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2014-01-06 12:13:57 AM
Well, at least you don't risk carbon monoxide poisoning...
 
2014-01-06 12:37:49 AM
Bullshiat.  Not on a standard Prius, anyway.
 
2014-01-06 12:41:39 AM
He used the car to power his house for nine hours, and the car's battery went down by less than one bar--equivalent to a gallon of gas.

ok, and how much gas did he burn to go along with that battery usage?
 
2014-01-06 01:11:06 AM

ekdikeo4: Bullshiat.  Not on a standard Prius, anyway.


It looks like you just need to connect an inverter to the 12V battery.
 
2014-01-06 01:16:28 AM
This is nothing new
 
2014-01-06 01:20:42 AM
Electromagnetism, how does it work?
 
2014-01-06 01:22:10 AM
It's powered by his own farts.
4.bp.blogspot.com
Thaaaaaaaaaaaanks!
 
2014-01-06 01:23:21 AM
You know what else can be used as a generator during a power outage?

img0.allbrands.cc
How about a generator?
 
2014-01-06 01:25:20 AM
Last year, after a few days without power, I went to the hardware store and bought a couple 800w DC inverters. Put one on each battery of my diesel truck, ran a couple fat extension cords into the house, and idled my truck all day. Didnt pay attention to fuel consumption, but for about $150 worth of inverter I was running my fridge, freezer, laptop and a tv (with cable box and cable modem.) Best money I ever spent.
 
2014-01-06 01:27:21 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-06 01:28:28 AM
I plugged my handcranked flashlight into the wall socket and cranked like mad.


Nothin'.
 
2014-01-06 01:31:56 AM

SpdrJay: I plugged my handcranked flashlight into the wall socket and cranked like mad.


Nothin'.



Oh man, I read that as fleshlight.
 
2014-01-06 01:32:29 AM
i felt betrayed by an industry that would sell me a battery that large... and not hook it up 12V outlets in the car, connecting them to the tiny battery in the engine compartment. WTF man, the big ass battery? Mobile power grids? Parties in the desert? Hello? I mean, pretty please
 
2014-01-06 01:35:04 AM
All you need:

www.teachengineering.org
 
2014-01-06 01:36:12 AM
I'd call that "old salt and battery."
 
2014-01-06 01:39:22 AM
Yea well, just stay out of the fast lane.
 
2014-01-06 01:43:44 AM
Oh, you bet his warranty is voided.
 
2014-01-06 01:47:33 AM
The electric motors in the Prius already run at high voltage. But since it's dc you'd still need an invertor to make it work for a house. Though the output from the generator is likely ac so you could probably just patch into it and end up with something you can use for a house.
 
2014-01-06 01:48:17 AM

farkMcFark: Yea well, just stay out of the fast lane.


Heh. As I was headed to the bar to watch the 49's/ Pacs game I was behind a Prius and there was an M3 in the next lane as we came up to a red light. I changed lanes to get behind the BMW. When the light turned green the Prius and like 5 other cars passed us as the old hag in the M3 basically idled away at like 10 miles an hour for a few blocks before I could change lanes around her.

And I had RATM blasting and was amped up. Wanted to rev it up a bit, but no, stupid Prius had me by like 100 car lengths.
 
2014-01-06 01:51:01 AM
Prius. He used his Prius. That's different that using his penis.
 
2014-01-06 02:12:34 AM

TinyFist: farkMcFark: Yea well, just stay out of the fast lane.

Heh. As I was headed to the bar to watch the 49's/ Pacs game I was behind a Prius and there was an M3 in the next lane as we came up to a red light. I changed lanes to get behind the BMW. When the light turned green the Prius and like 5 other cars passed us as the old hag in the M3 basically idled away at like 10 miles an hour for a few blocks before I could change lanes around her.

And I had RATM blasting and was amped up. Wanted to rev it up a bit, but no, stupid Prius had me by like 100 car lengths.


I know that feel bro
 
2014-01-06 02:12:47 AM

TinyFist: farkMcFark: Yea well, just stay out of the fast lane.

Heh. As I was headed to the bar to watch the 49's/ Pacs game I was behind a Prius and there was an M3 in the next lane as we came up to a red light. I changed lanes to get behind the BMW. When the light turned green the Prius and like 5 other cars passed us as the old hag in the M3 basically idled away at like 10 miles an hour for a few blocks before I could change lanes around her.

And I had RATM blasting and was amped up. Wanted to rev it up a bit, but no, stupid Prius had me by like 100 car lengths.


And that's only because of traction and/or explicit limiters.

