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2014-01-05 09:46:49 PM
That's sad.
 
2014-01-05 09:58:14 PM
Today, on Ric Romero Presents: the No Schitt Files...

<imagine this read by Don LaFontaine>

In a world... where every second person you meet is on some sort of anti-depressant, anti-anxiety medication or mood enhancer...

where 25% of kids* are identified by their parents as ADHD or Aspergers or otherwise "on the spectrum"...

Dr. N.S. Sherlock reports that mental ailments are mis-diagnosed and over-diagnosed.

*In my personal/professional experience, YMMV
 
2014-01-05 10:28:41 PM

KrustyKitten: That's sad.


And depressing
 
2014-01-05 11:57:12 PM
Why are family doctors prescribing psychiatric drugs after a five minute exam in the first place?

A GP or FP would refer you to a cardiologist for an arrythmia. They'd refer you to a renal specialist for kidney issues. They'd send you to a neurologist for a stroke.

So why not refer people to a psychiatrist if they suspect a psychiatric issue.
 
2014-01-06 12:17:10 AM
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Recommended.
 
2014-01-06 02:03:19 AM
Gleemonex makes it feel like it's seventy-two degrees in your head... all... the... time!
 
2014-01-06 02:37:11 AM
I'm waiting for the release of the painless death pill known as "Suicide-ol"

"Suicide-ol" When you absolutely are tired of your shiatty life, take just one "Suicide-ol" and tell god what you think of his plan for you by giving him the big ol middle finger.

That's "Suicide-ol" ask your Dr. if "Suicide-ol" is right for you.

Side effects may cause drowsiness.
 
2014-01-06 02:37:25 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: KrustyKitten: That's sad.

And depressing


So ...

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... now becomes ...

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2014-01-06 02:37:56 AM

farkingismybusiness: Gleemonex makes it feel like it's seventy-two degrees in your head... all... the... time!


But do you know how it's made?
 
2014-01-06 02:41:41 AM
Drugs for people that are sad?  I thought that's what beer was for.
 
2014-01-06 02:43:32 AM
There's a support group for that. It's called everybody, and they meet at the bar.
 
2014-01-06 02:43:50 AM

farkingismybusiness: Gleemonex makes it feel like it's seventy-two degrees in your head... all... the... time!



FTA :

A public accounts committee report revealed that drug companies routinely withhold results of clinical trials from doctors, leaving them poorly informed about how to treat patients.

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"Well, that's because we'd like everyone to have access to the drug.  You know... like, ghetto-children (apparently their lives are terrible).  Did you read that thing in The Times?

Anyway.  You want ghetto-children to be happy, don't you?"
 
2014-01-06 02:44:22 AM
They just need a couple weeks worth of Valium and they'll be fine. At least that is immediately effective, where as most antidepressants can take 2-4 weeks before "beginning to help"
 
2014-01-06 02:44:30 AM
"doled" implies a deliberate pace and an appropriate volume of said drugs being administered
 
2014-01-06 02:46:58 AM

Wolf892: farkingismybusiness: Gleemonex makes it feel like it's seventy-two degrees in your head... all... the... time!

But do you know how it's made?


Duh. It's made from monkey cu.. CAT ON MY HEAD. CAT ON MY HEAD!!!
 
2014-01-06 02:51:35 AM
Maybe that's why people have turned from this.

lolzfactory.com

To This:

byebyesuckas.com

/Merck's new slogan: Don't worry wealthy parents, our depression pills will de-evolve your kids from lonely emo kids to happy and arrogant Hipster kids
 
2014-01-06 02:53:12 AM
And you know what? Antidepressants don't even make you feel "good." Assuming you're ACTUALLY suffering from depression, and have been for a while, all they do is make you feel normal.

Then you discover--surprise!--that feeling sad (happy, angry, amused, irked, etc.) is actually a thing that people experience and quite a natural experience in the course of a lifetime.

If you want to feel "good" all the time, use cocaine. That will work for about six months.
 
