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2014-01-06 05:58:18 AM
The biggest problem with most of these arguments?  Define "success".
 
2014-01-06 06:00:27 AM

karmachameleon: The biggest problem with most of these arguments?  Define "success".


The best revenge.
 
2014-01-06 06:24:00 AM

Practical_Draconian: Let's see who is missing here on her list of successful nationalities/religions ...

WASPs.

Irish.

Scandinavians.

French.

Italians.

Greeks.

Poles.

Russians.

Mexicans.

Vietnamese.

Koreans.

Japanese.

Christians.

Muslims.

...

(list goes on)

Yeah, Tiger Mom bit off more than she could chew.


OK, so she's wrong because she didn't have the correct racist list. Got it.

Though I sense a common theme that people have to live in USA to be OK. Just take Greeks, collectively farking up your country, and thus your offsprings future, isn't normally considered great parenting.
 
2014-01-06 06:36:21 AM
Y'know if she were to replace her eight ethnics groups with just white people she'd have a six figure job with Fox News in three seconds flat.
 
2014-01-06 06:42:25 AM
I dunno, if you believe in evolution this has merit. Or you're religious and think we are all created the same
 
2014-01-06 07:09:27 AM
This is the woman who in her first book tells how to raise kids but her daughters couldn't stand her and the youngest was quitting music etc.

So her methods don't even work for her.
 
2014-01-06 07:28:37 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: I dated a tiger mom once.

They say to never stick your dick in crazy but it is, on occasion, a really fun time.


People don't say that because it isn't fun, they say that because crazy women have a habit of turning into Lorena Bobbitt afterwards.
 
2014-01-06 07:36:26 AM

super_grass: Compare the America to Rome and you'll be greeted with sonnets of Rome's progressive feats of roads, sewers, law, and other cultural advancements made possible through strong government and taxes.


Yeah, but we gave the world McDonalds and drone-strikes.

/and maybe, just maybe, the first silicon transistor.
 
2014-01-06 07:54:13 AM
eh, she's half right. you need to be a hard drivin opinionated slavedriver half the time, but the other half you have to be mr rogers. calling a birthday card not good enough is biatchy. I saw clips recently of a lil white toddler shooting freethrows. jmmy kimmel had him beat shaq and tie kobe. it occurred to me, all the positive reinforcement will give enough motivation for a lifetime of practice and eventually career. the kid's greatest advantage, moreso than hes a toddler that can make shots now, is all that practice he'll be willing to do.
 
2014-01-06 08:10:47 AM
OK, I am going to go full racist and say that I never thought I would see impulse control and Nigerian in the same sentence.
 
2014-01-06 08:16:56 AM
The truth hurts, doesn't it libs?
 
2014-01-06 08:39:40 AM
She wrote that she called one of her two daughters 'garbage' for being rude and labeled a homemade birthday card as awful, telling her girl, 'I don't want this - I want another one.'

What a coont...

jmr61: WTF is a "tiger mom"?

Never heard that term.


You've heard of cougar MILFs before, right? Well, tiger moms are similar, but a bit more dangerous...
 
2014-01-06 08:41:13 AM
Yeah it's always good to get outraged over the first few pages and then not read the rest that would probably explain her position.  But yeah, headline outrage sells some papers so I guess she's just spreading some success for talkers.
 
2014-01-06 08:48:19 AM
I thought one of her books, World on Fire, was quite interesting and didn't send up any racist flags. I think I'll look a little deeper before writing her off.
 
2014-01-06 08:51:48 AM

lohphat: RexTalionis: As a Chinese person, I think she is full of shiat. And she and her ilk are why suicide rates among Asian kids are so high.

This.

The dysfunction I had with my mom, she inherited from hers and so on. It ended last month.

Being critical of your child is one thing if accompanied by constructive support; but praise was few and far between. Then she wondered why I didn't seek out her company as I got older. I needed to pursue my dreams without her. So much needless friction. My sister never recovered to be her own independent adult.

When your culture eats its own young, it's time to get another culture.


I have been married a Chinese woman and for more than 20 years. I have watched the mother tear up marriages, and just psychological destroy the son and daughter. Skip over the lack of compassion or warmth due to parents neutering such emotions early in life.

Both my wife and her brother the doctor are emotionally distance people,unable to trust or enjoy people.Both only have only superficial relationships.  I guess it's hard to relax ,when always under the looking glass and being tested.

