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2014-01-05 03:05:01 PM
"I'm not against having unemployment insurance," the Kentucky Republican said on ABC's "This Week." "I do think, though, that the longer you have it, that it does provide some disincentive to work and that there are many studies that indicate this."

I'm sure in the past that was true, but the "recovery" of the economy this time around is so anemic that there just aren't any jobs for these people to "get."  I doubt unemployment insurance is the correct long-term solution, but you could easily make the argument that other parts of the social safety net need to be upped, including food stamps and rent subsidies.

The numbers just aren't there to blame the unemployed this time around.  Furthermore, the longer the are unemployed, the more unlikely it is that they'll get hired.  To do anything.  This is no longer a "temporary" problem - the US is going to have to develop a strategy for the millions of people who simply dropped out of the labor market and can't get back in.
 
2014-01-05 03:17:00 PM

Lsherm: This is no longer a "temporary" problem - the US is going to have to develop a strategy for the millions of people who simply dropped out of the labor market and can't get back in.


They are, McDonald's and Wal-Mart are hiring.

/not intended to be a realistic option.
 
2014-01-05 03:23:48 PM
GOP:  Please nominate this guy as the standard bearer of your principles.  PLEASE.
 
2014-01-05 03:32:50 PM

Lsherm: "I'm not against having unemployment insurance," the Kentucky Republican said on ABC's "This Week." "I do think, though, that the longer you have it, that it does provide some disincentive to work and that there are many studies that indicate this."

I'm sure in the past that was true, but the "recovery" of the economy this time around is so anemic that there just aren't any jobs for these people to "get."  I doubt unemployment insurance is the correct long-term solution, but you could easily make the argument that other parts of the social safety net need to be upped, including food stamps and rent subsidies.

The numbers just aren't there to blame the unemployed this time around.  Furthermore, the longer the are unemployed, the more unlikely it is that they'll get hired.  To do anything.  This is no longer a "temporary" problem - the US is going to have to develop a strategy for the millions of people who simply dropped out of the labor market and can't get back in.


That is a problem.  I suppose companies worry that people who have been unemployed for a long time might have gotten rusty, or might be damaged goods if no one else has hired them, but if everyone is thinking that, there's likely nothing wrong with the employee, the businesses just don't want to take a risk.

Perhaps a government incentives to businesses that hire people who have spent more than X amount of time unemployed would help.
 
2014-01-05 03:34:27 PM
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2014-01-05 03:35:42 PM
I am curious about one thing:
How many of these people have applied for jobs in another state?
Say North Dakota?


I get that you dont want to move, but in the past, that is what people had to do.
And no, your family doesnt have to move with you.

/it must really suck to be unemployed.
 
2014-01-05 03:37:14 PM

namatad: I am curious about one thing:
How many of these people have applied for jobs in another state?
Say North Dakota?


I get that you dont want to move, but in the past, that is what people had to do.
And no, your family doesnt have to move with you.

/it must really suck to be unemployed.


Unfortunately, most times you can't move because in order to get an apartment, you need to provide pay stubs.
 
2014-01-05 03:40:19 PM

namatad: I am curious about one thing:
How many of these people have applied for jobs in another state?
Say North Dakota?


I get that you dont want to move, but in the past, that is what people had to do.
And no, your family doesnt have to move with you.

/it must really suck to be unemployed.


I'd like to think we've evolved beyond the need to resort to depression era dust bowl solutions.
 
2014-01-05 03:46:50 PM
fta "Let's be clear, the reason why the White House is so actively pushing this is they want to desperately talk about anything but Obamacare," Walker said

I know, right? When people don't have money for food or rent, they're mostly concerned that they don't hear more about Obamacare.
 
2014-01-05 03:50:19 PM

RedPhoenix122: namatad: I am curious about one thing:
How many of these people have applied for jobs in another state?
Say North Dakota?


I get that you dont want to move, but in the past, that is what people had to do.
And no, your family doesnt have to move with you.

/it must really suck to be unemployed.

Unfortunately, most times you can't move because in order to get an apartment, you need to provide pay stubs.


Most times you need money to move, too.  Hard to get a job if you're living in your car.
 
2014-01-05 04:01:32 PM

TuteTibiImperes: namatad: I am curious about one thing:
How many of these people have applied for jobs in another state?
Say North Dakota?


I get that you dont want to move, but in the past, that is what people had to do.
And no, your family doesnt have to move with you.

/it must really suck to be unemployed.

I'd like to think we've evolved beyond the need to resort to depression era dust bowl solutions.


yes no and sort of
Think about all the anecdotal small towns, where the ONE factory closed. The paper mill is gone, never coming back, everyone is unemployed, and no one wants to move to the next town over, or 4 towns over, to get the new job.

