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(Enterprise News)   Backyard zip lines are fun, or in technical legal langauge "risky and uninsurable"   (enterprisenews.com) divider line 43
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2014-01-05 11:50:37 AM
It's always fun to get the local fat kid to try it, and then place bets on how far they go before losing their grip.
 
2014-01-05 12:16:49 PM
There was no way of knowing that it was a bad tree

That's when I stopped reading.
 
2014-01-05 01:47:48 PM

TheHighlandHowler: There was no way of knowing that it was a bad tree

That's when I stopped reading.


From a little back from your quote:  On that Thursday morning the zip line was installed between two trees in the Dupill's heavily wooded backyard.

I pretty much knew what the rest of the article would say.  How could a tree so rotten not be obvious during installation?
 
2014-01-05 02:20:55 PM
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and they pretty much covered it.
 
2014-01-05 02:22:02 PM
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2014-01-05 02:25:07 PM
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2014-01-05 02:26:28 PM

TheHighlandHowler: There was no way of knowing that it was a bad tree

That's when I stopped reading.


This. If the tree was in that bad shape it'd be damn obvious. They probably hit it a few times and when it didn't fall over they decided it was strong enough.
 
2014-01-05 02:27:11 PM
If any part of the zip line is higher than an appropriate monkey bar height for the user, it needs to be done by a professional.
 
2014-01-05 02:31:42 PM
Holy Attractive Hazard Batman!

You'd about need to retain a lawyer to hand out pain waivers, or something.

/ kind of like a Dethklok concert
 
2014-01-05 02:44:19 PM
Lord Jubjub:
How could a tree so rotten not be obvious during installation?

It does happen. There was a perfectly normal-looking oak tree down the street - fell over during a thunderstorm.

From looking at it afterwards, the only healthy parts were the bark and about 1/4" of actual wood. It was rotted out and hollow otherwise. Full crown of leaves.
 
2014-01-05 02:48:04 PM
I will stick to my good ole fashioned fun!!!

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2014-01-05 02:49:49 PM
Haha, comedy gold for us to watch on youtube later. "What could go wrong?"
 
2014-01-05 02:50:28 PM
When I was but a young lad, my grandfather had thousands of feet of steel cable, old pulleys and 10 acres of giant pecan trees.  My brothers and I stretched that wire with a come-along and had an elaborate network of trusses much like Fred Garvin, male prostitute. Good times. Good times.
 
2014-01-05 02:50:50 PM
Maybe I've been on Fark too long, but the only commenter on that site, I immediately looked up to see if he was an arborist, because he capitalized it.  Disappointed...
 
2014-01-05 02:52:07 PM

eas81: I will stick to my good ole fashioned fun!!!

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Space Age mayhem FTW!!!
 
2014-01-05 02:53:32 PM
All you Fark Libs hating on a bootstrappy small business owner who was trying to innovate without the heavy thumb of government regulation on his neck.
 
2014-01-05 03:01:48 PM
Worked for a liability insurer a couple of years ago, and zip-liners were only one of two businesses that were an automatic no-go, and that was pretty much industry standard.  They're very tough to get policies for.
 
2014-01-05 03:08:12 PM
Had a zipline in my backyard, was only  a few feet off the ground so not particularly dangerous particularly as I grew older and had to raise my knees so that my legs wouldn't touch the ground.
 
2014-01-05 03:09:09 PM

Brakefornobody: Worked for a liability insurer a couple of years ago, and zip-liners were only one of two businesses that were an automatic no-go, and that was pretty much industry standard.  They're very tough to get policies for.


My younger sister had her prom last year and mom and dad were on the post-prom committee. Farkstick parents wanted a mechanical bull and a zipline because both of those are what the kids wanted. This was a Catholic school, and dad had the sense to call the Bishop's office instead of pounding his head against the wall.

For some reason, high school kids and unsupervised physical activities in an environment where the school and diocese is directly liable is a bad thing.
 
2014-01-05 03:09:11 PM

theorellior: All you Fark Libs hating on a bootstrappy small business owner who was trying to innovate without the heavy thumb of government regulation on his neck.


I'm trying to figure out some way that this is related to the article, but can't. Can you illuminate?
 
2014-01-05 03:09:53 PM
They mentioned the pine tree was 30 feet tall, but that doesn't mean jack squat if it is two feet in circumference.
 
