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(CBS News)   Oil industry officials are shocked, shocked, I say, to learn of confirmed groundwater pollution near fracking sites   (cbsnews.com) divider line 138
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2014-01-05 05:33:38 PM
Weird that the states would have let such reports get out.
 
2014-01-05 05:39:35 PM
I'm sure it's just an isolated incidence

/because... why would anyone lie about a thing like that?
 
2014-01-05 06:02:11 PM
Actually, the number of complaints vs number on confirmation seems to point that Fracking may not be as bad as environmentalist feared.

But the issue is transparency. We can't make sound decisions unless we know all the facts.
 
2014-01-05 06:20:15 PM
Steve Forde, a spokesman for the Marcellus Shale Coalition, the leading industry group in Pennsylvania, said in a statement that "transparency and making data available to the public is critical to getting this historic opportunity right and maintaining the public's trust."

Great. Why don't you start by telling us what's in the shiat you're pumping into the ground?
 
2014-01-05 06:38:14 PM
They're not shocked. They just have too much integrity to out the environmentalists that polluted the water in yet another failed attempt to make the oil industry look greedy.
 
2014-01-05 06:39:08 PM

digistil: They're not shocked. They just have too much integrity to out the environmentalists that polluted the water in yet another failed attempt to make the oil industry look greedy.


Lolwut?
 
2014-01-05 06:39:18 PM
Hippy claptrap.

/just kidding
//sister lives in Weld County, CO
///her faucets shoot fire instead of water sometimes
 
2014-01-05 06:41:10 PM

Fart_Machine: digistil: They're not shocked. They just have too much integrity to out the environmentalists that polluted the water in yet another failed attempt to make the oil industry look greedy.

Lolwut?


He was kidding.

/I assume
//I hope
///I slashie
 
2014-01-05 06:42:02 PM
Some people who rely on well water near drilling operations have complained about pollution, but there's been considerable confusion over how widespread such problems are. For example, starting in 2011, the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection aggressively fought efforts by the AP and other news organizations to obtain information about complaints related to drilling. The department has argued in court filings that it does not count how many contamination "determination letters" it issues or track where they are kept in its files.

Conflict of interest much? Seriously, what do these people DO if they don't actively track pollution in the state?
 
2014-01-05 06:43:45 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Actually, the number of complaints vs number on confirmation seems to point that Fracking may not be as bad as environmentalist feared.

But the issue is transparency. We can't make sound decisions unless we know all the facts.


I was surprised that Texas had the best state reporting. Then I saw: 2000 complaints, 62 investigations, -0- confirmations in the last decade.

Uh huh.

/oil companies have home field advantage there
 
2014-01-05 06:44:46 PM

Vector R: Some people who rely on well water near drilling operations have complained about pollution, but there's been considerable confusion over how widespread such problems are. For example, starting in 2011, the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection aggressively fought efforts by the AP and other news organizations to obtain information about complaints related to drilling. The department has argued in court filings that it does not count how many contamination "determination letters" it issues or track where they are kept in its files.

Conflict of interest much? Seriously, what do these people DO if they don't actively track pollution in the state?


That bribe money isn't going to spend itself.
 
2014-01-05 06:45:50 PM

radarlove: Hippy claptrap.

/just kidding
//sister lives in Weld County, CO
///her faucets shoot fire instead of water sometimes


Hot water problems solved forever!!!
 
2014-01-05 06:46:18 PM

radarlove: Hippy claptrap.

/just kidding
//sister lives in Weld County, CO
///her faucets shoot fire instead of water sometimes


There's medicine for that these days.

/hadn't heard "faucet" as a euphemism before
//tell your sister to call me after she's "back to water"
 
2014-01-05 06:46:50 PM

Prey4reign: radarlove: Hippy claptrap.

/just kidding
//sister lives in Weld County, CO
///her faucets shoot fire instead of water sometimes

Hot water problems solved forever!!!


And nothing kills germs better than FIRE!
 
2014-01-05 06:50:05 PM
Start: Obfuscation program tier 1.
 
