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(Daily Mail)   Tiger Mom, not having pissed off enough people with her first book, has written a new book about how some ethnic and religious groups are inherently better than others   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 204
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2014-01-05 08:29:58 PM
As a Chinese person, I think she is full of shiat. And she and her ilk are why suicide rates among Asian kids are so high.
 
2014-01-05 08:30:52 PM
Go away.
Please.
Just go away.
 
2014-01-05 08:42:14 PM
A Chinese racist? That's like trying to accuse the Japanese for being racist.

Which, my mother's people are...
 
2014-01-05 08:49:40 PM
Tiger what? The golfer? Didn't he learn his lesson about pissing people off
 
2014-01-05 09:05:11 PM
If she's so superior, why is she constantly beset by the questionable cause family of fallacies?
 
2014-01-05 09:07:36 PM
Chinese are one of the top dogs.
The other seven are Jewish, Indian, Iranian, Lebanese-Americans, Nigerians, Cuban exiles and Mormons.
Clearly one of these groupings is a religion and by calling them 'cultural', never ethnic, racial or religious, Chau and her husband seek to avoid the hugely controversial criticism this would bring.


Fair claim in my book.  Different cultures do things differently, some better than others.

When it comes to parenting, most kids I knew who came from the backgrounds she mentioned had crazy overbearing parents who pushed them too hard.  Not quite my idea of stellar parenting.  I'd probably come up with a different list.
To their credit though, the kids who didn't grow up with severe mental health issues are now all successful doctors/lawyers and respected members of their communities.  Social Darwinism in action I guess.
 
2014-01-05 09:09:35 PM
The fact that people like this woman are famous and are also given a soap box on which to promote their tripe is proof that there is no God.
 
2014-01-05 09:22:15 PM

serial_crusher: Chinese are one of the top dogs.
The other seven are Jewish, Indian, Iranian, Lebanese-Americans, Nigerians, Cuban exiles and Mormons.
Clearly one of these groupings is a religion and by calling them 'cultural', never ethnic, racial or religious, Chau and her husband seek to avoid the hugely controversial criticism this would bring.

Fair claim in my book.  Different cultures do things differently, some better than others.

When it comes to parenting, most kids I knew who came from the backgrounds she mentioned had crazy overbearing parents who pushed them too hard.  Not quite my idea of stellar parenting.  I'd probably come up with a different list.
To their credit though, the kids who didn't grow up with severe mental health issues are now all successful doctors/lawyers and respected members of their communities.  Social Darwinism in action I guess.


That's one definition of success I suppose....give birth to a litter of children, ram them thru a brutal training program and the ones that survive are given all the rewards that sucess brings. But..dont the parents still have a responsibility to the kids that don't make the cut? I guess we could do as the Spartans did and abandon the shattered twisted gibbering husks of failed kids on a mountaintop to die a slow death from exposure, but I think we'd also lose the ability to claim we were in any way civilized.
 
2014-01-05 09:37:48 PM
Nigerians, eh? So I should help that prince move his money?
 
2014-01-05 09:49:57 PM

RexTalionis: As a Chinese person, I think she is full of shiat. And she and her ilk are why suicide rates among Asian kids are so high.


And Mormons.
 
2014-01-05 10:13:11 PM
She chooses three ethnic cultures which put a very high emphasis on success and five repressive societies that would count their blessings to be here.

She makes a fair point
 
2014-01-05 10:24:30 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-01-05 10:24:47 PM
Huh.  I've been fairly successful in life and my mom wasn't a raging coont.

Can't explain that.
 
2014-01-05 10:48:34 PM
And of course she and her husband are both among the "superior" groups.  Color me shocked.
 
2014-01-05 11:01:03 PM
Tiger, tiger, burning bright
With the racists of the night,
What immoral hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful bigotry?
 
2014-01-05 11:13:17 PM
I love that she lists having a sense of superiority as one of the things that makes these groups successful.  Because we all know that one ethnic group feeling superior to others always works out so well for everyone.
 
2014-01-05 11:19:42 PM
I don't think it should come as a surprise to anyone that this woman is a horrible person.
 
2014-01-05 11:21:47 PM

serial_crusher: To their credit though, the kids who didn't grow up with severe mental health issues are now all successful doctors/lawyers and respected members of their communities.


You just described two populations that are rife with substance abuse problems and that's just the appetizer.
 
2014-01-05 11:34:08 PM
Y'alls gettin' trolled.
 
2014-01-05 11:43:13 PM

RexTalionis: As a Chinese person, I think she is full of shiat. And she and her ilk are why suicide rates among Asian kids are so high.


She's just pissed off because she didn't have any sons.
 
2014-01-05 11:45:12 PM
Better call Saul.
 
2014-01-05 11:45:57 PM
I remember reading somewhere that only white people could be racist. Has the internet led me astray yet again?
 
2014-01-05 11:47:36 PM

jake_lex: I love that she lists having a sense of superiority as one of the things that makes these groups successful.  Because we all know that one ethnic group feeling superior to others always works out so well for everyone.


Well, for them at any rate.

We're still talking about Rome as if they weren't a bunch of psychopathic, slave raping, rapacious warmongers so hopped up on unwatered wine and lead poisoning they didn't even care as they blighted the entirety of Europe repeatedly for more than a 1000 years with blood, pain, and death. Why? Because they wrote stuff down like "Rome is a pretty cool guy. He kills Gauls and doesn't afraid of anything." in their books and those same books became the foundation of our history.
 
2014-01-05 11:50:17 PM
Big deal some dumb broad thinks she is special. Put her to work at a mine, farm, oil patch or any other area where she has to produce results as opposed to running her mouth and we will see how superior she is
 
2014-01-05 11:51:12 PM
"A superiority complex: Chau believes that any cultural group who innately thinks they are just better than others has an advantage."

So...some sort of master race...rule for a thousand years?
"
 
2014-01-05 11:51:46 PM

hubiestubert: A Chinese racist? That's like trying to accuse the Japanese for being racist.

Which, my mother's people are...


Well of course the Chinese and Japanese believe each other to be subhuman ogres...

Can we at least agree that some groups of people are WORSE, though? I'm thinking of cross-burning trailer trash meth heads who are Christian in name only, for a start.

/fully expect to now hear all the great things those folk did
//since my uncle can explain how Hitler wasn't all bad, and my wife can explain how Idi Amin was misunderstood...
 
2014-01-05 11:52:26 PM

RexTalionis: As a Chinese person, I think she is full of shiat. And she and her ilk are why suicide rates among Asian kids are so high.


Gotta make room for their betters so they don't bring down the curve.
 
2014-01-05 11:52:52 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Tiger what? The golfer? Didn't he learn his lesson about pissing people off


No, this is Tiger's mom, or something. Writing a book about how to raise a pro-athlete, probably. Step 1) get knocked up by a black dude
 
2014-01-05 11:53:43 PM

dbirchall: my uncle can explain how Hitler wasn't all bad, and my wife can explain how Idi Amin was misunderstood


Go on....
 
2014-01-05 11:53:48 PM
Not kidding.. I don't know who this is.


/who?
 
2014-01-05 11:54:32 PM

styckx: Not kidding.. I don't know who this is.


/who?


Run, run while you still can
 
2014-01-05 11:54:41 PM
Stop with the "racial" racebaiting.

She is talking about cultures, which have nothing to do with race, and their rate of success, which is quantifiable and undeniable.

Lebanese Americans are, as a group, the most successful people in the country and it is foolish to refuse to question why.

Some ideas work better than others, stop trying to use "equality" to explain peoples mediocrity.
 
2014-01-05 11:54:46 PM
I've read a couple of excerpts from the book, and all I can say about that article is that doesn't really get what she and her husband wrote right.
 
2014-01-05 11:55:41 PM

Lucky LaRue: Y'alls gettin' trolled.


Just the people that didn`t make it on her list.
 
2014-01-05 11:58:33 PM
I dated a tiger mom once.

They say to never stick your dick in crazy but it is, on occasion, a really fun time.
 
2014-01-06 12:00:59 AM
If Earl was still alive he would keep her in line.
 
2014-01-06 12:01:34 AM

hubiestubert: A Chinese racist?


That's lacist!
 
2014-01-06 12:04:43 AM

RexTalionis: As a Chinese person, I think she is full of shiat. And she and her ilk are why suicide rates among Asian kids are so high.


This.

The dysfunction I had with my mom, she inherited from hers and so on. It ended last month.

Being critical of your child is one thing if accompanied by constructive support; but praise was few and far between. Then she wondered why I didn't seek out her company as I got older. I needed to pursue my dreams without her. So much needless friction. My sister never recovered to be her own independent adult.

When your culture eats its own young, it's time to get another culture.
 
2014-01-06 12:06:11 AM
The answer is Jews.
 
2014-01-06 12:06:40 AM

serial_crusher: Chinese are one of the top dogs.
The other seven are Jewish, Indian, Iranian, Lebanese-Americans, Nigerians, Cuban exiles and Mormons.
Clearly one of these groupings is a religion and by calling them 'cultural', never ethnic, racial or religious, Chau and her husband seek to avoid the hugely controversial criticism this would bring.

Fair claim in my book. Different cultures do things differently, some better than others.


Chinese, Indian, Iranian, and Nigerian all have way too many cultures to be lumped into one.  When you don't break that down, you're consciously or unconsciously using ethnic or racial groupings.
 
