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2014-01-06 08:41:58 AM
Oi. Why did anybody think this would be a good idea?

My folks once joined something of an atheist club and they ended up splitting over politics (liberal vs. libertarian) and internal politics (which man got to talk the most). Knowing the kind of BS that goes on in Christian churches, I imagine it being ten times worse with atheists.
 
2014-01-06 08:42:00 AM
Up on the hilltop where the vultures perch
That's where I'm gonna build my church
Ain't gonna be no priest, ain't gonna be no boss
Just Charles Nelson Reilly nailed to a cross
I don't piss, I don't shiat, I'm gettin' no relief
People shake their heads in disbelief, go
Just me on a hilltop with 15 girls
In a Nelson Reilly orgy that'll make your hair curl
I don't piss, I don't shiat, I'm gettin' no relief
People shake their heads in disbelief
Yeah, Charles Nelson Reilly, he's our man
He can't heal the sick with the touch of his hand
He can't walk on the water, can't make wine flow
Just another greedy actor on the late, late show
I don't piss, I don't shiat, I'm gettin' no relief
People shake their heads in disbelief, go
Just me on a hilltop with 15 girls
In a Nelson Reilly orgy that'll make your hair curl
I don't piss, I don't shiat, I'm gettin' no relief
People shake their heads in disbelief
 
2014-01-06 08:42:12 AM

nulluspixiusdemonica: jaybeezey: and nothing that man doesn't know.

...about that.... 

No.

What they should be taught is that inserting "magic" in place of "I don't know" is wrong. Hurting people because they refuse to accept your demented interpretation of magic is evil.


You are wrong!

NO GOD WILLS IT!
 
2014-01-06 08:43:31 AM
Saying that atheism is a religion is an insult to religions.
 
2014-01-06 08:48:50 AM

Felgraf: And I dislike it when it shows up because, again, it's the same kind of thinking that *allows religious people to do horrible things.* Not on the same scale, but it's still "Us vs Them, and They're bad, and we're not" style thinking, and that goes dangerous, dangerous places.


This I won't argue with.
 
2014-01-06 08:49:53 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Saying that atheism is a religion is an insult to religions.


Deep.

Assuming from context you're a Satanist?
 
2014-01-06 08:56:09 AM

Schmegicky: There has always been a human need for ritual of some sort.
I suspect that it's been both profound ignorance and the need for such ritual that has kept religion going for as long as it has.

I have yet to see a group, humanist, atheist or anything in between that instead of just providing communal entertainment proposed to talk about current social and ethical issues.  Professional organizations have these sorts of courses built right in to their professional licensing requirements under the term "professional ethics".

It would be brilliant accomplishment for any organization to gather people under the same roof to discuss ethical and social issues.  It would be even better if they could invite proponents of different sides of the issue to speak on these issues.  For example, next Sunday, the theme could be "Does absolute power corrupt?"  Jamie Dimon and Bill Gates would speak.

Until such an organization forms, I'll just stay home and watch documentaries.



You're in luck;  Ethical Culture's been around for over 140 years.
 
2014-01-06 08:58:47 AM
I love how big a deal it is when a tiny percentage of atheists decide to organize a church-like meeting.

They can do what they want ... they do not represent all atheists. We are not an organization. We do not have any rules, guidelines, leaders, etc.

It is likely made up of people who likely miss the meeting/social part of religion but don't miss the fairy-tales. Who cares?
 
2014-01-06 09:00:37 AM

This About That: Oh God.


Or "god", if you prefer.

Fish needing bicycle problem, if you ask me. I can take stupid or I can take godless, but both?
 
2014-01-06 09:01:07 AM

fusillade762: He also said he advised them to leave the dive bar "where women wore bikinis," in favor of a more family-friendly venue.

You know, now that I think about I don't like this "family friendly" idea. Just as I don't think children should be indoctrinated into religion I wouldn't want them indoctrinated into atheism. Let them grow up and make up their own minds.


Everybody is born an atheist.
 
2014-01-06 09:01:22 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Saying that atheism is a religion is an insult to religions.


Not to mention male pattern baldness and stamp collecting.
 
