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2014-01-05 02:03:24 PM  

doctor wu: I wonder if he'll even stop shielding  from prosecution the child-molesters they've got hiding out at the Vatican?


He has. Not the Pope's fault that the statute of limitations has expired for most of these pervs.
 
2014-01-05 02:03:48 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: on the one hand he has changed the catholic church for the better


When did that happen? He's mostly just been saying things that people want to hear. He converted one mansion to a food shelter, and doesn't live in his pope palace at the Vatican.

He's got a long, long way to go before he starts actually practicing anything Jesus preached.
 
2014-01-05 02:06:49 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: That's the kind of talk that usually gets the guys in the pointy hats a sudden fatal illness. Better add this guy to my death pool.


Yep as much as I like him I am counting the days till he is struck down by a bullet from the grassy knoll.

great reformers typically dont last long.
 
2014-01-05 02:08:03 PM  

kukukupo: I have no problem with this.  It isn't the child's fault they are under the stewardship of their parents.


It's not my fault Catholic God gave me original sin, but he still wants to bust my balls for it.
 
2014-01-05 02:09:28 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: kukukupo: I have no problem with this.  It isn't the child's fault they are under the stewardship of their parents.

It's not my fault Catholic God gave me original sin, but he still wants to bust my balls for it.


You weren't baptized Catholic?
 
2014-01-05 02:09:56 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: But what has he done lately with his pedophile priest committee? Any progress there?

No?




Pope orders Bishops to punish Pedophile Priests

As I've stated before: Pope is making changes... Baby steps.
 
2014-01-05 02:13:12 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

The (American) Catholic League frowns on your shenanigans.
 
2014-01-05 02:13:30 PM  
You know that guy who shows up on the news shortly after a huge corporation causes some sort of major disaster? The one with the shiny grin and easy patter who wants to convince you that they've seen the error of their ways this time, and they're going to clean it all up and absolutely pinky swear that this sort of thing will never happen again?

Yeah, that's Francis.


In the meantime, he's still actively encouraging Catholic bishops to speak out against bills which would allow gay people to adopt children, people like Bernard Law are still living a life of luxury in the Vatican instead of rotting in a prison cell, and the Catholic church remain as committed as ever to denying women the right to autonomy over their own bodies. So i'll stop considering the church to be a corrupt and evil institution when it, you know, actually stops being one.
 
2014-01-05 02:15:34 PM  

kukukupo: I have no problem with this.  It isn't the child's fault they are under the stewardship of their parents.


There are a few religions that believe that we chose our circumstances as a learning experience.
 
2014-01-05 02:16:03 PM  

simplicimus: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: kukukupo: I have no problem with this.  It isn't the child's fault they are under the stewardship of their parents.

It's not my fault Catholic God gave me original sin, but he still wants to bust my balls for it.

You weren't baptized Catholic?


Actually I'm not sure if I was ever baptized. I don't know if that was a thing at the protestant churches my parents went to while I was a kid.
 
2014-01-05 02:16:55 PM  

simplicimus: doctor wu: I wonder if he'll even stop shielding  from prosecution the child-molesters they've got hiding out at the Vatican?

He has. Not the Pope's fault that the statute of limitations has expired for most of these pervs.



Seriously? I didn't know there was such a thing for pedophilia. That's ludicrous. Is it an international thing? Don't we prosecute people for abusing kids twenty years ago?
 
2014-01-05 02:18:08 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: simplicimus: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: kukukupo: I have no problem with this.  It isn't the child's fault they are under the stewardship of their parents.

It's not my fault Catholic God gave me original sin, but he still wants to bust my balls for it.

You weren't baptized Catholic?

Actually I'm not sure if I was ever baptized. I don't know if that was a thing at the protestant churches my parents went to while I was a kid.


I don't think Protestants believe in infant baptism. Probably some do.
 
2014-01-05 02:22:18 PM  

simplicimus: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: simplicimus: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: kukukupo: I have no problem with this.  It isn't the child's fault they are under the stewardship of their parents.

It's not my fault Catholic God gave me original sin, but he still wants to bust my balls for it.

You weren't baptized Catholic?