And yah, while not as bad as the dust bowl, people have had to move to find work. meh.
This used to happen ALL THE TIME, just in smaller numbers, spread out over years.


RedPhoenix122: Unfortunately, most times you can't move because in order to get an apartment, you need to provide pay stubs.


YUP
that is completely true
NONE of the people who moved to ND to get the jobs on the oil fields had this problem.
They all magically were able to get housing and a job.

IT'S A MIRACLE.
 
2014-01-05 04:03:37 PM

namatad: I am curious about one thing:
How many of these people have applied for jobs in another state?
Say North Dakota?


I get that you dont want to move, but in the past, that is what people had to do.
And no, your family doesnt have to move with you.

/it must really suck to be unemployed.


Oddly enough, when folks don't have steady income, it's often difficult to come up with the cash to move. First, last, deposit, initial utilities, new bank, plus the actual moving costs. Yup. EXACTLY what you want to take on when you have no job. Brilliant strategy.

Moving when you have a job, to get to another job? That's fair normal. There are plenty of folks who are migratory in nature. Did more than a few seasonal circuits back in the day. Taken leaps across the country a few times--but that was WITH a job in place waiting. Because moving and hoping to get a job is pretty much equal to stabbing yourself through the foot with a red hot poker...
 
2014-01-05 04:08:16 PM

bronyaur1: GOP:  Please nominate this guy as the standard bearer of your principles.  PLEASE.


Indeed. I will also accept Paul Ryan. I look forward to just playing clips of them talking about getting their world view from Ayn Rand and cut to her talking about how there is no God and charity is for suckers.
 
2014-01-05 04:16:50 PM

hubiestubert: Moving when you have a job, to get to another job? That's fair normal. There are plenty of folks who are migratory in nature. Did more than a few seasonal circuits back in the day. Taken leaps across the country a few times--but that was WITH a job in place waiting. Because moving and hoping to get a job is pretty much equal to stabbing yourself through the foot with a red hot poker...


Why not use some of the safety net to relocate some people? If you secured a job before you moved, why not help other people do the same? If there are skilled people stuck where they are because of money, it seems like a good idea to get them to the job more than let them sit there. Also, Bill said it best a couple of years ago- I'm not going to look it up right now- but he said we should be funneling money into qualifying people so they can take the unfilled jobs that are out there rather than just extending unemployment indefinitely. I don't think Obama gives two shiats about fixing what is going on...

/2cents
 
2014-01-05 04:19:07 PM

hubiestubert: namatad: I am curious about one thing:
How many of these people have applied for jobs in another state?
Say North Dakota?


I get that you dont want to move, but in the past, that is what people had to do.
And no, your family doesnt have to move with you.

/it must really suck to be unemployed.

Oddly enough, when folks don't have steady income, it's often difficult to come up with the cash to move. First, last, deposit, initial utilities, new bank, plus the actual moving costs. Yup. EXACTLY what you want to take on when you have no job. Brilliant strategy.

Moving when you have a job, to get to another job? That's fair normal. There are plenty of folks who are migratory in nature. Did more than a few seasonal circuits back in the day. Taken leaps across the country a few times--but that was WITH a job in place waiting. Because moving and hoping to get a job is pretty much equal to stabbing yourself through the foot with a red hot poker...



1) I never said it would be EASY.
2)  http://money.msn.com/investing/unemployed-go-to-north-dakota-cnbc.asp x

"It's a zoo," said Terry Ayers, who came to town from Spokane, Wash., slept in his truck and found a job within hours of arrival, tripling his salary. "It's crazy what's going on out here." 

THE people who WANT work, do what it takes to get a job.
I am all in favor of extending the benefits.
BUT if you have been out of work for 2 years, I would start thinking about doing something HARD to get a job, rather than soft and easy.


UNLESS, we are really arguing that people who are out of work should never, ever have to go back to work. Which is a bit crazy.

"I cant find a job paying 30% more than I used to make, near where I live now, so I am not going to change anything until I can get a better paying job. my unemployment is enough to get by on."

MEH
There IS something in the middle.

/the GOP is NUTS for cutting off unemployment. people who have been unemployed for 2 years could probably use some incentives to do something DIFFERENT. 
/who knows, maybe the insane GOP move is the right kick in the pants. satan help us.
 
2014-01-05 04:19:47 PM
"The best thing we could do to help people employed or underemployed is fix Obamacare, replace it with a patient-centered plan that put people in charge, not the government in charge, and got rid of the uncertainty so many businesses in my state and across the country talk about."

Yeah, because those unemployed people can really afford health insurance, especially with their unemployment insurance being cut off. I'm sure that Obamacare is really what they care about.
 