2014-01-05 03:14:26 PM

DrBrownCow: They mentioned the pine tree was 30 feet tall, but that doesn't mean jack squat if it is two feet in circumference.


In fact, assuming the broken tree on the ground in the photo is the one they were using, it was barely 1 foot in circumference.   Idiots.
 
2014-01-05 03:15:21 PM
I put a zip line in the back yard. I didn't use one of those crappy kits. I purchased real mountaineering gear. Also, the proper way to anchor to a tree involves drilling through the tree, which is a pretty good way to inspect the strength of the tree. Mine goes between two very strong oaks, for about 250 feet. I didn't think about the insurance angle though. The kids are older now, so I'll probably remove it.
It is fun for adults, at night, after cocktails - hurtling toward a tree in the pitch black..
 
2014-01-05 03:17:41 PM

destry: I'm trying to figure out some way that this is related to the article, but can't. Can you illuminate?


I'm trolling. Badly. Hope that clears things up.
 
2014-01-05 03:18:46 PM
Well zippity doo dah.
 
2014-01-05 03:38:35 PM

eas81: I will stick to my good ole fashioned fun!!!

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www.knifeforums.com

CSB We were playing with Jarts as kids. Launching them one day with a bicycle innertube and a piece of aluminum awning that we had fabricated into a makeshift ballista, (Think black arrow launching at Hobbitses dragons) in order to see how high we could make them go. Well, of course 'what goes up, must come down' and sure enough it came down right into the head of one of my older playmates. Fortunately the jart did not enter his cranium or even penetrate his skull. It had in fact only broken the scalp and lodged above his ear. Those Jarts did not have a particularly sharp point, but this one's mark was true. The metal tip stretched the skin away from the skull and bled profusely when his dad pulled it out. I will never forget that day, because one kid cried and screamed over and over that we'd 'killed him' and his little brother (that had two toes grown together) peed his pants.
 
2014-01-05 03:38:48 PM
Wow, Fark Enterprise News and their NoScript redirect hell!
 
2014-01-05 03:49:30 PM
Oh, you have to love websites that load perfectly fine, then redirect you away from the page you actually wanted to read for -GASP- daring to have javascript disabled. Enterprise news just lost a potential reader for a greedy, poorly designed script.

//seconded on InterruptingQuirk's point..
 
2014-01-05 04:09:30 PM

DrBrownCow: They mentioned the pine tree was 30 feet tall, but that doesn't mean jack squat if it is two feet in circumference.


^this.

It's probably a new growth replacement for the 75' pine that should have been there.
 
2014-01-05 04:25:08 PM
Ziplines are cool and all, but not as fun as back yard human slingshots:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYthI8sVTME
 
2014-01-05 04:56:30 PM
Everything is fun and games 'til somebody makes the fat kid do it......
 
2014-01-05 05:28:59 PM

Dahnkster: eas81: I will stick to my good ole fashioned fun!!!

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CSB We were playing with Jarts as kids. Launching them one day with a bicycle innertube and a piece of aluminum awning that we had fabricated into a makeshift ballista, (Think black arrow launching at Hobbitses dragons) in order to see how high we could make them go. Well, of course 'what goes up, must come down' and sure enough it came down right into the head of one of my older playmates. Fortunately the jart did not enter his cranium or even penetrate his skull. It had in fact only broken the scalp and lodged above his ear. Those Jarts did not have a particularly sharp point, but this one's mark was true. The metal tip stretched the skin away from the skull and bled profusely when his dad pulled it out. I will never forget that day, because one kid cried and screamed over and over that we'd 'killed him' and his little brother (that had two toes grown together) peed his pants.


That really was a CSB. Would read again.
 
2014-01-05 05:41:44 PM
I put up a 100' zip line about ten years ago when my son was a tot. I'd belt him up in a car seat tied to the pulley. He loved it. We moved and I'd like to have one again, but the terrain says no.
 
2014-01-05 07:36:12 PM
BSB (boring story bro) - here in New Zealand it's common to have these things on playgrounds.  There are two within a ten minute drive that are over 100 feet long and start from a platform six or seven feet high.  These are fully open to the public 24/7 and oddly nobody has died on them.