2014-01-06 12:07:03 AM
The "racial realist" bullshiat is nothing new and I hope this twat gets destroyed by the mainstreme press.
 
2014-01-06 12:09:02 AM

Molavian: The answer is Jews.


Would that be the answer to the Jewish Question?
 
2014-01-06 12:10:28 AM
When they came for the communists, I said nothing, for I was not a communist.
When they came for the trade unionists, I said nothing, for I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the crazy people, I said nothing, for I was not a crazy person, but they said, no, no, you're in the right line alright, just keep going down that way...
 
2014-01-06 12:10:40 AM
Hurry up and buy!!!
 
2014-01-06 12:11:00 AM
I'd have to see some excepts from the book before I condemn it.  People tend to get kneejerk  angry over silly things, and I don't trust such people's opinions in general.

Certainly some people claim American culture is inferior to some other comparative culture x.  This is a direct statement that some culture x is superior.  And to be honest it is often the self-identified enlightened progressives who make such claims.  So apparently they  do believe a national culture can be superior to others.    Many on fark for example.

It's PC for me to question those attacking her, sinceI'm part of the inferior cultures in her opinion, lol.
 
2014-01-06 12:11:17 AM

12349876: serial_crusher: Chinese are one of the top dogs.
The other seven are Jewish, Indian, Iranian, Lebanese-Americans, Nigerians, Cuban exiles and Mormons.
Clearly one of these groupings is a religion and by calling them 'cultural', never ethnic, racial or religious, Chau and her husband seek to avoid the hugely controversial criticism this would bring.

Fair claim in my book. Different cultures do things differently, some better than others.

Chinese, Indian, Iranian, and Nigerian all have way too many cultures to be lumped into one.  When you don't break that down, you're consciously or unconsciously using ethnic or racial groupings.


Just because you look sound and smell like someone does not actually mean you are anything like them.


lumping people together by culture is stupid. Look at your old white straight conservative neighbour to your right and your gay liberal young neighbour to your right.

Same birthplace culture religion and upbringing.
yet totally different in every way.
 
2014-01-06 12:11:33 AM
IIRC, her first book was about her transformation from being an overbearing biatch of a parent to someone who learned from her mistakes over time becoming more mature, and less overbearing in her parenting style, and the Wall Street Journal excerpt was taken way out of context.

...so I'm going to take what's written here in the Mail with a grain of salt large enough to satisfy a horse's licking needs.
 
2014-01-06 12:12:15 AM
www.battleswarmblog.com

/A third-generation Japanese-American friend committed suicide this past Halloween because his parents were so unrelentingly disappointed in him, despite he basically supporting them and his siblings.
//They covered it up for a month saying he was out of town, until his brother finally broke the news.
///Via text from his old phone.
/Good luck in your old age, Tiger Biatch.
 
2014-01-06 12:12:17 AM
Fair number of folks in Hong Kong believe in some variation of what Tiger Mom preaches even before Tiger Mom became known - both the locals and a good number of the foreign expats. I also have in-laws like this. The whole overriding desire for money, academic/career success, etc., at the expense of normal social/family relationships.

And such attitudes go hand in hand with racist attitude toward various other Asians and ethnicities.

It's really quite unpleasant to talk to such people.
 
2014-01-06 12:12:39 AM

Dwindle: Stop with the "racial" racebaiting.

She is talking about cultures, which have nothing to do with race, and their rate of success, which is quantifiable and undeniable.

Lebanese Americans are, as a group, the most successful people in the country and it is foolish to refuse to question why.

Some ideas work better than others, stop trying to use "equality" to explain peoples mediocrity.


upload.wikimedia.org

Did you read that on a bumper sticker at the Army/Navy store?
 
2014-01-06 12:14:09 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Peter von Nostrand: Tiger what? The golfer? Didn't he learn his lesson about pissing people off

No, this is Tiger's mom, or something. Writing a book about how to raise a pro-athlete, probably. Step 1) get knocked up by a black dude


styckx: Not kidding.. I don't know who this is.


This was her first book

Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother

A lot of you guys are doing exactly what you accuse Rush L et al of doing - making ad hominem attacks on someone when you haven't read the book; you've just reacted to a scrap of an article from a newspaper
 
2014-01-06 12:14:19 AM
Who cares what some terrible driver has to say...
 
2014-01-06 12:14:38 AM
Children are people, not vanity projects. If they learn nothing else, the one thing I sincerely hope my children learn from me is to not regret anything. There's no point in being alive if you can't be happy with yourself.
 
2014-01-06 12:15:14 AM
The members of the groups she mentioned tend to be very insular and consider themselves better than others by way of membership in that group.

You know, self-righteous, bigoted, racist assholes.
 
2014-01-06 12:15:29 AM

SirEattonHogg: Fair number of folks in Hong Kong believe in some variation of what Tiger Mom preaches even before Tiger Mom became known - both the locals and a good number of the foreign expats. I also have in-laws like this. The whole overriding desire for money, academic/career success, etc., at the expense of normal social/family relationships.

And such attitudes go hand in hand with racist attitude toward various other Asians and ethnicities.

It's really quite unpleasant to talk to such people.


Bingo.

The old school wealthy in HK are so materialistic is why their sense of "class" is so cheesy and gaudy and superficial, they're dreary to be around. It's difficult to find a grounded evenly keeled person that's not a drop-forged cog.
 
2014-01-06 12:16:10 AM
Some religions are genuinely better than others.  Some cultures also have habits that lend themselves towards a successful lifestyle.

This doesn't mean she isn't bat-guano crazy.
 
2014-01-06 12:16:43 AM

jake_lex: I love that she lists having a sense of superiority as one of the things that makes these groups successful.  Because we all know that one ethnic group feeling superior to others always works out so well for everyone.


The mating call of the trust-fund generation.
 
2014-01-06 12:17:25 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: RexTalionis: As a Chinese person, I think she is full of shiat. And she and her ilk are why suicide rates among Asian kids are so high.

And Mormons.


"Impulse Control" is a huge plus according to this classist twit. You don't get repression better than the Mormons.

Remember: If you're stuck a free thinking woman with desires outside the kitchen, an athiest or a homosexual.....turn it off!
 
2014-01-06 12:18:34 AM
If the Chinese culture breeds such success, then why is China such a shiathole?
 
2014-01-06 12:19:58 AM
Their argument seems backward and racist to me.
For the Chinese, there's a tradition of scholarship that goes back thirteen hundred years. The way to get ahead was to be a scholar. (Of course, the children of scholars had an advantage.)
For Jews, the same tradition of scholarship applies. There's even a blessing we recite upon seeing an outstanding scholar. In addition, Jews were denied the ability to work in professions and even entire sectors of the economy for hundreds of years.
The British introduced a merit-based bureaucracy system in the nineteenth century. It was modeled on the Chinese civil service system and became an escape from the caste system.
Educated Persians who escaped the Islamic Revolution (and, before that, the repressive Iranian regime), from a culture where the difference between the written language of scholarship and the language of the streets makes them mutually incomprehensible? How is this much different from the Chinese culture?

Then, of course, there's this glaring hole in their argument: Statistically speaking, the best way to become a millionaire is to choose the right parents.
 
2014-01-06 12:20:11 AM

bingo the psych-o: Some religions are genuinely better than others.  Some cultures also have habits that lend themselves towards a successful lifestyle.

This doesn't mean she isn't bat-guano crazy.


So what you're saying is that some people are just better than others?

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2014-01-06 12:20:16 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Peter von Nostrand: Tiger what? The golfer? Didn't he learn his lesson about pissing people off

No, this is Tiger's mom, or something. Writing a book about how to raise a pro-athlete, probably. Step 1) get knocked up by a black dude


But a black pro golfer? That's about as likely as a black pro hockey player.
 
2014-01-06 12:20:58 AM

mjjt: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Peter von Nostrand: Tiger what? The golfer? Didn't he learn his lesson about pissing people off

No, this is Tiger's mom, or something. Writing a book about how to raise a pro-athlete, probably. Step 1) get knocked up by a black dude

styckx: Not kidding.. I don't know who this is.

This was her first book

Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother

A lot of you guys are doing exactly what you accuse Rush L et al of doing - making ad hominem attacks on someone when you haven't read the book; you've just reacted to a scrap of an article from a newspaper


Rush? That prog rock band from Canada?
 
2014-01-06 12:21:25 AM
"Haw!  I tr0llz0z jo0!" #923845.  U give me munny nao!
 
2014-01-06 12:22:36 AM
WTF is a "tiger mom"?

Never heard that term.
 
2014-01-06 12:23:02 AM

ScaryBottles: bingo the psych-o: Some religions are genuinely better than others.  Some cultures also have habits that lend themselves towards a successful lifestyle.

This doesn't mean she isn't bat-guano crazy.

So what you're saying is that some people are just better than others?

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Some people are better than others, yes.  Can you think of no one that is worse off than yourself?
 
2014-01-06 12:23:21 AM
Uhh according to TFA, the focus is on culture not race.

Good job with the trolling there, subby!

I personally like diversity for it's own sake, because although we know genius when we see it after a lifetime of work, there is no predicting exactly where it will come from.
 
2014-01-06 12:24:04 AM
Let's see who is missing here on her list of successful nationalities/religions ...

WASPs.

Irish.

Scandinavians.

French.