As the "blue collar white guy 'foreigner' I made it clear that my kids are not going to be raised as organic robots.
I'll rather pay for guitar lessons and outward bound trip, than give the world one more uptight cube rat with an MBA.
 
2014-01-06 08:54:16 AM

zzrhardy: Generally the ABC's don't care what you think, their kids are doctors, dentists and lawyers. Yours are tattooed barristas with doctorates in medieval poetry/gender studies.


And I know who I would prefer to have a beer/bong with (and who I would prefer to take home with me :p
 
2014-01-06 08:56:31 AM
Total claptrap.  I do a ton of work with China and they're DEFINITELY no better than Americans.  The institutional corruption of even extremely important (things like safety and not totally destroying the environment and rendering billion dollar project unusable) tasks is unbelievable, and the total inability to form sophisticated thoughts is staggering.

In my experience their cultural learning system boils down to knowing everything they should, and understanding less than a fifth of it.
 
2014-01-06 09:00:02 AM

PiffMan420: ecmoRandomNumbers: RexTalionis: As a Chinese person, I think she is full of shiat. And she and her ilk are why suicide rates among Asian kids are so high.

And Mormons.

"Impulse Control" is a huge plus according to this classist twit. You don't get repression better than the Mormons.

Remember: If you're stuck a free thinking woman with desires outside the kitchen, an athiest or a homosexual.....turn it off!


At least Mormon women can spell......
 
2014-01-06 09:20:53 AM

RexTalionis: As a Chinese person, I think she is full of shiat. And she and her ilk are why suicide rates among Asian kids are so high.


She basically admitted after the first book that she was trying to write edgy, ironic humor.  "I was trying to be like Andy Sedaris!"

So don't take anything she says seriously.  In fact, don't listen to anything she has to say.  Just another self-promoting AW.
 
2014-01-06 09:25:59 AM

12349876: serial_crusher: Chinese are one of the top dogs.
The other seven are Jewish, Indian, Iranian, Lebanese-Americans, Nigerians, Cuban exiles and Mormons.
Clearly one of these groupings is a religion and by calling them 'cultural', never ethnic, racial or religious, Chau and her husband seek to avoid the hugely controversial criticism this would bring.

Fair claim in my book. Different cultures do things differently, some better than others.

Chinese, Indian, Iranian, and Nigerian all have way too many cultures to be lumped into one.  When you don't break that down, you're consciously or unconsciously using ethnic or racial groupings.


Indian American and Indian are actually very different cultures.....given that Indian Americans are a self-selected group in the first place.
 
2014-01-06 09:51:07 AM
While you rage, she's making bank.  Who's the fool here?
 
2014-01-06 09:51:19 AM

RexTalionis: As a Chinese person, I think she is full of shiat. And she and her ilk are why suicide rates among Asian kids are so high.


The chosen person and the Chua-san person?

Frankly, if they can't understand how deeply ingrained their own cultural biases are, they're beyond help.
 
2014-01-06 09:51:22 AM
the funny thing is that she's wrong.
 
2014-01-06 09:54:36 AM

Molavian: The answer is Jews.


I bet the Chus did this.
 
2014-01-06 09:58:49 AM

bingo the psych-o: Some religions are genuinely better than others.


I prefer "less comparatively crazy, delusional or prone to knocking on my door to enumerate my spiritual flaws while begging for money for their brand of holy spook".

"Better" is not the word I would use.
 
2014-01-06 09:59:13 AM

doglover: We're still talking about Rome as if they weren't a bunch of psychopathic, slave raping, rapacious warmongers...


You said rape twice.
 
2014-01-06 10:18:23 AM

happydude45: At least Mormon women can spell......


Most mormon women can't spell their own names.  This is because they're all called shiat like Rahynie with a sister named Stohrmie.
 
2014-01-06 10:46:13 AM

justaguy516: 12349876: serial_crusher: Chinese are one of the top dogs.
The other seven are Jewish, Indian, Iranian, Lebanese-Americans, Nigerians, Cuban exiles and Mormons.
Clearly one of these groupings is a religion and by calling them 'cultural', never ethnic, racial or religious, Chau and her husband seek to avoid the hugely controversial criticism this would bring.

Fair claim in my book. Different cultures do things differently, some better than others.

