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2014-01-05 03:58:05 PM  

foxyshadis: iheartscotch: texdent: This is what you people get for living up near Canada.

What do you mean "you people"?

What do YOU mean "you people"?


www.haro-online.com


You think just coz I'm small you can just push me around? Well, come on my friend. Let's boogie! I'm gonna give a little lesson in low center of gravity!
 
2014-01-05 04:01:41 PM  
Today was the last day of a conference here.  I sat towards the back of the auditorium for the talks.  Every other laptop was open to an airline website, either checking on the status of their flights or trying to make new arrangements to get home.

/must really, really suck for those international attendees
 
2014-01-05 04:03:34 PM  
Live in far south burbs of Chicago (closer to Kankakee) and we are not going to work in Downtown Chicago tomorrow. Too cold. Too much snow. Not even sure if there will be train service to even GET downtown.

Going out in -52 windchill is dangerous and insane.

My company headquarters out of St Louis and they are getting smacked too so there's a good chance of a severe weather closing anyway.
 
2014-01-05 04:05:05 PM  
 
2014-01-05 04:09:48 PM  

corgimommy: Live in far south burbs of Chicago (closer to Kankakee) and we are not going to work in Downtown Chicago tomorrow. Too cold. Too much snow. Not even sure if there will be train service to even GET downtown.

Going out in -52 windchill is dangerous and insane.

My company headquarters out of St Louis and they are getting smacked too so there's a good chance of a severe weather closing anyway.


Nice life.
It's going to be so cold downtown......
They canceled my day off and I have to go downtown.   I have 7 full days off in January.
Now it's 6.
 
2014-01-05 04:20:28 PM  

jnapier: corgimommy: Live in far south burbs of Chicago (closer to Kankakee) and we are not going to work in Downtown Chicago tomorrow. Too cold. Too much snow. Not even sure if there will be train service to even GET downtown.

Going out in -52 windchill is dangerous and insane.

My company headquarters out of St Louis and they are getting smacked too so there's a good chance of a severe weather closing anyway.

Nice life.
It's going to be so cold downtown......
They canceled my day off and I have to go downtown.   I have 7 full days off in January.
Now it's 6.


Actually I would rather be at work. But its pretty much guaranteed that my MS will not allow me safe travels in that kind of cold PLUS I know the car won't start after a day in sub-zero temps in the train station lot.

So while an extra day off due to extreme weather sounds nice and all I would rather be at my job doing all the stuff that needs doing.
 
2014-01-05 04:29:37 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: We can deal with that. It's the -20F/-30C that is f*cking with us.


You can give us some of that too. It keeps malaria out.
 
2014-01-05 04:33:25 PM  

jaytkay: Photo: Pigeons hogging the infrared heat on an L platform


The L must not be running because no interloping pigeons to be seen here in the burbs. Or maybe they missed their transfer. Or the neighbors already called the cops and they are in pigeon lockup.

Basic Chi burbs snow shot and temp forecast.
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It's a somewhat heavy snow, but easy to clear with a shovel as it is dry and fluffy.
 
2014-01-05 04:39:55 PM  
Feb 2011 was crap. I was supposed to fly to Vegas for my sister's wedding a couple days later. Ended up spending an extra $1000 on new tickets and got there just before the wedding started.

For those of you talking about using a 4X4, wouldn't have made a difference. I did try to dig our car out enough to make it to the main street. The snow was literally up past my waist and thick. It was unreal. Even when they plowed, it took me 30 minutes to dig the car out from the residual snow.

Crazy stuff.
 
2014-01-05 04:52:32 PM  

iheartscotch: Do people not have 4 wheel drive? I've never been in a situation that 4 lo and a wench couldn't get me out of.


No, but I'll totally go out and buy it this afternoon.  Thanks for the extremely useful advice.

/not sure if serious
 
2014-01-05 04:56:17 PM  
Just here a plane go over the house, probably on its way to Midway.  First one today.
 
2014-01-05 05:14:05 PM  
Not sure if serious.

According to the national news weather doesn't count unless it's on the left coast or until it passes east of the Alleghenies.

-------------
Oblig:
The coldest air of the season is now gripping the upper Midwest. The
following temperature table shows the effects of the impending arctic
blast.