2014-01-06 09:02:28 AM
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2014-01-06 09:03:27 AM

Farking Canuck: I love how big a deal it is when a tiny percentage of atheists decide to organize a church-like meeting.

They can do what they want ... they do not represent all atheists. We are not an organization. We do not have any rules, guidelines, leaders, etc.

It is likely made up of people who likely miss the meeting/social part of religion but don't miss the fairy-tales. Who cares?


Religious people seem to care a lot about these freaks.
I sure as shiat don't - they have nothing to do with me.
 
2014-01-06 09:04:36 AM

IronTom: If they believe in nothing, how can there be a schism?

Did they divide by zero?

NEVER DIVIDE BY ZERO1


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2014-01-06 09:05:29 AM

GilRuiz1: Schmegicky: Until such an organization forms, I'll just stay home and watch documentaries.

You're in luck;  Ethical Culture's been around for over 140 years.


I'd almost forgotten about them... I had a friend who belonged to the Washington Ethical Society when I was attending Georgetown. She invited me to a couple meetings... interesting perspectives on the issues of the day. I'd recommend visiting them to anybody.
 
2014-01-06 09:06:43 AM

Farking Canuck: I love how big a deal it is when a tiny percentage of atheists decide to organize a church-like meeting.

They can do what they want ... they do not represent all atheists. We are not an organization. We do not have any rules, guidelines, leaders, etc.

It is likely made up of people who likely miss the meeting/social part of religion but don't miss the fairy-tales. Who cares?


Religious people care because it fits the letrole narrative of "atheism is a religion!"

Which is the theological equivalent of the "both sides are bad" philosophy. If atheism is just another religion, then you can ignore it just like you would any other religion besides your own, because then it's all subjective.
 
2014-01-06 09:09:41 AM

miscreant: Farking Canuck: I love how big a deal it is when a tiny percentage of atheists decide to organize a church-like meeting.

They can do what they want ... they do not represent all atheists. We are not an organization. We do not have any rules, guidelines, leaders, etc.

It is likely made up of people who likely miss the meeting/social part of religion but don't miss the fairy-tales. Who cares?

Religious people care because it fits the letrole narrative of "atheism is a religion!"

Which is the theological equivalent of the "both sides are bad" philosophy. If atheism is just another religion, then you can ignore it just like you would any other religion besides your own, because then it's all subjective.


I'd be happier to be ignored by the people in question.
 
2014-01-06 09:11:10 AM
Eh, I've been an atheist for about 40 years (was raised a Catholic.)  Religious or not, people generally want to do some sort of good on a philosophical level.  My moral code is quite flexible and adaptive, barely qualifying for the word code.  It's largely based on some of the commandments/Socrates greatest good/know thyself/know your audience.

That said, I HATE people who preach at me or lecture me.  Any discussion worth having has to be a two way exchange of ideas.  I have no great desire to influence or change anyone's way of thinking.  But, there are certainly people out there who want everyone to think and act exactly like themselves.  These people often seem to lead congregations, and they're always pushy enough and inflexible of thought enough to scare me.

TLDR version: Righteous people suck, no matter the religion/atheist/political slant they're pushing.
 
2014-01-06 09:21:13 AM
The guy who started this should just go to his local UU church.  Unitarianism Universalism has no prescribed supernatural beliefs and contains some huge percentage of Atheists.

"Our mother or father, who may or may not be in heaven..."
 
2014-01-06 09:25:01 AM

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Came for this, leaving satisfied.
 
2014-01-06 09:28:31 AM

Egalitarian: Oi. Why did anybody think this would be a good idea?

My folks once joined something of an atheist club and they ended up splitting over politics (liberal vs. libertarian) and internal politics (which man got to talk the most). Knowing the kind of BS that goes on in Christian churches, I imagine it being ten times worse with atheists.


Including the sexual abuse and coverups?
 
2014-01-06 09:31:29 AM

Confabulat: I'm an atheist and these people are all assholes.

I don't need to join a damn club to be an atheist. Are you just lonely?

What awful human beings.



I think you could join the club if you wanted to "spread the word".  The awful human beings are the religious leaders perpetuating religious dogma.
 