Actually I'm not sure if I was ever baptized. I don't know if that was a thing at the protestant churches my parents went to while I was a kid.

I don't think Protestants believe in infant baptism. Probably some do.


Most do.
 
2014-01-05 02:23:19 PM  
I do not understand the people in this thread who say Pope Francis is doing nothing.

I want an omelettes for breakfast. I keep going to the grocery store and buying eggs, cheese, an milk. I was under the impression that is a step I need to take before I can make the omelettes.

I get the impression that some of the people in this thread laugh at the fools who shop for groceries. What is the point of putting cheese in the fridge? Cheese is not omelettes!
 
2014-01-05 02:23:54 PM  

doctor wu: simplicimus: doctor wu: I wonder if he'll even stop shielding  from prosecution the child-molesters they've got hiding out at the Vatican?

He has. Not the Pope's fault that the statute of limitations has expired for most of these pervs.


Seriously? I didn't know there was such a thing for pedophilia. That's ludicrous. Is it an international thing? Don't we prosecute people for abusing kids twenty years ago?


Not a lawyer, but I think in the US it's 5 years for criminal charges. No limitation on civil cases, I think. But these things are hard to prosecute, I'd imagine. Not like there are going to be any witnesses, plus victims can be reluctant to press charges.
 
2014-01-05 02:23:54 PM  

Ubiquitous homeless guy: he can't say God was wrong


No, but he can say "As the church has always taught..." before reversing previous dogma and people will be happy to believe the obvious lie. It happens all the time.
 
2014-01-05 02:27:17 PM  

Summoner101: ManateeGag: It's not the children's fault that their parents are filthy heathen sinners.

And even if they're sinners, isn't the goal of Christianity to help them repeat their sins and bring them back in to the fold?


Repent, hopefully.
 
2014-01-05 02:27:43 PM  

pueblonative: And I'm still saying next election cycle we'll have at least two GOTP candidates bring out the Protestant view that the line of the Papacy will bring about the anti-Christ

/surprised they aren't calling them papists already.


I suppose that would be going back to the status quo regarding Catholic & Protestant relations...

/ CSB: had one grandparent who opposed JFK because he was Catholic...
 
2014-01-05 02:29:01 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: I do not understand the people in this thread who say Pope Francis is doing nothing.

I want an omelettes for breakfast. I keep going to the grocery store and buying eggs, cheese, an milk. I was under the impression that is a step I need to take before I can make the omelettes.

I get the impression that some of the people in this thread laugh at the fools who shop for groceries. What is the point of putting cheese in the fridge? Cheese is not omelettes!


If you have a centuries long history of saying "look at these delicious omelettes i've made for you", while never actually providing said omelettes, then it doesn't matter whether you have all the ingredients or not, i'm not going to thank you for the omelettes until I can see them on the plate in front of me.
 
2014-01-05 02:29:43 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: I do not understand the people in this thread who say Pope Francis is doing nothing.

I want an omelettes for breakfast. I keep going to the grocery store and buying eggs, cheese, an milk. I was under the impression that is a step I need to take before I can make the omelettes.

I get the impression that some of the people in this thread laugh at the fools who shop for groceries. What is the point of putting cheese in the fridge? Cheese is not omelettes!


Precisely. Affecting change on such a large, dug-in organization as the Catholic Church (probably THE largest, dug-in organization in existence), takes time, requireing that A be done before B can be attempted, and then C and so on and so forth.
 
2014-01-05 02:29:52 PM  

ManateeGag: It's not the children's fault that their parents are filthy heathen sinners.


Oh, they hate Catholics anyway. But the Catholics are maybe going to be less useful in the next few years...
 
gja
2014-01-05 02:31:04 PM  

Apos: [chirho.me image 850x579]

/Oblig
//They see him Pope-in'....They hatin'.


Weird Al needs to do a take-off on that....
 
2014-01-05 02:34:33 PM  

NFA: pueblonative: And I'm still saying next election cycle we'll have at least two GOTP candidates bring out the Protestant view that the line of the Papacy will bring about the anti-Christ

/surprised they aren't calling them papists already.