Electric motors generate max torque at 0 RPM.  For the previous generation Prius (2004-2009 or so), that's about 400 Nm (295 lb*ft) from a complete stop. [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Toyota_Prius/Specifications]

Diesel engines usually hit max torque around 1800 RPM, petrol/gasoline engines more like 4k-5k RPM.  From a dead stop, electric motors are traction / amperage / cooling / physical interconnect limited.

(Kind of a silly argument, because by the same metric a 100kg cyclist can generate ~200Nm torque from a dead stop just due to weight and crank length.  Doesn't mean that the cyclist will get to the other side of the box first.)
 
2014-01-06 02:23:36 AM
Man uses Prius as generator during outage, now even more smug smog

FTFY
 
2014-01-06 02:35:17 AM

NBSV: The electric motors in the Prius already run at high voltage. But since it's dc you'd still need an invertor to make it work for a house. Though the output from the generator is likely ac so you could probably just patch into it and end up with something you can use for a house.


If it's like anything I've been reading about recently, the "Prius generator" idea uses a standard 12v power inverter connected to the Prius auxiliary battery. This battery is smaller than a standard car battery as it doesn't have to turn the engine over (engine cranking comes from the M1 motor/generator, which is powered by the high voltage battery. M1 is also the main charging source when the car is being driven straight and level (i.e. not regeneratively braking.) M2 is the regenerative workhorse. The battery is, however, charged by a DC-DC converter that comes off the high voltage system. The high voltage battery charge is maintained while the car is idle by turning the engine on and off at intervals. So, if everything is working and there's gas the headlights, etc. should theoretically never completely discharge either the HV or aux batteries.

The advantage to using the Prius as a generator is the motor doesn't run continuously unless there's a lot of load. On the other hand, too much load could overload/overheat the converter components, so as always YMMV. 800W at 12v is almost 70 amps! Not sure if that 12v system is designed to provide that much current on a sustained basis. I'd probably rather fire up a standard $300 generator than do this to my Prius, overstress something expensive and then have it latently fail when I'm out on the road.
 
2014-01-06 03:17:29 AM

ekdikeo4: Bullshiat.  Not on a standard Prius, anyway.


One can almost certainly get by on a low-fi setup with a simple inverter off the 12V power points.  The car should notice when the [meager] 12V battery is low, and kick off the ICE to recharge it.

I'm pretty sure I saw schemes where people were tapping into the main traction battery for backup power.  That's probably more efficient, but requires more technical competence (~500V at ~100A is not something to fool around with).

But the overall scheme is not bad at all, and it's been common knowledge for almost 10 years now: e.g., http://priuschat.com/threads/using-a-prius-as-a-backup-generator-any- c hanges.37760/
 
2014-01-06 03:18:34 AM

Danger Avoid Death: You know what else can be used as a generator during a power outage?

[img0.allbrands.cc image 300x300]

How about a generator



FTA :

He spoke to his experience as a mechanic and warned others not to try using their car as a generator.
"I've been an aircraft technician for over 50 years, and I've also worked on cars," he said.



With that sort of background, I'd have expected that Mr Goodwrench here would have a real generator at his disposal.

/ any car is a generator if you own a decent inverter
 
HKW
2014-01-06 03:19:11 AM
I do thid regularly with my crown vic & an inverter. All you need to know is simple electrical math.

No, it doesnr the furnace, but I have kerosene heaters for heat. Just need somwthing to run a few lights, cable box, tv, and dvd player.
 
2014-01-06 04:46:43 AM

aerojockey: All you need:

[www.teachengineering.org image 360x270]


Oh, hi. So, how are you holding up? Because I'm a potato. *clap. clap. clap.* Oh good, my slow-clap processor made it into this thing, so we have that.
 
2014-01-06 05:57:16 AM

ekdikeo4: Bullshiat.  Not on a standard Prius, anyway.


He used it to run his house at the minimum power at which the ice storm wouldn't outright kill him or destroy all his shiat, i.e. he sealed everything and ran a space heater to get things to 70 degrees, then shut it off until it got cold again, he powered the heat pump on the fridge in short bursts and left it closed to make sure the insulation remained, etc.

That's fairly believable, you can do that for quite a while with a standard car battery too (and people in the second and third world do so all the time on a more permanent basis as a backup system).  It's a matter of having the tools to adapt the power source and the expertise not to set yourself on fire doing so, not anything terribly fancy.

Honestly, even just plugging an inverter into the cigarette lighter and turning the ignition to standby would let you do most of what this guy did... though given the "don't try this at home" disclaimer I suspect he rewired the actual traction battery instead, which is a lot bigger oomph.
 
2014-01-06 06:07:50 AM
He spoke to his experience as a mechanic and warned others not to try using their car as a generator.