Italians.

Greeks.

Poles.

Russians.

Mexicans.

Vietnamese.

Koreans.

Japanese.

Christians.

Muslims.

...

(list goes on)

Yeah, Tiger Mom bit off more than she could chew.
 
2014-01-06 12:24:13 AM

jmr61: WTF is a "tiger mom"?

Never heard that term.


I think it's Tiger Balm for women, or something
 
2014-01-06 12:24:37 AM
Frankly, I'd rather have happy and contented kids than rich and successful ones.
 
2014-01-06 12:25:09 AM

bingo the psych-o: ScaryBottles: bingo the psych-o: Some religions are genuinely better than others.  Some cultures also have habits that lend themselves towards a successful lifestyle.

This doesn't mean she isn't bat-guano crazy.

So what you're saying is that some people are just better than others?

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Some people are better than others, yes.  Can you think of no one that is worse off than yourself?


Hmmm.... that doesn't read right.  What I meant to ask is is there no one that you can think of that isn't as good a person as yourself?  It's probably safe to say that you are a better person than (your stupid GIF of) Hitler.
 
2014-01-06 12:25:37 AM

bingo the psych-o: Some people are better than others, yes.  Can you think of no one that is worse off than yourself?


Heck I can think of entire populations that are worse off then I....oops....that's what got everyone so pissed off isn't it.
 
2014-01-06 12:25:47 AM
FTA: Straying into controversial territory, Chau and her husband say that African-Americans don't make the list because the Civil Rights Movement destroyed their chance of any superiority.
'In this paradoxical sense, equality isn't fair to African-Americans,' they write.


Well if this book flops, at least Chua can get a role on Duck Dynasty
 
2014-01-06 12:26:12 AM

jmr61: WTF is a "tiger mom"?

Never heard that term.


www.jokideo.com
 
2014-01-06 12:27:00 AM

jmr61: WTF is a "tiger mom"?

Never heard that term.


It's like Icy Hot. Make sure to keep it away from your balls.
 
2014-01-06 12:30:10 AM

bingo the psych-o: ScaryBottles: bingo the psych-o: Some religions are genuinely better than others.  Some cultures also have habits that lend themselves towards a successful lifestyle.

This doesn't mean she isn't bat-guano crazy.

So what you're saying is that some people are just better than others?

[gifs.gifbin.com image 112x184]

Some people are better than others, yes.  Can you think of no one that is worse off than yourself?


Well for starters you and this dumbass author. I just don't get how people like you never see how stupid and bigoted shiat like this is. Yeah some people are better than others on an individual basis but they don't start out that way and going any further than that is racist. So save your bullshiat for your sisterfarking buddies over at the derp republic.
 
2014-01-06 12:32:51 AM
What the hell? Fark accusing a non-white person of being given racist. Has the whole world gone mad?
 
2014-01-06 12:32:56 AM
From TFA: Straying into controversial territory, Chau and her husband say that African-Americans don't make the list because the Civil Rights Movement destroyed their chance of any superiority.

'In this paradoxical sense, equality isn't fair to African-Americans,' they write.

'Superiority is the one narrative that America has relentlessly denied or ground out of its black population.'



So if not for the Civil Rights Movement...we could've gotten in on this superiority thing too? Damn you Grandma and Grandpa! You should've just ignored Jim Crow and told all those white folks that we are the superior culture. That would've gone over well.
 
2014-01-06 12:33:51 AM
AW acts like AW for the sole purpose of driving up sales for her "more advice I pulled outta my ass" book.
/Here's Tom with the weather
 
2014-01-06 12:39:20 AM

jmr61: WTF is a "tiger mom"?

Never heard that term.


Google "Bodil Joensen".
 
2014-01-06 12:39:28 AM

baconbeard: What the hell? Fark accusing a non-white person of being given racist. Has the whole world gone mad?


Because of the trolltastic fark headline.  If the headline had instead said that she wrote a book about how western whites are inferior to immigrants (which would be an equally accurate interpretation), fark would be licking her boots and asking for autographs.
 
2014-01-06 12:40:09 AM
Tiger mom? Is that like the God lady from Wife Swap or something?
 
2014-01-06 12:41:32 AM

wesmon: If the Chinese culture breeds such success, then why is China such a shiathole?


It's one thing to memorize tables and facts for an exam, but it's a whole different thing to come up with ideas of your own and implement them... That's why they're mass-producing products using our specifications and outright stealing our ideas to copy everything.
 
2014-01-06 12:42:04 AM

hubiestubert: A Chinese racist? That's like trying to accuse the Japanese for being racist.

Which, my mother's people are...


Your mother's people accuse the Japanese of being racist?
 
2014-01-06 12:43:13 AM

ScaryBottles: bingo the psych-o: ScaryBottles: bingo the psych-o: Some religions are genuinely better than others.  Some cultures also have habits that lend themselves towards a successful lifestyle.

This doesn't mean she isn't bat-guano crazy.

So what you're saying is that some people are just better than others?

[gifs.gifbin.com image 112x184]

Some people are better than others, yes.  Can you think of no one that is worse off than yourself?

Well for starters you and this dumbass author. I just don't get how people like you never see how stupid and bigoted shiat like this is. Yeah some people are better than others on an individual basis but they don't start out that way and going any further than that is racist. So save your bullshiat for your sisterfarking buddies over at the derp republic.


So, if I, a white person, believe that there are some aspects of Chinese culture that are better than corresponding aspects of white American culture, I am racist against white people?

Well, at least now I know why I hate myself.
 
2014-01-06 12:46:19 AM

jtown: hubiestubert: A Chinese racist? That's like trying to accuse the Japanese for being racist.

Which, my mother's people are...

Your mother's people accuse the Japanese of being racist?


That whole Rape of Nanking thing might have had something to do with it.
 
2014-01-06 12:47:02 AM

Practical_Draconian: Irish.


And why do you think they're missing?

wwwcdn.channel5.com
 
2014-01-06 12:47:21 AM

stilted: ScaryBottles: bingo the psych-o: ScaryBottles: bingo the psych-o: Some religions are genuinely better than others.  Some cultures also have habits that lend themselves towards a successful lifestyle.

This doesn't mean she isn't bat-guano crazy.

So what you're saying is that some people are just better than others?

[gifs.gifbin.com image 112x184]

Some people are better than others, yes.  Can you think of no one that is worse off than yourself?

Well for starters you and this dumbass author. I just don't get how people like you never see how stupid and bigoted shiat like this is. Yeah some people are better than others on an individual basis but they don't start out that way and going any further than that is racist. So save your bullshiat for your sisterfarking buddies over at the derp republic.

So, if I, a white person, believe that there are some aspects of Chinese culture that are better than corresponding aspects of white American culture, I am racist against white people?

Well, at least now I know why I hate myself.


vivianpaige.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-06 12:50:27 AM
Just because it's racist, doesn't mean it isn't true. Sorry, I know that's a hard one to swallow.
 
2014-01-06 12:51:59 AM

dbirchall: Can we at least agree that some groups of people are WORSE, though? I'm thinking of cross-burning trailer trash meth heads who are Christian in name only, for a start.


If you include their cultural equivalent "kill anyone who dares criticize us" strap on the bomb fundamentalist Muslim, I'm in full agreement.
 
2014-01-06 12:53:17 AM

kazikian: Just because it's racist, doesn't mean it isn't true. Sorry, I know that's a hard one to swallow.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-01-06 12:54:40 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: mjjt: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Peter von Nostrand: Tiger what? The golfer? Didn't he learn his lesson about pissing people off

No, this is Tiger's mom, or something. Writing a book about how to raise a pro-athlete, probably. Step 1) get knocked up by a black dude

styckx: Not kidding.. I don't know who this is.

This was her first book

Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother

A lot of you guys are doing exactly what you accuse Rush L et al of doing - making ad hominem attacks on someone when you haven't read the book; you've just reacted to a scrap of an article from a newspaper

Rush? That prog rock band from Canada?


Har har don't give me yr White Zone shiat, we all know what you're talking about

i43.tinypic.com
 
2014-01-06 12:55:06 AM
I didn't read her first book, and fully intend not to read this one either.
 
2014-01-06 12:57:43 AM

Badgers: wesmon: If the Chinese culture breeds such success, then why is China such a shiathole?

It's one thing to memorize tables and facts for an exam, but it's a whole different thing to come up with ideas of your own and implement them... That's why they're mass-producing products using our specifications and outright stealing our ideas to copy everything.


The real answer is two parts:

1. China hasn't always been a shiathole. It is very old and China has produced great things over its history
2. Communism is a biatch
 
2014-01-06 12:57:43 AM

farkingismybusiness: Tiger, tiger, burning bright
With the racists of the night,
What immoral hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful bigotry?


EXCELLENT!
 
2014-01-06 01:02:00 AM
Sorry, but I work with a couple of Mormons. She's got that one dead wrong.
 
2014-01-06 01:02:44 AM
And who runs all the big corporations in the USA?

Wanker mom is wanking.
 
2014-01-06 01:04:54 AM

hardinparamedic: The fact that people like this woman are famous and are also given a soap box on which to promote their tripe is proof that there is no God.


B*tch doesn't even have an epic beard!
 
2014-01-06 01:07:42 AM

jake_lex: I love that she lists having a sense of superiority as one of the things that makes these groups successful.  Because we all know that one ethnic group feeling superior to others always works out so well for everyone.