This was discussed before Francis was even selected.  I'm not joking..

"Is Pope Francis the final pope?
That is too early to tell for sure.  But if he is, he will be an antipope and the final Antichrist."


Fingers crossed
 
2014-01-05 02:34:46 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Plant Rights Activist: on the one hand he has changed the catholic church for the better on the other hand I'm not really sure it's a good thing that the church stay relevant.  It'd almost be better if they stayed as blatantly corrupt as they were.

[citation needed]


I like how you apparently didn't need a citation to biatch about the bishop who was excommunicated.
And then kind of ignored it when someone pointed out the *other* reasons that bishop you were biatching about was excommunicated.

Perhaps the pope needs to show us his long form birth certificate.
 
2014-01-05 02:47:51 PM  
It's always sad to me when I see a single mother/father come into church week after week and have to send their children to receive communion while they sit in the pew.  It may not be the single parents fault their spouse divorced them.  I don't think the church will/can go back on that one though.

Meh to the gay couples.  The church prescribes the same abstinence for gays that it does for straight people who aren't in a marriage endorsed by the church.

As far as the kids are concerned, the church has always(or at least for all of my lifetime) supported them no matter what state of sin their parents are in.
 
2014-01-05 02:55:57 PM  
um... "His Trolliness"?
 
2014-01-05 02:57:37 PM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: It may not be the single parents fault their spouse divorced them.  I don't think the church will/can go back on that one though.


Currently, the only out of that for the single parent is annulment, which is rather costly. The Church can make that process easier and faster.
 
2014-01-05 03:05:00 PM  
 Frankie boy is throwing everything he can out there to broaden the appeal of the church and seeing what sticks to then focus on.
The only thing that the church has ever been concerned with is Money and power and the decrease in the both is what is driving the church now. They see the handwriting on the wall about their fade into irrelevance
which is happening el rapido.


Where is your Dog now ?
 
2014-01-05 03:09:40 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Benevolent Misanthrope: DeltaPunch: F*ck me, at this rate the Church might end up being tolerant of nearly everyone!

Ummm.... no.  Still excommunicating priests who encourage women to be ordained, still saying "HELL no" do acceptane of gay marriage, still saying pedophile priests who go to confession and therapy are okay to still be moved around...

Not accepting.  Just nicer about it.

You are looking at this as an outsider. What seems to be little shifts to you is seismic for the Catholic Church. This man is a continent mover!

As a former Catholic, I can tell you that Confession only works if you are sincere and actually change. You are to be forgiven, as Jesus said, even being a child molester.

Before, it would just ignore the kid and move the priest. The fact is if the pope gets the guy therapy and moves them away from kids is a significant improvement.

Now if only the other religions, such as Hasidic, Orthodox Jews and evangelicals would take the same responsibility.


Actually, BM spent some time in a convent. I think she has a better handle on RCC policy than most people.

Pope Francis is a mobster with a PR firm.  He's still running the mob, and the mob is still evil, but he kisses babies so everything is good.
 
2014-01-05 03:11:49 PM  

Felgraf: Benevolent Misanthrope: Plant Rights Activist: on the one hand he has changed the catholic church for the better on the other hand I'm not really sure it's a good thing that the church stay relevant.  It'd almost be better if they stayed as blatantly corrupt as they were.

[citation needed]

I like how you apparently didn't need a citation to biatch about the bishop who was excommunicated.
And then kind of ignored it when someone pointed out the *other* reasons that bishop you were biatching about was excommunicated.

Perhaps the pope needs to show us his long form birth certificate.


Transcripts, too.
 
2014-01-05 03:21:12 PM  

 DeltaPunch: F*ck me, at this rate the Church might end up being tolerant of nearly everyone!

Ummm.... no.  Still excommunicating priests who encourage women to be ordained, still saying "HELL no" do acceptane of gay marriage, still saying pedophile priests who go to confession and therapy are okay to still be moved around...

Not accepting.  Just nicer about it.


You are looking at this as an outsider. What seems to be little shifts to you is seismic for the Catholic Church. This man is a continent mover!