I love when people tell others they shouldn't do something. He obviously knows what everyone on Earths skill level is. Like when people say "it's harder than you think it is". Yeah? Tell me how hard I think it is since you seem to know.

/Also, fark you
 
2014-01-06 06:08:47 AM
Ummm, sorry to ask this, but I am from Florida and am not really familiar with this sort of thing, but he was in the middle of a FRIGGIN ICE STORM! Why did he need to run the refrigerator?
 
2014-01-06 06:26:30 AM

panda mcflu: Ummm, sorry to ask this, but I am from Florida and am not really familiar with this sort of thing, but he was in the middle of a FRIGGIN ICE STORM! Why did he need to run the refrigerator?


News Flash: People who live in cold climates have refrigerators to keep food from spoiling.
 
2014-01-06 06:33:44 AM

abhorrent1: panda mcflu: Ummm, sorry to ask this, but I am from Florida and am not really familiar with this sort of thing, but he was in the middle of a FRIGGIN ICE STORM! Why did he need to run the refrigerator?

News Flash: People who live in cold climates have refrigerators to keep food from spoiling.


It's too bad he didn't have access to any other ice-cold spaces that wouldn't have required power.
 
2014-01-06 06:34:15 AM
abhorrent1: News Flash: Its freezing outside and you use your precious battery power to run a refrigerator? I mean, I get that you might have quite a bit of stuff to move outside, but what am I missing? It would be like using my gennie to run the heater in July...
 
2014-01-06 07:16:22 AM

panda mcflu: abhorrent1: News Flash: Its freezing outside and you use your precious battery power to run a refrigerator? I mean, I get that you might have quite a bit of stuff to move outside, but what am I missing? It would be like using my gennie to run the heater in July...


Prank Call of Cthulhu: abhorrent1: panda mcflu: Ummm, sorry to ask this, but I am from Florida and am not really familiar with this sort of thing, but he was in the middle of a FRIGGIN ICE STORM! Why did he need to run the refrigerator?

News Flash: People who live in cold climates have refrigerators to keep food from spoiling.

It's too bad he didn't have access to any other ice-cold spaces that wouldn't have required power.



You can't just freeze everything in the refrigerator. Not everything freezes well and would be ruined.
 
2014-01-06 07:17:49 AM

Mr. Ekshun: Man uses Prius as generator during outage, now even more

smug smog Smaug

FTFY

FTFY
 
2014-01-06 07:34:24 AM
TinyFist:  And I had RATM blasting and was amped up. Wanted to rev it up a bit, but no, stupid Prius had me by like 100 car lengths.

Forget it now.
 
2014-01-06 07:37:37 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: abhorrent1: panda mcflu: Ummm, sorry to ask this, but I am from Florida and am not really familiar with this sort of thing, but he was in the middle of a FRIGGIN ICE STORM! Why did he need to run the refrigerator?

News Flash: People who live in cold climates have refrigerators to keep food from spoiling.

It's too bad he didn't have access to any other ice-cold spaces that wouldn't have required power.


The more important thing, depending on your heating method, is to be able to run your furnace and/or hot water heater.

I've got natural gas for both heat and hot water.  The hot water tank doesn't use mains electricity, the little bit it needs is generated with a thermocouple in the pilot light.

The furnace, on the other hand, is forced hot air, and it needs electricity to run the fans.  If I don't have electricity at the house, the heating system won't work.  So having the ability to run that furnace is important, especially when the temperature dips below zero.
 
2014-01-06 07:42:00 AM
What 3rd world country do you people live in that you ever lose power?

I've lost power twice in the past 10 years, both times for just a split second.  One was when they installed a new meter on my house and the other time was WTF, but it wasn't even long enough for all the clocks in my house to lose time.
 
2014-01-06 07:50:49 AM

gfid: What 3rd world country do you people live in that you ever lose power?

I've lost power twice in the past 10 years, both times for just a split second.  One was when they installed a new meter on my house and the other time was WTF, but it wasn't even long enough for all the clocks in my house to lose time.


Never experienced a major ice storm where you live?  Or ever had a really bad windstorm that knocked trees into powerlines?  Early heavy snowfall that breaks trees that still have leaves on them?

No tornadoes, hurricanes, nothing like that?
 
2014-01-06 07:54:49 AM

gfid: What 3rd world country do you people live in that you ever lose power?

I've lost power twice in the past 10 years, both times for just a split second.  One was when they installed a new meter on my house and the other time was WTF, but it wasn't even long enough for all the clocks in my house to lose time.


You're probably trolling but...
I've only lost power in my current house once in the last 8 years for a few hours. But if the power lines are above ground lots of things can happen. Ice storms, trees, squirrels, lightning, cars crashing into poles etc.. And in a lot of areas of the U.S., the infrastructure is old and just can't keep up with demand.
 
