or you're a misogynist.

As opposed to say, the New Atheists, where you're either with them or you're a drooling moron.


How else would you describe people who believe everything in the Bible really happened?
 
2014-01-06 12:32:44 PM  

s2s2s2: Egoy3k: So it is your position that young earth creationists are morons but other theists are not.

Every ism has morons. Plenty of moronic atheists in this thread, alone. I'm glad you included this important qualifier:

Egoy3k: our current understanding of the universe.

...because it's going to change, dramatically, and people who don't keep up are going to have some moronic ideas about the universe that they got from "believing in" science.

If you can't do the work of science to reach scientific conclusions, you still only have belief. And if science will ultimately upend old conclusions for new ones, all the old ones were belief, too; no matter how much math was involved.

gimmegimme: s2s2s2: gimmegimme: s2s2s2: gimmegimme: colon_pow: isn't that just darling?  the hipsters want to play church just like the gays want to play house.

[religionpoisons.files.wordpress.com image 450x266]

Nothing better to dissuade the religious than quotes from fictional figures.

[www.atheistmemebase.com image 545x380]

Do you think that's a counterpoint?

Geez...I guess you're right.  Religious people really don't like quotes from fictional figures.

Please look up the word I bolded.


You're not making sense.  Are you denouncing the word of the Lord?  The Judeo-Christian God told people to sell their raped daughters to the rapists.  Did the Bible report this rule incorrectly?
 
2014-01-06 12:35:08 PM  

s2s2s2: Egoy3k: So it is your position that young earth creationists are morons but other theists are not.

Every ism has morons. Plenty of moronic atheists in this thread, alone. I'm glad you included this important qualifier:

Egoy3k: our current understanding of the universe.

...because it's going to change, dramatically, and people who don't keep up are going to have some moronic ideas about the universe that they got from "believing in" science.

If you can't do the work of science to reach scientific conclusions, you still only have belief. And if science will ultimately upend old conclusions for new ones, all the old ones were belief, too; no matter how much math was involved.


I can do the work, and so can you. That is the beauty of science, it's an explanatory framework that hinges on, among other things, our ability to reproduce results.
 
2014-01-06 12:38:59 PM  

Egoy3k: s2s2s2: Egoy3k: So it is your position that young earth creationists are morons but other theists are not.

Every ism has morons. Plenty of moronic atheists in this thread, alone. I'm glad you included this important qualifier:

Egoy3k: our current understanding of the universe.

...because it's going to change, dramatically, and people who don't keep up are going to have some moronic ideas about the universe that they got from "believing in" science.

If you can't do the work of science to reach scientific conclusions, you still only have belief. And if science will ultimately upend old conclusions for new ones, all the old ones were belief, too; no matter how much math was involved.

I can do the work, and so can you. That is the beauty of science, it's an explanatory framework that hinges on, among other things, our ability to reproduce results.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-06 12:38:59 PM  

gimmegimme: You're not making sense.


Your inability to understand sense made is not the same as my not making sense.

Egoy3k: I can do the work, and so can you. That is the beauty of science, it's an explanatory framework that hinges on, among other things, our ability to reproduce results.


If you put a research paper in front of me, right now...no. I couldn't. People have the potential to learn it. Not everyone has the ability to learn it. I believe science has been done that has reached the same conclusions.
 
2014-01-06 12:41:10 PM  
"Official", subby? I guess it was endorsed by the Pope of Atheism or something.
 
2014-01-06 12:41:24 PM  

s2s2s2: gimmegimme: You're not making sense.

Your inability to understand sense made is not the same as my not making sense.

Egoy3k: I can do the work, and so can you. That is the beauty of science, it's an explanatory framework that hinges on, among other things, our ability to reproduce results.

If you put a research paper in front of me, right now...no. I couldn't. People have the potential to learn it. Not everyone has the ability to learn it. I believe science has been done that has reached the same conclusions.


You seem to be saying there are peer-reviewed, scientific papers that prove the existence of a deity.  How was this kept a secret for so long?  Can you provide a link?  Which deity was it?  Zeus?  That snake god that Alan Moore believes in?  Wait...don't tell me.  I want it to be a surprise.
 
2014-01-06 12:41:41 PM  

memebot_of_doom: namatad: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Atheism_Plus


Take a look at the talk page.

so they are nice people
without god


Some are.  Some are complete assholes.