Chinese, Indian, Iranian, and Nigerian all have way too many cultures to be lumped into one.  When you don't break that down, you're consciously or unconsciously using ethnic or racial groupings.

Indian American and Indian are actually very different cultures.....given that Indian Americans are a self-selected group in the first place.



I don't see your point. Indian-american's are as much diverse in US as they are in India. While most of the tech folks come from South India, majority of the business people come from North/Gujarat. While hinduism keeps the folks united, there are big cultural differences in the areas.
 
2014-01-06 11:05:51 AM

the_foo: doglover: We're still talking about Rome as if they weren't a bunch of psychopathic, slave raping, rapacious warmongers...

You said rape twice.


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2014-01-06 11:56:12 AM

andhravodu: justaguy516: 12349876: serial_crusher: Chinese are one of the top dogs.
The other seven are Jewish, Indian, Iranian, Lebanese-Americans, Nigerians, Cuban exiles and Mormons.
Clearly one of these groupings is a religion and by calling them 'cultural', never ethnic, racial or religious, Chau and her husband seek to avoid the hugely controversial criticism this would bring.

Fair claim in my book. Different cultures do things differently, some better than others.

Chinese, Indian, Iranian, and Nigerian all have way too many cultures to be lumped into one.  When you don't break that down, you're consciously or unconsciously using ethnic or racial groupings.

Indian American and Indian are actually very different cultures.....given that Indian Americans are a self-selected group in the first place.


I don't see your point. Indian-american's are as much diverse in US as they are in India. While most of the tech folks come from South India, majority of the business people come from North/Gujarat. While hinduism keeps the folks united, there are big cultural differences in the areas.


Sure, there are subcultures that have their differences, but there are also enough commonalities that you can paint in broad strokes without losing too much accuracy.

Indians in general don't value personal space the way Americans do.  They will stand right in your face during a conversation.  Far as I can tell that's common across all of India.  Of course moving to the US and living among Americans makes you pick up our cultural norms after a while (unless you're socially inept like the devops guy I work with...)

Personal space is kind of trivial, but it's the one thing I feel confident saying as a constant (because I haven't really studied the subject matter that thoroughly).  An Indian guy I used to work with was appalled by the relationship Americans tend to have with their families.  We "leave the nest" when we grow up and don't really see our parents that regularly.  When they get old, they go to the old folks home and pay for it with their own money if they were fortunate enough to have saved it.  Parents don't want to be a burden to their children, and children rationalize that the professionals would provide better quality of care.

To this Indian, that was just bizarre.  Where he was from extended families would pool their resources together and it wasn't uncommon to have several generations living in the same house caring for extended relatives.  Even if you couldn't provide the same quality of care as a professional, it was your familial obligation, and not taking in your parents was seen as more of a failure than taking them in and doing a bad job of it would have been.  I'm not sure if that varies by different parts of India, but I got the impression that it was common.
 
2014-01-06 12:57:07 PM

Dwindle: Stop with the "racial" racebaiting.

She is talking about cultures, which have nothing to do with race, and their rate of success, which is quantifiable and undeniable.


Most of what she talks about is just pure immigrant self-selection stuff, though.

There are plenty of lazy layabout failures in Asia.  They are not the ones who immigrated anywhere.

Badgers: It's one thing to memorize tables and facts for an exam, but it's a whole different thing to come up with ideas of your own and implement them... That's why they're mass-producing products using our specifications and outright stealing our ideas to copy everything.


Ah yes. The good ol' "only white people are truly creative" meme?

PsiChick: Actually, in this case she may have a point--if you survive the massive mental health issues that come with feeling that you are both better  and worse than everyone else (in various ways--believing you have to live up to an impossible ideal, having imposter syndrome, etc.)  can actually make you a serious overachiever, in much the same way that locking children in death cages without enough food will produce the ultimate warriors: Messily, painfully, and sometimes explosively.


Yeah. I think she's aiming for that sweet spot where you think your ethnic group is superior so you should be naturally superior, but you think that YOU individually are falling behind.  "Imposter syndrome" indeed.

...which incidentally seems to occur more often in the kids of immigrants population.
 
2014-01-06 01:17:06 PM
I think she may have misspoke.  What Jews, the Chinese, Iranians, Arabs, and Nigerians have in common, is that they drive like sh*t.  I think that's what she meant to say.
 