Actually, in this case she may have a point--if you survive the massive mental health issues that come with feeling that you are both better  and worse than everyone else (in various ways--believing you have to live up to an impossible ideal, having imposter syndrome, etc.)  can actually make you a serious overachiever, in much the same way that locking children in death cages without enough food will produce the ultimate warriors: Messily, painfully, and sometimes explosively.

/Seriously, there's a reason we don't do this shiat.
 
2014-01-06 01:18:32 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: baconbeard: What the hell? Fark accusing a non-white person of being given racist. Has the whole world gone mad?

Because of the trolltastic fark headline.  If the headline had instead said that she wrote a book about how western whites are inferior to immigrants (which would be an equally accurate interpretation), fark would be licking her boots and asking for autographs.


Nope. Not of fan of asshats who emigrate to the United States where there's actual civil liberities who then trash Western society. You know...where you're not going to be stoned to death in the streets for pissing off the local mullah, sexually assaulted with a metal bar while the cops do nothing, or run over with a tank for protesting the government.
 
2014-01-06 01:18:59 AM
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Superior Tiger

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Ethnic Tigers

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Bengal Tigers
 
2014-01-06 01:20:26 AM

jake_lex: I love that she lists having a sense of superiority as one of the things that makes these groups successful.  Because we all know that one ethnic group feeling superior to others always works out so well for everyone.


Meh.  It's basic philosophy.  I think therefore I am.  Having a sense of superiority isn't the same as lacking humility.  Chuck Yeager knew he was an exceptional pilot(read his biography), but he's grounded enough to have humility and not be Iceman from Top Gun
 
2014-01-06 01:24:40 AM
Chinese student pilots will memorize the entire pilot's operating handbook of a 777...They will stay up for three days learning every single federal aviation administration regulation and be able to quote them back to you. But they will still fail to shoot a decent visual approach, because that's not something that you can memorize or let a machine complete. They are masters of rote learning but often fail at application and correlation.

The work ethic she preaches is admirable and often lacking in modern American society but her parenting advice will not lead to innovation but rather a society of copycat automatons. (Sort of like modern China...go figure.)

I bet any music her children play is technically perfect, but lacking any soul or emotion whatsoever.

/I know the Asiana flight was not piloted by Chinese....
 
2014-01-06 01:27:59 AM

Gyrfalcon: [encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 201x251]

Superior Tiger

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Ethnic Tigers

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Bengal Tigers


www.animationmagazine.net

Daniel Tiger
 
2014-01-06 01:36:51 AM

hardinparamedic: The fact that people like this woman are famous and are also given a soap box on which to promote their tripe is proof that there is no God.


No, it is proof that people are morons and will pay to read crap written by obnoxious, manipulative twat cheese.
 
2014-01-06 01:37:48 AM
Indian here. I am surprised that a Chinese person acknowledged us in a superior people list. We've made it baby.

The problem I have with this list is the omission of Germans. Yep, the country which practically gave the world modern engineering and whose scientists made NASA is missing from the list. That's all I need to infer that this is nothing more than an opinion piece. Her end game isn't book sales in US, she is going for the bigger Asian market in China + India. Create a controversy here, and sell in Asia. Not a bad idea at all
 
2014-01-06 01:38:55 AM

Mambo Bananapatch: hardinparamedic: The fact that people like this woman are famous and are also given a soap box on which to promote their tripe is proof that there is no God.

No, it is proof that people are morons and will pay to read crap written by obnoxious, manipulative twat cheese.


Wait, are we talking about Tiger Mom or Duck Dynasty?
 
2014-01-06 01:44:42 AM

hardinparamedic: Mambo Bananapatch: hardinparamedic: The fact that people like this woman are famous and are also given a soap box on which to promote their tripe is proof that there is no God.

No, it is proof that people are morons and will pay to read crap written by obnoxious, manipulative twat cheese.

Wait, are we talking about Tiger Mom or Duck Dynasty?


www.thewareaglereader.com

My money's on the one with the stripes.
 
2014-01-06 01:48:15 AM
I mean it's idk I think she might have a point. My family's most common topic of conversation is majors and careers rather than football or whatever white people talk about. My Korean and Jewish friends fit in very well with my family because they also talk about and have opinions about these things and everyone in my family is highly educated and almost all successful
 
2014-01-06 01:50:32 AM
I don't know how she measures success, but any metric that doesn't include hot circus-quality sex is clearly meaningless.  I've farked women from 4 of her groups, and only the Iranian was worth a damn (and even that was hit and miss).
 
2014-01-06 01:50:58 AM
Chinese, Jews, Indians, Iranians and Mormons?  Sounds like my friends in high school.
 
2014-01-06 01:51:13 AM

Danger Avoid Death: hardinparamedic: Mambo Bananapatch: hardinparamedic: The fact that people like this woman are famous and are also given a soap box on which to promote their tripe is proof that there is no God.

No, it is proof that people are morons and will pay to read crap written by obnoxious, manipulative twat cheese.

Wait, are we talking about Tiger Mom or Duck Dynasty?

[www.thewareaglereader.com image 433x389]

My money's on the one with the stripes.


whoever loses, the vore (NSFW or Lunch) fetishists win.
 
2014-01-06 01:53:32 AM

Crudbucket: I remember reading somewhere that only white people could be racist. Has the internet led me astray yet again?


You never read that anywhere.
 
2014-01-06 01:56:55 AM

jmr61: WTF is a "tiger mom"?

Never heard that term.


Thar be dis thingabobby on der intarwebs that's be called "Google".  If u waz to typeski inter the blank space ats "google.com" teh term "tiger mom" use might be able two edumucate youselves sumting or anoder.  WTF?  Use knew to teh intrarnets?  Alsos, does you live under a rock in you mom's basement?
 
2014-01-06 01:59:57 AM

hardinparamedic: Danger Avoid Death: hardinparamedic: Mambo Bananapatch: hardinparamedic: The fact that people like this woman are famous and are also given a soap box on which to promote their tripe is proof that there is no God.

No, it is proof that people are morons and will pay to read crap written by obnoxious, manipulative twat cheese.

Wait, are we talking about Tiger Mom or Duck Dynasty?

[www.thewareaglereader.com image 433x389]

My money's on the one with the stripes.

whoever loses, the vore (NSFW or Lunch) fetishists win.


Thanks. I could have happily gone the rest of my life not knowing that that was a thing.
 
2014-01-06 02:00:28 AM

Steep Spiral: Chinese student pilots will memorize the entire pilot's operating handbook of a 777...They will stay up for three days learning every single federal aviation administration regulation and be able to quote them back to you. But they will still fail to shoot a decent visual approach, because that's not something that you can memorize or let a machine complete. They are masters of rote learning but often fail at application and correlation.

The work ethic she preaches is admirable and often lacking in modern American society but her parenting advice will not lead to innovation but rather a society of copycat automatons. (Sort of like modern China...go figure.)

I bet any music her children play is technically perfect, but lacking any soul or emotion whatsoever.

/I know the Asiana flight was not piloted by Chinese....


Ding! Ding!  We have a winner...thread should be over but it won't be.  ;)
 
2014-01-06 02:04:06 AM

Steep Spiral: Chinese student pilots will memorize the entire pilot's operating handbook of a 777...They will stay up for three days learning every single federal aviation administration regulation and be able to quote them back to you. But they will still fail to shoot a decent visual approach, because that's not something that you can memorize or let a machine complete. They are masters of rote learning but often fail at application and correlation.

The work ethic she preaches is admirable and often lacking in modern American society but her parenting advice will not lead to innovation but rather a society of copycat automatons. (Sort of like modern China...go figure.)

I bet any music her children play is technically perfect, but lacking any soul or emotion whatsoever.

/I know the Asiana flight was not piloted by Chinese....


This.
 
2014-01-06 02:06:08 AM
Heheheh. This is so great. I look forward to the tumblrs responding to this.

She has a point about immigrants being tremendously smart and dedicated, however. They know the gift they've been given and they aren't going to waste it. Us born into the first world just don't appreciate it.
 
2014-01-06 02:07:43 AM

RexTalionis: As a Chinese person, I think she is full of shiat. And she and her ilk are why suicide rates among Asian kids are so high.


I live in china, and work in the school system. i concur. thanks.
 
2014-01-06 02:15:26 AM

doglover: jake_lex: I love that she lists having a sense of superiority as one of the things that makes these groups successful.  Because we all know that one ethnic group feeling superior to others always works out so well for everyone.

Well, for them at any rate.

We're still talking about Rome as if they weren't a bunch of psychopathic, slave raping, rapacious warmongers so hopped up on unwatered wine and lead poisoning they didn't even care as they blighted the entirety of Europe repeatedly for more than a 1000 years with blood, pain, and death. Why? Because they wrote stuff down like "Rome is a pretty cool guy. He kills Gauls and doesn't afraid of anything." in their books and those same books became the foundation of our history.


Now this is the type of historical analysis that I come to fark for.   YOTO, dude, YOTO
 
2014-01-06 02:17:36 AM
Yawn. Wake me up when she appears in "Aging Asian Anal Angels 6 :F*ck Dynasty".
 
2014-01-06 02:18:36 AM

Mambo Bananapatch: ...manipulative twat cheese.


The stinkiest and runniest of all cheese!
 