As a former Catholic, I can tell you that Confession only works if you are sincere and actually change. You are to be forgiven, as Jesus said, even being a child molester.

Before, it would just ignore the kid and move the priest. The fact is if the pope gets the guy therapy and moves them away from kids is a significant improvement.

Now if only the other religions, such as Hasidic, Orthodox Jews and evangelicals would take the same responsibility.


^^^^^^Right Here^^^^^^

The Catholic church can and I think has moved on the handling of pedophile priests.  As far as ordination of women and recognition of gay marriage, it is completely impossible for the church to reverse those positions if you know how it's structured and how those positions originated.

What gets me is how/why people get upset about this type of stuff.  If you don't like their positions on gay marriage, ordination of women, etc. you have 2 choices:

1.Blindly accept that those positions are right, even if you don't logically agree with them(as I do on abortion), which is completely acceptable in the eyes of the church.

2.Don't be a part of the church, and more importantly don't complain about it.  The church says what they are.  If thats not you, and you aren't willing to set aside those beliefs to be in commune with the Vatican, then it obviously wasn't that important to you and you simply aren't a Catholic, and shouldn't want to be a Catholic.  No harm, no foul.  Move on.
 
2014-01-05 03:31:52 PM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: 2.Don't be a part of the church, and more importantly don't complain about it.  The church says what they are.  If thats not you, and you aren't willing to set aside those beliefs to be in commune with the Vatican, then it obviously wasn't that important to you and you simply aren't a Catholic, and shouldn't want to be a Catholic.  No harm, no foul.  Move on.


Yep. Catholicism isn't a cult. The dogma is readily available, and you can walk into a church no matter what you believe. Or walk out.
 
2014-01-05 03:42:24 PM  
I'm not Catholic but I'm digging this Pope. It's like all the church talk is also supposed to happen outside the church in the real world or something.
 
2014-01-05 03:46:54 PM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: 2.Don't be a part of the church, and more importantly don't complain about it. The church says what they are. If thats not you, and you aren't willing to set aside those beliefs to be in commune with the Vatican, then it obviously wasn't that important to you and you simply aren't a Catholic, and shouldn't want to be a Catholic. No harm, no foul. Move on.


This is a bullshiat argument, and will remain a bullshiat argument until the Catholic church decide that their repressive and backwards opinions about gay people and women should only apply to members of the Catholic church.

When they stop trying to get them written into law in various countries, then you'll have a point.
 
2014-01-05 03:52:26 PM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: This is a bullshiat argument, and will remain a bullshiat argument until the Catholic church decide that their repressive and backwards opinions about gay people and women should only apply to members of the Catholic church.

When they stop trying to get them written into law in various countries, then you'll have a point.


As a Catholic, I agree with you. There's no mention of writing laws in the NT (of course, that wasn't possible under the Roman Empire) and it contradicts the Church doctrine of Free Will (you have to choose not to sin, not be denied the opportunity).
 
2014-01-05 04:01:29 PM  

Notabunny: fta "We must be careful not to administer a vaccine against faith to them," the 77-year-old added.

That would be a welcome change in policy.


Oh great, now the Pope has joined the anti-vaxxer crowd.
 
2014-01-05 04:02:24 PM  

WippitGuud: Benevolent Misanthrope: DeltaPunch: F*ck me, at this rate the Church might end up being tolerant of nearly everyone!

Ummm.... no.  Still excommunicating priests who encourage women to be ordained, still saying "HELL no" do acceptane of gay marriage, still saying pedophile priests who go to confession and therapy are okay to still be moved around...

Not accepting.  Just nicer about it.

[www.thatsnotdelicious.com image 300x246]

What happens if he does all this other stuff you're asking for? People already think he's going to be assassinated fpr what he has done so far, trying to take on the rest of your church isn't exactly a cakewalk.



"Not soon enough", "It still happened", "Yeah, smoke and mirrors", "Skybully worship is still skybully worship", "This other thing didn't change", etc.
 
2014-01-05 04:03:51 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: kukukupo: I have no problem with this.  It isn't the child's fault they are under the stewardship of their parents.

It's not my fault Catholic God gave me original sin, but he still wants to bust my balls for it.