2014-01-06 02:55:33 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: "doled" implies a deliberate pace and an appropriate volume of said drugs being administered


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Or it implies bananas. Which implies crazy. Which needs a pill. Which is sad. Which needs another pill.
 
2014-01-06 02:58:14 AM
I've delt with depression all my life (36)..  Not all emo and gay about it. I've just accepted it as who I am, deal with it and work around it.  Don't smoke, light drinker, no drugs etc.    So one day last year I decided to buckle down and see what all these anti-depressants are about and got prescribed Zoloft.. It lasted 3 months.. The first two weeks I felt like I was on acid.. My hearing sensitivity was through the roof.Metallic taste in my mouth.  I was flying high.. Then that subsided and I went into "zombie" mode.. I wasn't happy, I wasn't sad.. I just was "functioning"

Long story short.. I flushed my remaining and went cold turkey on them..  They suck.. They just turn you into an emotionless lump..  I felt much better being myself than feeling nothing at all.
 
2014-01-06 02:59:36 AM
Ssri's: leading new cause of impotence and inability to orgasm.
 
2014-01-06 03:00:11 AM

Gyrfalcon: And you know what? Antidepressants don't even make you feel "good." Assuming you're ACTUALLY suffering from depression, and have been for a while, all they do is make you feel normal.

Then you discover--surprise!--that feeling sad (happy, angry, amused, irked, etc.) is actually a thing that people experience and quite a natural experience in the course of a lifetime.

If you want to feel "good" all the time, use cocaine. That will work for about six months.


THIS

Except I wouldn't say they make you feel normal.  They take you from being depressed up to "meh" or "bla",  It's zombie-like.


Everyone wants a quick fix though so the pills get tossed out to everyone.
 
2014-01-06 03:01:30 AM
Dunno, I may be a moron, and I'm not a doctor, but...
I have noticed since the mid 90's GP's are handing out psych meds.  On a whim.
I guess I'm from the old school, where, only a psychiatrist would dole out brain candy, and only then, as a last resort.

I'm switching GP's because of this actual conversation I had with him:

Me: doc, I really want something to help me sleep, but I want something non hypnotic (bad amnesia associated with it), and something with a very short half life so I am not groggy in the AM.
Doc:  OK, have some Klonopin
Me: WTF?  This has an extremely long half life, and contributes to amnesia, WTF would you give me that for?
Doc; It's a very low dose
Me: No thanks
 
2014-01-06 03:07:14 AM

Boo_Guy: Gyrfalcon: And you know what? Antidepressants don't even make you feel "good." Assuming you're ACTUALLY suffering from depression, and have been for a while, all they do is make you feel normal.

Then you discover--surprise!--that feeling sad (happy, angry, amused, irked, etc.) is actually a thing that people experience and quite a natural experience in the course of a lifetime.

If you want to feel "good" all the time, use cocaine. That will work for about six months.

THIS

Except I wouldn't say they make you feel normal.  They take you from being depressed up to "meh" or "bla",  It's zombie-like.


Everyone wants a quick fix though so the pills get tossed out to everyone.


Well, they worked for me. Either your meds didn't work in the combo they gave you, or you are like a dear friend of mine who has refractory ("untreatable") depression. Although it took the better part of 25 years to find the right balance for me. My friend has run the gamut, including ECT, and has had to accept she's going to be depressed the rest of her life.

Be that as it may, pills are NOT a quick fix, and they are NOT for mere sadness or as they say "noncomplicated depression" (a fancy term for depression which has a reason, like your spouse just died). They are NOT for people who are a little down or even who have mild depression that lingers for a few months, not until it's been determined that diet, exercise, thyroid, sleep apnea, hypoglycemia, chronic fatigue, anxiety or even chronic infection (like a tooth abcsess) are not to blame. "I feel a little down, doctor," should not be handed a quick script for Zoloft, not with all the side effects that I wouldn't wish on anyone who hadn't experienced actual depression.
 
2014-01-06 03:11:02 AM

Boo_Guy: Gyrfalcon: And you know what? Antidepressants don't even make you feel "good." Assuming you're ACTUALLY suffering from depression, and have been for a while, all they do is make you feel normal.

