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2014-01-05 05:33:38 PM  
Weird that the states would have let such reports get out.
 
2014-01-05 05:39:35 PM  
I'm sure it's just an isolated incidence

/because... why would anyone lie about a thing like that?
 
2014-01-05 06:02:11 PM  
Actually, the number of complaints vs number on confirmation seems to point that Fracking may not be as bad as environmentalist feared.

But the issue is transparency. We can't make sound decisions unless we know all the facts.
 
2014-01-05 06:20:15 PM  
Steve Forde, a spokesman for the Marcellus Shale Coalition, the leading industry group in Pennsylvania, said in a statement that "transparency and making data available to the public is critical to getting this historic opportunity right and maintaining the public's trust."

Great. Why don't you start by telling us what's in the shiat you're pumping into the ground?
 
2014-01-05 06:38:14 PM  
They're not shocked. They just have too much integrity to out the environmentalists that polluted the water in yet another failed attempt to make the oil industry look greedy.
 
2014-01-05 06:39:08 PM  

digistil: They're not shocked. They just have too much integrity to out the environmentalists that polluted the water in yet another failed attempt to make the oil industry look greedy.


Lolwut?
 
2014-01-05 06:39:18 PM  
Hippy claptrap.

/just kidding
//sister lives in Weld County, CO
///her faucets shoot fire instead of water sometimes
 
2014-01-05 06:41:10 PM  

Fart_Machine: digistil: They're not shocked. They just have too much integrity to out the environmentalists that polluted the water in yet another failed attempt to make the oil industry look greedy.

Lolwut?


He was kidding.

/I assume
//I hope
///I slashie
 
2014-01-05 06:42:02 PM  
Some people who rely on well water near drilling operations have complained about pollution, but there's been considerable confusion over how widespread such problems are. For example, starting in 2011, the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection aggressively fought efforts by the AP and other news organizations to obtain information about complaints related to drilling. The department has argued in court filings that it does not count how many contamination "determination letters" it issues or track where they are kept in its files.

Conflict of interest much? Seriously, what do these people DO if they don't actively track pollution in the state?
 
2014-01-05 06:43:45 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Actually, the number of complaints vs number on confirmation seems to point that Fracking may not be as bad as environmentalist feared.

But the issue is transparency. We can't make sound decisions unless we know all the facts.


I was surprised that Texas had the best state reporting. Then I saw: 2000 complaints, 62 investigations, -0- confirmations in the last decade.

Uh huh.

/oil companies have home field advantage there
 
2014-01-05 06:44:46 PM  

Vector R: Some people who rely on well water near drilling operations have complained about pollution, but there's been considerable confusion over how widespread such problems are. For example, starting in 2011, the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection aggressively fought efforts by the AP and other news organizations to obtain information about complaints related to drilling. The department has argued in court filings that it does not count how many contamination "determination letters" it issues or track where they are kept in its files.

Conflict of interest much? Seriously, what do these people DO if they don't actively track pollution in the state?


That bribe money isn't going to spend itself.
 
2014-01-05 06:45:50 PM  

radarlove: Hippy claptrap.

/just kidding
//sister lives in Weld County, CO
///her faucets shoot fire instead of water sometimes


Hot water problems solved forever!!!
 
2014-01-05 06:46:18 PM  

radarlove: Hippy claptrap.

/just kidding
//sister lives in Weld County, CO
///her faucets shoot fire instead of water sometimes


There's medicine for that these days.

/hadn't heard "faucet" as a euphemism before
//tell your sister to call me after she's "back to water"
 
2014-01-05 06:46:50 PM  

Prey4reign: radarlove: Hippy claptrap.

/just kidding
//sister lives in Weld County, CO
///her faucets shoot fire instead of water sometimes

Hot water problems solved forever!!!


And nothing kills germs better than FIRE!
 
2014-01-05 06:50:05 PM  
Start: Obfuscation program tier 1.
 
2014-01-05 06:50:24 PM  
In a Penn State study a few years back, they found less than half of all water wells have ever been tested. Is it any wonder after there is drilling nearby that people get their water tested and when the report comes back that they have methane in it they blame the drilling?
The drilling companies have started testing well water before and after they drill to see if there were any changes and it's paying off for them in better quality control and fewer true complaints.
 
2014-01-05 06:50:32 PM  
Are you people suggesting that oil companies might harm the environment? I've never heard of such a thing!
 
2014-01-05 06:51:12 PM  
- A Texas spreadsheet contains more than 2,000 complaints, and 62 of those allege possible well-water contamination from oil and gas activity, said Ramona Nye, a spokeswoman for the Railroad Commission of Texas, which oversees drilling. Texas regulators haven't confirmed a single case of drilling-related water-well contamination in the past 10 years, she said.
 
2014-01-05 06:51:41 PM  

brimed03: Darth_Lukecash: Actually, the number of complaints vs number on confirmation seems to point that Fracking may not be as bad as environmentalist feared.

But the issue is transparency. We can't make sound decisions unless we know all the facts.

I was surprised that Texas had the best state reporting. Then I saw: 2000 complaints, 62 investigations, -0- confirmations in the last decade.

Uh huh.

/oil companies have home field advantage there




Good point: this is why we need transparency. 20000 complaints, only 62 investigations?

Unless, those many complaints were part of a single investigation. Even still, suspicious.

I want to see methodology and investigative practice revealed.
 
2014-01-05 06:51:46 PM  

radarlove: Hippy claptrap.

/just kidding
//sister lives in Weld County, CO
///her faucets shoot fire instead of water sometimes


Didn't they want to form their own state (along with a few other counties) up there?
 
2014-01-05 06:53:53 PM  
So Texas is the most transparent, and has no drilling related issues. The other states have allegations, but can't even tell why since the issues seem to be pretty ambiguous.

News at 11:00.
 
2014-01-05 06:54:36 PM  

MarkEC: Is it any wonder after there is drilling nearby that people get their water tested and when the report comes back that they have methane in it they blame the drilling?


Your tap water spontaneously combusting is the sort of thing you'd notice before drilling started, I think.
 
2014-01-05 06:55:39 PM  
Pennsylvania West Virginia, and Ohio are proud to report that absolutely no pollution due to their fracking activities has impacted the Gulf of Mexico.
 
2014-01-05 06:56:54 PM  

Your Hind Brain: radarlove: Hippy claptrap.

/just kidding
//sister lives in Weld County, CO
///her faucets shoot fire instead of water sometimes

Didn't they want to form their own state (along with a few other counties) up there?


Ugh, some of them, yes.  If it wouldn't ruin my nephew's education I'd say let them have their own Tea-ocracy with all of the bullets and flaming tapwater they can handle.
 