Interesting.  And I see they've invoked "the 7th law" again (the claim that Buddhism is special and shouldn't be lumped in with other religions) with their Venn diagram.
 
2014-01-06 12:42:29 PM  

gimmegimme: You seem to be saying there are peer-reviewed, scientific papers that prove the existence of a deity.


s2s2s2: Your inability to understand sense made is not the same as my not making sense.

 
2014-01-06 12:47:10 PM  

s2s2s2: gimmegimme: You seem to be saying there are peer-reviewed, scientific papers that prove the existence of a deity.

s2s2s2: Your inability to understand sense made is not the same as my not making sense.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-01-06 12:48:14 PM  

gimmegimme: s2s2s2: gimmegimme: You seem to be saying there are peer-reviewed, scientific papers that prove the existence of a deity.

s2s2s2: Your inability to understand sense made is not the same as my not making sense.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x300]


This is your best response, so far.
 
2014-01-06 12:49:35 PM  

s2s2s2: Egoy3k: I can do the work, and so can you. That is the beauty of science, it's an explanatory framework that hinges on, among other things, our ability to reproduce results.

If you put a research paper in front of me, right now...no. I couldn't. People have the potential to learn it. Not everyone has the ability to learn it. I believe science has been done that has reached the same conclusions.


So basically, some people don't understand science therefore it's only a belief system and no better than religion?  That has got to be the weakest argument I have ever read.  I mean that is right up there with pascals wager, the watchmaker, and the perfect entity argument in terms of sheer stupidity.
 
2014-01-06 12:55:57 PM  

Egoy3k: So basically, some people don't understand science therefore it's only a belief system and no better than religion?


Show me where I said science is a belief system.

Egoy3k: That has got to be the weakest argument I have ever read.


That's why you made it up.
 
2014-01-06 12:59:17 PM  

s2s2s2: Show me where I said science is a belief system.


OK

s2s2s2: If you can't do the work of science to reach scientific conclusions, you still only have belief. And if science will ultimately upend old conclusions for new ones, all the old ones were belief, too; no matter how much math was involved.

 
2014-01-06 01:00:02 PM  

Ghastly: Trilbies vs Fedoras?


I was thinking about your post, while watching Downton, last night.

"post" rawr.
 
2014-01-06 01:00:40 PM  

s2s2s2: Epicedion: You're equivocating the literal and metaphorical meanings of the word "deity" here. When you say the more common "his god is money" you don't literally mean that the person worships money as a literal god. What you mean is that the person holds money in as high regard as someone would a god.

Addressing your other points, the Sierra Club gathers, organizes, and proselytizes. So does your local union. Or HOA. None of these are religions.

I know I am equivocating, because the only real difference is in interpretation. If I believe that a relationship with god is of utmost importance, and there is no god, it's not actually different than believing I can save the world from catastrophic climate change.

Religion is practice. Religion is not belief. I believe in some sort of higher intelligence to the universe(kinda like what Einstein said), but I am not at all religious.


The practice of religion is tied to the beliefs of the members. If there doesn't have to be a god in the religion, then there's really nothing separating the meanings of "religion" and "club."

The same sense applies when you use the word "cult" instead of "religion" -- if you call both the Suicide Pact of the Holy Comet and Christianity "cults" you're really watering down what it means to be a "cult."

But this is all largely pedantic. If religion's only response to atheist get-togethers is to say "but but but that makes you a church and so atheism is just a religion too!" it doesn't speak highly of what the religious think of religion, as if it's some standard to be lowered to.
 
2014-01-06 01:01:08 PM  

Egoy3k: s2s2s2: Show me where I said science is a belief system.

OK

s2s2s2: If you can't do the work of science to reach scientific conclusions, you still only have belief. And if science will ultimately upend old conclusions for new ones, all the old ones were belief, too; no matter how much math was involved.


Read that until you actually understand you haven't shown me saying science is a belief system. Perhaps ask an English major to help you out.
 
2014-01-06 01:02:36 PM  

gimmegimme: dfenstrate: RedTank: Perhaps you shouldn't base your opinions on Atheists from a small samples size of anonymity from the Internet. I've met plenty of smug self-satisfied people in my life and if I hated them for it I would undoubtedly hate everyone by now and I'd be living in a cave.

I don't base my opinion of Atheists on Internet commenters. I was calling out obnoxious behavior by some atheists, behavior I've seen in this thread in particular.

I can understand atheism as a lack of belief in a higher power. I'm sympathetic to it, actually.

