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(io9)   So it turns out that organic food may be the cause of the recent rise in autism   (io9.com) divider line 30
    More: Obvious, organic products, autism, cognitive biases, Cory Doctorow, logical fallacy  
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2014-01-05 05:30:01 PM  
5 votes:

untaken_name: I dunno, if vaccines are so great, how come the manufacturers are completely indemnified against any lawsuits, including for wrongful death?

I dunno much about the american system for liability, but I do know statistics. For quite a few vaccines there is a risk of something going wrong, it's just that NOT taking a vaccine also includes a risk of something going wrong. For society (and by all probability the one taking the vaccine) it is better if people vaccinate against dangerous contagious diseases like measles and polio (yes, measles kill people) but for a few select individuals the world is worse off. I'm guessing the U.S rules are set up as they are to not scare the makers of vaccines from making vaccines. We as a society are utterly dependent on them after all

Also, why is it heresy to request double-blind studies on vaccines?
It isn't?
"Haemophilus influenzae Type b Capsular Polysaccharide Vaccine in Children: A Double-Blind Field Study of 100,000 Vaccinees 3 Months to 5 Years of Age in Finland" by H Peltola et. al. from Pediatrics Vol. 60 No. 5  (1977)
&
"Safety and immunogenicity of 2009 pandemic influenza A H1N1 vaccines in China: a multicentre, double-blind, randomised, placebo-controlled trial" by X-F Liang et. al from The Lancet Volume 375 Issue 9708 (2010)
 &
"Efficacy assessment of a cell-mediated immunity HIV-1 vaccine (the Step Study): a double-blind, randomised, placebo-controlled, test-of-concept trial" by S P Buchbinder et. al. from The Lancet Volume 372 Issue 9653 (2008)
&
"Efficacy of 23-valent pneumococcal vaccine in preventing pneumonia and improving survival in nursing home residents: double blind, randomised and placebo controlled trial" by T Maruyama et. al. from the British Medical Journal Volume 340 (2010)
 &
"Efficacy of human rotavirus vaccine against severe gastroenteritis in Malawian children in the first two years of life: A randomized, double-blind, placebo controlled trial" by N A Cunliffe et. al from Vaccine Volume 30 Supplement 1 (2012)

That was to name a small sample of the massive amount of double blind studies done on vaccines. Almost all of them include a study about possible ill effects to the subjects, both mental and physical. So no, it isn't heresy to request a double-blind study. But in science it IS heresy to not check first to see if one has been done already.
2014-01-05 04:31:30 PM  
5 votes:
blog.lib.umn.edu
2014-01-05 04:38:38 PM  
4 votes:
I heard sticking your dick in Jenny McCarthy makes you lose any ability to be funny.
2014-01-05 04:36:55 PM  
3 votes:
oblig:

31.media.tumblr.com
2014-01-05 04:20:39 PM  
3 votes:
"Hey, guys! Check out this thing we found on Reddit!"
2014-01-05 05:54:02 PM  
2 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: wickedragon: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The numbers don't lie

But people love to lie with numbers.

Truer words...


People can only lie with numbers if the people they are talking to don't understand math, statistics and logic. Unfortunately, that is most people.
2014-01-05 05:30:36 PM  
2 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The numbers don't lie


But people love to lie with numbers.
2014-01-05 09:37:35 PM  
1 votes:

jaytkay: ZOMG please spread this to the mommy blogs.

/ So they get off the antivax bandwagon


I avoid mommy blogs. It's the only thing that keeps me from losing my mind as a parent.
2014-01-05 07:02:36 PM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: Are you feeling alright? That's the shortest post I've ever seen from you.  By a factor of about 100.


LAUGHTER OL this is because I was recently provided the vaccination which has caused to me the autism and the shortness of replies.
2014-01-05 06:52:55 PM  
1 votes:

JoieD'Zen: camarugala: Theuntaken_name: I dunno, if vaccines are so great, how come the manufacturers are completely indemnified against any lawsuits, including for wrongful death? And why did they have to push that as a rider on an unrelated bill? Also, why is it heresy to request double-blind studies on vaccines? What are the people who know these vaccines best, the makers, scared of?

Because even if 100 out of 100,000 people die from a vaccine can stop a plague with a near 100% mortality rate. That is acceptable. At some point I guess it comes down to some spooky W.H.O. M@M panel filled with statisticians and other non ethics minded people who make the hard but rational decisions about saving us from the "Every Life is Precious" crowd.

So it's OK if your kids or other loved ones die from it; taking one for the team. What a good sport you are!


Pretty much, yeah. It's a hard pill to swallow (not really a pun as most vaccines are injected) but reality is a biatch like that. I could never say that I would not be hurt, sad, furious about it. I would ultimately understand the reasoning though. You wouldn't? That's selfishness in it's purist form.
2014-01-05 06:25:29 PM  
1 votes:
So according to this everyone was autistic prior to the early 1900's.
2014-01-05 06:20:55 PM  
1 votes:
The

untaken_name: I dunno, if vaccines are so great, how come the manufacturers are completely indemnified against any lawsuits, including for wrongful death? And why did they have to push that as a rider on an unrelated bill? Also, why is it heresy to request double-blind studies on vaccines? What are the people who know these vaccines best, the makers, scared of?