2014-01-06 01:22:13 PM

Danger Avoid Death: karmachameleon: The biggest problem with most of these arguments?  Define "success".

The best revenge.


"It is not enough that I succeed. Others must fail." -- Gore Vidal
 
2014-01-06 01:33:41 PM

mjjt: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Peter von Nostrand: Tiger what? The golfer? Didn't he learn his lesson about pissing people off

No, this is Tiger's mom, or something. Writing a book about how to raise a pro-athlete, probably. Step 1) get knocked up by a black dude

styckx: Not kidding.. I don't know who this is.

This was her first book

Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother

A lot of you guys are doing exactly what you accuse Rush L et al of doing - making ad hominem attacks on someone when you haven't read the book; you've just reacted to a scrap of an article from a newspaper


That was her second book.  Her first book was World on Fire.

http://www.amazon.com/World-Fire-Exporting-Democracy-Instability/dp/ 03 85721862

She's less brain-dead than most of you.
 
2014-01-06 01:37:25 PM

RexTalionis: As a Chinese person, I think she is full of shiat. And she and her ilk are why suicide rates among Asian kids are so high.


As a white person, I think you're an idiot for thinking your ethnicity gives you special dibs to be heard on this topic.

You're also ignorant about suicide rates, which if you look past the cliches at actual data turn out to be low among Asian-Americans.

http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/suicide/statistics/rates02.htm l
 
2014-01-06 01:49:05 PM
Huh.  I've been fairly successful in life and my mom wasn't a raging coont.
Can't explain that
.

maybe your father was an asswipe?
 
2014-01-06 01:54:11 PM
The truth is always the biggest troll of all.
 
2014-01-06 03:54:17 PM

keypusher: As a white person, I think you're an idiot for thinking your ethnicity gives you special dibs to be heard on this topic.


I'm noting my ethnicity because I don't want people to think that the rest of us actually agree with this nutjob. So nuts to you, you jackass.

keypusher: You're also ignorant about suicide rates, which if you look past the cliches at actual data turn out to be low among Asian-Americans.


"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports the following statistics:

At 6.19, the suicide rate for Asians/Pacific Islanders of all ages was approximately half of the overall U.S. rate of 12.08.
Suicide was the 10th leading cause of death for Asians/Pacific Islanders and the 2nd leading cause of death for youth ages 15 to 24. "

http://www.sprc.org/sites/sprc.org/files/library/API%20Sheet%20Augus t% 2028%202013%20Final.pdf

"Poor academic achievement: Two studies of Asian college students in the United States found that poor academic performance and anxiety about performing well enough was a major risk factor for suicidal ideation.41, 42"

http://www.sprc.org/sites/sprc.org/files/library/API%20Sheet%20Augus t% 2028%202013%20Final.pdf

For the general population overall, suicide is the 3rd leading cause of death for youths ages 15-24. Among Asian-Americans of the sage age, it's the second leading cause of death.

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/10LCID_All_Deaths_By_Age_Group _2 010-a.pdf
 
2014-01-06 04:10:43 PM

shamalamadingdong: I think she may have misspoke.  What Jews, the Chinese, Iranians, Arabs, and Nigerians have in common, is that they drive like sh*t.  I think that's what she meant to say.


It's true. When I was in Taiwan, any time there was a car accident, odds are it was an Asian person driving.
 
2014-01-06 04:14:38 PM

RexTalionis: keypusher: As a white person, I think you're an idiot for thinking your ethnicity gives you special dibs to be heard on this topic.

I'm noting my ethnicity because I don't want people to think that the rest of us actually agree with this nutjob. So nuts to you, you jackass.

keypusher: You're also ignorant about suicide rates, which if you look past the cliches at actual data turn out to be low among Asian-Americans.

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports the following statistics:

At 6.19, the suicide rate for Asians/Pacific Islanders of all ages was approximately half of the overall U.S. rate of 12.08.
Suicide was the 10th leading cause of death for Asians/Pacific Islanders and the 2nd leading cause of death for youth ages 15 to 24. "

http://www.sprc.org/sites/sprc.org/files/library/API%20Sheet%20Augus t% 2028%202013%20Final.pdf

"Poor academic achievement: Two studies of Asian college students in the United States found that poor academic performance and anxiety about performing well enough was a major risk factor for suicidal ideation.41, 42"

http://www.sprc.org/sites/sprc.org/files/library/API%20Sheet%20Augus t% 2028%202013%20Final.pdf

For the general population overall, suicide is the 3rd leading cause of death for youths ages 15-24. Among Asian-Americans of the sage age, it's the second leading cause of death.