(degrees Fahrenheit / Celsius)
  +50 / +10
    * New York tenants turn on the heat
    * Wisconsinites plant gardens
    * Airmass too stable for supercells

  +40 / +4
    * Californians shiver uncontrollably
    * Wisconsinites sunbathe

  +35 / +2
    * Italian cars don't start

  +32 / 0
    * Distilled water freezes

  +30 / -1
    * You can see your breath
    * You plan a vacation in Florida
    * Politicians begin to worry about the homeless
    * Wisconsinites eat ice cream

  +25 / -4
    * Boston water freezes
    * Californians weep pitiably
    * Cat insists on sleeping on your bed with you

  +20 / -7
    * Cleveland water freezes
    * San Franciscans start thinking favorably of LA
    * Green Bay Packers fans put on T-shirts

  +15 / -10
    * You plan a vacation in Acapulco
    * Cat insists on sleeping in your bed with you
    * Wisconsinites go swimming

  +10 / -12
    * Politicians begin to talk about the homeless
    * Too cold to snow
    * You need jumper cables to get the car going

    0 / -18
    * New York landlords turn on the heat
    * Sheboygan brats grilled on the patio, yum!

   -5 / -21
    * You can hear your breath
    * You plan a vacation in Hawaii

  -10 / -23
    * American cars don't start
    * Too cold to skate

  -15 / -26
    * You can cut your breath and use it to build an igloo
    * Miamians cease to exist
    * Wisconsinites lick flagpoles

  -20 / -29
    * Cat insists on sleeping in your pajamas with you
    * Politicians acually do something about the homeless
    * People in Green Bay think about taking down screens
    * Every other storm chaser thinks air is too stable for supercells

  -25 / -32
    * Too cold to kiss
    * You need jumper cables to get the driver going
    * Japanese cars don't start
    * Milwaukee Brewers head for spring training

  -30 / -34
    * You plan a two-week hot bath
    * Pilsener freezes
    * Bock beer production begins
    * Wisconsinites shovel snow off roof

  -35 / -39
    * Mercury freezes
    * Too cold to think
    * Wisconsinites button top button

  -40 / -40
    * Californians disappear
    * Car insists on sleeping in your bed with you
    * Wisconsinites put on sweaters

  -50 / -46
    * Congressional hot air freezes
    * Alaskans close the bathroom window
    * Green Bay Packers practice indoors

  -60 / -51
    * Walruses abandon Aleutians
    * Sign on Mount St. Helens: "Closed for the Season"
    * Wisconsinites put gloves away, take out mittens
    * Boy Scouts in Eau Claire start Klondike Derby

  -70 / -57
    * Glaciers in Central Park
    * Hudson residents replace diving boards with hockey nets
    * Green Bay snowmobilers organize trans-lake race to Sault Ste. Marie

  -80 / -62
    * Polar bears abandon Baffin Island
    * Rhinelander Birkebeiner
    * Girl Scouts in Eau Claire start Klondike Derby

  -90 / -68
    * Edge of Antarctica reaches Rio de Janeiro
    * Lawyers chase ambulances for no more than 10 miles
    * Minnesotans migrate to Wisconsin thinking it MUST be warmer

 -100 / -73
    * Santa Claus abandons North Pole
    * Wisconsinites pull down earflaps

 -173 / -114
    * Ethyl alcohol freezes
    * Only Door County cherries usable in brandy Manhattans

 -297 / -183
    * Oxygen precipitates out of atmosphere
    * Microbial life survives only on dairy products

 -445 / -265
    * Superconductivity

 -452 / -269
    * Helium becomes a liquid

 -454 / -270
    * Hell freezes over
    * Chicago Cubs win world series
    * Roger Edwards sees a wedge tornado

 -456 / -271
    * Texas drivers drop below 85 MPH on I-35

 -458 / -272
    * Incumbent politicians renounce campaign contributions

 -460 / -273 (Absolute Zero)
    * All atomic motion ceases
    * Wisconsinites admit it's getting a mite nippy
 
2014-01-05 05:15:41 PM  

zimbomba63: Just here a plane go over the house, probably on its way to Midway.  First one today.


When it's really cold, the airliners sound like they're 100 feet high. My guess is that cold air is dense and carries sound better.
 
2014-01-05 05:16:45 PM  
Needlessly Complicated:

/Moved to TX from IL and I don't miss the cold one bit
//Sure, as a citizen of the Republic of Texas, I have other problems


I just moved from WI to Jersey, I'll take 12 above over 50 below.
 
2014-01-05 05:20:30 PM  

rkiller1: What a bunch of snowflake babies!  I had to live and shovel through this crap:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Blizzard_of_1967


So far here in muskoka Ontario we're over 2 meters.
 