Yeah, yeah, your wife talked you into it, and she says some snake talked her into it first.  We've heard that one before.

Man up, Nancy, and accept your need for salvation like the rest of us.
 
2014-01-05 04:08:01 PM  

MrBallou: You know how I can tell he's a good Pope? My nominally-Catholic, FoxNews-quoting, GOP-voting, Idiot Brother-In-Law hates him.


An old friend of mine, good guy but not the brightest bulb in the box, ravenous consumer of Faux News, surprised me not one bit by spewing hate and vitriol when I dropped the name of Francis in conversation.

By their fruits shall ye know them.  Francis attracting rage for following the lessons of Christ tells me he's probably on the right page.

I mean, I'm no Christian, but it is frankly amazing to see the degree to which people who are nominally of the faith are utterly enraged by a pope who appears to be trying to follow the message of the new testament.
 
2014-01-05 04:10:01 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: I do not understand the people in this thread who say Pope Francis is doing nothing.

I want an omelettes for breakfast. I keep going to the grocery store and buying eggs, cheese, an milk. I was under the impression that is a step I need to take before I can make the omelettes.

I get the impression that some of the people in this thread laugh at the fools who shop for groceries. What is the point of putting cheese in the fridge? Cheese is not omelettes!


Eggs come from unfertilized chicken embryos, and the milk from cows could be used to feed the poor and hungry.

And I don't see the farmer doing anything about it.

Until these things change, we're not going to get omelettes
 
2014-01-05 04:12:56 PM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: 2.Don't be a part of the church, and more importantly don't complain about it. The church says what they are. If thats not you, and you aren't willing to set aside those beliefs to be in commune with the Vatican, then it obviously wasn't that important to you and you simply aren't a Catholic, and shouldn't want to be a Catholic. No harm, no foul. Move on.

This is a bullshiat argument, and will remain a bullshiat argument until the Catholic church decide that their repressive and backwards opinions about gay people and women should only apply to members of the Catholic church.

When they stop trying to get them written into law in various countries, then you'll have a point.


Thats a fine argument.  It's not up to a group to remain silent about its beliefs in the public square.  It's up to the public square to reject those beliefs if thats not what they feel is best for their people.

The opinions of the Catholic church only apply to the church itself, until the nation in question decides they want to make them their own.  I'm sure there are plenty of nations/states etc. that will make different decisions in regards to these issues.  Good for them.  It's not going to change what the church and its believers do.
 
2014-01-05 04:13:32 PM  

EdBear: MrBallou: You know how I can tell he's a good Pope? My nominally-Catholic, FoxNews-quoting, GOP-voting, Idiot Brother-In-Law hates him.

An old friend of mine, good guy but not the brightest bulb in the box, ravenous consumer of Faux News, surprised me not one bit by spewing hate and vitriol when I dropped the name of Francis in conversation.

By their fruits shall ye know them.  Francis attracting rage for following the lessons of Christ tells me he's probably on the right page.

I mean, I'm no Christian, but it is frankly amazing to see the degree to which people who are nominally of the faith are utterly enraged by a pope who appears to be trying to follow the message of the new testament.


Mostly following the Gospels. I expect to start hearing Whore of Babylon references pretty soon.
 
2014-01-05 04:28:21 PM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: It's always sad to me when I see a single mother/father come into church week after week and have to send their children to receive communion while they sit in the pew.  It may not be the single parents fault their spouse divorced them.  I don't think the church will/can go back on that one though.

Meh to the gay couples.  The church prescribes the same abstinence for gays that it does for straight people who aren't in a marriage endorsed by the church.

As far as the kids are concerned, the church has always(or at least for all of my lifetime) supported them no matter what state of sin their parents are in.


I work in a catholic school, and just like with the rest of the country, I would say half the students have divorced parents. No one in my school is turned away from receiving communion. Perhaps it depends on the particular parish? I know one teacher I work with was denied family health insurance at her previous school. It is thought because she had her kids out of wedlock. When she came to our school (after the other one closed surprise surprise) she had no issues getting insurance for her kids (quite frankly, I can't believe being denied the insurance was legal.)