Then you discover--surprise!--that feeling sad (happy, angry, amused, irked, etc.) is actually a thing that people experience and quite a natural experience in the course of a lifetime.

If you want to feel "good" all the time, use cocaine. That will work for about six months.

THIS

Except I wouldn't say they make you feel normal.  They take you from being depressed up to "meh" or "bla",  It's zombie-like.


Everyone wants a quick fix though so the pills get tossed out to everyone.


YMMV. Mine make me feel normal. Well, as normal as I can be. I don't cry the drop of a hat anymore, which is nice. I felt more like a zombie without meds. But then, I was diagnosed with, well, dysthymia I guess (chronic low-level depression, in the words of my psychologist, who didn't use the technical term). That plus anxiety. Good times. It's like living in a murky, gray world for years on end, and also things jump out at you from time to time.

Meds help.

Learning what actual happiness is has been fun. Also, other emotions. And maybe I won't cry next time I watch Enchanted. That would be nice!

A lot probably depends on the type of the depression, and how the medication works for you.

Definitely not a quick fix, though.
 
2014-01-06 03:13:11 AM
I would like to see less people turning to pharmaceuticals and more focusing on exercising and eating better--and definitely getting consistently good sleep.

I think anti-depressants can be wonderful things, but there are people I've met who use them despite never knowing what it's like to actually be depressed. Depression, as an illness, is significantly different than simply feeling sad, but if you get the ear of the right GP or psychiatrist, you'll be the proud recipient of all sorts of helpful prescriptions.
 
2014-01-06 03:13:40 AM

hardinparamedic: Why are family doctors prescribing psychiatric drugs after a five minute exam in the first place?

A GP or FP would refer you to a cardiologist for an arrythmia. They'd refer you to a renal specialist for kidney issues. They'd send you to a neurologist for a stroke.

So why not refer people to a psychiatrist if they suspect a psychiatric issue.


So the psychiatrist can then prescribe psychiatric drugs after a five minute exam.
 
2014-01-06 03:14:42 AM
Sad tag has committed suicide after being ignored by subby.
 
2014-01-06 03:15:31 AM

zepillin: So the psychiatrist can then prescribe psychiatric drugs after a five minute exam.


I'd rather let the guy with four to five years of post-grad fellowship in psychiatric treatment prescribe me a psychoactive medication than a guy who spent two years in general medicine before going out to practice.
 
2014-01-06 03:17:41 AM
I came into this thread for the "Gleemonex" reference.  farkingismybusiness did not disappoint me.
 
2014-01-06 03:19:16 AM
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2014-01-06 03:20:49 AM
Gyrfalcon: Well, they worked for me. Either your meds didn't work in the combo they gave you, or you are like a dear friend of mine who has refractory ("untreatable") depression. Although it took the better part of 25 years to find the right balance for me. My friend has run the gamut, including ECT, and has had to accept she's going to be depressed the rest of her life.

Be that as it may, pills are NOT a quick fix, and they are NOT for mere sadness or as they say "noncomplicated depression" (a fancy term for depression which has a reason, like your spouse just died). They are NOT for people who are a little down or even who have mild depression that lingers for a few months, not until it's been determined that diet, exercise, thyroid, sleep apnea, hypoglycemia, chronic fatigue, anxiety or even chronic infection (like a tooth abcsess) are not to blame. "I feel a little down, doctor," should not be handed a quick script for Zoloft, not with all the side effects that I wouldn't wish on anyone who hadn't experienced actual depression.


I've tried many different ones over the years,  they all seem to leave me "bla" at best.  I'm of the mind that I'm depressed because I've got chronic health issues that anyone in my place would be unhappy about.  Its not some chemical imbalance in an otherwise normal life.

/Not that anyone is really normal but you know what i mean.
 