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/10LCID_All_Deaths_By_Age_Group _2 010-a.pdf


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2014-01-06 04:48:21 PM

serial_crusher: andhravodu: justaguy516: 12349876: serial_crusher: Chinese are one of the top dogs.
The other seven are Jewish, Indian, Iranian, Lebanese-Americans, Nigerians, Cuban exiles and Mormons.
Clearly one of these groupings is a religion and by calling them 'cultural', never ethnic, racial or religious, Chau and her husband seek to avoid the hugely controversial criticism this would bring.

Fair claim in my book. Different cultures do things differently, some better than others.

Chinese, Indian, Iranian, and Nigerian all have way too many cultures to be lumped into one.  When you don't break that down, you're consciously or unconsciously using ethnic or racial groupings.

Indian American and Indian are actually very different cultures.....given that Indian Americans are a self-selected group in the first place.


I don't see your point. Indian-american's are as much diverse in US as they are in India. While most of the tech folks come from South India, majority of the business people come from North/Gujarat. While hinduism keeps the folks united, there are big cultural differences in the areas.

Sure, there are subcultures that have their differences, but there are also enough commonalities that you can paint in broad strokes without losing too much accuracy.

Indians in general don't value personal space the way Americans do.  They will stand right in your face during a conversation.  Far as I can tell that's common across all of India.  Of course moving to the US and living among Americans makes you pick up our cultural norms after a while (unless you're socially inept like the devops guy I work with...)

Personal space is kind of trivial, but it's the one thing I feel confident saying as a constant (because I haven't really studied the subject matter that thoroughly).  An Indian guy I used to work with was appalled by the relationship Americans tend to have with their families.  We "leave the nest" when we grow up and don't really see our parents that regularly.  When they get old, they go to the old folks home and pay for it with their own money if they were fortunate enough to have saved it.  Parents don't want to be a burden to their children, and children rationalize that the professionals would provide better quality of care.

To this Indian, that was just bizarre.  Where he was from extended families would pool their resources together and it wasn't uncommon to have several generations living in the same house caring for extended relatives.  Even if you couldn't provide the same quality of care as a professional, it was your familial obligation, and not taking in your parents was seen as more of a failure than taking them in and doing a bad job of it would have been.  I'm not sure if that varies by different parts of India, but I got the impression that it was common.


Your point is that Indians are culturally the same because they expect the family to provide elder care?

Pretty much this is the norm in every 3rd world country that does not have govt-funded healthcare. Many relatively prosperous countries care for elderly in the home as well.

America is the anomaly in that regard, not Indians.

I live in an area with a lot of Indians, and immigrants in general, and i disagree with your personal space generalization.

I've found white American men to be much more boorish in taking up a lot of space than Asians in general. Frankly, i prefer to work with Asian men partially for that reason.
 
2014-01-06 05:16:57 PM

RexTalionis: keypusher: As a white person, I think you're an idiot for thinking your ethnicity gives you special dibs to be heard on this topic.

I'm noting my ethnicity because I don't want people to think that the rest of us actually agree with this nutjob. So nuts to you, you jackass.

keypusher: You're also ignorant about suicide rates, which if you look past the cliches at actual data turn out to be low among Asian-Americans.

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports the following statistics:

At 6.19, the suicide rate for Asians/Pacific Islanders of all ages was approximately half of the overall U.S. rate of 12.08.
Suicide was the 10th leading cause of death for Asians/Pacific Islanders and the 2nd leading cause of death for youth ages 15 to 24. "

http://www.sprc.org/sites/sprc.org/files/library/API%20Sheet%20Augus t% 2028%202013%20Final.pdf

"Poor academic achievement: Two studies of Asian college students in the United States found that poor academic performance and anxiety about performing well enough was a major risk factor for suicidal ideation.41, 42"

http://www.sprc.org/sites/sprc.org/files/library/API%20Sheet%20Augus t% 2028%202013%20Final.pdf

For the general population overall, suicide is the 3rd leading cause of death for youths ages 15-24. Among Asian-Americans of the sage age, it's the second leading cause of death.