2014-01-05 04:21:55 PM

OregonVet: I don't think Obama gives two shiats about fixing what is going on...


strangely enough, I am 100% certain that CONGRESS writes the BILLS which get signed into LAW by President Obama.

Get back to me when Congress passes a jobs bill which is vetoed by President Obama.

WAIT WAIT WAIT
Congress has been spending all of its time on not paying the bills and trying to veto Obamacare.
Congress has passed zero jobs bills.

but sure
blame the secret muslim in the white house
 
2014-01-05 04:29:12 PM
Here's the thing:  they talk about job training.  Who can afford that if they're unemployed and have no benefits?  Plus employers want to hire somebody with experience.  And even if you have experience, some employers demand you have a diploma or other certification.  Exactly how can somebody that might know how to do a job get a job?
 
2014-01-05 04:33:11 PM
Rand Paul has no connection to reality. Film at eleven.
 
2014-01-05 04:35:55 PM
Technology has gotten to the point such that there is no way the jobs people used to have are ever coming back. We need to just accept that the older members of that group are effectively retired and provide retirement benefits to them. If nothing else, because it's the farking Christian/Muslim/etc. thing to do.
 
2014-01-05 04:58:30 PM

Lsherm: The numbers just aren't there to blame the unemployed this time around.


And yet that is a major cornerstone of many politicians' policy proposals vis-a-vis the unemployed.
 
2014-01-05 05:01:06 PM
"In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets, and steal loaves of bread."

Anatole France
 
2014-01-05 05:02:11 PM
You cannot blame the unemployed for not working if there is no demand from employers to hire.
 
2014-01-05 05:06:07 PM
Funny how this rich white guys in Congress have so much experience with being poor, unemployed, and in danger of losing their homes.
 
2014-01-05 05:06:55 PM

namatad: Get back to me when Congress passes a jobs bill which is vetoed by President Obama.


Show me how high it's on his agenda. I don't think it's ever been number one. On top of that, with how he uses executive authority, you can't tell me he couldn't use the safety net to help people get trained or get to a job if he wanted to do so. Now I have to go find the Clinton quote, because he explained how to do it as the executive and it made a hell of a lot more sense than your hand wringing.
 
2014-01-05 05:07:02 PM
"Let's be clear, the reason why the White House is so actively pushing this is they want to desperately talk about anything but Obamacare," Walker said. "The best thing we could do to help people employed or underemployed is fix Obamacare ..."

Everything is Obamacare, Everything.
 
2014-01-05 05:07:17 PM
Someone needs to show
CHART 1 to Sen Paul.  Then explain what structural unemployment is. And finally, that it has a new equilibrium in our economy.


What a goddamn evil cocksucker he and his ilk are.
 
2014-01-05 05:07:59 PM
The best thing we can do is implement a 50% tax rate on income over a million dollars, a 60% rate on income over $10 million and a 70% rate on income over $100 million. Then use that money to create a WPA-style work program that first trains people in the construction industries and then uses them to rebuild the country's infrastructure.

With single payer health care for work projects employees.  Socialism? You bet your sweet ass it is.
 
2014-01-05 05:09:06 PM
Catch 22, you need experience to get a job, but you need a job first to get experience.
 
2014-01-05 05:12:36 PM
well lookee there....I guess he actually did think that up all by himself and said it.

Imagine that?
 
2014-01-05 05:12:46 PM

bronyaur1: GOP:  Please nominate this guy as the standard bearer of your principles.  PLEASE.


Reince Priebus's Hydra-like stomach ulcers sure will appreciate it.
 
2014-01-05 05:13:00 PM

OregonVet: namatad: Get back to me when Congress passes a jobs bill which is vetoed by President Obama.

Show me how high it's on his agenda. I don't think it's ever been number one. On top of that, with how he uses executive authority, you can't tell me he couldn't use the safety net to help people get trained or get to a job if he wanted to do so. Now I have to go find the Clinton quote, because he explained how to do it as the executive and it made a hell of a lot more sense than your hand wringing.


Obama had some good ideas, Congress voted it down.
 
2014-01-05 05:17:40 PM

OregonVet: namatad: Get back to me when Congress passes a jobs bill which is vetoed by President Obama.

Show me how high it's on his agenda. I don't think it's ever been number one. On top of that, with how he uses executive authority, you can't tell me he couldn't use the safety net to help people get trained or get to a job if he wanted to do so. Now I have to go find the Clinton quote, because he explained how to do it as the executive and it made a hell of a lot more sense than your hand wringing.


Clinton did not have to deal with Teaparty whack jobs who are likely to sue over any move the president makes they thunk might be socialist.
 
2014-01-05 05:19:33 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Obama had some good ideas, Congress voted it down.


You didn't read that.
 
