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(Talking Points Memo)   "I have nothing against rich people. But the rich are getting richer. The poor are getting poorer. The middle class is being squeezed out of existence"   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 344
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2014-01-05 04:05:52 PM  
what does that mean?
have the number of middle class really dropped that much?
and have they all fallen into the poor/poverty class?
 
2014-01-05 04:10:18 PM  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:United_States_Income_Distribution_1 9 67-2003.svg

YES, the top groups have grown,
but the middle isnt gone, it has just stayed flat /// which isnt the same disappeared.
 
2014-01-05 04:13:02 PM  

namatad: what does that mean?
have the number of middle class really dropped that much?
and have they all fallen into the poor/poverty class?


Yeah. It's not just spin.
 
2014-01-05 04:13:47 PM  

namatad: what does that mean?
have the number of middle class really dropped that much?
and have they all fallen into the poor/poverty class?


Just looking at the basic facts over the past 30 years show not only a massive widening between the upper 10% and the lower 90% but also an increasing number of people dropping out of the "middle class" bracket due to loss of manufacturing jobs, increased debt, bankruptcy, and then throw on the 2008 crash that most haven't recovered from. Yes, a lot of people have dropped out of a middle class life.
 
2014-01-05 04:16:15 PM  
 
2014-01-05 04:31:40 PM  
Unemployment takes away the bootstraps poor people so desperately need to pull themselves back up.
 
2014-01-05 04:32:31 PM  
dailyreckoning.com
 
2014-01-05 04:51:38 PM  

namatad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:United_States_Income_Distribution_1 9 67-2003.svg

YES, the top groups have grown,
but the middle isnt gone, it has just stayed flat /// which isnt the same disappeared.


Income has stayed relatively flat, but expenses have gone up.  Gas, groceries, insurance, etc, all cost more than they used to.  Plus, that graph shows income, not wealth inequality.  If you look at wealth inequality, the disparity is even greater.  The rich are able to save, invest, and grow their money, while the middle class, facing stagnant wage growth and increased expenses, are able to save and invest less, leading to even more inequality.

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2014-01-05 05:50:12 PM  
I like rich people! Some of my best friends have trust funds! I'm just saying that SOME folks should stay on their own side of the fast food counter.
 
2014-01-05 05:52:02 PM  
Only middle class Americans can afford to pay for abortions, so eliminating the middle class is just part of the plan.
 
2014-01-05 05:56:39 PM  
This is kind of a big deal.

Some day, Americans will realize they have the power to do something about it.

Do you also find it amazing that, if given the choice between giving the rich guy $5 or giving themselves $5, a lot of people would rather give the $5 to the rich guy?
 
2014-01-05 05:59:17 PM  
For approaching four decades now the working classes have vastly improved their productivity yet reaped none of the rewards. The working poor are still poor and health care and creature comforts are even further out of reach. Middle class workers, despite being told to get educated and work hard to succeed, are in more precarious financial situations than their parents or grandparents. All the while, the affluent, by winning genetic lotteries, are ten times more likely to stay rich than children growing up poor to become rich.
 
2014-01-05 05:59:29 PM  
If the rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting poorer, wouldn't the middle class be stretched out of existence? The two ends are getting farther apart rather than squeezing together.
 
2014-01-05 06:00:08 PM  
So vote Democrat?
 
2014-01-05 06:00:46 PM  
It would be far easier if you just lied back and let it happen. Things will be better for you, just let us do what we need to do. There's nothing to worry about.
 
2014-01-05 06:03:51 PM  

Snarfangel: If the rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting poorer, wouldn't the middle class be stretched out of existence? The two ends are getting farther apart rather than squeezing together.


If the income and wealth trends started diverging somewhere around the 50th percentile, sure.  What's happening though is that the top 20%, and the top 1% especially, are skyrocketing while everyone else is stagnating or falling.  So it really is a matter of the boot of the rich squishing everyone else down.
 