2014-01-05 07:00:57 PM  
Dan Rather reporting?
 
2014-01-05 07:01:21 PM  
I dunno...if you hold us accountable for poisoning the groundwater, we might have to fire a bunch of people...You wouldn't want that, would you?
 
2014-01-05 07:07:10 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Are you people suggesting that oil companies might harm the environment? I've never heard of such a thing!



My money is on a false flag operation.
 
2014-01-05 07:07:13 PM  
It pains me to badmouth the industry that pays me enough to enjoy the lifestyle I lead. But oil men are just as crooked as wall street bankers. They should have way more government oversight than they do. All that matters to these assholes is money. Regardless of who it makes sick, how much land it ruins, or who it gets killed.

like wall street the oil industry should have a profit cap.

it would go a long way to eleminate the profits above all attitude, or atleast practice that seems to permeate big business.

if it hurts my bottom line so what? I can adapt and overcome. These assholes should be put in that same position.

irresponsibility should cost them dearly.
 
2014-01-05 07:08:37 PM  

brimed03: I was surprised that Texas had the best state reporting. Then I saw: 2000 complaints, 62 investigations, -0- confirmations in the last decade.

Uh huh.


The best example in Texas was where, stop me if you've heard this before, the landowner had fire coming out of his faucet!  yep.  Iron clad proof them oil companies done polluted his well water.  The folks in charge came out within three days and investigated everything.  Decided that the gas coming out couldn't have come from the fracking of the well.  Land owner pissed.

And then... this is the knee slapper twist for ya... it turns out that the video of the gas coming out of the land owners well was taken two years before any oil and gas operations in the area.  The date of the tape turned up after the investigation was over.  It seems the neighbors knew about all this and shut up during the investigation process.  Suffice to say the land owner did too, as he's the one that told the neighbors about this fire in the water thing.

In many areas, the gas coming from the gas shale would have a distinctive chemical signature, and the gas near Ft. Worth from the Barnett in no way resembles the stuff coming from the shallower reservoir that naturally contaminated the yet shallower water supplies.

I realize this explanation isn't going to allay any conspiracy theories you have about energy companies, but I don't really care.
 
2014-01-05 07:10:00 PM  
Of course no one can prove that fracking contaminates ground water.  Technically, no one can prove that the sun came up in the morning.  There hasn't been a sunrise in Texas... ever.  Now, let's get back to talking about how a pipeline could prevent these needless train derailments.
 
2014-01-05 07:13:14 PM  
It's not polluted.  It's fortified.
 
2014-01-05 07:13:54 PM  

Thunderpipes: So Texas is the most transparent, and has no drilling related issues. The other states have allegations, but can't even tell why since the issues seem to be pretty ambiguous.

News at 11:00.


Yeah, just like they have no idea why all of a sudden there are earthquakes left and right in Texas now and getting stronger. Keep pretending the state that brags about few regulations and being pro-business is sweeping all of this under the rug. Azle, Texas has had 28 earthquakes since November 1st and the state just ignores it and pretends to not know anything
 
2014-01-05 07:15:07 PM  
my milkshake brings all the oil to your yard
 
2014-01-05 07:15:19 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Azle, Texas has had 28 earthquakes since November 1st and the state just ignores it and pretends to not know anything


Pfffft. Amateurs. California's had 28 earthquakes since breakfast.
 
2014-01-05 07:16:00 PM  
but, but, but...just think of the money...
 
2014-01-05 07:16:22 PM  
Much like how ammonia kills germs...adding some petroleum by products to the water dippy is actually healthier for you according to some studies. Otherwise you are a hypocrite if you clean your kitchen with windex and complain about this.
 
2014-01-05 07:18:36 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Thunderpipes: So Texas is the most transparent, and has no drilling related issues. The other states have allegations, but can't even tell why since the issues seem to be pretty ambiguous.

News at 11:00.

Yeah, just like they have no idea why all of a sudden there are earthquakes left and right in Texas now and getting stronger. Keep pretending the state that brags about few regulations and being pro-business is sweeping all of this under the rug. Azle, Texas has had 28 earthquakes since November 1st and the state just ignores it and pretends to not know anything


Hehehe, how is Obama kool-aid? Texas is growing, it is the place to be, because it is not a retarded moron left wing loony state that kicks business out and makes crap up.
 
2014-01-05 07:19:09 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Peter von Nostrand: Azle, Texas has had 28 earthquakes since November 1st and the state just ignores it and pretends to not know anything

Pfffft. Amateurs. California's had 28 earthquakes since breakfast.



There are earthquakes in the craton. Just coincidentally near fracking sites.

Jiggity.
 
2014-01-05 07:19:32 PM  
www.duramaxforum.com
 
2014-01-05 07:24:29 PM  

Thunderpipes: Peter von Nostrand: Thunderpipes: So Texas is the most transparent, and has no drilling related issues. The other states have allegations, but can't even tell why since the issues seem to be pretty ambiguous.

News at 11:00.

Yeah, just like they have no idea why all of a sudden there are earthquakes left and right in Texas now and getting stronger. Keep pretending the state that brags about few regulations and being pro-business is sweeping all of this under the rug. Azle, Texas has had 28 earthquakes since November 1st and the state just ignores it and pretends to not know anything

Hehehe, how is Obama kool-aid? Texas is growing, it is the place to be, because it is not a retarded moron left wing loony state that kicks business out and makes crap up.


Oh, ok. Clearly I'm talking to a moron. Go about your business
 
2014-01-05 07:25:57 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Peter von Nostrand: Azle, Texas has had 28 earthquakes since November 1st and the state just ignores it and pretends to not know anything

Pfffft. Amateurs. California's had 28 earthquakes since breakfast.


Well apparently to the moron upthread it has to do with Obama. Or something
 
2014-01-05 07:29:51 PM  

snowshovel: Much like how ammonia kills germs...adding some petroleum by products to the water dippy is actually healthier for you according to some studies. Otherwise you are a hypocrite if you clean your kitchen with windex and complain about this.


Whenever I feel a cold coming on I just drink a bunch of Windex. Clears it right up!
 
2014-01-05 07:31:11 PM  
The actual data isn't nearly as alarmist as the headline would imply. The fast majority of the complaints were about reduced water availability, not contamination.

I'd wager the vast majority of the reports of contamination are as legitimate as people who "get sick" from wind turbines a few miles away.
 
2014-01-05 07:31:12 PM  
Funny how the right-wing "If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide" 'tards will defend the oil companies' pumping undisclosed shiat into the groundwater.