2014-01-06 02:22:48 AM

doglover: jake_lex: I love that she lists having a sense of superiority as one of the things that makes these groups successful.  Because we all know that one ethnic group feeling superior to others always works out so well for everyone.

Well, for them at any rate.

We're still talking about Rome as if they weren't a bunch of psychopathic, slave raping, rapacious warmongers so hopped up on unwatered wine and lead poisoning they didn't even care as they blighted the entirety of Europe repeatedly for more than a 1000 years with blood, pain, and death. Why? Because they wrote stuff down like "Rome is a pretty cool guy. He kills Gauls and doesn't afraid of anything." in their books and those same books became the foundation of our history.


I hate to break it to you, but civilization, technology and our current standard of living have come about because many of our ancestors did some pretty shiatty things. And the people the Romans conquered weren't all flower children standing in a circle singing about peace and love when the Romans swooped in and conquered them. (I suppose you think Avatar was some kind of "based on a true story updated to a futuristic setting" movie.)
 
2014-01-06 02:25:23 AM
A minority woman writes a books saying that people should be judged on the content of their character, not the color of their skin -- and gets called a 'racist'.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
 
2014-01-06 02:34:47 AM
Generally the ABC's don't care what you think, their kids are doctors, dentists and lawyers. Yours are tattooed barristas with doctorates in medieval poetry/gender studies.
 
2014-01-06 02:36:10 AM
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www-tc.pbs.org
 
2014-01-06 02:41:15 AM

Boo_Guy: Mambo Bananapatch: ...manipulative twat cheese.

The stinkiest and runniest of all cheese!


You forgot craziest. So don't stick your dick in cheesy.
 
2014-01-06 02:45:09 AM
I'll remember how successful Chinese immigrants are the next time I'm eating at a Chinese buffet restaurant.
 
2014-01-06 02:46:27 AM
Her books are just clickbait in dead tree form. And all those "news" stories about it are merely advertisements for it.
 
2014-01-06 02:47:01 AM
I should introduce her to some of my most successful friends. Just to see the look on her face when they all announce they don't think they're superior to anyone and their success has depended as much on things totally out of their control ie luck as it has anything they've done or how hard they've worked.
 
2014-01-06 02:56:10 AM

doglover: jake_lex: I love that she lists having a sense of superiority as one of the things that makes these groups successful.  Because we all know that one ethnic group feeling superior to others always works out so well for everyone.

Well, for them at any rate.

We're still talking about Rome as if they weren't a bunch of psychopathic, slave raping, rapacious warmongers so hopped up on unwatered wine and lead poisoning they didn't even care as they blighted the entirety of Europe repeatedly for more than a 1000 years with blood, pain, and death. Why? Because they wrote stuff down like "Rome is a pretty cool guy. He kills Gauls and doesn't afraid of anything." in their books and those same books became the foundation of our history.


It's possible that's the most retarded summary of "history" I've ever encountered in over 40 years of really retarded history summations.
 
2014-01-06 03:02:05 AM

mjjt: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Peter von Nostrand: Tiger what? The golfer? Didn't he learn his lesson about pissing people off

No, this is Tiger's mom, or something. Writing a book about how to raise a pro-athlete, probably. Step 1) get knocked up by a black dude

styckx: Not kidding.. I don't know who this is.

This was her first book
Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother
A lot of you guys are doing exactly what you accuse Rush L et al of doing - making ad hominem attacks on someone when you haven't read the book; you've just reacted to a scrap of an article from a newspaper


joke
mjjt's head

 
2014-01-06 03:06:24 AM

Gyrfalcon: doglover: jake_lex: I love that she lists having a sense of superiority as one of the things that makes these groups successful.  Because we all know that one ethnic group feeling superior to others always works out so well for everyone.

Well, for them at any rate.

We're still talking about Rome as if they weren't a bunch of psychopathic, slave raping, rapacious warmongers so hopped up on unwatered wine and lead poisoning they didn't even care as they blighted the entirety of Europe repeatedly for more than a 1000 years with blood, pain, and death. Why? Because they wrote stuff down like "Rome is a pretty cool guy. He kills Gauls and doesn't afraid of anything." in their books and those same books became the foundation of our history.

It's possible that's the most retarded summary of "history" I've ever encountered in over 40 years of really retarded history summations.


I think it's Heridiotus.
 
2014-01-06 03:21:38 AM

WhyteRaven74: I should introduce her to some of my most successful friends. Just to see the look on her face when they all announce they don't think they're superior to anyone and their success has depended as much on things totally out of their control ie luck as it has anything they've done or how hard they've worked.


But to be fair, your "most successful" friends are probably just fellow layabouts whose 'luck' was getting injured and being able to sue someone or get on disability, or simply fortuitiously finding a good spot to find returnable bottles or panhandle.
 
2014-01-06 03:26:23 AM

Gyrfalcon: doglover: jake_lex: I love that she lists having a sense of superiority as one of the things that makes these groups successful.  Because we all know that one ethnic group feeling superior to others always works out so well for everyone.

Well, for them at any rate.

We're still talking about Rome as if they weren't a bunch of psychopathic, slave raping, rapacious warmongers so hopped up on unwatered wine and lead poisoning they didn't even care as they blighted the entirety of Europe repeatedly for more than a 1000 years with blood, pain, and death. Why? Because they wrote stuff down like "Rome is a pretty cool guy. He kills Gauls and doesn't afraid of anything." in their books and those same books became the foundation of our history.

It's possible that's the most retarded summary of "history" I've ever encountered in over 40 years of really retarded history summations.


It's a knee-jerk critique of ancient Rome's failing if it were a modern state. Compare the America to Rome and you'll be greeted with sonnets of Rome's progressive feats of roads, sewers, law, and other cultural advancements made possible through strong government and taxes.
 
2014-01-06 03:27:06 AM
Impossible. Only white men are racist.
 
2014-01-06 03:27:27 AM
As a Chinese person, I think she is full of shiat. And she and her ilk are why suicide rates among Asian kids are so high.


But they're very successful suicides!
 
2014-01-06 03:32:34 AM

The hopeless imp: I'll remember how successful Chinese immigrants are the next time I'm eating at a Chinese buffet restaurant.


Around here all the Chinese places are owned by Chinese people,  sounds decently successful to me.
 
2014-01-06 03:54:35 AM
I'm pretty sure every religious group thinks it's better than all the others. Well, maybe not the Jains.
 
2014-01-06 03:55:24 AM

Boo_Guy: The hopeless imp: I'll remember how successful Chinese immigrants are the next time I'm eating at a Chinese buffet restaurant.

Around here all the Chinese places are owned by Chinese people,  sounds decently successful to me.


But they employ kitchen help strictly from south of the border.
 
2014-01-06 03:56:27 AM
The secret to success is to make up bullshiat and make people buy it. Look at Bitcoin, look at this woman's book. They all started as bullshiat but now are sources of great money. I'm gonna start my own massive bullshiat too!
 
2014-01-06 03:56:52 AM
[www.animationmagazine.net image 600x450]

Daniel Tiger


Meow meow meow meowster race meow.
 
2014-01-06 04:13:44 AM

andhravodu: The problem I have with this list is the omission of Germans. Yep, the country which practically gave the world modern engineering and whose scientists made NASA...



I'm guessing that she admires the Germans very much.
 
2014-01-06 04:14:24 AM
FTA: "'That certain groups do much better in America than others - as measured by income, occupational status, test scores and so on - is difficult to talk about,' the authors write."

I think it's a fair observation that some cultures place value on things that help members excel using this particular set of metrics.  Are these really good metrics though?  I don't question the worth of being successful and having a decent income but it shouldn't be an obsession that interferes with your ability to be happy, have friendships, and appreciate the good things in life.  It may be harder to measure but I suspect people who can balance these things out likely lead more fulfilling lives than the min/maxers.
 
2014-01-06 04:40:19 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: I dated a tiger mom once.

They say to never stick your dick in crazy but it is, on occasion, a really fun time.


As long as you use a fake name/number and leave before she wakes up.
 
2014-01-06 04:53:28 AM

farkingismybusiness: Tiger, tiger, burning bright
With the racists of the night,
What immoral hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful bigotry?


You magnificent bastard, you.
 
2014-01-06 04:59:50 AM

PopularFront: FTA: "'That certain groups do much better in America than others - as measured by income, occupational status, test scores and so on - is difficult to talk about,' the authors write."

I think it's a fair observation that some cultures place value on things that help members excel using this particular set of metrics.  Are these really good metrics though?  I don't question the worth of being successful and having a decent income but it shouldn't be an obsession that interferes with your ability to be happy, have friendships, and appreciate the good things in life.  It may be harder to measure but I suspect people who can balance these things out likely lead more fulfilling lives than the min/maxers.


Of course she's right. Certain ethnic groups excel in professional or technical pursuits, because their cultures place a high degree of value in that.

It doesn't necessarily result in an overly stressful life, however.

The problem is it is politically incorrect to note such easily observable factors on a broad basis. See the charges of "racism" here and elsewhere, or the silly suggestion that such broadly observed tendencies are based on luck.
 
2014-01-06 05:04:55 AM
The Chinese are doing something right.  They get my shirts super clean.

/Am I doing it right?
 
2014-01-06 05:04:59 AM
Yes, many people in the groups she cites are financially sucessful/highly educated, but what about the cultures they come from, ie the people who didn't immigrate?