2014-01-06 09:32:46 AM

OhioKnight: The guy who started this should just go to his local UU church.  Unitarianism Universalism has no prescribed supernatural beliefs and contains some huge percentage of Atheists.

"Our mother or father, who may or may not be in heaven..."


Only if he answers his own phone.
 
2014-01-06 09:35:11 AM

OhioKnight: The guy who started this should just go to his local UU church.  Unitarianism Universalism has no prescribed supernatural beliefs and contains some huge percentage of Atheists.

"Our mother or father, who may or may not be in heaven..."


How do you know you've pissed off some Unitarians?

You find a question mark burning on your lawn.
 
2014-01-06 09:36:48 AM

fusillade762: gameshowhost: Welcome to my Not Collecting Stamps club!  We don't collect stamps here, so let's get together and talk about not collecting stamps.

I'm bald. Are you bald? Let's get together and talk about hair color.


Do you like your sandwiches with three pieces of bread?
 
2014-01-06 09:38:37 AM

Prophet of Loss: In before "Atheism is not a religion".

/quacks like a duck


Does mean they are also going to start going door to door?

Do we have to limit their connections with government? No use of government facilities, funds or atheists prayers at school to keep atheist church and state separate.

I wonder what they will choose as their symbol. When groups like this get organized they normally get a logo or symbol.
 
2014-01-06 09:38:53 AM
When humans collaborate and congregate for anything at all that revolves around perpetuating a message then it always goes to shiat when the survival of said congregation relies solely upon the spreading of said message.
 
2014-01-06 09:44:08 AM
Yup they are a religion:

Instead of receiving self-improvement nudges or engaging in conversation with strangers, I watched the founders fret (a lot) over technical glitches with the web streaming, talk about how hard they had worked to pull the service off, and try to sell me $unday A$$embly $wag.


"Actually," he admitted, "we do have expan$ion aim$."
 
2014-01-06 09:49:35 AM

RedTank: When humans collaborate and congregate for anything at all that revolves around perpetuating a message then it always goes to shiat when the survival of said congregation relies solely upon the spreading of said message.


This athiest 'Church' has a bigger problem then normal, because they recognize nothing higher than their own limited intellects and egos; hence nothing they can defer to.

A lack of faith is one thing, a smug self-satisfied lecturing atheist is just a bit too precious about his own perfect rationality; as if s/he has risen above such a common and often helpful part of the human experience.
 
2014-01-06 09:51:26 AM

Ghastly: Trilbies vs Fedoras?


bronies vs. goths
 
2014-01-06 09:53:08 AM
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"Oh, this should be good."
 
2014-01-06 09:54:57 AM

jso2897: Farking Canuck: I love how big a deal it is when a tiny percentage of atheists decide to organize a church-like meeting.

They can do what they want ... they do not represent all atheists. We are not an organization. We do not have any rules, guidelines, leaders, etc.

It is likely made up of people who likely miss the meeting/social part of religion but don't miss the fairy-tales. Who cares?

Religious people seem to care a lot about these freaks.
I sure as shiat don't - they have nothing to do with me.


I'm sure a lot of Christians say the same thing about Pat Robertson or WBC.

The difference is, that our current political leaders actually heed Pat Robertson's advice.
 
2014-01-06 09:56:19 AM
Probably fighting over which god to not believe in.
 
2014-01-06 10:04:55 AM

dfenstrate: RedTank: When humans collaborate and congregate for anything at all that revolves around perpetuating a message then it always goes to shiat when the survival of said congregation relies solely upon the spreading of said message.

This athiest 'Church' has a bigger problem then normal, because they recognize nothing higher than their own limited intellects and egos; hence nothing they can defer to.

A lack of faith is one thing, a smug self-satisfied lecturing atheist is just a bit too precious about his own perfect rationality; as if s/he has risen above such a common and often helpful part of the human experience.


You are describing any flawed religious person in their zealously.  The issue of faith in that "they recognize nothing higher than their own limited intellects and egos " is unimportant to the outcome and unimportant in regards to the perception by other people outside their group...  If your claim is that Atheists suffer from their self righteousness more than the average religious person then I may agree to that only because they are a new "religion" with a bit more to "prove" than other established and aged groups.
 