2014-01-06 03:23:49 AM

skobot: I would like to see less people turning to pharmaceuticals and more focusing on exercising and eating better


This is actually what I did after my trying of them.   One of the first things I did was dramatically cut refined sugar out of my diet and completely stopped drinking soda.. Strictly stevia as an added sweetener and get my main sugars from fruits. I drink water, orange juice and coffee..  I have a sweet tooth and indulge in the occasional pastry etc but it's very limited.   It helped a lot because my body was more energized, "clean" and not running ragged which in turn helped curb the mental state of falling into a depression because my body felt good so it kind translated into me feeling good.
 
2014-01-06 03:28:49 AM
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2014-01-06 03:29:19 AM
Take SSRIs so you can screw for six hours and never cum!
 
2014-01-06 03:30:42 AM

Rann Xerox: I came into this thread for the "Gleemonex" reference.  farkingismybusiness did not disappoint me.


Ahem...note my reference to brain candy.
 
2014-01-06 03:31:18 AM

SpdrJay: Take SSRIs so you can screw for six hours and never cum!


lol.
 
2014-01-06 03:35:31 AM

SpdrJay: Take SSRIs so you can screw for six hours and never cum!


That's if you can get it up at all.  Just what a depressed guy needs,  impotence.
 
2014-01-06 03:43:59 AM

hardinparamedic: zepillin: So the psychiatrist can then prescribe psychiatric drugs after a five minute exam.

I'd rather let the guy with four to five years of post-grad fellowship  psychiatric treatment prescribe me a psychoactive medication than a guy who spent two years in generaI'll l medicine before going out to practice.


I'll pass on both, thanks.
 
2014-01-06 03:59:44 AM

Boo_Guy: SpdrJay: Take SSRIs so you can screw for six hours and never cum!

That's if you can get it up at all.  Just what a depressed guy needs,  impotence.


Yeah, I was on Zoloft for a little while. It did actually take the edge of the depression off, but omg orgasms were soooooo frustrating. It difficult enough to orgasm as a girl to begin with. . .
 
2014-01-06 04:02:45 AM

Canton: YMMV. Mine make me feel normal. Well, as normal as I can be. I don't cry the drop of a hat anymore, which is nice. I felt more like a zombie without meds. But then, I was diagnosed with, well, dysthymia I guess (chronic low-level depression, in the words of my psychologist, who didn't use the technical term). That plus anxiety. Good times. It's like living in a murky, gray world for years on end, and also things jump out at you from time to time.


I likely have dysthymia too. I've felt mildly depressed for as long as I can remember. Then again, my life sucks and I should be feeling like crap. It's beyond normal sadness but I've never been severely depressed. I eventually developed anxiety and I'm even kinda shaking right now. I probably need meds and yet I'm afraid to try anything. Meanwhile, people who are merely sad don't think twice about popping pills they don't need. It really pisses me off. Especially when these people need only feel sad for two weeks.


zepillin: hardinparamedic: Why are family doctors prescribing psychiatric drugs after a five minute exam in the first place?

A GP or FP would refer you to a cardiologist for an arrythmia. They'd refer you to a renal specialist for kidney issues. They'd send you to a neurologist for a stroke.

So why not refer people to a psychiatrist if they suspect a psychiatric issue.

So the psychiatrist can then prescribe psychiatric drugs after a five minute exam.


Yeah, I'm leery of psychiatrists for that reason. They're overworked and overbooked so they have a discussion that's over too soon to come to any real conclusions and they write out a prescription. But I think that's part of the reason GPs give out meds for this stuff. There just aren't enough psychiatrists to deal with everybody.
 
2014-01-06 04:08:08 AM

styckx: I've delt with depression all my life (36)..  Not all emo and gay about it. I've just accepted it as who I am, deal with it and work around it.  Don't smoke, light drinker, no drugs etc.    So one day last year I decided to buckle down and see what all these anti-depressants are about and got prescribed Zoloft.. It lasted 3 months.. The first two weeks I felt like I was on acid.. My hearing sensitivity was through the roof.Metallic taste in my mouth.  I was flying high.. Then that subsided and I went into "zombie" mode.. I wasn't happy, I wasn't sad.. I just was "functioning"

Long story short.. I flushed my remaining and went cold turkey on them..  They suck.. They just turn you into an emotionless lump..  I felt much better being myself than feeling nothing at all.