2014-01-05 06:50:24 PM
In a Penn State study a few years back, they found less than half of all water wells have ever been tested. Is it any wonder after there is drilling nearby that people get their water tested and when the report comes back that they have methane in it they blame the drilling?
The drilling companies have started testing well water before and after they drill to see if there were any changes and it's paying off for them in better quality control and fewer true complaints.
 
2014-01-05 06:50:32 PM
Are you people suggesting that oil companies might harm the environment? I've never heard of such a thing!
 
2014-01-05 06:51:12 PM
- A Texas spreadsheet contains more than 2,000 complaints, and 62 of those allege possible well-water contamination from oil and gas activity, said Ramona Nye, a spokeswoman for the Railroad Commission of Texas, which oversees drilling. Texas regulators haven't confirmed a single case of drilling-related water-well contamination in the past 10 years, she said.
 
2014-01-05 06:51:41 PM

brimed03: Darth_Lukecash: Actually, the number of complaints vs number on confirmation seems to point that Fracking may not be as bad as environmentalist feared.

But the issue is transparency. We can't make sound decisions unless we know all the facts.

I was surprised that Texas had the best state reporting. Then I saw: 2000 complaints, 62 investigations, -0- confirmations in the last decade.

Uh huh.

/oil companies have home field advantage there




Good point: this is why we need transparency. 20000 complaints, only 62 investigations?

Unless, those many complaints were part of a single investigation. Even still, suspicious.

I want to see methodology and investigative practice revealed.
 
2014-01-05 06:51:46 PM

radarlove: Hippy claptrap.

/just kidding
//sister lives in Weld County, CO
///her faucets shoot fire instead of water sometimes


Didn't they want to form their own state (along with a few other counties) up there?
 
2014-01-05 06:53:53 PM
So Texas is the most transparent, and has no drilling related issues. The other states have allegations, but can't even tell why since the issues seem to be pretty ambiguous.

News at 11:00.
 
2014-01-05 06:54:36 PM

MarkEC: Is it any wonder after there is drilling nearby that people get their water tested and when the report comes back that they have methane in it they blame the drilling?


Your tap water spontaneously combusting is the sort of thing you'd notice before drilling started, I think.
 
2014-01-05 06:55:39 PM
Pennsylvania West Virginia, and Ohio are proud to report that absolutely no pollution due to their fracking activities has impacted the Gulf of Mexico.
 
2014-01-05 06:56:54 PM

Your Hind Brain: radarlove: Hippy claptrap.

/just kidding
//sister lives in Weld County, CO
///her faucets shoot fire instead of water sometimes

Didn't they want to form their own state (along with a few other counties) up there?


Ugh, some of them, yes.  If it wouldn't ruin my nephew's education I'd say let them have their own Tea-ocracy with all of the bullets and flaming tapwater they can handle.
 
2014-01-05 07:00:57 PM
Dan Rather reporting?
 
2014-01-05 07:01:21 PM
I dunno...if you hold us accountable for poisoning the groundwater, we might have to fire a bunch of people...You wouldn't want that, would you?
 
2014-01-05 07:07:10 PM

NewportBarGuy: Are you people suggesting that oil companies might harm the environment? I've never heard of such a thing!



My money is on a false flag operation.
 
2014-01-05 07:07:13 PM
It pains me to badmouth the industry that pays me enough to enjoy the lifestyle I lead. But oil men are just as crooked as wall street bankers. They should have way more government oversight than they do. All that matters to these assholes is money. Regardless of who it makes sick, how much land it ruins, or who it gets killed.

like wall street the oil industry should have a profit cap.

it would go a long way to eleminate the profits above all attitude, or atleast practice that seems to permeate big business.

if it hurts my bottom line so what? I can adapt and overcome. These assholes should be put in that same position.

irresponsibility should cost them dearly.
 
2014-01-05 07:08:37 PM

brimed03: I was surprised that Texas had the best state reporting. Then I saw: 2000 complaints, 62 investigations, -0- confirmations in the last decade.

Uh huh.


The best example in Texas was where, stop me if you've heard this before, the landowner had fire coming out of his faucet!  yep.  Iron clad proof them oil companies done polluted his well water.  The folks in charge came out within three days and investigated everything.  Decided that the gas coming out couldn't have come from the fracking of the well.  Land owner pissed.