2014-01-05 06:03:52 PM  
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I want to play, too.
 
2014-01-05 06:04:03 PM  
Too funny....

Harry Reid had billions extra top spend on stimulus.    He has had several debt limits removed.    And for the last three years his GOP partner in the house Boehner has handed him 3 trillion dollars extra to spend (above and beyond what the US takes in).


And yet he still can't find enough money to spend in his budget.

So 800 billion extra in 2009 to spend,  and 1 trillion extra to spend each of the last 3 years.

But Harry needs to spend more money.... too funny

Tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend.

/debt in 2011 = 14t
//debt at end of 2013 = 17.5t
 
2014-01-05 06:04:06 PM  

namatad: what does that mean?
have the number of middle class really dropped that much?
and have they all fallen into the poor/poverty class?


http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/flowchart/2010/10/15/how-the-mid dl e-class-is-shrinking

Yes, but keep "just asking questions"
 
2014-01-05 06:05:13 PM  

AngryDragon: So vote Democrat?


As opposed to the lunatics in the Republican Party these days?

Hell yes. They aren't the ones screaming we need to take money from the poorest and give it to the richest.
 
2014-01-05 06:06:30 PM  

netcentric: Too funny....

Harry Reid had billions extra top spend on stimulus.    He has had several debt limits removed.    And for the last three years his GOP partner in the house Boehner has handed him 3 trillion dollars extra to spend (above and beyond what the US takes in).


And yet he still can't find enough money to spend in his budget.

So 800 billion extra in 2009 to spend,  and 1 trillion extra to spend each of the last 3 years.

But Harry needs to spend more money.... too funny

Tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend.

/debt in 2011 = 14t
//debt at end of 2013 = 17.5t


Why is it Republicans have to be factually wrong (actually, just liars) for their points to make sense?
 
2014-01-05 06:06:56 PM  
I hate to say it, but let the GOP have their way.  This shiat will correct itself quickly and drastically once people start starving in the streets from their policy decisions.
 
2014-01-05 06:07:04 PM  

netcentric: So 800 billion extra in 2009 to spend, and 1 trillion extra to spend each of the last 3 years.


the federal deficit was nowhere close to 1T last year.
 
2014-01-05 06:08:04 PM  

netcentric: Too funny....

Harry Reid had billions extra top spend on stimulus.    He has had several debt limits removed.    And for the last three years his GOP partner in the house Boehner has handed him 3 trillion dollars extra to spend (above and beyond what the US takes in).


And yet he still can't find enough money to spend in his budget.

So 800 billion extra in 2009 to spend,  and 1 trillion extra to spend each of the last 3 years.

But Harry needs to spend more money.... too funny

Tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend.

/debt in 2011 = 14t
//debt at end of 2013 = 17.5t


I thought you didn't care about debt?

Are you bipolar? Do you share your account with a spouse? I am genuinely curious what your deal is.
 
2014-01-05 06:16:52 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I like rich people! Some of my best friends have trust funds!


I like rich folks and I cannot lie
You other Farkers can't deny
That when a guy walks in with a huge amount
And a ton stuffed in a bank account
You get sprung, wanna pull out your tough
'Cause you notice that wallet was stuffed

/Don't blame me, the original lyrics were difficult to work with.
 
2014-01-05 06:17:03 PM  
static.seekingalpha.com

Obviously a few years old but the point about the economic value of unemployment benefits stands.
 
2014-01-05 06:17:33 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: netcentric: Too funny....

Harry Reid had billions extra top spend on stimulus.    He has had several debt limits removed.    And for the last three years his GOP partner in the house Boehner has handed him 3 trillion dollars extra to spend (above and beyond what the US takes in).


And yet he still can't find enough money to spend in his budget.

So 800 billion extra in 2009 to spend,  and 1 trillion extra to spend each of the last 3 years.