2014-01-06 08:19:54 AM

gfid: What 3rd world country do you people live in that you ever lose power?

I've lost power twice in the past 10 years, both times for just a split second.  One was when they installed a new meter on my house and the other time was WTF, but it wasn't even long enough for all the clocks in my house to lose time.



I have trouble believing you. All my utilities are underground but when a tornado ripped through the area a few years ago, power went out and was off for about 5 hours until the destroyed transformers and power grid could be patched back up. Ice storms knock out power systems, hurricanes definitely do, heck even a car crash at the wrong location can knock out power if it takes out a pole or transformer. I can't think of any part of the US where a generator wouldn't be useful in an emergency.
 
2014-01-06 08:31:43 AM

gfid: What 3rd world country do you people live in that you ever lose power?

I've lost power twice in the past 10 years, both times for just a split second.  One was when they installed a new meter on my house and the other time was WTF, but it wasn't even long enough for all the clocks in my house to lose time.


My power company (SCE) has had two or three scheduled eight hour outtages this past year, during the day and overnight while they "improve and update" their system for supplying the Calif high desert with power. Whether or not I'm in a third world country is debatable, I guess.
 
2014-01-06 08:41:57 AM
Used an invertor for a while after a storm knocked the power out.. had waited the entire day and into the late evening when I finally said to hell with it; pulled my vehicle over, hooked up the inverter, ran cord into the house, closed hood and locked up car with it still running.
Ran light, fan, tv, cable box so I could find out WTH was going on.

Grew tired of outages, including 13 hours followed by 12 hours on 100° days, consecutively, which ruined all my food (and, naturally, without so much of even a hint of a storm, the crooked power companies claim zero responsibility due to extremely bad weather and storms), so got a generator.... seriously paid off when without power for 1 day, then on for 6 hours then back off for 10 days straight after the derecho!!!!!!

/SAME EXACT MODEL I got as a floor model sale for $189, missing ONLY the manual and a 12v outlet plug (which I will seriously never use, and if ever did, I could make it 5 minutes flat), a woman at gas station was BRAGGING (this was during the power outage from derecho when everyone getting gas) that she finally got hers in and only paid $999.99.... literally about 3 or 4 months apart from same store LMAO
 
2014-01-06 08:42:21 AM

Gos2Slo: Last year, after a few days without power, I went to the hardware store and bought a couple 800w DC inverters. Put one on each battery of my diesel truck, ran a couple fat extension cords into the house, and idled my truck all day. Didnt pay attention to fuel consumption, but for about $150 worth of inverter I was running my fridge, freezer, laptop and a tv (with cable box and cable modem.) Best money I ever spent.


Yup... I have a 1,500 watt inverter installed in my work vehicle. I've used it a few times during outages to run my refrigerator, some lights, and whatever else.
 
2014-01-06 08:56:02 AM
Is bullshiat, the prius batteries don't work that way.
 
2014-01-06 09:01:03 AM
does this require a mod or is it a stock feature? i may just save for and buy one.
 
2014-01-06 09:03:30 AM
After the big one in 2003 I had a switch (with breakers) installed on my main outside connection panel with a huge ass 3 prong plug.  In the event of a prolonged outage I can cut the house from the power company, plug my generator in and use the main breaker panel in the basement to power any thing in the house I want.  Bought a cheap 6kw generator from Home Deopot for $450 or so on sale.

Other than the whole house AC I can run anything critical I want.  Both fridges, lights, furnace blower, outlets for TV/computers no problem.

The piece of mind for the little money I spent is worth it 100x over.  Sure you can have a natural gas fired, autostart genset put on for $5k+ but you can basically get almost the same functionality for 1/10th that if you actually plan ahead and get it done WHEN THERE ISNT A MAJOR POWER OUTAGE IN THE AREA!
 
2014-01-06 09:04:19 AM
Reading the headline I was worried that the guy back fed his house but atleast he did it the right way and just powered the important things.
 
2014-01-06 09:04:29 AM

Gos2Slo: Last year, after a few days without power, I went to the hardware store and bought a couple 800w DC inverters. Put one on each battery of my diesel truck, ran a couple fat extension cords into the house, and idled my truck all day. Didnt pay attention to fuel consumption, but for about $150 worth of inverter I was running my fridge, freezer, laptop and a tv (with cable box and cable modem.) Best money I ever spent.


I guarantee that you used less fuel volume per watt of energy provided than the guy ITFA. Diesels can idle for days. The only possible problem can arise if you draw more DC amps from the alternator than it is rated for. That would be a LOT of wattage.
 
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