And then... this is the knee slapper twist for ya... it turns out that the video of the gas coming out of the land owners well was taken two years before any oil and gas operations in the area.  The date of the tape turned up after the investigation was over.  It seems the neighbors knew about all this and shut up during the investigation process.  Suffice to say the land owner did too, as he's the one that told the neighbors about this fire in the water thing.

In many areas, the gas coming from the gas shale would have a distinctive chemical signature, and the gas near Ft. Worth from the Barnett in no way resembles the stuff coming from the shallower reservoir that naturally contaminated the yet shallower water supplies.

I realize this explanation isn't going to allay any conspiracy theories you have about energy companies, but I don't really care.
 
2014-01-05 07:10:00 PM
Of course no one can prove that fracking contaminates ground water.  Technically, no one can prove that the sun came up in the morning.  There hasn't been a sunrise in Texas... ever.  Now, let's get back to talking about how a pipeline could prevent these needless train derailments.
 
2014-01-05 07:13:14 PM
It's not polluted.  It's fortified.
 
2014-01-05 07:13:54 PM

Thunderpipes: So Texas is the most transparent, and has no drilling related issues. The other states have allegations, but can't even tell why since the issues seem to be pretty ambiguous.

News at 11:00.


Yeah, just like they have no idea why all of a sudden there are earthquakes left and right in Texas now and getting stronger. Keep pretending the state that brags about few regulations and being pro-business is sweeping all of this under the rug. Azle, Texas has had 28 earthquakes since November 1st and the state just ignores it and pretends to not know anything
 
2014-01-05 07:15:07 PM
my milkshake brings all the oil to your yard
 
2014-01-05 07:15:19 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Azle, Texas has had 28 earthquakes since November 1st and the state just ignores it and pretends to not know anything


Pfffft. Amateurs. California's had 28 earthquakes since breakfast.
 
2014-01-05 07:16:00 PM
but, but, but...just think of the money...
 
2014-01-05 07:16:22 PM
Much like how ammonia kills germs...adding some petroleum by products to the water dippy is actually healthier for you according to some studies. Otherwise you are a hypocrite if you clean your kitchen with windex and complain about this.
 
2014-01-05 07:18:36 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Thunderpipes: So Texas is the most transparent, and has no drilling related issues. The other states have allegations, but can't even tell why since the issues seem to be pretty ambiguous.

News at 11:00.

Yeah, just like they have no idea why all of a sudden there are earthquakes left and right in Texas now and getting stronger. Keep pretending the state that brags about few regulations and being pro-business is sweeping all of this under the rug. Azle, Texas has had 28 earthquakes since November 1st and the state just ignores it and pretends to not know anything


Hehehe, how is Obama kool-aid? Texas is growing, it is the place to be, because it is not a retarded moron left wing loony state that kicks business out and makes crap up.
 
2014-01-05 07:19:09 PM

Danger Avoid Death: Peter von Nostrand: Azle, Texas has had 28 earthquakes since November 1st and the state just ignores it and pretends to not know anything

Pfffft. Amateurs. California's had 28 earthquakes since breakfast.



There are earthquakes in the craton. Just coincidentally near fracking sites.

Jiggity.
 
2014-01-05 07:19:32 PM
www.duramaxforum.com
 
2014-01-05 07:24:29 PM

Thunderpipes: Peter von Nostrand: Thunderpipes: So Texas is the most transparent, and has no drilling related issues. The other states have allegations, but can't even tell why since the issues seem to be pretty ambiguous.

News at 11:00.

Yeah, just like they have no idea why all of a sudden there are earthquakes left and right in Texas now and getting stronger. Keep pretending the state that brags about few regulations and being pro-business is sweeping all of this under the rug. Azle, Texas has had 28 earthquakes since November 1st and the state just ignores it and pretends to not know anything

Hehehe, how is Obama kool-aid? Texas is growing, it is the place to be, because it is not a retarded moron left wing loony state that kicks business out and makes crap up.