But Harry needs to spend more money.... too funny

Tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend.

/debt in 2011 = 14t
//debt at end of 2013 = 17.5t

I thought you didn't care about debt?

Are you bipolar? Do you share your account with a spouse? I am genuinely curious what your deal is.


A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-05 06:18:59 PM  

IrateShadow: I hate to say it, but let the GOP have their way.  This shiat will correct itself quickly and drastically once people start starving in the streets from their policy decisions.


The thing is they don't have to "have their way," they just need to get in the way of anything that changes the status quo.  The last administrations (Regan to Obama) have been the five most corporatist administrations in history, with Bush II re-creating the US as a corporate wonderland.  They just have to sit and obstruct every reform to make the economy work for everyone.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-05 06:20:33 PM  

fusillade762: [static.seekingalpha.com image 635x389]

Obviously a few years old but the point about the economic value of unemployment benefits stands.


The constant drumbeat that people getting earned unemployment benefits are moochers when all law and policy is geared to keeping them out of work is really hard to take once the facts are out there.
 
2014-01-05 06:21:23 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.


He's been whining about the debt in these threads for years. I call him out and he says he doesn't care about the debt. Now he's back to whining about the debt. Not contributing, not conversing, just dropping his debbie debt downer turds and moving on. I am sincerely curious what the f*ck is going on in his head. I suspect, though, that he's too cowardly to approach the subject. How about it netcentric? Let's have a good faith talk.
 
2014-01-05 06:26:17 PM  

Snarfangel: If the rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting poorer, wouldn't the middle class be stretched out of existence? The two ends are getting farther apart rather than squeezing together.


Not if the total volume of the overall container stays the same size while the volumes of the containers within at either end increase.
 
2014-01-05 06:26:25 PM  
But I was told that was unpossible.  If the rich get richer they always trickle down their wealth to everyone else.  How can this be?

It must be all that government regulation forcing the rich to not spend anything.
 
2014-01-05 06:28:24 PM  

ghare: AngryDragon: So vote Democrat?

As opposed to the lunatics in the Republican Party these days?

Hell yes. They aren't the ones screaming we need to take money from the poorest and give it to the richest.


They aren't doing the opposite either.  If Harry Reid had eliminated the filibuster last January all sorts of good could have been done.  How exactly did preserving it help the poor?
 
2014-01-05 06:33:21 PM  

netcentric: Too funny....

Harry Reid had billions extra top spend on stimulus.    He has had several debt limits removed.    And for the last three years his GOP partner in the house Boehner has handed him 3 trillion dollars extra to spend (above and beyond what the US takes in).


And yet he still can't find enough money to spend in his budget.

So 800 billion extra in 2009 to spend,  and 1 trillion extra to spend each of the last 3 years.

But Harry needs to spend more money.... too funny

Tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend.

/debt in 2011 = 14t
//debt at end of 2013 = 17.5t


Raise taxes on people who can pay,
 
2014-01-05 06:36:36 PM  
Just expand the definition of middle class to include a wider income variance. Didnt Mitt Romney claim it was now earning $200k?
 
2014-01-05 06:46:22 PM  
The cure is capitalism.
 
2014-01-05 06:55:27 PM  
Maybe the poor would be better off if they got a job.

Do you really expect to be anything but poor if all you do is except the dumbocrat vote-breeding project agreement and sit on your ass all day being lazy and stupid for $670/month plus a half-carton of smokes on election day?
 
2014-01-05 06:56:16 PM  
It's weird that the average conservative voter will admit (if pressed) that they're not doing that great but they'll never admit that it's the fault of the rich taking way more than their fair share. Somehow the economy of the last thirty years is Obama's fault or the fault of poor people.
 
2014-01-05 06:56:39 PM  

LargeCanine: The cure is capitalism.



IF YOU SAY SO, BUT I STILL THINK IT LOOKS LIKE I AM SHOUTING.
 