Are the majority of cubans in cuba, the iranians in iran and the nigerians in nigeria super sucessful? It seems like many of them are stuck in poverty, are highly uneducated, and have few options.

The fact remains that people who immigrate tend to be strivers of above average education is common sense, and may not speak to a cultural superiority at all. They are just the minority of their country who were able to get out.
 
2014-01-06 05:08:03 AM

The Southern Dandy: The Chinese are doing something right.  They get my shirts super clean.

/Am I doing it right?


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                                        "Ancient Chinese secret, huh?"
 
2014-01-06 05:58:18 AM
The biggest problem with most of these arguments?  Define "success".
 
2014-01-06 06:00:27 AM

karmachameleon: The biggest problem with most of these arguments?  Define "success".


The best revenge.
 
2014-01-06 06:24:00 AM

Practical_Draconian: Let's see who is missing here on her list of successful nationalities/religions ...

WASPs.

Irish.

Scandinavians.

French.

Italians.

Greeks.

Poles.

Russians.

Mexicans.

Vietnamese.

Koreans.

Japanese.

Christians.

Muslims.

...

(list goes on)

Yeah, Tiger Mom bit off more than she could chew.


OK, so she's wrong because she didn't have the correct racist list. Got it.

Though I sense a common theme that people have to live in USA to be OK. Just take Greeks, collectively farking up your country, and thus your offsprings future, isn't normally considered great parenting.
 
2014-01-06 06:36:21 AM
Y'know if she were to replace her eight ethnics groups with just white people she'd have a six figure job with Fox News in three seconds flat.
 
2014-01-06 06:42:25 AM
I dunno, if you believe in evolution this has merit. Or you're religious and think we are all created the same
 
2014-01-06 07:09:27 AM
This is the woman who in her first book tells how to raise kids but her daughters couldn't stand her and the youngest was quitting music etc.

So her methods don't even work for her.
 
2014-01-06 07:28:37 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: I dated a tiger mom once.

They say to never stick your dick in crazy but it is, on occasion, a really fun time.


People don't say that because it isn't fun, they say that because crazy women have a habit of turning into Lorena Bobbitt afterwards.
 
2014-01-06 07:36:26 AM

super_grass: Compare the America to Rome and you'll be greeted with sonnets of Rome's progressive feats of roads, sewers, law, and other cultural advancements made possible through strong government and taxes.


Yeah, but we gave the world McDonalds and drone-strikes.

/and maybe, just maybe, the first silicon transistor.
 
2014-01-06 07:54:13 AM
eh, she's half right. you need to be a hard drivin opinionated slavedriver half the time, but the other half you have to be mr rogers. calling a birthday card not good enough is biatchy. I saw clips recently of a lil white toddler shooting freethrows. jmmy kimmel had him beat shaq and tie kobe. it occurred to me, all the positive reinforcement will give enough motivation for a lifetime of practice and eventually career. the kid's greatest advantage, moreso than hes a toddler that can make shots now, is all that practice he'll be willing to do.
 
2014-01-06 08:10:47 AM
OK, I am going to go full racist and say that I never thought I would see impulse control and Nigerian in the same sentence.
 
2014-01-06 08:16:56 AM
The truth hurts, doesn't it libs?
 
2014-01-06 08:39:40 AM
She wrote that she called one of her two daughters 'garbage' for being rude and labeled a homemade birthday card as awful, telling her girl, 'I don't want this - I want another one.'

What a coont...

jmr61: WTF is a "tiger mom"?

Never heard that term.


You've heard of cougar MILFs before, right? Well, tiger moms are similar, but a bit more dangerous...
 
2014-01-06 08:41:13 AM
Yeah it's always good to get outraged over the first few pages and then not read the rest that would probably explain her position.  But yeah, headline outrage sells some papers so I guess she's just spreading some success for talkers.
 
2014-01-06 08:48:19 AM
I thought one of her books, World on Fire, was quite interesting and didn't send up any racist flags. I think I'll look a little deeper before writing her off.
 
2014-01-06 08:51:48 AM

lohphat: RexTalionis: As a Chinese person, I think she is full of shiat. And she and her ilk are why suicide rates among Asian kids are so high.

This.

The dysfunction I had with my mom, she inherited from hers and so on. It ended last month.

Being critical of your child is one thing if accompanied by constructive support; but praise was few and far between. Then she wondered why I didn't seek out her company as I got older. I needed to pursue my dreams without her. So much needless friction. My sister never recovered to be her own independent adult.

When your culture eats its own young, it's time to get another culture.


I have been married a Chinese woman and for more than 20 years. I have watched the mother tear up marriages, and just psychological destroy the son and daughter. Skip over the lack of compassion or warmth due to parents neutering such emotions early in life.

Both my wife and her brother the doctor are emotionally distance people,unable to trust or enjoy people.Both only have only superficial relationships.  I guess it's hard to relax ,when always under the looking glass and being tested.

As the "blue collar white guy 'foreigner' I made it clear that my kids are not going to be raised as organic robots.
I'll rather pay for guitar lessons and outward bound trip, than give the world one more uptight cube rat with an MBA.
 
2014-01-06 08:54:16 AM

zzrhardy: Generally the ABC's don't care what you think, their kids are doctors, dentists and lawyers. Yours are tattooed barristas with doctorates in medieval poetry/gender studies.


And I know who I would prefer to have a beer/bong with (and who I would prefer to take home with me :p
 
2014-01-06 08:56:31 AM
Total claptrap.  I do a ton of work with China and they're DEFINITELY no better than Americans.  The institutional corruption of even extremely important (things like safety and not totally destroying the environment and rendering billion dollar project unusable) tasks is unbelievable, and the total inability to form sophisticated thoughts is staggering.

In my experience their cultural learning system boils down to knowing everything they should, and understanding less than a fifth of it.
 
2014-01-06 09:00:02 AM

PiffMan420: ecmoRandomNumbers: RexTalionis: As a Chinese person, I think she is full of shiat. And she and her ilk are why suicide rates among Asian kids are so high.

And Mormons.

"Impulse Control" is a huge plus according to this classist twit. You don't get repression better than the Mormons.

Remember: If you're stuck a free thinking woman with desires outside the kitchen, an athiest or a homosexual.....turn it off!


At least Mormon women can spell......
 
2014-01-06 09:20:53 AM

RexTalionis: As a Chinese person, I think she is full of shiat. And she and her ilk are why suicide rates among Asian kids are so high.


She basically admitted after the first book that she was trying to write edgy, ironic humor.  "I was trying to be like Andy Sedaris!"

So don't take anything she says seriously.  In fact, don't listen to anything she has to say.  Just another self-promoting AW.
 
2014-01-06 09:25:59 AM

12349876: serial_crusher: Chinese are one of the top dogs.
The other seven are Jewish, Indian, Iranian, Lebanese-Americans, Nigerians, Cuban exiles and Mormons.
Clearly one of these groupings is a religion and by calling them 'cultural', never ethnic, racial or religious, Chau and her husband seek to avoid the hugely controversial criticism this would bring.

Fair claim in my book. Different cultures do things differently, some better than others.

Chinese, Indian, Iranian, and Nigerian all have way too many cultures to be lumped into one.  When you don't break that down, you're consciously or unconsciously using ethnic or racial groupings.


Indian American and Indian are actually very different cultures.....given that Indian Americans are a self-selected group in the first place.
 
2014-01-06 09:51:07 AM
While you rage, she's making bank.  Who's the fool here?
 
2014-01-06 09:51:19 AM

RexTalionis: As a Chinese person, I think she is full of shiat. And she and her ilk are why suicide rates among Asian kids are so high.


The chosen person and the Chua-san person?

Frankly, if they can't understand how deeply ingrained their own cultural biases are, they're beyond help.
 
2014-01-06 09:51:22 AM
the funny thing is that she's wrong.
 
2014-01-06 09:54:36 AM

Molavian: The answer is Jews.


I bet the Chus did this.
 
2014-01-06 09:58:49 AM

bingo the psych-o: Some religions are genuinely better than others.


I prefer "less comparatively crazy, delusional or prone to knocking on my door to enumerate my spiritual flaws while begging for money for their brand of holy spook".

"Better" is not the word I would use.
 
2014-01-06 09:59:13 AM

doglover: We're still talking about Rome as if they weren't a bunch of psychopathic, slave raping, rapacious warmongers...


You said rape twice.
 
2014-01-06 10:18:23 AM

happydude45: At least Mormon women can spell......


Most mormon women can't spell their own names.  This is because they're all called shiat like Rahynie with a sister named Stohrmie.
 
2014-01-06 10:46:13 AM

justaguy516: 12349876: serial_crusher: Chinese are one of the top dogs.
The other seven are Jewish, Indian, Iranian, Lebanese-Americans, Nigerians, Cuban exiles and Mormons.
Clearly one of these groupings is a religion and by calling them 'cultural', never ethnic, racial or religious, Chau and her husband seek to avoid the hugely controversial criticism this would bring.

Fair claim in my book. Different cultures do things differently, some better than others.

Chinese, Indian, Iranian, and Nigerian all have way too many cultures to be lumped into one.  When you don't break that down, you're consciously or unconsciously using ethnic or racial groupings.

Indian American and Indian are actually very different cultures.....given that Indian Americans are a self-selected group in the first place.