Because even if 100 out of 100,000 people die from a vaccine can stop a plague with a near 100% mortality rate. That is acceptable. At some point I guess it comes down to some spooky W.H.O. M@M panel filled with statisticians and other non ethics minded people who make the hard but rational decisions about saving us from the "Every Life is Precious" crowd.
2014-01-05 06:08:40 PM  
1 votes:

tuxq: Why do people keep making excuses for children that have obviously been raised inappropriately?

90's: ADD
00's: ADHD
10's: Autism
20's: DERRRRRRP!


Because the kids are now fashion accessories. Part of the "Perfect Life" package, sold through The Consumption Complex.

/Ask me what I really think and I'll say "Sparta".
2014-01-05 05:56:57 PM  
1 votes:
Why do people keep making excuses for children that have obviously been raised inappropriately?

90's: ADD
00's: ADHD
10's: Autism
20's: DERRRRRRP!
2014-01-05 05:41:15 PM  
1 votes:

untaken_name: I dunno, if vaccines are so great, how come the manufacturers are completely indemnified against any lawsuits, including for wrongful death? And why did they have to push that as a rider on an unrelated bill? Also, why is it heresy to request double-blind studies on vaccines? What are the people who know these vaccines best, the makers, scared of?


Lawsuits from people who will get their kids vaccinated, then sue because the kid died in a car accident a month later, "but it had to have been the vaccine!!"

Also, double blind studies are generally considered unethical in cases where giving a placebo could result in death for the control group. As with vaccine trials.
2014-01-05 05:26:35 PM  
1 votes:
This will be cited  as real science by FOX News and right-wing durpers in.. 3... 2...
2014-01-05 05:15:42 PM  
1 votes:
Because paranoia and over-diagnoses?
2014-01-05 05:15:12 PM  
1 votes:

untaken_name: Also, why is it heresy to request double-blind studies on vaccines?


Name a few vaccines that haven't been.
2014-01-05 05:14:49 PM  
1 votes:

ParallelUniverseParking:


Don't leave us hanging... what was your better headline?
2014-01-05 05:12:43 PM  
1 votes:

leevis: Yes, I'm sure eating foods that weren't given a cocktail of fertilizers and pesticides is messing up peoples body chemistry.


Organic foods use pesticides and fertilizer.
2014-01-05 05:11:30 PM  
1 votes:
Yes, I'm sure eating foods that weren't given a cocktail of fertilizers and pesticides is messing up peoples body chemistry.
2014-01-05 05:08:11 PM  
1 votes:

wickedragon: Uhm. Maybe I'm reading the numbers all wrong and stuff but WHICH increase in Autism?
I've been reading really hard on this now, which for me is going through two peer reviewed articles on it and they didn't conclude that there was an increase in Autism at all. Whats up with that?
Is Jenny McCarty ... wrong?!?


I thought I should add: "Is there an increase in the prevalence of autism spectrum disorders?" by M Prior,  Journal of Paediatrics and Child Health Volume 39 Issue 2
&
"Unpacking the complex nature of the autism epidemic" by a bunch of folks, Research in Autism Spectrum Disorders Volume 4, Issue 4.

And also, I liked the article linked to by Sub.
2014-01-05 05:02:40 PM  
1 votes:

desertfool: Shostie: "Hey, guys! Check out this thing we found on Reddit!"

Seriously.... I'm seeing more and more stuff that started on Reddit in the "News". It least it saves me from ever having to visit that site, but it's getting disturbing.


I very rarely visit Reddit, so, I couldn't care less if something was on that site first.
2014-01-05 05:02:19 PM  
1 votes:
Well, people who eat organic food are usually insufferable assholes, so this seems legit to me...
2014-01-05 05:01:06 PM  
1 votes:
I dunno, if vaccines are so great, how come the manufacturers are completely indemnified against any lawsuits, including for wrongful death? And why did they have to push that as a rider on an unrelated bill? Also, why is it heresy to request double-blind studies on vaccines? What are the people who know these vaccines best, the makers, scared of?
2014-01-05 05:00:05 PM  
1 votes:

desertfool: Shostie: "Hey, guys! Check out this thing we found on Reddit!"

Seriously.... I'm seeing more and more stuff that started on Reddit in the "News". It least it saves me from ever having to visit that site, but it's getting disturbing.


To be fair, it's io9 (a Gawker Media site); ALL Gawker Media sites seem to be "Hey, guys! Check out this thing we found somewhere else!"

It's like vomiting to let people know how awesome that steak was, and then pointing to where on the menu you ordered it.
2014-01-05 04:59:56 PM  
1 votes:
Uhm. Maybe I'm reading the numbers all wrong and stuff but WHICH increase in Autism?
I've been reading really hard on this now, which for me is going through two peer reviewed articles on it and they didn't conclude that there was an increase in Autism at all. Whats up with that?
Is Jenny McCarty ... wrong?!?
2014-01-05 04:59:15 PM  
1 votes:
Or there is no recent upswing in autism and it is just more diagnosed now?

Oh wait, that would make too much sense
2014-01-05 04:44:30 PM  
1 votes:
It would be interesting to throw this up on a health conspiracy forum and watch how quickly those pseudoscience nutcases go all hard science and bleat how correlation doesn't equal causation...

www.oxonianreview.org
2014-01-05 04:38:02 PM  
1 votes:
That's like blaming owls for how much I suck at analogies.
 
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