2014-01-06 10:07:55 AM

miscreant: Farking Canuck: I love how big a deal it is when a tiny percentage of atheists decide to organize a church-like meeting.

They can do what they want ... they do not represent all atheists. We are not an organization. We do not have any rules, guidelines, leaders, etc.

It is likely made up of people who likely miss the meeting/social part of religion but don't miss the fairy-tales. Who cares?

Religious people care because it fits the letrole narrative of "atheism is a religion!"

Which is the theological equivalent of the "both sides are bad" philosophy. If atheism is just another religion, then you can ignore it just like you would any other religion besides your own, because then it's all subjective.


And they'd have a point if these atheist churchgoers were more than a tiny, tiny fringe group.

What religious people want this to mean: Atheists miss church.

What it really means: Only a tiny fraction of atheists miss church. But they don't miss the fairy-tales so they invented one that is based on reason and humanistic values.
 
2014-01-06 10:08:03 AM

Confabulat: I'm an atheist and these people are all assholes.

I don't need to join a damn club to be an atheist. Are you just lonely?

What awful human beings.


Yea, this. As there is a direct correlation between the number of humans in a group and how farking stupid that group becomes, I'll stick with not being part of the idiocy that is a church. Any church.
 
2014-01-06 10:18:43 AM

RedTank: You are describing any flawed religious person in their zealously. The issue of faith in that "they recognize nothing higher than their own limited intellects and egos " is unimportant to the outcome and unimportant in regards to the perception by other people outside their group...


A shared dogma helps limit and mend rifts within a sect. Lacking scripture, the dogma/practices/mores of this atheist church can only be based on what members can talk each other into from week to week.

As to whether atheists suffer from self-righteousness more than others- I refer only to the lecturing, smug self-satisfied atheists, many of whom have participated in this very thread.
 
2014-01-06 10:20:29 AM

dfenstrate: RedTank: When humans collaborate and congregate for anything at all that revolves around perpetuating a message then it always goes to shiat when the survival of said congregation relies solely upon the spreading of said message.

This athiest 'Church' has a bigger problem then normal, because they recognize nothing higher than their own limited intellects and egos; hence nothing they can defer to.

A lack of faith is one thing, a smug self-satisfied lecturing atheist is just a bit too precious about his own perfect rationality; as if s/he has risen above such a common and often helpful part of the human experience.


They usually fall back onto their capital-N Nationalism, or just cults of personality. That's been the historical trend, anyway.
 
2014-01-06 10:22:03 AM

dfenstrate: As to whether atheists suffer from self-righteousness more than others- I refer only to the lecturing, smug self-satisfied atheists, many of whom have participated in this very thread.


I.E. anyone who dares to have an opinion that differs from the religious majority.

We all knew what you meant.
 
2014-01-06 10:22:15 AM

omeganuepsilon: DerAppie: I see no reason to be all inclusive.

Depends one one's agenda.

You want government laws to not be based in religion(ie gay laws, equal rights for women/races, etc)?
 Inclusion is a good idea.
You want religion to not taint or even replace real education?
Inclusion also works well here.
You want local public offices to not fall into a setup similar to Dominionism because they're all of the same religion?
Inclusion here is great.
(Or Sharia Law or other similar control schema's)

There is some valid reasoning to be as inclusive and friendly as possible. You can have a cause and not have a doctrine. You can believe in something(equal rights), without BelievingTM in magic, sky gods(and obedience thereof), worship, etc.

If your agenda is to more simply have friends and hang out in a bar, well, that's easy, you can even join a "club".


There is strength in numbers. The various organisations could simply work together instead of shoehorning everyone in one ill-fitting collective.
 
2014-01-06 10:23:33 AM

dfenstrate: RedTank: When humans collaborate and congregate for anything at all that revolves around perpetuating a message then it always goes to shiat when the survival of said congregation relies solely upon the spreading of said message.

This athiest 'Church' has a bigger problem then normal, because they recognize nothing higher than their own limited intellects and egos; hence nothing they can defer to.