2014-01-05 05:35:55 PM  
img.fark.netNot super cold, but that's a huge swing in temperature.
 
2014-01-05 06:15:24 PM  

iheartscotch: Do people not have 4 wheel drive? I've never been in a situation that 4 lo and a wench couldn't get me out of.


Umm, I understand the 4 lo, but what is the wench gonna do for you? Push?
 
2014-01-05 06:38:06 PM  

zimbomba63: Just here a plane go over the house, probably on its way to Midway.  First one today.


Supposedly Midway is on a 2 hr delay but open and running. Why is MDW so much better than ORD about foul weather operations?

I drove back about an hour ago from South Bend to my home right by Lake Michigan, and each mile west got worse. I'm officially snowed in as the exit to my development is buried in a snowdrift. We have steady NW winds of at least 35 and about 18" of snow on the ground.

We're ready but may end up needing to tape blankets over the sliding doors, as the wind is already blowing through the cracks.
 
2014-01-05 06:44:43 PM  

rkiller1: zimbomba63: rkiller1: What a bunch of snowflake babies!  I had to live and shovel through this crap:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Blizzard_of_1967

Well, hello there, me too!  I was 16, and we pent hours shoveling a way out of our side street and a city plow went by and sealed off the street again.  We gave up at that point, and began to drink some beer, that one of the guys brother had stolen.  We had over 100 "pony" size bottles of Millers.  Good times.

I was 14 and happy to get the day off of school (Hoffman Estates).
I recall people blaming it on Global Cooling or atomic bomb testing.


I was nine. Our power was out so we wore our winter coats indoors and Mom cooked on our Coleman stove. We kids dug tunnels through the roof-high snowdrifts. In other words, it was completely awesome.
 
2014-01-05 06:45:39 PM  

Fast Moon: iheartscotch: Do people not have 4 wheel drive? I've never been in a situation that 4 lo and a wench couldn't get me out of.

When you've got snow up to your bumper with a sheet of ice underneath it, it doesn't matter how many wheels you're spinning; you're not going anywhere.


If you've never gotten stuck with 4 wheel drive, I think you've never tried driving/plowing in deep snow. It gets packed underneath regardless of your ground clearance, and when the weight is off the tires, you go nowhere.
 
2014-01-05 07:16:49 PM  
You know it is supposed to get cold with CPS cancels school.  They rarely do that.
 
2014-01-05 07:34:49 PM  

GardenWeasel: rkiller1: What a bunch of snowflake babies!  I had to live and shovel through this crap:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Blizzard_of_1967

Indianapolis got roughly 10.5" during the legendary Blizzard of 78. I remember drifts were as high as some rooftops. We are looking at potentially 14-15" today, with the winds and arctic air coming late.


I lived through the blizzard of 93 and 96. Had just over 30 drop on our farm house is 96. Lived about an hour and half west of philly in the country. People here in Illinois go crazy at 10 inches, I don't want to see what they'd do in 30.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_ American_blizzard_of_1996
 
2014-01-05 08:07:35 PM  
I had to cancel my birthday festivities for tonight.

On top of that, for the second year in a row I'm sick.

Kick in the box: Packers lost.


/oh and I'm trapped in the house with my family who are driving me up a wall.
 
2014-01-05 08:26:31 PM  
Hey ho. Kane County here. Just wanted to chime in and say, yeah, the great Groundhogs Day Snowmageddon of 2011 was a far bigger deal than this snow. No question. But...I'm really, really not looking forward to tomorrow's wind chills. That's some scary shiat.

But I'll deal with it.
 
2014-01-05 08:27:47 PM  
Let's be honest: snow storms are just an easy justification to stay in and drink. They aren't bad if you aren't trying to be somewhere. I'll take the blizzard of 2011 over the godawful rain of last April anytime.
 
2014-01-05 08:33:00 PM  

itcamefromschenectady: Fast Moon: iheartscotch: Do people not have 4 wheel drive? I've never been in a situation that 4 lo and a wench couldn't get me out of.

When you've got snow up to your bumper with a sheet of ice underneath it, it doesn't matter how many wheels you're spinning; you're not going anywhere.

If you've never gotten stuck with 4 wheel drive, I think you've never tried driving/plowing in deep snow. It gets packed underneath regardless of your ground clearance, and when the weight is off the tires, you go nowhere.


Ha! Forget snow. I live 5minutes outside Pittsburgh in Stowe Twnshp. This morning there was a water main break 10-12 blocks from me. There are quite a few cars with their tires frozen to the street and going to stay that way for days.
What was that about 4wheel drive and wenches?
 
