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(CBS News)   Oil industry officials are shocked, shocked, I say, to learn of confirmed groundwater pollution near fracking sites   (cbsnews.com) divider line 138
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2014-01-05 09:34:54 PM  
Okay, so, let's assume that fracking for natural gas causes some level of pollution.  Should we stop entirely?

Or should we weigh the ecological benefits (significantly reduced CO2 emissions, less water use than coal and oil plants, etc.) with the new (but different) form of pollution?

I actually tend to lean towards environmentalism, but it drives me up the wall when people refuse to even consider new and incrementally cleaner approaches to energy if there's even the slightest thing wrong with it.  Wind turbines kill birds.  Big solar projects in the CA desert are being blocked because they displace a desert tortoise.  And don't even get me started on safer next-gen nuke plant designs.

I just...  ugh.  We need to figure out the trade-offs and pick something, because sitting and shrieking that everything is crap is just going to leave us sitting here with the worst of every possible choice until we fry the planet.
 
2014-01-05 09:35:37 PM  

radarlove: Zafler: Turbo Cojones: The sister in question?

Oh, wow, I didn't know anyone had kept copies of that. That poor girls brother (step-brother?) really didn't know what he was doing.

I am unaware of this meme, what's the story?


Some farker posted a picture of his, I think, step-sister dressed as rainbow brite. I vaguely recall another picture of the same girl sitting topless at a keyboard. He regretted it.
 
2014-01-05 09:36:48 PM  
That's what happens when you demand that government take away everybody's property rights. Sorry, everybody, but if you vote Democrat or Republican, this is what you get... just drink your polluted water and die.
 
2014-01-05 09:37:45 PM  
Corporations are people so write some three strikes laws for them. 3rd contamination, you get nationalized.
 
2014-01-05 09:42:40 PM  

jaerik: significantly reduced CO2 emissions


But an increase in methane emissions, which is 72X more effective at trapping heat.
 
2014-01-05 09:48:22 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Hiring former Army psyops specialists to influence and manipulate local communities is also a testament to the safety of fracking.


Wow, source on this?  Not calling you out just interested in reading more.
 
2014-01-05 09:52:23 PM  

KidKorporate: Wow, source on this?  Not calling you out just interested in reading more.


There's audio and slides in Gasland 2, but Josh Fox talks about it in this interview.

JOSH FOX: Well, this is audio that was recorded by a blogger named Texas Sharon, working for Earthworks, who was at an oil and gas industry conference where they were discussing all the bad PR that they were getting and how to counter it. And what they go on to do is explain how they're using former PSYOPs officers, psychological operations officers, who were newly coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan, to write local laws, to develop techniques to divide local landowners. That's Matt Pitzarella from Range Resources talking about that. Chesapeake then goes on to talk about people who are fighting the gas industry, like landowners, like you just saw, Jeremiah Gee, as insurgents. And one of the PR spokespeople for Anadarko, another huge petroleum company, says that what they should actually do is download the counterinsurgency manual, which is a 300-odd-page book about, you know, how to deal with an insurgency in Iraq and Afghanistan. These are terms of war, and it was very, very shocking to see that. Link

Treat landowners as insurgents.
 
2014-01-05 09:52:42 PM  

jaerik: if there's even the slightest thing wrong with it.


Poisoning groundwater, causing earthquakes, and releasing methane are not SLIGHT problems.
 
2014-01-05 09:54:22 PM  
i like how the proponents loudly proclaim there's no evidence of any issues. yet, when there is, they pretend it doesn't exist, and keep up with business as usual. facts mean nothing.
 
2014-01-05 09:56:41 PM  
Interesting that this article doesn't actually say that these were the result of fracking. It does say they were the result of drilling operations. Talks a lot about fracking, and the controversy about it. But nowhere does it actually put the two together.
 
2014-01-05 09:59:12 PM  

unlikely: Weird that the states would have let such reports get out.


My very reaction. "What the hell!? We paid millions of dollars, greased dozens of state and local palms, bought an army of lawyers to issue dozens of gag orders, and the info still got out!?"
 
2014-01-05 10:02:19 PM  
complaints are down 25%...... but that isnt  as scary of a headline.
 
2014-01-05 10:05:07 PM  

fusillade762: Steve Forde, a spokesman for the Marcellus Shale Coalition, the leading industry group in Pennsylvania, said in a statement that "transparency and making data available to the public is critical to getting this historic opportunity right and maintaining the public's trust."

Great. Why don't you start by telling us what's in the shiat you're pumping into the ground?


That would make it easier for people to dump it into their well and then sue for 50 million dollars.
 