That's just you. In my case I'm on an SSRI and a NDRI which are the only things keeping me from killing myself. They keep me going.
/Those are some of the weirdest side effects I have ever heard about.
/// MY GP gave me the SSRI because of a long family history. The NDRI he refered my to a Psychatrist as he was uncomfortable give out one as he didn't have much knowledge in then
/// I love my doctor as he is not a pill pusher.
 
2014-01-06 04:12:34 AM

Peki: Yeah, I was on Zoloft for a little while. It did actually take the edge of the depression off, but omg orgasms were soooooo frustrating. It difficult enough to orgasm as a girl to begin with. . .


I think I'd be glad to have that side effect. Being turned on while also feeling depressed and not in the mood to do anything about it is an extremely weird and farked up experience.

/Maybe it's just me.
 
2014-01-06 04:16:26 AM

thatboyoverthere: styckx: I've delt with depression all my life (36)..  Not all emo and gay about it. I've just accepted it as who I am, deal with it and work around it.  Don't smoke, light drinker, no drugs etc.    So one day last year I decided to buckle down and see what all these anti-depressants are about and got prescribed Zoloft.. It lasted 3 months.. The first two weeks I felt like I was on acid.. My hearing sensitivity was through the roof.Metallic taste in my mouth.  I was flying high.. Then that subsided and I went into "zombie" mode.. I wasn't happy, I wasn't sad.. I just was "functioning"

Long story short.. I flushed my remaining and went cold turkey on them..  They suck.. They just turn you into an emotionless lump..  I felt much better being myself than feeling nothing at all.

That's just you. In my case I'm on an SSRI and a NDRI which are the only things keeping me from killing myself. They keep me going.
/Those are some of the weirdest side effects I have ever heard about.
/// MY GP gave me the SSRI because of a long family history. The NDRI he refered my to a Psychatrist as he was uncomfortable give out one as he didn't have much knowledge in then
/// I love my doctor as he is not a pill pusher.


I told my doctor my exact side effects like this

"I did my share of "experimenting" in my teens and I feel like I'm on the up side of an acid trip. I feel sorta speedy, my hearing is amplified and very sensitive in a good way. I've listened to entire albums with headphones on I havent' paid attention to in years and have a strange metallic taste in my mouth."

She said "that's normal and will last 2-3 weeks"..  And she was right..

Anyway.. Glad I'm off that shiat. I had to try them though out of curiosity.
 
2014-01-06 04:20:50 AM

hardinparamedic: Why are family doctors prescribing psychiatric drugs after a five minute exam in the first place?


I had something weird happen to me where my stomach basically shut down and I lost my appetite. Went to the GP and 30 seconds later he was offering to write a prescription for Paxil and Abilfy. I refused and when I got the write up the visit the tl;dr 'was patient refused treatment for major depression'

For this I pay $625/mo? For that the doc should say, well I have no idea what's wrong with you, so I'll have my nurse come in and give you a complementary BJ.
 
2014-01-06 04:21:46 AM
Sometimes the Doctor God Complex comes into play, and a basic GP thinks he can fix anything, and feels that a consult is a personal insult to his very being.  I had a GP like that once. ~70 years old, tried to pull me off triptans for migraines and put me on Depakote, because "migraines are just a symptom of manic behaviour".

Same doctor tried to swap an entire, functioning medication regimen for PTSD to a bunch of nasty older drugs, because "I've never heard of these, you sure they ain't narcotics?"

Man, he got PISSED when I asked for a second opinion.
 
2014-01-06 04:32:34 AM

hardinparamedic: Why are family doctors prescribing psychiatric drugs after a five minute exam in the first place?

A GP or FP would refer you to a cardiologist for an arrythmia. They'd refer you to a renal specialist for kidney issues. They'd send you to a neurologist for a stroke.

So why not refer people to a psychiatrist if they suspect a psychiatric issue.