Oh, wait, I forgot, although the NSA is just doing the same shiat it's been doing for years (and even longer, if you account for changes in technology), now that Obama's President, it's the WORST THING EVAR
 
2014-01-05 07:33:11 PM  

LordJiro: Funny how the right-wing "If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide" 'tards will defend the oil companies' pumping undisclosed shiat into the groundwater.

Oh, wait, I forgot, although the NSA is just doing the same shiat it's been doing for years (and even longer, if you account for changes in technology), now that Obama's President, it's the WORST THING EVAR


My point, which I admit got away from me a bit, being that the right wing seems to think corporations have more of a right to privacy than citizens, unless they feel like biatching about a Democrat.
 
2014-01-05 07:33:39 PM  

radarlove: Hippy claptrap.

/just kidding
//sister lives in Weld County, CO
///her faucets shoot fire instead of water sometimes


Nice bullshiat you got there. Back it up.
 
2014-01-05 07:33:53 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: MarkEC: Is it any wonder after there is drilling nearby that people get their water tested and when the report comes back that they have methane in it they blame the drilling?

Your tap water spontaneously combusting is the sort of thing you'd notice before drilling started, I think.


If anything the oil companies should sue these people that are stealing gas.
 
2014-01-05 07:34:37 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Thunderpipes: Peter von Nostrand: Thunderpipes: So Texas is the most transparent, and has no drilling related issues. The other states have allegations, but can't even tell why since the issues seem to be pretty ambiguous.

News at 11:00.

Yeah, just like they have no idea why all of a sudden there are earthquakes left and right in Texas now and getting stronger. Keep pretending the state that brags about few regulations and being pro-business is sweeping all of this under the rug. Azle, Texas has had 28 earthquakes since November 1st and the state just ignores it and pretends to not know anything

Hehehe, how is Obama kool-aid? Texas is growing, it is the place to be, because it is not a retarded moron left wing loony state that kicks business out and makes crap up.

Oh, ok. Clearly I'm talking to a moron. Go about your business


"I'll bet that not only can I poison an entire state filled with these mouth breathers, but I can get them to defend my business while I do it."
- Mortimer T. Chevron
 
2014-01-05 07:35:48 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Thunderpipes: Peter von Nostrand: Thunderpipes: So Texas is the most transparent, and has no drilling related issues. The other states have allegations, but can't even tell why since the issues seem to be pretty ambiguous.

News at 11:00.

Yeah, just like they have no idea why all of a sudden there are earthquakes left and right in Texas now and getting stronger. Keep pretending the state that brags about few regulations and being pro-business is sweeping all of this under the rug. Azle, Texas has had 28 earthquakes since November 1st and the state just ignores it and pretends to not know anything

Hehehe, how is Obama kool-aid? Texas is growing, it is the place to be, because it is not a retarded moron left wing loony state that kicks business out and makes crap up.

Oh, ok. Clearly I'm talking to a moron. Go about your business


You just can't handle being told off by a fat, hairy woman, can you?
 
2014-01-05 07:38:39 PM  
DRILL BABY DRILL!!

/durp
 
2014-01-05 07:40:55 PM  

WTFDYW: radarlove: Hippy claptrap.

/just kidding
//sister lives in Weld County, CO
///her faucets shoot fire instead of water sometimes

Nice bullshiat you got there. Back it up.


With what?  I didn't take pictures or anything.  I witnessed it visually as it was happening.  I know some of her neighbors have the same problem and I heard they made a movie about them or something.  I can mail her and ask her the title if you like?
 
2014-01-05 07:42:08 PM  

digistil: Peter von Nostrand: Thunderpipes: Peter von Nostrand: Thunderpipes: So Texas is the most transparent, and has no drilling related issues. The other states have allegations, but can't even tell why since the issues seem to be pretty ambiguous.

News at 11:00.

Yeah, just like they have no idea why all of a sudden there are earthquakes left and right in Texas now and getting stronger. Keep pretending the state that brags about few regulations and being pro-business is sweeping all of this under the rug. Azle, Texas has had 28 earthquakes since November 1st and the state just ignores it and pretends to not know anything

Hehehe, how is Obama kool-aid? Texas is growing, it is the place to be, because it is not a retarded moron left wing loony state that kicks business out and makes crap up.

Oh, ok. Clearly I'm talking to a moron. Go about your business

You just can't handle being told off by a fat, hairy woman, can you?


Well there was that one night after the circus and some tequila shots that I was sucked..... Ummmmm, never mind I've said too much already
 
2014-01-05 07:42:26 PM  

fusillade762: Steve Forde, a spokesman for the Marcellus Shale Coalition, the leading industry group in Pennsylvania, said in a statement that "transparency and making data available to the public is critical to getting this historic opportunity right and maintaining the public's trust."

Great. Why don't you start by telling us what's in the shiat you're pumping into the ground?


Yeah, Range Resources can make all the fluffy advertisements about how they're "helping the community" and crap, but until they actually tell us what they're pumping into the ground, I'm not trusting them.

/Has family around Pittsburgh
 
2014-01-05 07:44:40 PM  

digistil: You just can't handle being told off by a fat, hairy woman, can you?


Mom?
 
2014-01-05 07:44:49 PM  
So...there is a chance I can have natural firewater?

/proof, octane, what's the difference...
 
2014-01-05 07:44:54 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Thunderpipes: Peter von Nostrand: Thunderpipes: So Texas is the most transparent, and has no drilling related issues. The other states have allegations, but can't even tell why since the issues seem to be pretty ambiguous.

News at 11:00.

Yeah, just like they have no idea why all of a sudden there are earthquakes left and right in Texas now and getting stronger. Keep pretending the state that brags about few regulations and being pro-business is sweeping all of this under the rug. Azle, Texas has had 28 earthquakes since November 1st and the state just ignores it and pretends to not know anything

Hehehe, how is Obama kool-aid? Texas is growing, it is the place to be, because it is not a retarded moron left wing loony state that kicks business out and makes crap up.

Oh, ok. Clearly I'm talking to a moron. Go about your business


I'm a little surprised you didn't know that.  Thunderpipes in sort of infamous for being a complete and total idiot.  But hey, he's not actually conservative, he's just has insane tribal loyalty to the Republican party and isn't smart enough to separate his own identity from its talking points.
 
2014-01-05 07:45:20 PM  

radarlove: WTFDYW: radarlove: Hippy claptrap.

/just kidding
//sister lives in Weld County, CO
///her faucets shoot fire instead of water sometimes

Nice bullshiat you got there. Back it up.

With what?  I didn't take pictures or anything.  I witnessed it visually as it was happening.  I know some of her neighbors have the same problem and I heard they made a movie about them or something.  I can mail her and ask her the title if you like?


It's happened in North Dakota too.