2014-01-05 10:08:13 PM  
I've got a good friend who lived between Greeley and Fort Morgan. She had to re-drill a well because the first one was drained after fracking started up in the area. She spent $15,000 to dig a deeper one and it was contaminated by flammable pollutants and unusable. Gas company laughed at a bunch of the homeowners over there when they brought it up to them and wanted compensation. Took her nearly a year to sell her place after they finally got city water run out that way.
 
2014-01-05 10:09:14 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Are you people suggesting that oil companies might harm the environment? I've never heard of such a thing!


Never heard of waitresses that write their own 'hate comment' on receipts either....

Money, what doesn't it do?
 
2014-01-05 10:14:52 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: fusillade762: Steve Forde, a spokesman for the Marcellus Shale Coalition, the leading industry group in Pennsylvania, said in a statement that "transparency and making data available to the public is critical to getting this historic opportunity right and maintaining the public's trust."

Great. Why don't you start by telling us what's in the shiat you're pumping into the ground?

That would make it easier for people to dump it into their well and then sue for 50 million dollars.


Yep, that's the reason.

*eye rolls*
 
2014-01-05 10:15:51 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: NewportBarGuy: Are you people suggesting that oil companies might harm the environment? I've never heard of such a thing!

Never heard of waitresses that write their own 'hate comment' on receipts either....

Money, what doesn't it do?



Well, it doesn't show up unannounced on my doorstep. Money, why can't you be more like annoying relatives?
 
2014-01-05 10:27:03 PM  

Zafler: radarlove: Zafler: Turbo Cojones: The sister in question?

Oh, wow, I didn't know anyone had kept copies of that. That poor girls brother (step-brother?) really didn't know what he was doing.

I am unaware of this meme, what's the story?

Some farker posted a picture of his, I think, step-sister dressed as rainbow brite. I vaguely recall another picture of the same girl sitting topless at a keyboard. He regretted it.


Pics or it didn't happen.
 
2014-01-05 10:57:08 PM  
The guy who did the first geological survey of Michigan's UP came from Pennsylvania. He got into geology because he was fascinated in how he could set the stream next to his family's property on fire. That was in the mid 1800's I think.

Pennsylvania has always had methane or something in its water. My mom was from West Virginia and I grew up hearing folklore about it.
 
2014-01-05 10:57:44 PM  

Thunderpipes: Hehehe, how is Obama kool-aid? Texas is growing, it is the place to be, because it is not a retarded moron left wing loony state that kicks business out and makes crap up.


Yeah.  Business is booming in Texas.

i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2014-01-05 11:03:26 PM  

ReverendJynxed: Zafler: radarlove: Zafler: Turbo Cojones: The sister in question?

Oh, wow, I didn't know anyone had kept copies of that. That poor girls brother (step-brother?) really didn't know what he was doing.

I am unaware of this meme, what's the story?

Some farker posted a picture of his, I think, step-sister dressed as rainbow brite. I vaguely recall another picture of the same girl sitting topless at a keyboard. He regretted it.

Pics or it didn't happen.


Just for you, I spent 5 minutes tracking to down: NSFW
 
2014-01-05 11:05:15 PM  
Not sure it was same girl as Rainbow Brite now, been a few years. Meh, they'll probably get vanished soon enough.
 
2014-01-05 11:05:17 PM  

Zafler: ReverendJynxed: Zafler: radarlove: Zafler: Turbo Cojones: The sister in question?

Oh, wow, I didn't know anyone had kept copies of that. That poor girls brother (step-brother?) really didn't know what he was doing.

I am unaware of this meme, what's the story?

Some farker posted a picture of his, I think, step-sister dressed as rainbow brite. I vaguely recall another picture of the same girl sitting topless at a keyboard. He regretted it.

Pics or it didn't happen.

Just for you, I spent 5 minutes tracking to down: NSFW



Wow, that looks like a Microsoft ergonomic keyboard.
 
2014-01-05 11:06:26 PM  
Don't know if fracking is to blame out not but if you have a bad casing ran by an incompetent cement crew the chemicals will get into the groundwater. Here in Oklahoma they say the recent earthquakes are caused by the injection wells and want to actually attempt to recreate a scenario to make a man made quake to see if the wells are causing them
 
2014-01-05 11:12:22 PM  
Wonder what would happen if Oil execs where required to drink water from these well on a regular bases.
 
2014-01-05 11:15:35 PM  
... but... but... fracking is saaaaaaaaaaaafe!
 
2014-01-05 11:26:35 PM  
Here is some of the crap we've had to deal with in Pennsylvania:

Doctors cannot tell their patients what is in fracking chemicals if they obtain that information from fracking companies.

A 7- and 10-year old were barred FOR LIFE from talking about fracking in a settlement with a fracking company.