My school also recently had a gay teacher and one of the more active Eucharistic ministers is gay. Both he and his partner are very active in the various sermons and parish events.

I have a feeling; however, that the pastor isn't aware or refuses to acknowledge his orientation. Just like he doesn't know or acknowledge his many other sinful teachers who could be fired for violating their morality clauses because they are divorced, on birth control, or living in sin with a partner.

Got off track. My school seems to be very accepting of those who are divorced. I imagine it is for the samereason Francis says, though. Gotta get the asses in the seats or else it will close, and you can't do that by ostracizing half the population.
 
2014-01-05 04:30:30 PM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: Thats a fine argument. It's not up to a group to remain silent about its beliefs in the public square. It's up to the public square to reject those beliefs if thats not what they feel is best for their people.


No, it's a bullshiat argument.

In the comment that I replied to first, you were quite clear about the fact that, if someone doesn't like the position of the Church, their two choices are to suck it up, or leave the Church and stop complaining. Now you appear to be arguing that while the Church has the right to try and persuade society to accept its rules, other people in society should just shut up and stop complaining?

Yeah. fark that shiat.
 
2014-01-05 04:36:45 PM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: It's always sad to me when I see a single mother/father come into church week after week and have to send their children to receive communion while they sit in the pew.


My divorced Catholic mother received the sacraments regularly until she married my stepfather, then she couldn't. It's not divorce that keeps a Catholic from eligibility for sacraments. It's remarriage.
 
2014-01-05 04:40:22 PM  

pueblonative: And I'm still saying next election cycle we'll have at least two GOTP candidates bring out the Protestant view that the line of the Papacy will bring about the anti-Christ

/surprised they aren't calling them papists already.


I thought this was something these clowns were _supposed_ to want to happen ASAP.
 
2014-01-05 04:41:57 PM  

Lsherm: Benevolent Misanthrope: But he's still excommunicated a priest for encouraging women's ordination,

That priest didn't just encourage women's ordination, he resigned and  started his own church that ordained women, married gay couples, presided over a mass in his new church where a parishioner gave communion to a dog, and in general fulfilled just about every single thing you could possibly do to get excommunicated.

You are not allowed to start your own church and still be a Roman Catholic priest.  It's one of the big no-no's.  The only people pretending to be shocked that he was booted are Protestants.


Yeah that strikes me as heresy at best or schism at worst.

/Crusader Kings 2, man
 
2014-01-05 04:44:34 PM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: Thats a fine argument. It's not up to a group to remain silent about its beliefs in the public square. It's up to the public square to reject those beliefs if thats not what they feel is best for their people.

No, it's a bullshiat argument.

In the comment that I replied to first, you were quite clear about the fact that, if someone doesn't like the position of the Church, their two choices are to suck it up, or leave the Church and stop complaining. Now you appear to be arguing that while the Church has the right to try and persuade society to accept its rules, other people in society should just shut up and stop complaining?

Yeah. fark that shiat.


To be clear, just because you don't agree, doesn't make it a "bullshiat argument".

I'm perfectly fine with your statement here.  In context of church membership, either follow the rules or don't be a member and don't complain.  In context of community activism, the Church, just like me and you and every other group out there has every right to campaign for what it believes to be right.  If you disagree, you can campaign for a different position, but there's no need to complain about and fight the institution itself; just argue your point on the issues you feel strongly about.

For example, the Catholic church doesn't support gay marriage.  It doesn't go around yelling "Deport San Francisco!!!"

See how that works?  You'll be a lot less angry if you do.
 
2014-01-05 04:46:08 PM  
It's nice that the pope is reiterating the doctrine to not punish a child for their parent's sins. The Christian schools that kick out kids for having gay parents, etc. need a refresher on that teaching of Jesus. The pope is saying that the catholic church needs to remember that except for Original Sin, a child does not bear the sin of their parents.
 
2014-01-05 04:51:59 PM  
He really is making it harder for:

1). Conservative Christians who really like to cling to their bigotry (and)
2). The anti-religious folks who really like to cling to their bigotry

I'd say he's doing something very, very right.
 
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