I just don't see that Atheists (as some sort of guiding philosophy or movement) have any real ground to criticize what  constructive religions have done for humanity, and they have precious little ground to say they can do better.

The Holocaust?  The Crusades?  Slavery?  Subjugation of women? Of homosexuals?  The development of incredibly creative torture implements?  I'm not sure those gifts of religion are very constructive.

Here's something science did for us:

[blog.zap2it.com image 310x248]

Amazing, innit?


Hold up for a second, I could go either way on this one. While I do love intelligent, ambitious women, the ability to snap your fingers and have a lovely gal bring you a sandwich and a Bj is pretty sweet. My really bright and really cool girlfriend also likes the way our subjugated house-wench cleans the place and also enjoys a sandwich and "more" as well.
 
2014-01-06 01:04:35 PM  

s2s2s2: omeganuepsilon: Hugh Laurie is a fictional figure?
The writers for the show were fictional?

The quote is attributed to neither. Lighten up.


So that wasn't a picture of Hugh Laurie?

The phrase was not spoken by a fictional anything, they were said by a living being, a being still alive today, and it was recorded on film.  Who cares if he meant it or if he came up with the line?
 
2014-01-06 01:05:12 PM  

Epicedion: But this is all largely pedantic. If religion's only response to atheist get-togethers is to say "but but but that makes you a church and so atheism is just a religion too!" it doesn't speak highly of what the religious think of religion, as if it's some standard to be lowered to.


Well, I don't think highly of religion at all. But this article isn't about atheist get togethers, it's about atheist churches.

From the article: The world's most voguish - though not its only - atheist church opened last year in London, to global attention and abundant acclaim.
I'm sorry there are religious atheists, but the fact you don't like it, doesn't make it less true.
 
2014-01-06 01:06:48 PM  

Epicedion: s2s2s2: Epicedion: You're equivocating the literal and metaphorical meanings of the word "deity" here. When you say the more common "his god is money" you don't literally mean that the person worships money as a literal god. What you mean is that the person holds money in as high regard as someone would a god.

Addressing your other points, the Sierra Club gathers, organizes, and proselytizes. So does your local union. Or HOA. None of these are religions.

I know I am equivocating, because the only real difference is in interpretation. If I believe that a relationship with god is of utmost importance, and there is no god, it's not actually different than believing I can save the world from catastrophic climate change.

Religion is practice. Religion is not belief. I believe in some sort of higher intelligence to the universe(kinda like what Einstein said), but I am not at all religious.

The practice of religion is tied to the beliefs of the members. If there doesn't have to be a god in the religion, then there's really nothing separating the meanings of "religion" and "club."

The same sense applies when you use the word "cult" instead of "religion" -- if you call both the Suicide Pact of the Holy Comet and Christianity "cults" you're really watering down what it means to be a "cult."

But this is all largely pedantic. If religion's only response to atheist get-togethers is to say "but but but that makes you a church and so atheism is just a religion too!" it doesn't speak highly of what the religious think of religion, as if it's some standard to be lowered to.


He unwittingly diminished religion earlier, too, when he acknowledged that the bible is as fictional as House.
 
2014-01-06 01:07:12 PM  

omeganuepsilon: The phrase was not spoken by a fictional anything, they were said by a living being, a being still alive today, and it was recorded on film.  Who cares if he meant it or if he came up with the line?


Maybe you shouldn't suspend your sense of humor for these threads. Are you really going to ask me to explain it to you? It's not gonna help your smart-guy cred.
 
2014-01-06 01:07:25 PM  

gimmegimme: You're not making sense.  Are you denouncing the word of the Lord?  The Judeo-Christian God told people to sell their raped daughters to the rapists.  Did the Bible report this rule incorrectly?


no.  you are interpreting it incorrectly.  study it out.
 
2014-01-06 01:09:10 PM  
s2s2s2:
Read that until you actually understand you haven't shown me saying science is a belief system. Perhaps ask an English major to help you out.

You've constructed it so that the belief that science holds reasonable or good answers to questions is the same as unfounded belief. The belief that science holds reasonable or good answers to questions is based on precedent, and held with the knowledge that future evidence could lead to different, probably better answers.

But, of course, there are no guarantees. Just a pretty good track record.

So, again, you're equivocating. There is such a thing as rational belief, and so the belief that science is worth paying heed to is justified by science's record. This is not in the same ballpark as the belief-without-evidence (or "faith") of the religious.
 
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