It's a common practice to throw someone who had a significant life changing event (ex. a 18 year old motorcross competitor who was just admitted to the ICU following an accident leading to total paraplegia) on anti-depressants. A shocking amount originates from the ER and then just gets carried on by the PCP at followup. You'll see it occasionally following child birth, which is always fun to deal with because some SSRIs, like paxil, are category X and/or excreted in the breast milk. You have to also remember the stigma around psychiatry, and not just among patients, but prescribers, too. If my PCP told me I had to go see a shrink, I would probably say....

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A very respectable professor once told me a great rule of thumb for therapy: Every drug is guilty until proven innocent. Not saying the over prescribing of anti-depressants is okay by any means, but this is just the way it is.
 
2014-01-06 04:46:58 AM

IsThatYourFinalAnswer: Sometimes the Doctor God Complex comes into play, and a basic GP thinks he can fix anything, and feels that a consult is a personal insult to his very being.  I had a GP like that once. ~70 years old, tried to pull me off triptans for migraines and put me on Depakote, because "migraines are just a symptom of manic behaviour".

Same doctor tried to swap an entire, functioning medication regimen for PTSD to a bunch of nasty older drugs, because "I've never heard of these, you sure they ain't narcotics?"

Man, he got PISSED when I asked for a second opinion.


Out of curiosity, what's your mix for PTSD? I was decent on Seroquel but stopped taking them when I left the  doc for trying to hand me meds for a symptom I didn't have.
 
2014-01-06 04:53:08 AM
burncheese: I likely have dysthymia too. I've felt mildly depressed for as long as I can remember. Then again, my life sucks and I should be feeling like crap. It's beyond normal sadness but I've never been severely depressed. I eventually developed anxiety and I'm even kinda shaking right now. I probably need meds and yet I'm afraid to try anything. Meanwhile, people who are merely sad don't think twice about popping pills they don't need. It really pisses me off. Especially when these people need only feel sad for two weeks.

Dysthymia is actually pretty severe. That's what I got tagged with a couple years ago and I had trouble getting out of bed without pills. I didn't have even have the motivation to watch TV, but I was excessively horny apparently (which has a strong correlation to dysthymia). If you have constant sadness, see a dietician and hit the gym til you hurt. If after a couple months you don't feel better, see a licensed psychologist and talk about pills. Pills should be a last resort and finding the right combo takes months if you're lucky.
 
2014-01-06 04:53:38 AM

Modern Apothecary PharmD: It's a common practice to throw someone who had a significant life changing event (ex. a 18 year old motorcross competitor who was just admitted to the ICU following an accident leading to total paraplegia) on anti-depressants.


Wouldn't the example you give be an example of it's use to prevent ICU Psychosis? Not arguing the point, but that seems a little different than the average "I just feel bad because I got a significant life change thrown at me" kind of patient that goes into a GP/FP for some help functioning.

Modern Apothecary PharmD: A shocking amount originates from the ER and then just gets carried on by the PCP at followup.


Where are you in practice at? Our ER Docs won't do anything except take them off a medication due to an identified adverse reaction, such as dystonia, EPS, or serotonin syndrome, and even then they usually won't do so without consulting either the fellow or attending psych on call.

I've just never heard of an ER Physician or Fellow prescribing any kind of anti-depressant, unless it's also used for the treatment of acute psychotic episodes.
 
2014-01-06 05:37:49 AM

IsThatYourFinalAnswer: Sometimes the Doctor God Complex comes into play, and a basic GP thinks he can fix anything, and feels that a consult is a personal insult to his very being.  I had a GP like that once. ~70 years old, tried to pull me off triptans for migraines and put me on Depakote, because "migraines are just a symptom of manic behaviour".

Same doctor tried to swap an entire, functioning medication regimen for PTSD to a bunch of nasty older drugs, because "I've never heard of these, you sure they ain't narcotics?"

Man, he got PISSED when I asked for a second opinion.


Always go for the 30-40 year old doctor. They have experience but arn't complacent and arrogent.
 
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