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/422372/
 
2014-01-05 07:51:08 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: MarkEC: Is it any wonder after there is drilling nearby that people get their water tested and when the report comes back that they have methane in it they blame the drilling?

Your tap water spontaneously combusting is the sort of thing you'd notice before drilling started, I think.


Have you tried to light your water?
 
2014-01-05 07:53:48 PM  

Thunderpipes: Peter von Nostrand: Thunderpipes: So Texas is the most transparent, and has no drilling related issues. The other states have allegations, but can't even tell why since the issues seem to be pretty ambiguous.

News at 11:00.

Yeah, just like they have no idea why all of a sudden there are earthquakes left and right in Texas now and getting stronger. Keep pretending the state that brags about few regulations and being pro-business is sweeping all of this under the rug. Azle, Texas has had 28 earthquakes since November 1st and the state just ignores it and pretends to not know anything

Hehehe, how is Obama kool-aid? Texas is growing, it is the place to be, because it is not a retarded moron left wing loony state that kicks business out and makes crap up.


Being a habitual offender of ignoring factual information doesn't make you right you know.

Being a blatant bigoted asshole doesn't make you right either FYI.
 
2014-01-05 07:58:04 PM  
Bareefer Obonghit:

"I'll bet that not only can I poison an entire state filled with these mouth breathers, but I can get them to defend my business while I do it."
- Mortimer T. Chevron



My googlefu is not that bad, and I can't find any mention of that person or that quote.
 
2014-01-05 08:01:46 PM  
Fracking is so safe that these companies hired Hill and Knowlton, the same PR firm that cigarette companies hired back in the '50s to help promote their safety. Hiring former Army psyops specialists to influence and manipulate local communities is also a testament to the safety of fracking.
 
2014-01-05 08:01:55 PM  

Mrtraveler01: fusillade762: Steve Forde, a spokesman for the Marcellus Shale Coalition, the leading industry group in Pennsylvania, said in a statement that "transparency and making data available to the public is critical to getting this historic opportunity right and maintaining the public's trust."

Great. Why don't you start by telling us what's in the shiat you're pumping into the ground?

Yeah, Range Resources can make all the fluffy advertisements about how they're "helping the community" and crap, but until they actually tell us what they're pumping into the ground, I'm not trusting them.

/Has family around Pittsburgh


Its cracks in wellhead casing that you need to worry about. Whatever they're pumping 100ft underground is an after thought at best (unless they dump it in a creek)
 
2014-01-05 08:03:37 PM  

Thunderpipes: Peter von Nostrand: Thunderpipes: So Texas is the most transparent, and has no drilling related issues. The other states have allegations, but can't even tell why since the issues seem to be pretty ambiguous.

News at 11:00.

Yeah, just like they have no idea why all of a sudden there are earthquakes left and right in Texas now and getting stronger. Keep pretending the state that brags about few regulations and being pro-business is sweeping all of this under the rug. Azle, Texas has had 28 earthquakes since November 1st and the state just ignores it and pretends to not know anything

Hehehe, how is Obama kool-aid? Texas is growing, it is the place to be, because it is not a retarded moron left wing loony state that kicks business out and makes crap up.


Jessh... your knees must be skinned to the bone due to all the corporate fellatio.
 
2014-01-05 08:04:40 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Fracking is so safe that these companies hired Hill and Knowlton, the same PR firm that cigarette companies hired back in the '50s to help promote their safety. Hiring former Army psyops specialists to influence and manipulate local communities is also a testament to the safety of fracking.


i1.ytimg.com

FRACK!
 
2014-01-05 08:04:41 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Bareefer Obonghit:

"I'll bet that not only can I poison an entire state filled with these mouth breathers, but I can get them to defend my business while I do it."
- Mortimer T. Chevron


My googlefu is not that bad, and I can't find any mention of that person or that quote.


Funny, I found an image of him right away.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-05 08:05:08 PM  

Thunderpipes: Peter von Nostrand: Thunderpipes: So Texas is the most transparent, and has no drilling related issues. The other states have allegations, but can't even tell why since the issues seem to be pretty ambiguous.

News at 11:00.

Yeah, just like they have no idea why all of a sudden there are earthquakes left and right in Texas now and getting stronger. Keep pretending the state that brags about few regulations and being pro-business is sweeping all of this under the rug. Azle, Texas has had 28 earthquakes since November 1st and the state just ignores it and pretends to not know anything

Hehehe, how is Obama kool-aid? Texas is growing, it is the place to be, because it is not a retarded moron left wing loony state that kicks business out and makes crap up.


This was made up?

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/Texas-official-holds-town-hall-meetin g- on-quakes-in-Azle-238475161.html
 
2014-01-05 08:13:05 PM  

XveryYpettyZ: Oh, ok. Clearly I'm talking to a moron. Go about your business

I'm a little surprised you didn't know that.  Thunderpipes in sort of infamous for being a complete and total idiot.  But hey, he's not actually conservative, he's just has insane tribal loyalty to the Republican party and isn't smart enough to separate his own identity from its talking points.


I thought everyone here was familiar with TPipes shtick. He's on about the same level as 10LBs and Skinnyhead. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if they were all the same person.
 
2014-01-05 08:14:14 PM  
Is this related to the stories of the people complaining about the flammability of their water near fracking sites all of the sudden, when people who don't run to the media report their water has been flammable since the 40's?
 
2014-01-05 08:15:41 PM  

ShadowKamui: Mrtraveler01: fusillade762: Steve Forde, a spokesman for the Marcellus Shale Coalition, the leading industry group in Pennsylvania, said in a statement that "transparency and making data available to the public is critical to getting this historic opportunity right and maintaining the public's trust."

Great. Why don't you start by telling us what's in the shiat you're pumping into the ground?

Yeah, Range Resources can make all the fluffy advertisements about how they're "helping the community" and crap, but until they actually tell us what they're pumping into the ground, I'm not trusting them.

/Has family around Pittsburgh


We'll find out what chemicals they use after the autopsy.
 
2014-01-05 08:15:44 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: MarkEC: Is it any wonder after there is drilling nearby that people get their water tested and when the report comes back that they have methane in it they blame the drilling?

Your tap water spontaneously combusting is the sort of thing you'd notice before drilling started, I think.


You're right, and they did.  They just didn't have a company with deep pockets to lay the blame on at the time, but now they do.

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/ten_big_fat_lies_about_ fr acking/13944#.UsoCt2t5mSM
 
2014-01-05 08:20:43 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: MarkEC: Is it any wonder after there is drilling nearby that people get their water tested and when the report comes back that they have methane in it they blame the drilling?

Your tap water spontaneously combusting is the sort of thing you'd notice before drilling started, I think.