Oh, ok. Clearly I'm talking to a moron. Go about your business
 
2014-01-05 07:25:57 PM

Danger Avoid Death: Peter von Nostrand: Azle, Texas has had 28 earthquakes since November 1st and the state just ignores it and pretends to not know anything

Pfffft. Amateurs. California's had 28 earthquakes since breakfast.


Well apparently to the moron upthread it has to do with Obama. Or something
 
2014-01-05 07:29:51 PM

snowshovel: Much like how ammonia kills germs...adding some petroleum by products to the water dippy is actually healthier for you according to some studies. Otherwise you are a hypocrite if you clean your kitchen with windex and complain about this.


Whenever I feel a cold coming on I just drink a bunch of Windex. Clears it right up!
 
2014-01-05 07:31:11 PM
The actual data isn't nearly as alarmist as the headline would imply. The fast majority of the complaints were about reduced water availability, not contamination.

I'd wager the vast majority of the reports of contamination are as legitimate as people who "get sick" from wind turbines a few miles away.
 
2014-01-05 07:31:12 PM
Funny how the right-wing "If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide" 'tards will defend the oil companies' pumping undisclosed shiat into the groundwater.

Oh, wait, I forgot, although the NSA is just doing the same shiat it's been doing for years (and even longer, if you account for changes in technology), now that Obama's President, it's the WORST THING EVAR
 
2014-01-05 07:33:11 PM

LordJiro: Funny how the right-wing "If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide" 'tards will defend the oil companies' pumping undisclosed shiat into the groundwater.

Oh, wait, I forgot, although the NSA is just doing the same shiat it's been doing for years (and even longer, if you account for changes in technology), now that Obama's President, it's the WORST THING EVAR


My point, which I admit got away from me a bit, being that the right wing seems to think corporations have more of a right to privacy than citizens, unless they feel like biatching about a Democrat.
 
2014-01-05 07:33:39 PM

radarlove: Hippy claptrap.

/just kidding
//sister lives in Weld County, CO
///her faucets shoot fire instead of water sometimes


Nice bullshiat you got there. Back it up.
 
2014-01-05 07:33:53 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: MarkEC: Is it any wonder after there is drilling nearby that people get their water tested and when the report comes back that they have methane in it they blame the drilling?

Your tap water spontaneously combusting is the sort of thing you'd notice before drilling started, I think.


If anything the oil companies should sue these people that are stealing gas.
 
2014-01-05 07:34:37 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Thunderpipes: Peter von Nostrand: Thunderpipes: So Texas is the most transparent, and has no drilling related issues. The other states have allegations, but can't even tell why since the issues seem to be pretty ambiguous.

News at 11:00.

Yeah, just like they have no idea why all of a sudden there are earthquakes left and right in Texas now and getting stronger. Keep pretending the state that brags about few regulations and being pro-business is sweeping all of this under the rug. Azle, Texas has had 28 earthquakes since November 1st and the state just ignores it and pretends to not know anything

Hehehe, how is Obama kool-aid? Texas is growing, it is the place to be, because it is not a retarded moron left wing loony state that kicks business out and makes crap up.

Oh, ok. Clearly I'm talking to a moron. Go about your business


"I'll bet that not only can I poison an entire state filled with these mouth breathers, but I can get them to defend my business while I do it."
- Mortimer T. Chevron
 
2014-01-05 07:35:48 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Thunderpipes: Peter von Nostrand: Thunderpipes: So Texas is the most transparent, and has no drilling related issues. The other states have allegations, but can't even tell why since the issues seem to be pretty ambiguous.

News at 11:00.

Yeah, just like they have no idea why all of a sudden there are earthquakes left and right in Texas now and getting stronger. Keep pretending the state that brags about few regulations and being pro-business is sweeping all of this under the rug. Azle, Texas has had 28 earthquakes since November 1st and the state just ignores it and pretends to not know anything

Hehehe, how is Obama kool-aid? Texas is growing, it is the place to be, because it is not a retarded moron left wing loony state that kicks business out and makes crap up.

Oh, ok. Clearly I'm talking to a moron. Go about your business


You just can't handle being told off by a fat, hairy woman, can you?
 
2014-01-05 07:38:39 PM
DRILL BABY DRILL!!

/durp
 
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