2014-01-05 08:46:31 PM  
I was stuck in Chicago Midway during some storm or other that was being called "the storm of the century" at the time. The plane kept getting de-iced, taxiing out to take off, and then going back and repeating the process.
 
2014-01-05 08:47:22 PM  

corgimommy: Live in far south burbs of Chicago (closer to Kankakee) and we are not going to work in Downtown Chicago tomorrow. Too cold. Too much snow. Not even sure if there will be train service to even GET downtown.

Going out in -52 windchill is dangerous and insane.

My company headquarters out of St Louis and they are getting smacked too so there's a good chance of a severe weather closing anyway.


I used to walk my dog in -50 windchill.  Man up pussies, this is typical weather on the Alaskan coast.
 
2014-01-05 08:57:40 PM  

New Age Redneck: Dear Chicago

   Please send us your snow.

BC, Canada


Our snow is dumping in the ocean. Stupid drunk weather pattern, the ocean is already wet! It doesn't need snow.
 
2014-01-05 09:06:40 PM  

ytterbium: zimbomba63: Just here a plane go over the house, probably on its way to Midway.  First one today.

Supposedly Midway is on a 2 hr delay but open and running. Why is MDW so much better than ORD about foul weather operations?



Because they handle around 1/8th of the traffic?
 
2014-01-05 09:31:23 PM  
Driving back from Indiana today, had to take a detour through the Sky Way. Honestly wasn't terrible versus some of the other places I saw today, but it also helped that traffic was much lighter than every other time I've been through the city.

I did manage to escape it, but I-55 South got too dicey when the sun went down and visibility became absolutely nil. I probably could have kept driving, but it would have been both at a snail's pace and with me way stressed out over the conditions.

/Motel 6 is a lot nicer than I thought it'd be
 
2014-01-05 09:49:53 PM  

italie: ytterbium: zimbomba63: Just here a plane go over the house, probably on its way to Midway.  First one today.

Supposedly Midway is on a 2 hr delay but open and running. Why is MDW so much better than ORD about foul weather operations?


Because they handle around 1/8th of the traffic?


Perhaps, but you'd think O'Hare would have a top-notch system despite its size.
 
2014-01-05 10:04:04 PM  
Plow truck just went by, dropping salt. Our turn next, I suppose.

/Thank FSM for VPN
 
2014-01-05 10:05:02 PM  
Jeebus dont you chicagans know how to deal with a little snow?
 
2014-01-05 10:06:03 PM  
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Smeggy Smurf: I used to walk my dog in -50 windchill.  Man up pussies, this is typical weather on the Alaskan coast.


yeah, "used to." Until the dog froze to the ground from a rogue wave and you didn't even notice because you were drunk. I hope you gave that dog a nice funeral.
 
2014-01-05 10:06:57 PM  
Wussies. I'm riding my bike to work tomorrow. Just because I can.


/hooray for Surly Pugsley.
 
2014-01-06 12:25:00 AM  

mochunk: Wussies. I'm riding my bike to work tomorrow. Just because I can.

/hooray for Surly Pugsley.


Looks like we've got a badass here. I'll be watching how this works out for you on the 5pm news tomorrow.  Have fun.

/told to work from home tomorrow.
 
2014-01-06 01:50:23 AM  
Chicago is like a Jersey Shore chick when it comes to weather...a completely self-absorbed drama queen.

Someone should tell everyone in every other city in America where it snows in the winter that Chicago's got it MUCH worse, and they're WAY tougher about it. You know...except when they're obsessively whining about it or making up some retarded term to over-dramatize it, which is, well...100% of the time.

And while we're at it, Chicago, allow me to let you in on the fact that the "time-honored tradition" of setting out chairs after you dig your car out also happens in every single one of the aforementioned cities.

/sorry you're not special
 
2014-01-06 02:28:10 AM  
www.topgear.com
 
2014-01-06 03:30:19 AM  

Mr_Fabulous: Hey ho. Kane County here. Just wanted to chime in and say, yeah, the great Groundhogs Day Snowmageddon of 2011 was a far bigger deal than this snow. No question. But...I'm really, really not looking forward to tomorrow's wind chills. That's some scary shiat.

But I'll deal with it.


Fellow Kane County resident here. Yep, 2011 was far, far worse as far as snow. Absolutely impossible to drive anywhere until mid-afternoon. Today only took about 30 minutes to clear out, and the plows had already been through before I got up. I don't have to go very far to get to work, but if the car doen't start tomorrow, it doesn't matter if it's a couple miles or 40, I won't be going.
 