I don't see your point. Indian-american's are as much diverse in US as they are in India. While most of the tech folks come from South India, majority of the business people come from North/Gujarat. While hinduism keeps the folks united, there are big cultural differences in the areas.
 
2014-01-06 11:05:51 AM

the_foo: doglover: We're still talking about Rome as if they weren't a bunch of psychopathic, slave raping, rapacious warmongers...

You said rape twice.


076dd0a50e0c1255009e-bd4b8aabaca29897bc751dfaf75b290c.r40.cf1.rackcdn.com
 
2014-01-06 11:56:12 AM

andhravodu: justaguy516: 12349876: serial_crusher: Chinese are one of the top dogs.
The other seven are Jewish, Indian, Iranian, Lebanese-Americans, Nigerians, Cuban exiles and Mormons.
Clearly one of these groupings is a religion and by calling them 'cultural', never ethnic, racial or religious, Chau and her husband seek to avoid the hugely controversial criticism this would bring.

Fair claim in my book. Different cultures do things differently, some better than others.

Chinese, Indian, Iranian, and Nigerian all have way too many cultures to be lumped into one.  When you don't break that down, you're consciously or unconsciously using ethnic or racial groupings.

Indian American and Indian are actually very different cultures.....given that Indian Americans are a self-selected group in the first place.


I don't see your point. Indian-american's are as much diverse in US as they are in India. While most of the tech folks come from South India, majority of the business people come from North/Gujarat. While hinduism keeps the folks united, there are big cultural differences in the areas.


Sure, there are subcultures that have their differences, but there are also enough commonalities that you can paint in broad strokes without losing too much accuracy.

Indians in general don't value personal space the way Americans do.  They will stand right in your face during a conversation.  Far as I can tell that's common across all of India.  Of course moving to the US and living among Americans makes you pick up our cultural norms after a while (unless you're socially inept like the devops guy I work with...)

Personal space is kind of trivial, but it's the one thing I feel confident saying as a constant (because I haven't really studied the subject matter that thoroughly).  An Indian guy I used to work with was appalled by the relationship Americans tend to have with their families.  We "leave the nest" when we grow up and don't really see our parents that regularly.  When they get old, they go to the old folks home and pay for it with their own money if they were fortunate enough to have saved it.  Parents don't want to be a burden to their children, and children rationalize that the professionals would provide better quality of care.

To this Indian, that was just bizarre.  Where he was from extended families would pool their resources together and it wasn't uncommon to have several generations living in the same house caring for extended relatives.  Even if you couldn't provide the same quality of care as a professional, it was your familial obligation, and not taking in your parents was seen as more of a failure than taking them in and doing a bad job of it would have been.  I'm not sure if that varies by different parts of India, but I got the impression that it was common.
 
2014-01-06 12:57:07 PM

Dwindle: Stop with the "racial" racebaiting.

She is talking about cultures, which have nothing to do with race, and their rate of success, which is quantifiable and undeniable.


Most of what she talks about is just pure immigrant self-selection stuff, though.

There are plenty of lazy layabout failures in Asia.  They are not the ones who immigrated anywhere.

Badgers: It's one thing to memorize tables and facts for an exam, but it's a whole different thing to come up with ideas of your own and implement them... That's why they're mass-producing products using our specifications and outright stealing our ideas to copy everything.


Ah yes. The good ol' "only white people are truly creative" meme?

PsiChick: Actually, in this case she may have a point--if you survive the massive mental health issues that come with feeling that you are both better  and worse than everyone else (in various ways--believing you have to live up to an impossible ideal, having imposter syndrome, etc.)  can actually make you a serious overachiever, in much the same way that locking children in death cages without enough food will produce the ultimate warriors: Messily, painfully, and sometimes explosively.


Yeah. I think she's aiming for that sweet spot where you think your ethnic group is superior so you should be naturally superior, but you think that YOU individually are falling behind.  "Imposter syndrome" indeed.

...which incidentally seems to occur more often in the kids of immigrants population.
 
2014-01-06 01:17:06 PM
I think she may have misspoke.  What Jews, the Chinese, Iranians, Arabs, and Nigerians have in common, is that they drive like sh*t.  I think that's what she meant to say.
 
2014-01-06 01:22:13 PM

Danger Avoid Death: karmachameleon: The biggest problem with most of these arguments?  Define "success".

The best revenge.


"It is not enough that I succeed. Others must fail." -- Gore Vidal
 
2014-01-06 01:33:41 PM

mjjt: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Peter von Nostrand: Tiger what? The golfer? Didn't he learn his lesson about pissing people off

No, this is Tiger's mom, or something. Writing a book about how to raise a pro-athlete, probably. Step 1) get knocked up by a black dude

styckx: Not kidding.. I don't know who this is.

This was her first book

Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother

A lot of you guys are doing exactly what you accuse Rush L et al of doing - making ad hominem attacks on someone when you haven't read the book; you've just reacted to a scrap of an article from a newspaper


That was her second book.  Her first book was World on Fire.

http://www.amazon.com/World-Fire-Exporting-Democracy-Instability/dp/ 03 85721862

She's less brain-dead than most of you.
 
2014-01-06 01:37:25 PM

RexTalionis: As a Chinese person, I think she is full of shiat. And she and her ilk are why suicide rates among Asian kids are so high.


As a white person, I think you're an idiot for thinking your ethnicity gives you special dibs to be heard on this topic.

You're also ignorant about suicide rates, which if you look past the cliches at actual data turn out to be low among Asian-Americans.

http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/suicide/statistics/rates02.htm l
 
2014-01-06 01:49:05 PM
Huh.  I've been fairly successful in life and my mom wasn't a raging coont.
Can't explain that
.

maybe your father was an asswipe?
 
2014-01-06 01:54:11 PM
The truth is always the biggest troll of all.
 
2014-01-06 03:54:17 PM

keypusher: As a white person, I think you're an idiot for thinking your ethnicity gives you special dibs to be heard on this topic.


I'm noting my ethnicity because I don't want people to think that the rest of us actually agree with this nutjob. So nuts to you, you jackass.

keypusher: You're also ignorant about suicide rates, which if you look past the cliches at actual data turn out to be low among Asian-Americans.


"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports the following statistics:

At 6.19, the suicide rate for Asians/Pacific Islanders of all ages was approximately half of the overall U.S. rate of 12.08.
Suicide was the 10th leading cause of death for Asians/Pacific Islanders and the 2nd leading cause of death for youth ages 15 to 24. "

http://www.sprc.org/sites/sprc.org/files/library/API%20Sheet%20Augus t% 2028%202013%20Final.pdf

"Poor academic achievement: Two studies of Asian college students in the United States found that poor academic performance and anxiety about performing well enough was a major risk factor for suicidal ideation.41, 42"

http://www.sprc.org/sites/sprc.org/files/library/API%20Sheet%20Augus t% 2028%202013%20Final.pdf

For the general population overall, suicide is the 3rd leading cause of death for youths ages 15-24. Among Asian-Americans of the sage age, it's the second leading cause of death.

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/10LCID_All_Deaths_By_Age_Group _2 010-a.pdf
 
2014-01-06 04:10:43 PM

shamalamadingdong: I think she may have misspoke.  What Jews, the Chinese, Iranians, Arabs, and Nigerians have in common, is that they drive like sh*t.  I think that's what she meant to say.


It's true. When I was in Taiwan, any time there was a car accident, odds are it was an Asian person driving.
 
2014-01-06 04:14:38 PM

RexTalionis: keypusher: As a white person, I think you're an idiot for thinking your ethnicity gives you special dibs to be heard on this topic.

I'm noting my ethnicity because I don't want people to think that the rest of us actually agree with this nutjob. So nuts to you, you jackass.

keypusher: You're also ignorant about suicide rates, which if you look past the cliches at actual data turn out to be low among Asian-Americans.

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports the following statistics:

At 6.19, the suicide rate for Asians/Pacific Islanders of all ages was approximately half of the overall U.S. rate of 12.08.
Suicide was the 10th leading cause of death for Asians/Pacific Islanders and the 2nd leading cause of death for youth ages 15 to 24. "

http://www.sprc.org/sites/sprc.org/files/library/API%20Sheet%20Augus t% 2028%202013%20Final.pdf

"Poor academic achievement: Two studies of Asian college students in the United States found that poor academic performance and anxiety about performing well enough was a major risk factor for suicidal ideation.41, 42"

http://www.sprc.org/sites/sprc.org/files/library/API%20Sheet%20Augus t% 2028%202013%20Final.pdf

For the general population overall, suicide is the 3rd leading cause of death for youths ages 15-24. Among Asian-Americans of the sage age, it's the second leading cause of death.

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/10LCID_All_Deaths_By_Age_Group _2 010-a.pdf


nyrb.typepad.com
 
2014-01-06 04:48:21 PM

serial_crusher: andhravodu: justaguy516: 12349876: serial_crusher: Chinese are one of the top dogs.
The other seven are Jewish, Indian, Iranian, Lebanese-Americans, Nigerians, Cuban exiles and Mormons.
Clearly one of these groupings is a religion and by calling them 'cultural', never ethnic, racial or religious, Chau and her husband seek to avoid the hugely controversial criticism this would bring.

Fair claim in my book. Different cultures do things differently, some better than others.

Chinese, Indian, Iranian, and Nigerian all have way too many cultures to be lumped into one.  When you don't break that down, you're consciously or unconsciously using ethnic or racial groupings.