The state government took away the rights of local governments to restrict fracking activities in any way.
(Fortunately, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court recently overturned this power grab by our "small government" legislators.)

Are these the actions of an industry you would trust?
 
2014-01-05 11:36:04 PM  
As someone with three petroleum engineers in the family*, I definitely agree fracking is a long-term problem if done irresponsibly. It's small companies that cut corners to maximize profit at the expense of the environment that are giving fracking a bad name.

Some countries are holding off on making a decision until more conclusive studies are done. So long as fracking is done correctly in more remote parts, I see nothing wrong with it.

1] PhD from #1 university in the nation, along with work experience in seven countries, 2] Masters working at a Houston-based company, 3] Masters working overseas for a subsidiary pipeline coating company
 
2014-01-05 11:39:52 PM  

stuffy: Wonder what would happen if Oil execs where required to drink water from these well on a regular bases.


www.wgaeast.org
 
2014-01-05 11:43:14 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: Corporations are people so write some three strikes laws for them. 3rd contamination, you get nationalized.


Bingo bango ready to go go

/so much this
 
2014-01-05 11:45:07 PM  
Meh.  It's the sole source of water for thousands of people.  How important could that be?  Just keep dumping shiat into like there's no tomorrow.  The market will sort things out.
 
2014-01-05 11:46:56 PM  

lumiere: As someone with three petroleum engineers in the family*, I definitely agree fracking is a long-term problem if done irresponsibly. It's small companies that cut corners to maximize profit at the expense of the environment that are giving fracking a bad name.

Some countries are holding off on making a decision until more conclusive studies are done. So long as fracking is done correctly in more remote parts, I see nothing wrong with it.

1] PhD from #1 university in the nation, along with work experience in seven countries, 2] Masters working at a Houston-based company, 3] Masters working overseas for a subsidiary pipeline coating company


Ya ya ya small companies are the problem. Please tell me again how it is the little guy with limited money and resources that cause such big problems.
 
2014-01-05 11:58:56 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: lumiere: As someone with three petroleum engineers in the family*, I definitely agree fracking is a long-term problem if done irresponsibly. It's small companies that cut corners to maximize profit at the expense of the environment that are giving fracking a bad name.

Some countries are holding off on making a decision until more conclusive studies are done. So long as fracking is done correctly in more remote parts, I see nothing wrong with it.

1] PhD from #1 university in the nation, along with work experience in seven countries, 2] Masters working at a Houston-based company, 3] Masters working overseas for a subsidiary pipeline coating company

Ya ya ya small companies are the problem. Please tell me again how it is the little guy with limited money and resources that cause such big problems.


Irresponsible small companies trying to get a quick buck. This doesn't preclude big companies from sharing the same detrimental yet highly profitable practices. And it doesn't preclude small companies with some form of ethical responsibility to their communities.

Don't shoot the messenger, I'm simply repeating what I've been told.  I still agree more conclusive studies should be done as it is too soon to tell. And trust me, no one in my family is a fan of the big oil companies. No one works for one and not a single one will defend them.
 
2014-01-06 12:22:32 AM  
Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque:

Your tap water spontaneously combusting is the sort of thing you'd notice before drilling started, I think.

That has been happening for thousands of years, in fact as long as wells have existed. In fact, it was far more common before oil was even discovered than today, for obvious reasons.

The question is whether it is an odd coincidence.

We test wells, before drilling, we test them during, and after, and we hold companies 100% responsible for all damages.

But that would be too easy.

Better we just keep arguing and let the politicians play their hand.
 
2014-01-06 02:16:16 AM  

radarlove: tripleseven: WelldeadLink: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: MarkEC: Is it any wonder after there is drilling nearby that people get their water tested and when the report comes back that they have methane in it they blame the drilling?

Your tap water spontaneously combusting is the sort of thing you'd notice before drilling started, I think.

Have you tried to light your water?

The reason they know it is new is because the water started "sputtering" out of the taps, instead of flowing.  That sputtering was the gas interrupting the water flow.  It didn't start until after fracking, which is why they noticed it.

What do you got next?

That's pretty much exactly how it happened at my sibling's pad.


So methane in the pipes? Nice, not really.
 
2014-01-06 09:39:51 AM  

Ex-Texan: i like how the proponents loudly proclaim there's no evidence of any issues. yet, when there is, they pretend it doesn't exist, and keep up with business as usual. facts mean nothing.


But enough about GMO foods or 9/11 truth or Obama's phony birth certificate. The truth is out there sheeple!!!
 
2014-01-06 05:29:26 PM  

Sell your oil shares, buy water shares!

You heard it here first!

 
2014-01-06 05:34:09 PM  

All Latest: Sell your oil shares, buy water shares!You heard it here first!


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