2014-01-06 06:32:07 AM  
No mention of the 18 year cycle with the Sun, Moon and Earth in alignment creating odd weather?
 
2014-01-06 11:12:33 AM  

ytterbium: italie: ytterbium: zimbomba63: Just here a plane go over the house, probably on its way to Midway.  First one today.

Supposedly Midway is on a 2 hr delay but open and running. Why is MDW so much better than ORD about foul weather operations?


Because they handle around 1/8th of the traffic?

Perhaps, but you'd think O'Hare would have a top-notch system despite its size.



O'hare does have better equipment/faculties in place to deal with delays. It's just that these types of issues don't scale in a linear fashion.

You can take care of the extra runway maintenance by throwing more trucks at it, but most of the runways are also longer which means it takes more time to sweep each runway.

You can take care of the larger de-icing traffic by also throwing more trucks/crews at it. At some point you will reach a capacity limit with crews and space. Compound that with repeated de-icing due to delays caused by runway maintenance, and things start to snowball (so to speak).

The passenger issue is a completely different ballgame as well.  At midway, you have X number of possibilities due to the limited number of flights in/out of there each day. If your flight is cancelled, it is often "Go home, see you tomorrow". O'hare is a bit different, where the possibilities to get someone on another flight/airline/route are more robust. This is often a double edge sword for weather delays. As more  and more flights get cancelled, the re-booking "pool" grows exponentially. To throw out random numbers, say you have a flight of 100 people that gets cancelled. You re-book these 100 people across 5 other flights (each having 100 people of their own already on the flight). Now these 5 flights get cancelled. You now have 500 more people to re distribute, AND the original 100 people who will be getting shuffled around a second time. This cycle continues for the next day and a half, with a majority of the people not giving up and going home until they've consumed every possible chance of getting out on a flight. It's O'hare's ability to handle flight cancellations smoothly that turns into the reason it can't handle flight cancellations smoothly. The system works well when you are handling a few cancellations here and there, but falls apart like a bad ponzie scheme when every flight is getting canceled.
 
2014-01-06 11:32:59 AM  

italie: ytterbium: italie: ytterbium: zimbomba63: Just here a plane go over the house, probably on its way to Midway.  First one today.

Supposedly Midway is on a 2 hr delay but open and running. Why is MDW so much better than ORD about foul weather operations?


Because they handle around 1/8th of the traffic?

Perhaps, but you'd think O'Hare would have a top-notch system despite its size.


O'hare does have better equipment/faculties in place to deal with delays. It's just that these types of issues don't scale in a linear fashion.

You can take care of the extra runway maintenance by throwing more trucks at it, but most of the runways are also longer which means it takes more time to sweep each runway.

You can take care of the larger de-icing traffic by also throwing more trucks/crews at it. At some point you will reach a capacity limit with crews and space. Compound that with repeated de-icing due to delays caused by runway maintenance, and things start to snowball (so to speak).

The passenger issue is a completely different ballgame as well.  At midway, you have X number of possibilities due to the limited number of flights in/out of there each day. If your flight is cancelled, it is often "Go home, see you tomorrow". O'hare is a bit different, where the possibilities to get someone on another flight/airline/route are more robust. This is often a double edge sword for weather delays. As more  and more flights get cancelled, the re-booking "pool" grows exponentially. To throw out random numbers, say you have a flight of 100 people that gets cancelled. You re-book these 100 people across 5 other flights (each having 100 people of their own already on the flight). Now these 5 flights get cancelled. You now have 500 more people to re distribute, AND the original 100 people who will be getting shuffled around a second time. This cycle continues for the next day and a half, with a majority of the people not giving up and going home until they've consumed every possible chance of getting out on a flight. It's O'hare's ability to handle flight cancellations smoothly that turns into the reason it can't handle flight cancellations smoothly. The system works well when you are handling a few cancellations here and there, but falls apart like a bad ponzie scheme when every flight is getting canceled.


Thanks, that was a really great explanation. I knew it was due to the complexity of the flights there, but I hadn't thought it out to that level.
 
2014-01-06 03:29:15 PM  

netringer: Not sure if serious.

According to the national news weather doesn't count unless it's on the left coast or until it passes east of the Alleghenies.
  ...

That's because all that stuff between is flyover country.
 
2014-01-06 10:15:59 PM  
They will talk for years about the Blizzard of Dickety-Fourteen.
 
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