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2014-01-05 09:35:18 AM
Jesus:  "Finally, someone actually gets it!"
 
2014-01-05 09:40:32 AM
And I'm still saying next election cycle we'll have at least two GOTP candidates bring out the Protestant view that the line of the Papacy will bring about the anti-Christ

/surprised they aren't calling them papists already.
 
2014-01-05 09:43:16 AM
Religious conservatives are really starting to hate this guy.
 
2014-01-05 09:48:43 AM
It's not the children's fault that their parents are filthy heathen sinners.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2014-01-05 10:49:27 AM

pueblonative: And I'm still saying next election cycle we'll have at least two GOTP candidates bring out the Protestant view that the line of the Papacy will bring about the anti-Christ

/surprised they aren't calling them papists already.


This was discussed before Francis was even selected.  I'm not joking..

"Is Pope Francis the final pope?
That is too early to tell for sure.  But if he is, he will be an antipope and the final Antichrist."
 
2014-01-05 11:00:44 AM
If this offends their traditionalists, their traditions are farking stupid.
 
2014-01-05 11:03:45 AM

ManateeGag: It's not the children's fault that their parents are filthy heathen sinners.


Funny thing is, that line would work very well with religious conservatives.  They'd feel oh so sorry for the children, and be totally for any efforts to help them succeed in life.

Swap "filthy heathen sinners" for "undocumented immigrant", however, and they'll trip over themselves trying to throw the kids under the church bus.
 
2014-01-05 11:09:55 AM

NFA: pueblonative: And I'm still saying next election cycle we'll have at least two GOTP candidates bring out the Protestant view that the line of the Papacy will bring about the anti-Christ

/surprised they aren't calling them papists already.

This was discussed before Francis was even selected.  I'm not joking..

"Is Pope Francis the final pope?
That is too early to tell for sure.  But if he is, he will be an antipope and the final Antichrist."


I know, I just can't wait for Rick Perry to trot it out during a debate.  Double lulz if Santorum ends up on the ticket with him.
 
2014-01-05 11:48:20 AM
You know how I can tell he's a good Pope? My nominally-Catholic, FoxNews-quoting, GOP-voting, Idiot Brother-In-Law hates him.
 
2014-01-05 12:02:34 PM
I find it interesting that he has shifted his message a bit and allowed us to hear the kinds of things that are usually reserved for the closed portions of conferences.  Usually, he would say, "Spiritual needs vary from person to person.  We have to respect them and accept them into a loving Church, no matter what their background."  Instead, he said, "We're losing market share - we have to figure out a way to keep them in the pews.  Let's be careful not to advertise in a way that shoots us in the foot."

Interesting.  It's hard to keep it up, the politically correct speech.  He hasn't expressed a different stance, generally - he's just said things in a nicer way.  But he's still excommunicated a priest for encouraging women's ordination, said "no way" to acceptance of gay marriage, and continued the line that pedophile priests who confess their sin and repent are not necessarily "corrupt" and should be forgiven and let loose again.

So, yeah.  Nice guy, and he's certainly a breath of fresh air, but not seeing anything new here.
 
2014-01-05 12:18:28 PM
F*ck me, at this rate the Church might end up being tolerant of nearly everyone!
 
2014-01-05 12:31:07 PM
Good.
 
2014-01-05 12:45:37 PM

DeltaPunch: F*ck me, at this rate the Church might end up being tolerant of nearly everyone!


Ummm.... no.  Still excommunicating priests who encourage women to be ordained, still saying "HELL no" do acceptane of gay marriage, still saying pedophile priests who go to confession and therapy are okay to still be moved around...

Not accepting.  Just nicer about it.
 
2014-01-05 12:52:02 PM
fta "We must be careful not to administer a vaccine against faith to them," the 77-year-old added.

That would be a welcome change in policy.
 
2014-01-05 01:06:07 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: But he's still excommunicated a priest for encouraging women's ordination,


That priest didn't just encourage women's ordination, he resigned and  started his own church that ordained women, married gay couples, presided over a mass in his new church where a parishioner gave communion to a dog, and in general fulfilled just about every single thing you could possibly do to get excommunicated.

You are not allowed to start your own church and still be a Roman Catholic priest.  It's one of the big no-no's.  The only people pretending to be shocked that he was booted are Protestants.
 
2014-01-05 01:21:14 PM

Lsherm: You are not allowed to start your own church and still be a Roman Catholic priest.  It's one of the big no-no's.  The only people pretending to be shocked that he was booted are Protestants


You mean heathens.
 
2014-01-05 01:24:04 PM

chirho.me



/Oblig
//They see him Pope-in'....They hatin'.
 
2014-01-05 01:26:00 PM
Wait, divorced kids need to excommunicated? When did that start?
 
2014-01-05 01:26:12 PM
That's the kind of talk that usually gets the guys in the pointy hats a sudden fatal illness. Better add this guy to my death pool.
 
2014-01-05 01:28:15 PM

NFA: pueblonative: And I'm still saying next election cycle we'll have at least two GOTP candidates bring out the Protestant view that the line of the Papacy will bring about the anti-Christ

/surprised they aren't calling them papists already.

This was discussed before Francis was even selected.  I'm not joking..

"Is Pope Francis the final pope?
That is too early to tell for sure.  But if he is, he will be an antipope and the final Antichrist."


The derp is strong in this one.
 
2014-01-05 01:28:46 PM
Popey McAwesomepope strikes again.
 
2014-01-05 01:31:52 PM
on the one hand he has changed the catholic church for the better on the other hand I'm not really sure it's a good thing that the church stay relevant.  It'd almost be better if they stayed as blatantly corrupt as they were.
 