2014-01-05 06:56:41 PM  

SevenizGud: Maybe the poor would be better off if they got a job.

Do you really expect to be anything but poor if all you do is except the dumbocrat vote-breeding project agreement and sit on your ass all day being lazy and stupid for $670/month plus a half-carton of smokes on election day?


Smart take.
 
2014-01-05 06:59:27 PM  

SevenizGud: Maybe the poor would be better off if they got a job.

Do you really expect to be anything but poor if all you do is except the dumbocrat vote-breeding project agreement and sit on your ass all day being lazy and stupid for $670/month plus a half-carton of smokes on election day?


Because there obviously enough job openings out there for everyone to have one.
 
2014-01-05 07:02:11 PM  

ghare: They aren't the ones screaming we need to take money from the poorest pay lazy and stupid people less for being lazy and stupid and give it to the richest let the people who actually earned it keep it.


FTFY
 
2014-01-05 07:03:51 PM  
I've been noticing lately, not just hear but on Facebook and in other discussion forums, that the right wing doesn't even bother trying to marshal arguments anymore. They just go straight into ad hominem attacks and name calling.

"The ACA will enable people who were previously denied health insurance to obtain affordable care."
"You're a parasite!"

"The middle class is being stretched out of existence and the gap between the wealthy and the poor is increasing."
"Socialism! You're a Marxist!"

"We need to extend unemployment benefits to prevent people from falling into permanent poverty."
"You're a lazy taker! You don't want to work!"

When your tactics boil down to interfering with the economy and day-to-day governance to make sure your political opponents don't get credit for any improvement, it's hard to make a coherent argument to justify your intransigence. Far simpler to simply hurl accusations you know will resonate with your electoral base, which has a proven track record now of accepting worsening conditions rather than reaching an accommodation with its opponents, and let the chips fall where they may.
 
2014-01-05 07:04:45 PM  
Man it's so WEIRD that the poor don't vote for the party that demonizes them every chance they get!
 
2014-01-05 07:05:43 PM  
To anyone arguing that the poor need to get a job or better jobs; show how easy that is by going out and getting a job that pays 200% of what you get paid now.
 
2014-01-05 07:06:49 PM  

SoupGuru: Some day, Americans will realize they have the power to do something about it.


I honestly think it will take a French Revolution-type scenario for that to happen, and it took about eighty years for the right series of disasters and stupid mistake on the part of the French king to line up to the point that the peasants and a good chunk of the nobility went into open revolt.
 
2014-01-05 07:07:26 PM  

clambam: I've been noticing lately, not just hear but on Facebook and in other discussion forums, that the right wing doesn't even bother trying to marshal arguments anymore. They just go straight into ad hominem attacks and name calling.

"The ACA will enable people who were previously denied health insurance to obtain affordable care."
"You're a parasite!"



This. I'm self employed and make enough money to buy my own healthcare. (I saved about $5 a month through the exchange here in Texas.) When I mention online that I like the new law, I'm always accused of being a "taker" because the assumption is that only "takers" would benefit from the law. I have been called a "parasite" more than once.
 
2014-01-05 07:08:07 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: For approaching four decades now the working classes have vastly improved their productivity yet reaped none of the rewards. The working poor are still poor and health care and creature comforts are even further out of reach. Middle class workers, despite being told to get educated and work hard to succeed, are in more precarious financial situations than their parents or grandparents. All the while, the affluent, by winning genetic lotteries, are ten times more likely to stay rich than children growing up poor to become rich.


Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose - apart from a 50-ish year gap, this is almost all of human history.
 
2014-01-05 07:10:30 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Man it's so WEIRD that the poor don't vote for the party that demonizes them every chance they get!



I'd rather Martinize them. It only takes an hour.
 
2014-01-05 07:10:44 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Only middle class Americans can afford to pay for abortions, so eliminating the middle class is just part of the plan.


I like you.
 
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