You're right, and they did.  They just didn't have a company with deep pockets to lay the blame on at the time, but now they do.

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/ten_big_fat_lies_about_ fr acking/13944#.UsoCt2t5mSM


And so you cite an article written by a producer of a pro-fracking movie that was heavily promoted by the fracking industry?
 
2014-01-05 08:31:18 PM  
If it was a few years ago when President Bush was in office then we could have said that Oil and Gas companies were bad.    Maybe declare any big oil to be exploiting and raping the land and water etc...


But if it's my political party in office, then there is no problem.    Stewards of the land.  It's all good.
 
2014-01-05 08:31:28 PM  
Round up the usual suspects!
 
2014-01-05 08:32:08 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Actually, the number of complaints vs number on confirmation seems to point that Fracking may not be as bad as environmentalist feared.

But the issue is transparency. We can't make sound decisions unless we know all the facts.


Dont look for big oil to provide information on their operations. Even if they have the info they will make the parties involved dig it out the hard way.

As long as they are making money they will never admit to wrongdoing. They will obfuscate and delay and when forced to they will pay off in a backroom deal, but they will make sure a signed release absolving them of any responsibility will be signed first.
 
2014-01-05 08:34:53 PM  

Heraclitus: but they will make sure a signed release absolving them of any responsibility will be signed first.


And force any affected persons to sign an NDA. Because fracking is so safe.
 
2014-01-05 08:37:46 PM  
In a word- "Duh!"

You can't have your kayak and heat it too. Growing the economy, growing business, growing the democrat-voting base, "going forth and multiplying"... it all comes at a price. All these rights without attendant responsibilities are finally catching up to us. And, thanks to a federal- grade case of denial, the can they're so busy kicking down the road is really a snowball, and snowballing to E.L.E.- proportions. The real question: how many species are we going to take with us? The real problem is that the democrats can't beat the drum of Responsibility too hard, because they know that every last regulation, every requirement, every expense upon business becomes an "outlay" for them, and therefore, ends up costing the consumer more than twice the original cost, in the form of profits and taxes (governmental profits). Fracking, as harmful as it is, will continue because our paranoid coke-whore of a government needs the money to spy on everybody.
 
2014-01-05 08:37:58 PM  

brimed03: radarlove: Hippy claptrap.

/just kidding
//sister lives in Weld County, CO
///her faucets shoot fire instead of water sometimes

There's medicine for that these days.

/hadn't heard "faucet" as a euphemism before
//tell your sister to call me after she's "back to water"


i41.tinypic.comThe sister in question?
 
2014-01-05 08:39:19 PM  
Enjoy your poisoned water.
 
2014-01-05 08:41:58 PM  

HAMMERTOE: In a word- "Duh!"

You can't have your kayak and heat it too. Growing the economy, growing business, growing the democrat-voting base, "going forth and multiplying"... it all comes at a price. All these rights without attendant responsibilities are finally catching up to us. And, thanks to a federal- grade case of denial, the can they're so busy kicking down the road is really a snowball, and snowballing to E.L.E.- proportions. The real question: how many species are we going to take with us? The real problem is that the democrats can't beat the drum of Responsibility too hard, because they know that every last regulation, every requirement, every expense upon business becomes an "outlay" for them, and therefore, ends up costing the consumer more than twice the original cost, in the form of profits and taxes (governmental profits). Fracking, as harmful as it is, will continue because our paranoid coke-whore of a government needs the money to spy on everybody.


Seriously... what the fark are you on about??  Did you drink contaminated well water as a kid?
 
2014-01-05 08:43:38 PM  

Maul555: - A Texas spreadsheet contains more than 2,000 complaints, and 62 of those allege possible well-water contamination from oil and gas activity, said Ramona Nye, a spokeswoman for the Railroad Commission of Texas, which oversees drilling. Texas regulators haven't confirmed a single case of drilling-related water-well contamination in the past 10 years, she said.


The Texas Railroad Commission, a wholly bought & paid for Subsidiary of Exxon/Mobil/Valero/BP/et al.

It is a rubber-stamp agency run by Perry & Bush's cronies. Just like TEQ. There's no enviromental violation too large to be ignored as long as the campaign checks from Exxon, Haluburton, Valero, BP, etc. keep clearing.
 
2014-01-05 08:44:00 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: And force any affected persons to sign an NDA.


No matter how young they may be.

http://www.post-gazette.com/washington/2013/07/31/Pittsburgh-area-sh al e-settlement-gag-questioned/stories/201307310199

And yet, the fracking industry still has no idea why people don't trust them regardless of how many commercials and "documentaries" they produce.

Maybe if they would stop doing shiat like this anytime anything goes wrong and actually be open and transparent about their operations, maybe...just maybe...people will actually start to trust them.

Nah, what a silly notion.
 
2014-01-05 08:46:46 PM  

Turbo Cojones: The sister in question?


Oh, wow, I didn't know anyone had kept copies of that. That poor girls brother (step-brother?) really didn't know what he was doing.
 
2014-01-05 08:46:46 PM  

Mrtraveler01: And so you cite an article written by a producer of a pro-fracking movie that was heavily promoted by the fracking industry?


Personally, I've only watched one pro-frakking program:

images1.cliqueclack.com
 
2014-01-05 08:46:49 PM  

Texian: Maul555: - A Texas spreadsheet contains more than 2,000 complaints, and 62 of those allege possible well-water contamination from oil and gas activity, said Ramona Nye, a spokeswoman for the Railroad Commission of Texas, which oversees drilling. Texas regulators haven't confirmed a single case of drilling-related water-well contamination in the past 10 years, she said.

The Texas Railroad Commission, a wholly bought & paid for Subsidiary of Exxon/Mobil/Valero/BP/et al.

It is a rubber-stamp agency run by Perry & Bush's cronies. Just like TEQ. There's no enviromental violation too large to be ignored as long as the campaign checks from Exxon, Haluburton, Valero, BP, etc. keep clearing.


I love their handling of the earthquakes in Azule, TX, which was basically to put on a town hall meeting, let a bunch of people vent, and not be able to ask any questions afterwards.

http://www.kxan.com/news/texas/meeting-on-texas-earthquakes-leaves-s om e-residents-frustrated
 
2014-01-05 08:48:40 PM  
Seriously, these pharmaceutical companies have to open up and actually disclose what chemicals they are using in vaccines and stop buying off victims and governmental regulators to squash the truth.

Oh, this thread is about fracking? Sorry, just replace pharma with oil and vaccines with fracking liquid above and I won't need to take my tinfoil hat off.
 
2014-01-05 08:52:07 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Seriously, these pharmaceutical companies have to open up and actually disclose what chemicals they are using in vaccines and stop buying off victims and governmental regulators to squash the truth.