A lack of faith is one thing, a smug self-satisfied lecturing atheist is just a bit too precious about his own perfect rationality; as if s/he has risen above such a common and often helpful part of the human experience.


They can defer to factual information.
IE not teaching creationism(which debilitates the potential of the students, ie tomorrows leaders and workers).

That alone is worth pushing some boundaries, a better educated populace. Also, separation of church and state, and equal rights.

I love how undercover believers(or alternatively, anarchists) come in here and badmouth teh "smug" while denying and denigrating the factual legitimacy of atheism as a cultural/social movement.  Damned uppity atheists trying to improve society!
 
2014-01-06 10:25:46 AM

dfenstrate: As to whether atheists suffer from self-righteousness more than others- I refer only to the lecturing, smug self-satisfied atheists, many of whom have participated in this very thread.


I love it when someone accuses someone else of being 'smug' in the most condescending manner possible.  It's like calling out a typo with poor grammar.
 
2014-01-06 10:30:11 AM

This About That: Oh God.


Don't you mean "0 god"?
 
2014-01-06 10:30:33 AM

Egoy3k: dfenstrate: As to whether atheists suffer from self-righteousness more than others- I refer only to the lecturing, smug self-satisfied atheists, many of whom have participated in this very thread.

I love it when someone accuses someone else of being 'smug' in the most condescending manner possible.  It's like calling out a typo with poor grammar.


Do you really love it?
 
2014-01-06 10:33:36 AM

lordjupiter: Egoy3k: dfenstrate: As to whether atheists suffer from self-righteousness more than others- I refer only to the lecturing, smug self-satisfied atheists, many of whom have participated in this very thread.

I love it when someone accuses someone else of being 'smug' in the most condescending manner possible.  It's like calling out a typo with poor grammar.

Do you really love it?


Yes?
 
2014-01-06 10:35:57 AM
The major churches should be starting up "membership not required" activities for just this purpose. Let college kids do volunteer work instead of attending services and just wait out their rebelliousness until their spirituality matures beyond the "I don't believe in Santa Claus" phase.

Does anyone already do this?
 
2014-01-06 10:36:34 AM

namatad: atheism is not a religion


Because the meanings of words change, yes, it is. It's deity is the importance of ridding society of the notion of deities. Atheists gather, organize, and proselytize.

You may not be a religious atheist, but plenty are. Just like someone can believe in god and not be religious, someone can not believe in god, and be religious.

Atheism is a religion, because some atheists practice it like one.

Convincing someone of anything that has no proof is brainwashing.
 
2014-01-06 10:37:30 AM

s2s2s2: namatad: atheism is not a religion

Because the meanings of words change, yes, it is. Its deity is the importance of ridding society of the notion of deities. Atheists gather, organize, and proselytize.

You may not be a religious atheist, but plenty are. Just like someone can believe in god and not be religious, someone can not believe in god, and be religious.

Atheism is a religion, because some atheists practice it like one.

Convincing someone of anything that has no proof is brainwashing.


/ftfm
 
2014-01-06 10:38:25 AM

dfenstrate: A shared dogma helps limit and mend rifts within a sect. Lacking scripture, the dogma/practices/mores of this atheist church can only be based on what members can talk each other into from week to week


Perhaps it's time Atheists wrote a book about it all then?  I suppose that would be a bit too on the nose....

dfenstrate: As to whether atheists suffer from self-righteousness more than others- I refer only to the lecturing, smug self-satisfied atheists, many of whom have participated in this very thread.


Perhaps you shouldn't base your opinions on Atheists from a small samples size of anonymity from the internet.  I've met plenty of smug self-satisfied people in my life and if I hated them for it I would undoubtedly hate everyone by now and I'd be living in a cave.
 
2014-01-06 10:39:39 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The major churches should be starting up "membership not required" activities for just this purpose. Let college kids do volunteer work instead of attending services and just wait out their rebelliousness until their spirituality matures beyond the "I don't believe in Santa Claus" phase.


Are you suggesting that people with "Mature Spirituality" start to believe in Santa again?

Love that term btw. It makes believing in things without evidence sound so noble.
 
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