2014-01-05 05:21:48 PM

OregonVet: TuteTibiImperes: Obama had some good ideas, Congress voted it down.

You didn't read that.


What part of what I said wasn't correct?
 
2014-01-05 05:24:14 PM

clambam: The best thing we can do is implement a 50% tax rate on income over a million dollars, a 60% rate on income over $10 million and a 70% rate on income over $100 million. Then use that money to create a WPA-style work program that first trains people in the construction industries and then uses them to rebuild the country's infrastructure.

With single payer health care for work projects employees.  Socialism? You bet your sweet ass it is.


Pretty much this. Eisenhower era tax rates would be even better.

And Libertarians are more disconnected from reality than Neo was before he took the red pill.
 
2014-01-05 05:24:29 PM
Best cure for unemployment? Education!
Heck, I'd be fine if you paid a bonus to those unemployed who are educating themselves and getting passing grades.
 
2014-01-05 05:25:13 PM
"I'm not against having unemployment insurance," the Kentucky Republican said on ABC's "This Week." "I do think, though, that the longer you have it, that it does provide some disincentive to work and that there are many studies that indicate this."


i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-05 05:28:23 PM
Patiently waiting for this to happen to Rand Paul in real life:

i42.tinypic.com
 
2014-01-05 05:29:24 PM

That downright fetid Sunday squall?
You've only to thank one RAND PAUL.
Part-time? Unemployed?
You're deemed null and void!
It's like talking to a brick wall.

 
2014-01-05 05:30:21 PM
I'm going to need to see some evidence this wasn't plagiarized from someone else.
 
2014-01-05 05:30:31 PM

Pichu0102: "I'm not against having unemployment insurance," the Kentucky Republican said on ABC's "This Week." "I do think, though, that the longer you have it, that it does provide some disincentive to work and that there are many studies that indicate this."


I think it's already pretty clear he doesn't know how to cite sources.
 
2014-01-05 05:32:43 PM
When you subsidize something, you get more of it.
 
2014-01-05 05:32:50 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Lsherm: "I'm not against having unemployment insurance," the Kentucky Republican said on ABC's "This Week." "I do think, though, that the longer you have it, that it does provide some disincentive to work and that there are many studies that indicate this."

I'm sure in the past that was true, but the "recovery" of the economy this time around is so anemic that there just aren't any jobs for these people to "get."  I doubt unemployment insurance is the correct long-term solution, but you could easily make the argument that other parts of the social safety net need to be upped, including food stamps and rent subsidies.

The numbers just aren't there to blame the unemployed this time around.  Furthermore, the longer the are unemployed, the more unlikely it is that they'll get hired.  To do anything.  This is no longer a "temporary" problem - the US is going to have to develop a strategy for the millions of people who simply dropped out of the labor market and can't get back in.

That is a problem.  I suppose companies worry that people who have been unemployed for a long time might have gotten rusty, or might be damaged goods if no one else has hired them, but if everyone is thinking that, there's likely nothing wrong with the employee, the businesses just don't want to take a risk.

Perhaps a government incentives to businesses that hire people who have spent more than X amount of time unemployed would help.


Demand is not there since people are trying to pay down their debt. No demand means no jobs. People not working, and now losing unemployment means less demand. And round and round we go.
 
2014-01-05 05:33:56 PM
Rand Paul 2016! He'll let you hunt poor people in the streets like any bootstrappy real Christian American should!
 
2014-01-05 05:39:14 PM

namatad: I am curious about one thing:
How many of these people have applied for jobs in another state?
Say North Dakota?


I get that you dont want to move, but in the past, that is what people had to do.
And no, your family doesnt have to move with you.

/it must really suck to be unemployed.


I wonder what would happen if 30 million people moved to North Dakota for jobs. I am sure the state would do just fine.
 
2014-01-05 05:40:53 PM

LargeCanine: When you subsidize something, you get more of it.


This is why we have an economy based on finance rather than actually making anything.  We subsidize capital transactions by charging a lower income tax rate for capital gains or dividends.
 
2014-01-05 05:41:27 PM

coyo: Best cure for unemployment? Education!
Heck, I'd be fine if you paid a bonus to those unemployed who are educating themselves and getting passing grades.


Good thing a number of states with real unemployment issues like North Carolina, Louisiana, and Tennessee have gutted their educational systems.

/And they're probably going to re-elect these fundie mouth-breathers.
 
2014-01-05 05:41:31 PM
"Liberals seem to assume that, if you don't believe in their particular political solutions, then you don't really care about the people that they claim to want to help." - Thomas Sowell
 
2014-01-05 05:45:26 PM

Richard C Stanford: Rand Paul 2016! He'll let you hunt poor people in the streets like any bootstrappy real Christian American should!


Rifle or bow season? And how many is the limit?
 
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