Oh, this thread is about fracking? Sorry, just replace pharma with oil and vaccines with fracking liquid above and I won't need to take my tinfoil hat off.


Vaccines contain ingredients on their packaging. I'd support the fracking companies provide "ingredients" for the material they pump into the ground that could potentially leak into the water supply.
 
2014-01-05 08:52:39 PM  

MarkEC: In a Penn State study a few years back, they found less than half of all water You may need
have ever been tested. Is it any wonder after there is drilling nearby that people get their water tested and when the report comes back that they have methane in it they blame the drilling?
The drilling companies have started testing well water before and after they drill to see if there were any changes and it's paying off for them in better quality control and fewer true complaints.


You may need tp put down the lipstick, and back away from the cat's ass, and pick up the bee balm for the chicken's ass, at this point.
Unless I'm being trolled by a yinzer.
 
2014-01-05 08:54:56 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm sure it's just an isolated incidence

/because... why would anyone lie about a thing like that?


It's no problem, we'll just bring them water from the wal-mart and let them fill the water heater from that.

/until we go bankrupt
 
2014-01-05 08:58:59 PM  

MarkEC: In a Penn State study a few years back, they found less than half of all water wells have ever been tested. Is it any wonder after there is drilling nearby that people get their water tested and when the report comes back that they have methane in it they blame the drilling?
The drilling companies have started testing well water before and after they drill to see if there were any changes and it's paying off for them in better quality control and fewer true complaints.


4/10
No mention of Obama
 
2014-01-05 08:59:01 PM  

XveryYpettyZ: Peter von Nostrand: Thunderpipes: Peter von Nostrand: Thunderpipes: So Texas is the most transparent, and has no drilling related issues. The other states have allegations, but can't even tell why since the issues seem to be pretty ambiguous.

News at 11:00.

Yeah, just like they have no idea why all of a sudden there are earthquakes left and right in Texas now and getting stronger. Keep pretending the state that brags about few regulations and being pro-business is sweeping all of this under the rug. Azle, Texas has had 28 earthquakes since November 1st and the state just ignores it and pretends to not know anything

Hehehe, how is Obama kool-aid? Texas is growing, it is the place to be, because it is not a retarded moron left wing loony state that kicks business out and makes crap up.

Oh, ok. Clearly I'm talking to a moron. Go about your business

I'm a little surprised you didn't know that.  Thunderpipes in sort of infamous for being a complete and total idiot.  But hey, he's not actually conservative, he's just has insane tribal loyalty to the Republican party and isn't smart enough to separate his own identity from its talking points.


I don't know either reading the rest of the comments. Guess I bit. It's been a long few days. There was a fire. My sister's car broke down. There was a flood. An old friend came into town. It's not my fault!
 
2014-01-05 09:00:22 PM  

Zafler: Turbo Cojones: The sister in question?

Oh, wow, I didn't know anyone had kept copies of that. That poor girls brother (step-brother?) really didn't know what he was doing.


I am unaware of this meme, what's the story?
 
2014-01-05 09:02:09 PM  

radarlove: Hippy claptrap.

/just kidding
//sister lives in Weld County, CO
///her faucets shoot fire instead of water sometimes


Wouldn't most persons be like, Hey! free gas.  And then take a trip to the local Home Depot.  I'm sure they know how to hook it up.
 
2014-01-05 09:05:22 PM  

ski9600: radarlove: Hippy claptrap.

/just kidding
//sister lives in Weld County, CO
///her faucets shoot fire instead of water sometimes

Wouldn't most persons be like, Hey! free gas.  And then take a trip to the local Home Depot.  I'm sure they know how to hook it up.


No I think most people say, "heyyyyyyy waitaminute...isn't this stuff supposed to put out fires?"
 
2014-01-05 09:07:15 PM  

toadist: If it was a few years ago when President Bush was in office then we could have said that Oil and Gas companies were bad.    Maybe declare any big oil to be exploiting and raping the land and water etc...


But if it's my political party in office, then there is no problem.    Stewards of the land.  It's all good.


You're so precious. Bless your heart.
 
2014-01-05 09:12:44 PM  
Want all this corruption to stop then hit them in the wallets. Cap corporate profits, it is the only way for the rest of us to get a fair shake.
 
2014-01-05 09:13:19 PM  
The frustrating part here as an engineer is that this pretty definitely isn't what the wingnuts were afraid of-- contamination from the process itself.  The process is fine.  99% sure that this is a failure of containment at ground level, not down in the well.

... which, again, makes it  worse.  If it were a result of the process in the well, it would be a case of "all right, well how do we regulate/mitigate this".  But if shiat is leaking out on the surface... well, we already  know how to fix that, it's already part of the standard procedure.  Meaning this is not a fracking problem, it's a careless/stupid issue.

And it's almost impossible to fix stupid.
 
2014-01-05 09:16:25 PM  

radarlove: Hippy claptrap


static1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-01-05 09:25:47 PM  

WelldeadLink: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: MarkEC: Is it any wonder after there is drilling nearby that people get their water tested and when the report comes back that they have methane in it they blame the drilling?

Your tap water spontaneously combusting is the sort of thing you'd notice before drilling started, I think.

Have you tried to light your water?


The reason they know it is new is because the water started "sputtering" out of the taps, instead of flowing.  That sputtering was the gas interrupting the water flow.  It didn't start until after fracking, which is why they noticed it.

What do you got next?
 
2014-01-05 09:28:08 PM  

tripleseven: WelldeadLink: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: MarkEC: Is it any wonder after there is drilling nearby that people get their water tested and when the report comes back that they have methane in it they blame the drilling?

Your tap water spontaneously combusting is the sort of thing you'd notice before drilling started, I think.

Have you tried to light your water?

The reason they know it is new is because the water started "sputtering" out of the taps, instead of flowing.  That sputtering was the gas interrupting the water flow.  It didn't start until after fracking, which is why they noticed it.

What do you got next?


That's pretty much exactly how it happened at my sibling's pad.
 
2014-01-05 09:32:29 PM  
Fracking causes problems. Gee, didn't see THAT one coming.
 
2014-01-05 09:34:54 PM  
Okay, so, let's assume that fracking for natural gas causes some level of pollution.  Should we stop entirely?

Or should we weigh the ecological benefits (significantly reduced CO2 emissions, less water use than coal and oil plants, etc.) with the new (but different) form of pollution?

I actually tend to lean towards environmentalism, but it drives me up the wall when people refuse to even consider new and incrementally cleaner approaches to energy if there's even the slightest thing wrong with it.  Wind turbines kill birds.  Big solar projects in the CA desert are being blocked because they displace a desert tortoise.  And don't even get me started on safer next-gen nuke plant designs.