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/10LCID_All_Deaths_By_Age_Group _2 010-a.pdf


And if you turn to the second page of the report you linked to, you see the following.

The suicide rate for Asian-American men aged 15-24 is 10.41.  The suicide rate for American men 15-24 overall is 16.90.

So the suicide rate for Asian American men aged 15-24 is LOWER than the suicide rate for American men aged 15-24.

The suicide rate for Asian-American women aged 15-24 is 3.42.  The suicide rate for American women 15-24 overall is 3.89.

So the suicide rate for Asian American women aged 15-24 is LOWER than the suicide rate for American women aged 15-24.

It follows that suicide is less common among Asian-Americans aged 15-24 than in the population as a whole aged 15-24.

RobSeace:

Someone got told, alright.
 
2014-01-06 05:32:17 PM

keypusher: And if you turn to the second page of the report you linked to, you see the following.


Okay, fine. Maybe I was wrong with regards to the suicide rate. You're still way off base accusing me of using my ethnicity as a qualification for an opinion. And you're still a jackass.
 
2014-01-06 05:45:47 PM

RexTalionis: keypusher: And if you turn to the second page of the report you linked to, you see the following.

Okay, fine. Maybe I was wrong with regards to the suicide rate. You're still way off base accusing me of using my ethnicity as a qualification for an opinion. And you're still a jackass.


Noted.  Here's how you began this thread.

As a Chinese person, I think she is full of shiat. And she and her ilk are why suicide rates among Asian kids are so high.

You're an ignorant jackass.
 
2014-01-06 06:06:59 PM

keypusher: RexTalionis: keypusher: And if you turn to the second page of the report you linked to, you see the following.

Okay, fine. Maybe I was wrong with regards to the suicide rate. You're still way off base accusing me of using my ethnicity as a qualification for an opinion. And you're still a jackass.

Noted.  Here's how you began this thread.

As a Chinese person, I think she is full of shiat. And she and her ilk are why suicide rates among Asian kids are so high.

You're an ignorant jackass.


Ignore bait. You win. Buh bye.
 
2014-01-06 09:06:12 PM

o'really: Your point is that Indians are culturally the same because they expect the family to provide elder care?

Pretty much this is the norm in every 3rd world country that does not have govt-funded healthcare. Many relatively prosperous countries care for elderly in the home as well.


Well, my only point was that you can draw lines at a national level on some attributes, and gave an example of a case where most Americans would fall into one school of thought and most Indians would fall into another.  Saying that it's Americans who are unique from the rest of the world only confirms my point by successfully grouping all the subsets of Americans into the big set of parent-neglecting heathens that we are.
 
2014-01-06 09:15:05 PM

Dwindle: Stop with the "racial" racebaiting.

She is talking about cultures, which have nothing to do with race, and their rate of success, which is quantifiable and undeniable.

Lebanese Americans are, as a group, the most successful people in the country and it is foolish to refuse to question why.

Some ideas work better than others, stop trying to use "equality" to explain peoples mediocrity.


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2014-01-06 09:21:56 PM

keypusher: And if you turn to the second page of the report you linked to, you see the following.


I was going to say that until I turned to page 3 of that report, which finally has this chart ("high school youths" specifically, not the 15-24 demographic above):

In the past year, have you:
Had Serious Thoughts Of Suicide?  Asians: 18.9% ; Hawaiian/Pacific Islanders: 16.7% ; Total US: 15.8%
Made Suicide Plans? 14.4% ; 13.4% ; 12.8%
Attempted Suicide? 10.8% ; 9.9% ; 7.8%


So there are a few possible reasons for the discrepancy:
- Asians are only suicidal when they're in high school and have their parents pressuring them, or
- Asian teens are more likely to attempt suicide, but are less successful at it (using a suicide attempt as a calculated cry for help, not intent on actually dying)
 
2014-01-06 09:36:47 PM
If Chinese culture is superior, why does Chinese opera sound like cats farking?  White people opera sounds like Carmen and The Magic Flute.  And is there a Chinese Duke Ellington?
 
2014-01-06 09:43:10 PM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: If Chinese culture is superior, why does Chinese opera sound like cats farking?  White people opera sounds like Carmen and The Magic Flute.  And is there a Chinese Duke Ellington?


Yes, but neither holds a candle to Klingon Opera
 
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