Indian American and Indian are actually very different cultures.....given that Indian Americans are a self-selected group in the first place.


I don't see your point. Indian-american's are as much diverse in US as they are in India. While most of the tech folks come from South India, majority of the business people come from North/Gujarat. While hinduism keeps the folks united, there are big cultural differences in the areas.

Sure, there are subcultures that have their differences, but there are also enough commonalities that you can paint in broad strokes without losing too much accuracy.

Indians in general don't value personal space the way Americans do.  They will stand right in your face during a conversation.  Far as I can tell that's common across all of India.  Of course moving to the US and living among Americans makes you pick up our cultural norms after a while (unless you're socially inept like the devops guy I work with...)

Personal space is kind of trivial, but it's the one thing I feel confident saying as a constant (because I haven't really studied the subject matter that thoroughly).  An Indian guy I used to work with was appalled by the relationship Americans tend to have with their families.  We "leave the nest" when we grow up and don't really see our parents that regularly.  When they get old, they go to the old folks home and pay for it with their own money if they were fortunate enough to have saved it.  Parents don't want to be a burden to their children, and children rationalize that the professionals would provide better quality of care.

To this Indian, that was just bizarre.  Where he was from extended families would pool their resources together and it wasn't uncommon to have several generations living in the same house caring for extended relatives.  Even if you couldn't provide the same quality of care as a professional, it was your familial obligation, and not taking in your parents was seen as more of a failure than taking them in and doing a bad job of it would have been.  I'm not sure if that varies by different parts of India, but I got the impression that it was common.


Your point is that Indians are culturally the same because they expect the family to provide elder care?

Pretty much this is the norm in every 3rd world country that does not have govt-funded healthcare. Many relatively prosperous countries care for elderly in the home as well.

America is the anomaly in that regard, not Indians.

I live in an area with a lot of Indians, and immigrants in general, and i disagree with your personal space generalization.

I've found white American men to be much more boorish in taking up a lot of space than Asians in general. Frankly, i prefer to work with Asian men partially for that reason.
 
2014-01-06 05:16:57 PM

RexTalionis: keypusher: As a white person, I think you're an idiot for thinking your ethnicity gives you special dibs to be heard on this topic.

I'm noting my ethnicity because I don't want people to think that the rest of us actually agree with this nutjob. So nuts to you, you jackass.

keypusher: You're also ignorant about suicide rates, which if you look past the cliches at actual data turn out to be low among Asian-Americans.

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports the following statistics:

At 6.19, the suicide rate for Asians/Pacific Islanders of all ages was approximately half of the overall U.S. rate of 12.08.
Suicide was the 10th leading cause of death for Asians/Pacific Islanders and the 2nd leading cause of death for youth ages 15 to 24. "

http://www.sprc.org/sites/sprc.org/files/library/API%20Sheet%20Augus t% 2028%202013%20Final.pdf

"Poor academic achievement: Two studies of Asian college students in the United States found that poor academic performance and anxiety about performing well enough was a major risk factor for suicidal ideation.41, 42"

http://www.sprc.org/sites/sprc.org/files/library/API%20Sheet%20Augus t% 2028%202013%20Final.pdf

For the general population overall, suicide is the 3rd leading cause of death for youths ages 15-24. Among Asian-Americans of the sage age, it's the second leading cause of death.

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/10LCID_All_Deaths_By_Age_Group _2 010-a.pdf


And if you turn to the second page of the report you linked to, you see the following.

The suicide rate for Asian-American men aged 15-24 is 10.41.  The suicide rate for American men 15-24 overall is 16.90.

So the suicide rate for Asian American men aged 15-24 is LOWER than the suicide rate for American men aged 15-24.

The suicide rate for Asian-American women aged 15-24 is 3.42.  The suicide rate for American women 15-24 overall is 3.89.

So the suicide rate for Asian American women aged 15-24 is LOWER than the suicide rate for American women aged 15-24.

It follows that suicide is less common among Asian-Americans aged 15-24 than in the population as a whole aged 15-24.

RobSeace:

Someone got told, alright.
 
2014-01-06 05:32:17 PM

keypusher: And if you turn to the second page of the report you linked to, you see the following.


Okay, fine. Maybe I was wrong with regards to the suicide rate. You're still way off base accusing me of using my ethnicity as a qualification for an opinion. And you're still a jackass.
 
2014-01-06 05:45:47 PM

RexTalionis: keypusher: And if you turn to the second page of the report you linked to, you see the following.

Okay, fine. Maybe I was wrong with regards to the suicide rate. You're still way off base accusing me of using my ethnicity as a qualification for an opinion. And you're still a jackass.


Noted.  Here's how you began this thread.

As a Chinese person, I think she is full of shiat. And she and her ilk are why suicide rates among Asian kids are so high.

You're an ignorant jackass.
 
2014-01-06 06:06:59 PM

keypusher: RexTalionis: keypusher: And if you turn to the second page of the report you linked to, you see the following.

Okay, fine. Maybe I was wrong with regards to the suicide rate. You're still way off base accusing me of using my ethnicity as a qualification for an opinion. And you're still a jackass.

Noted.  Here's how you began this thread.

As a Chinese person, I think she is full of shiat. And she and her ilk are why suicide rates among Asian kids are so high.

You're an ignorant jackass.


Ignore bait. You win. Buh bye.
 
2014-01-06 09:06:12 PM

o'really: Your point is that Indians are culturally the same because they expect the family to provide elder care?

Pretty much this is the norm in every 3rd world country that does not have govt-funded healthcare. Many relatively prosperous countries care for elderly in the home as well.


Well, my only point was that you can draw lines at a national level on some attributes, and gave an example of a case where most Americans would fall into one school of thought and most Indians would fall into another.  Saying that it's Americans who are unique from the rest of the world only confirms my point by successfully grouping all the subsets of Americans into the big set of parent-neglecting heathens that we are.
 
2014-01-06 09:15:05 PM

Dwindle: Stop with the "racial" racebaiting.

She is talking about cultures, which have nothing to do with race, and their rate of success, which is quantifiable and undeniable.

Lebanese Americans are, as a group, the most successful people in the country and it is foolish to refuse to question why.

Some ideas work better than others, stop trying to use "equality" to explain peoples mediocrity.


www.ww1propaganda.com
 
2014-01-06 09:21:56 PM

keypusher: And if you turn to the second page of the report you linked to, you see the following.


I was going to say that until I turned to page 3 of that report, which finally has this chart ("high school youths" specifically, not the 15-24 demographic above):

In the past year, have you:
Had Serious Thoughts Of Suicide?  Asians: 18.9% ; Hawaiian/Pacific Islanders: 16.7% ; Total US: 15.8%
Made Suicide Plans? 14.4% ; 13.4% ; 12.8%
Attempted Suicide? 10.8% ; 9.9% ; 7.8%


So there are a few possible reasons for the discrepancy:
- Asians are only suicidal when they're in high school and have their parents pressuring them, or
- Asian teens are more likely to attempt suicide, but are less successful at it (using a suicide attempt as a calculated cry for help, not intent on actually dying)
 
2014-01-06 09:36:47 PM
If Chinese culture is superior, why does Chinese opera sound like cats farking?  White people opera sounds like Carmen and The Magic Flute.  And is there a Chinese Duke Ellington?
 
2014-01-06 09:43:10 PM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: If Chinese culture is superior, why does Chinese opera sound like cats farking?  White people opera sounds like Carmen and The Magic Flute.  And is there a Chinese Duke Ellington?


Yes, but neither holds a candle to Klingon Opera
 
2014-01-06 11:11:56 PM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: White peopleCentauri opera sounds like Carmen and The Magic Flute.

 
2014-01-06 11:32:19 PM
It's "cultural groups" by the way, Subby. She doesn't imply all people who go to a Mormon church or all people of Chinese descent, she says people who live those cultures are more successful at life.

And to be frank, in general, she's right. Those cultures are largely far more successful at life and happy than most just because of work ethic, discipline, etc.
 
2014-01-07 12:08:42 AM

SirEattonHogg: Fair number of folks in Hong Kong believe in some variation of what Tiger Mom preaches even before Tiger Mom became known - both the locals and a good number of the foreign expats. I also have in-laws like this. The whole overriding desire for money, academic/career success, etc., at the expense of normal social/family relationships.

And such attitudes go hand in hand with racist attitude toward various other Asians and ethnicities.

It's really quite unpleasant to talk to such people.


My wife is from Beijing and wouldn't be my wife if she subscribed to this crazy drive for money, 'big name' higher education, etc.  We have two boys, 4 yrs and 18 months, and some of the other Chinese families in the area act like we're raising feral children because we have no intention of enrolling them in piano or violin lessons.

Of course, both speak (as best as one can at that age for the younger one) English and Chinese equally.  I'm amazed how many Chinese expat parents who go on and on about '5,000 years of civilization' and the innate superiority of China have kids who can play piano but speak less Chinese than I do.
 
2014-01-07 09:17:22 AM

Straelbora: Of course, both speak (as best as one can at that age for the younger one) English and Chinese equally.  I'm amazed how many Chinese expat parents who go on and on about '5,000 years of civilization' and the innate superiority of China have kids who can play piano but speak less Chinese than I do.


Okay so they speak Chinese, but how much Mandarin do they speak?
 
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