I just...  ugh.  We need to figure out the trade-offs and pick something, because sitting and shrieking that everything is crap is just going to leave us sitting here with the worst of every possible choice until we fry the planet.
 
2014-01-05 09:35:37 PM  

radarlove: Zafler: Turbo Cojones: The sister in question?

Oh, wow, I didn't know anyone had kept copies of that. That poor girls brother (step-brother?) really didn't know what he was doing.

I am unaware of this meme, what's the story?


Some farker posted a picture of his, I think, step-sister dressed as rainbow brite. I vaguely recall another picture of the same girl sitting topless at a keyboard. He regretted it.
 
2014-01-05 09:36:48 PM  
That's what happens when you demand that government take away everybody's property rights. Sorry, everybody, but if you vote Democrat or Republican, this is what you get... just drink your polluted water and die.
 
2014-01-05 09:37:45 PM  
Corporations are people so write some three strikes laws for them. 3rd contamination, you get nationalized.
 
2014-01-05 09:42:40 PM  

jaerik: significantly reduced CO2 emissions


But an increase in methane emissions, which is 72X more effective at trapping heat.
 
2014-01-05 09:48:22 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Hiring former Army psyops specialists to influence and manipulate local communities is also a testament to the safety of fracking.


Wow, source on this?  Not calling you out just interested in reading more.
 
2014-01-05 09:52:23 PM  

KidKorporate: Wow, source on this?  Not calling you out just interested in reading more.


There's audio and slides in Gasland 2, but Josh Fox talks about it in this interview.

JOSH FOX: Well, this is audio that was recorded by a blogger named Texas Sharon, working for Earthworks, who was at an oil and gas industry conference where they were discussing all the bad PR that they were getting and how to counter it. And what they go on to do is explain how they're using former PSYOPs officers, psychological operations officers, who were newly coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan, to write local laws, to develop techniques to divide local landowners. That's Matt Pitzarella from Range Resources talking about that. Chesapeake then goes on to talk about people who are fighting the gas industry, like landowners, like you just saw, Jeremiah Gee, as insurgents. And one of the PR spokespeople for Anadarko, another huge petroleum company, says that what they should actually do is download the counterinsurgency manual, which is a 300-odd-page book about, you know, how to deal with an insurgency in Iraq and Afghanistan. These are terms of war, and it was very, very shocking to see that. Link

Treat landowners as insurgents.
 
2014-01-05 09:52:42 PM  

jaerik: if there's even the slightest thing wrong with it.


Poisoning groundwater, causing earthquakes, and releasing methane are not SLIGHT problems.
 
2014-01-05 09:54:22 PM  
i like how the proponents loudly proclaim there's no evidence of any issues. yet, when there is, they pretend it doesn't exist, and keep up with business as usual. facts mean nothing.
 
2014-01-05 09:56:41 PM  
Interesting that this article doesn't actually say that these were the result of fracking. It does say they were the result of drilling operations. Talks a lot about fracking, and the controversy about it. But nowhere does it actually put the two together.
 
2014-01-05 09:59:12 PM  

unlikely: Weird that the states would have let such reports get out.


My very reaction. "What the hell!? We paid millions of dollars, greased dozens of state and local palms, bought an army of lawyers to issue dozens of gag orders, and the info still got out!?"
 
2014-01-05 10:02:19 PM  
complaints are down 25%...... but that isnt  as scary of a headline.
 
2014-01-05 10:05:07 PM  

fusillade762: Steve Forde, a spokesman for the Marcellus Shale Coalition, the leading industry group in Pennsylvania, said in a statement that "transparency and making data available to the public is critical to getting this historic opportunity right and maintaining the public's trust."

Great. Why don't you start by telling us what's in the shiat you're pumping into the ground?


That would make it easier for people to dump it into their well and then sue for 50 million dollars.
 
2014-01-05 10:08:13 PM  
I've got a good friend who lived between Greeley and Fort Morgan. She had to re-drill a well because the first one was drained after fracking started up in the area. She spent $15,000 to dig a deeper one and it was contaminated by flammable pollutants and unusable. Gas company laughed at a bunch of the homeowners over there when they brought it up to them and wanted compensation. Took her nearly a year to sell her place after they finally got city water run out that way.
 
2014-01-05 10:09:14 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Are you people suggesting that oil companies might harm the environment? I've never heard of such a thing!


Never heard of waitresses that write their own 'hate comment' on receipts either....

Money, what doesn't it do?
 
2014-01-05 10:14:52 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: fusillade762: Steve Forde, a spokesman for the Marcellus Shale Coalition, the leading industry group in Pennsylvania, said in a statement that "transparency and making data available to the public is critical to getting this historic opportunity right and maintaining the public's trust."

Great. Why don't you start by telling us what's in the shiat you're pumping into the ground?

That would make it easier for people to dump it into their well and then sue for 50 million dollars.


Yep, that's the reason.

*eye rolls*
 
2014-01-05 10:15:51 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: NewportBarGuy: Are you people suggesting that oil companies might harm the environment? I've never heard of such a thing!

Never heard of waitresses that write their own 'hate comment' on receipts either....

Money, what doesn't it do?



Well, it doesn't show up unannounced on my doorstep. Money, why can't you be more like annoying relatives?
 
2014-01-05 10:27:03 PM  

Zafler: radarlove: Zafler: Turbo Cojones: The sister in question?

Oh, wow, I didn't know anyone had kept copies of that. That poor girls brother (step-brother?) really didn't know what he was doing.

I am unaware of this meme, what's the story?

Some farker posted a picture of his, I think, step-sister dressed as rainbow brite. I vaguely recall another picture of the same girl sitting topless at a keyboard. He regretted it.


Pics or it didn't happen.
 
2014-01-05 10:57:08 PM  
The guy who did the first geological survey of Michigan's UP came from Pennsylvania. He got into geology because he was fascinated in how he could set the stream next to his family's property on fire. That was in the mid 1800's I think.

Pennsylvania has always had methane or something in its water. My mom was from West Virginia and I grew up hearing folklore about it.
 
2014-01-05 10:57:44 PM  

Thunderpipes: Hehehe, how is Obama kool-aid? Texas is growing, it is the place to be, because it is not a retarded moron left wing loony state that kicks business out and makes crap up.


Yeah.  Business is booming in Texas.

i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2014-01-05 11:03:26 PM  

ReverendJynxed: Zafler: radarlove: Zafler: Turbo Cojones: The sister in question?

Oh, wow, I didn't know anyone had kept copies of that. That poor girls brother (step-brother?) really didn't know what he was doing.