Their existence has a lot to do with the fact that you can't sue someone for damages here.  If you get hurt, the government pays to stitch you back up again, even if you need to spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair.  I just sliced my finger open with a chisel last week and the six stitches and two follow up appointments cost me a total of SEVEN dollars, including a course of antibiotics and a tetanus booster.  I hate to think what that would have cost me when I lived in the States, even WITH health insurance.
 
2014-01-05 08:47:46 PM

InterruptingQuirk: Wow, Fark Enterprise News and their NoScript redirect hell!


This. If I require javascript to read text, you're doing it wrong.

/wish we'd get to html 5 already
 
2014-01-05 09:47:37 PM
CSB? Consumer Safety Bulletin? Did I get that right?
 
2014-01-05 10:13:38 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Brakefornobody: Worked for a liability insurer a couple of years ago, and zip-liners were only one of two businesses that were an automatic no-go, and that was pretty much industry standard.  They're very tough to get policies for.

My younger sister had her prom last year and mom and dad were on the post-prom committee. Farkstick parents wanted a mechanical bull and a zipline because both of those are what the kids wanted. This was a Catholic school, and dad had the sense to call the Bishop's office instead of pounding his head against the wall.

For some reason, high school kids and unsupervised physical activities in an environment where the school and diocese is directly liable is a bad thing.


Probably for the best.  It lets them get to the REAL post-prom unsupervised physical activities more quickly.

/That's only partially sarcasm.  While I do think sex is an appropriate post-prom activity, the zipline and mechanical bull sound like they would have been fun pre-sex activities.  Your dad is the farkstick stick in the mud.
 
2014-01-05 11:21:34 PM
Put it this way, anything you have to depend on staying tapped into a tree - you make damned sure it's a hardwood and not rotted. Be it a hammock or a zip line.
 
2014-01-06 12:40:57 AM

The Musky Scent Of Recent Male Completion: here in New Zealand it's common to have these things on playgrounds. There are two within a ten minute drive that are over 100 feet long and start from a platform six or seven feet high. These are fully open to the public 24/7 and oddly nobody has died on them.

Their existence has a lot to do with the fact that you can't sue someone for damages here. If you get hurt, the government pays to stitch you back up again, even if you need to spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair. I just sliced my finger open with a chisel last week and the six stitches and two follow up appointments cost me a total of SEVEN dollars, including a course of antibiotics and a tetanus booster. I hate to think what that would have cost me when I lived in the States, even WITH health insurance.


Well, just to give you an idea:  With no insurance, you'd easily be looking at $1000-$2000 depending on whether you went to the emergency room (most expensive), an immediate case center (less), or your family doctor (least expensive and unlikely anyway).   The bill negotiated by insurance would probably be 400-800 bucks.    How much you'd have to pay out of pocket depends on your insurance plan, especially whether you've already met your deductible for the year.    So, you might pay anywhere from 10% to 100% of that bill (on top of your monthly insurance premiums).    My youngest kid cut her forehead enough to need glue, but not stitches.  We paid $90 out of pocket.    Here's a longer read if you are interested:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/03/health/as-hospital-costs-soar-sing le -stitch-tops-500.html?_r=0
 
2014-01-06 03:39:01 AM
For those of you getting hit with the No Java redirect, here is a 'fix'
When the page starts loading, start pressing escape repeatedly. It may take a few tries, but if you time it right the page will load fine (surprised?) and your escapes will halt the redirect.

fark Java(anything), and fark people(especially Enterprise News)...

-D
 
2014-01-06 09:26:40 AM
I am planning to install a zipline over our backyard sled run.  I think it be fun to watch the kids race each other- one in the air and one on the ground.  I don't plan to use trees to anchor the zipline though.
 
2014-01-06 01:05:14 PM

DarkVader: That's only partially sarcasm. While I do think sex is an appropriate post-prom activity, the zipline and mechanical bull sound like they would have been fun pre-sex activities. Your dad is the farkstick stick in the mud.


I'm not contesting my father being a stick in the mud, but from a pure insurance standpoint, what happens if something stupid happens? Parents say the bull doesn't go higher than 3 out of 10, but a 17 year old whines and begs to get it up to 8 because he swears he can handle it. Or convinces the zipline guy to let him take a running start? Or not all the parents are on the same page and set different standards for "acceptable"? It's a small town with a lot of upper-middle class families, petulancy and money threats are going to happen.
 
2014-01-06 04:57:53 PM
You can test the trees' strength by pulling on the cable.

Where's Ric when we need him?
 
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