I am unaware of this meme, what's the story?

Some farker posted a picture of his, I think, step-sister dressed as rainbow brite. I vaguely recall another picture of the same girl sitting topless at a keyboard. He regretted it.

Pics or it didn't happen.


Just for you, I spent 5 minutes tracking to down: NSFW
 
2014-01-05 11:05:15 PM  
Not sure it was same girl as Rainbow Brite now, been a few years. Meh, they'll probably get vanished soon enough.
 
2014-01-05 11:05:17 PM  

Zafler: ReverendJynxed: Zafler: radarlove: Zafler: Turbo Cojones: The sister in question?

Oh, wow, I didn't know anyone had kept copies of that. That poor girls brother (step-brother?) really didn't know what he was doing.

I am unaware of this meme, what's the story?

Some farker posted a picture of his, I think, step-sister dressed as rainbow brite. I vaguely recall another picture of the same girl sitting topless at a keyboard. He regretted it.

Pics or it didn't happen.

Just for you, I spent 5 minutes tracking to down: NSFW



Wow, that looks like a Microsoft ergonomic keyboard.
 
2014-01-05 11:06:26 PM  
Don't know if fracking is to blame out not but if you have a bad casing ran by an incompetent cement crew the chemicals will get into the groundwater. Here in Oklahoma they say the recent earthquakes are caused by the injection wells and want to actually attempt to recreate a scenario to make a man made quake to see if the wells are causing them
 
2014-01-05 11:12:22 PM  
Wonder what would happen if Oil execs where required to drink water from these well on a regular bases.
 
2014-01-05 11:15:35 PM  
... but... but... fracking is saaaaaaaaaaaafe!
 
2014-01-05 11:26:35 PM  
Here is some of the crap we've had to deal with in Pennsylvania:

Doctors cannot tell their patients what is in fracking chemicals if they obtain that information from fracking companies.

A 7- and 10-year old were barred FOR LIFE from talking about fracking in a settlement with a fracking company.

The state government took away the rights of local governments to restrict fracking activities in any way.
(Fortunately, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court recently overturned this power grab by our "small government" legislators.)

Are these the actions of an industry you would trust?
 
2014-01-05 11:36:04 PM  
As someone with three petroleum engineers in the family*, I definitely agree fracking is a long-term problem if done irresponsibly. It's small companies that cut corners to maximize profit at the expense of the environment that are giving fracking a bad name.

Some countries are holding off on making a decision until more conclusive studies are done. So long as fracking is done correctly in more remote parts, I see nothing wrong with it.

1] PhD from #1 university in the nation, along with work experience in seven countries, 2] Masters working at a Houston-based company, 3] Masters working overseas for a subsidiary pipeline coating company
 
2014-01-05 11:39:52 PM  

stuffy: Wonder what would happen if Oil execs where required to drink water from these well on a regular bases.


www.wgaeast.org
 
2014-01-05 11:43:14 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: Corporations are people so write some three strikes laws for them. 3rd contamination, you get nationalized.


Bingo bango ready to go go

/so much this
 
2014-01-05 11:45:07 PM  
Meh.  It's the sole source of water for thousands of people.  How important could that be?  Just keep dumping shiat into like there's no tomorrow.  The market will sort things out.
 
2014-01-05 11:46:56 PM  

lumiere: As someone with three petroleum engineers in the family*, I definitely agree fracking is a long-term problem if done irresponsibly. It's small companies that cut corners to maximize profit at the expense of the environment that are giving fracking a bad name.

Some countries are holding off on making a decision until more conclusive studies are done. So long as fracking is done correctly in more remote parts, I see nothing wrong with it.

1] PhD from #1 university in the nation, along with work experience in seven countries, 2] Masters working at a Houston-based company, 3] Masters working overseas for a subsidiary pipeline coating company


Ya ya ya small companies are the problem. Please tell me again how it is the little guy with limited money and resources that cause such big problems.
 
2014-01-05 11:58:56 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: lumiere: As someone with three petroleum engineers in the family*, I definitely agree fracking is a long-term problem if done irresponsibly. It's small companies that cut corners to maximize profit at the expense of the environment that are giving fracking a bad name.

Some countries are holding off on making a decision until more conclusive studies are done. So long as fracking is done correctly in more remote parts, I see nothing wrong with it.

1] PhD from #1 university in the nation, along with work experience in seven countries, 2] Masters working at a Houston-based company, 3] Masters working overseas for a subsidiary pipeline coating company

Ya ya ya small companies are the problem. Please tell me again how it is the little guy with limited money and resources that cause such big problems.


Irresponsible small companies trying to get a quick buck. This doesn't preclude big companies from sharing the same detrimental yet highly profitable practices. And it doesn't preclude small companies with some form of ethical responsibility to their communities.

Don't shoot the messenger, I'm simply repeating what I've been told.  I still agree more conclusive studies should be done as it is too soon to tell. And trust me, no one in my family is a fan of the big oil companies. No one works for one and not a single one will defend them.
 
2014-01-06 12:22:32 AM  
Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque:

Your tap water spontaneously combusting is the sort of thing you'd notice before drilling started, I think.

That has been happening for thousands of years, in fact as long as wells have existed. In fact, it was far more common before oil was even discovered than today, for obvious reasons.

The question is whether it is an odd coincidence.

We test wells, before drilling, we test them during, and after, and we hold companies 100% responsible for all damages.

But that would be too easy.

Better we just keep arguing and let the politicians play their hand.
 
2014-01-06 02:16:16 AM  

radarlove: tripleseven: WelldeadLink: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: MarkEC: Is it any wonder after there is drilling nearby that people get their water tested and when the report comes back that they have methane in it they blame the drilling?

Your tap water spontaneously combusting is the sort of thing you'd notice before drilling started, I think.

Have you tried to light your water?

The reason they know it is new is because the water started "sputtering" out of the taps, instead of flowing.  That sputtering was the gas interrupting the water flow.  It didn't start until after fracking, which is why they noticed it.

What do you got next?

That's pretty much exactly how it happened at my sibling's pad.


So methane in the pipes? Nice, not really.
 
2014-01-06 09:39:51 AM  

Ex-Texan: i like how the proponents loudly proclaim there's no evidence of any issues. yet, when there is, they pretend it doesn't exist, and keep up with business as usual. facts mean nothing.


But enough about GMO foods or 9/11 truth or Obama's phony birth certificate. The truth is out there sheeple!!!
 
2014-01-06 05:29:26 PM  

Sell your oil shares, buy water shares!

You heard it here first!

 
2014-01-06 05:34:09 PM  

All Latest: Sell your oil shares, buy water shares!You heard it here first!


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