2014-01-05 01:34:22 PM
Curious to see if a Franciscan gets a serious shot in the next presidential primaries. I better order did popcorn in bulk just incase.
 
2014-01-05 01:38:30 PM
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2014-01-05 01:38:34 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: DeltaPunch: F*ck me, at this rate the Church might end up being tolerant of nearly everyone!

Ummm.... no.  Still excommunicating priests who encourage women to be ordained, still saying "HELL no" do acceptane of gay marriage, still saying pedophile priests who go to confession and therapy are okay to still be moved around...

Not accepting.  Just nicer about it.




You are looking at this as an outsider. What seems to be little shifts to you is seismic for the Catholic Church. This man is a continent mover!

As a former Catholic, I can tell you that Confession only works if you are sincere and actually change. You are to be forgiven, as Jesus said, even being a child molester.

Before, it would just ignore the kid and move the priest. The fact is if the pope gets the guy therapy and moves them away from kids is a significant improvement.

Now if only the other religions, such as Hasidic, Orthodox Jews and evangelicals would take the same responsibility.
 
2014-01-05 01:38:36 PM

Plant Rights Activist: on the one hand he has changed the catholic church for the better on the other hand I'm not really sure it's a good thing that the church stay relevant.  It'd almost be better if they stayed as blatantly corrupt as they were.


[citation needed]
 
2014-01-05 01:40:12 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: I find it interesting that he has shifted his message a bit and allowed us to hear the kinds of things that are usually reserved for the closed portions of conferences.  Usually, he would say, "Spiritual needs vary from person to person.  We have to respect them and accept them into a loving Church, no matter what their background."  Instead, he said, "We're losing market share - we have to figure out a way to keep them in the pews.  Let's be careful not to advertise in a way that shoots us in the foot."

Interesting.  It's hard to keep it up, the politically correct speech.  He hasn't expressed a different stance, generally - he's just said things in a nicer way.  But he's still excommunicated a priest for encouraging women's ordination, said "no way" to acceptance of gay marriage, and continued the line that pedophile priests who confess their sin and repent are not necessarily "corrupt" and should be forgiven and let loose again.

So, yeah.  Nice guy, and he's certainly a breath of fresh air, but not seeing anything new here.


^^^^All of that^^^^
 
2014-01-05 01:40:35 PM
he's Popin'  hard and I love him.
 
2014-01-05 01:40:55 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: DeltaPunch: F*ck me, at this rate the Church might end up being tolerant of nearly everyone!

Ummm.... no.  Still excommunicating priests who encourage women to be ordained, still saying "HELL no" do acceptane of gay marriage, still saying pedophile priests who go to confession and therapy are okay to still be moved around...

Not accepting.  Just nicer about it.


www.thatsnotdelicious.com

What happens if he does all this other stuff you're asking for? People already think he's going to be assassinated fpr what he has done so far, trying to take on the rest of your church isn't exactly a cakewalk.
 
2014-01-05 01:44:02 PM

ManateeGag: It's not the children's fault that their parents are filthy heathen sinners.


And even if they're sinners, isn't the goal of Christianity to help them repeat their sins and bring them back in to the fold?
 
2014-01-05 01:44:10 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Plant Rights Activist: on the one hand he has changed the catholic church for the better on the other hand I'm not really sure it's a good thing that the church stay relevant.  It'd almost be better if they stayed as blatantly corrupt as they were.

[citation needed]


At least he changed the public image for the better.  Not sure if it's for real but I don't think that really matters for most people.
 
2014-01-05 01:45:38 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: DeltaPunch:

Ummm.... no.  Still excommunicating priests who encourage women to be ordained, still saying "HELL no" do acceptane of gay marriage, still saying pedophile priests who go to confession and therapy are okay to still be moved around...

Not accepting.  Just nicer about it.


Exactly this.

People are tripping all over themselves about how awesome the new era of the Catholic Church is, but none one single official dogma/policy has been changed by this guy, nor can it be since ALL the Popes speak for God, he can't say God was wrong.

He's the ultimate PR machine, and maybe he really is a good guy, but he's actually changed nothing about what the Church believes, preaches or practices.

When he does that, THEN people should be excited, until then he's just a politician kissing babies and making speeches.

He still doesn't believe these children are legitimate, or from legitimate marriages, nor does his organization.
 
2014-01-05 01:46:28 PM
Said it before and bears repeating, this is yet another one of those strange intersections where Fark poster are pretty much exactly on point in agreement with FreeRepublic posters. They don't not view the Church with suspicion and distrust, like Fark does, but they do wholeheartedly recognize the genuine spirit of Francis' actions to live by Jesus's own words and lead by example, and they approve. They even reject the right-wing loonytunes spin on Francis (the 'he's a maaaaaaarxist' line among others).

the Francis threads on Freep are far better informed, theologically, I have to say tho. Lot of practicing, engaged Catholics on the site.
 
2014-01-05 01:47:28 PM
I consider myself a recovering catholic.  And this guy actually is making me start liking the church again.
 
2014-01-05 01:48:07 PM
Wake up sheeple! Do your own research. This is just his plan to get more vulnerable children to church because they're easier to molest.
 
2014-01-05 01:49:18 PM

Ubiquitous homeless guy: Exactly this.

People are tripping all over themselves about how awesome the new era of the Catholic Church is, but none one single official dogma/policy has been changed by this guy, nor can it be since ALL the Popes speak for God, he can't say God was wrong.

He's the ultimate PR machine, and maybe he really is a good guy, but he's actually changed nothing about what the Church believes, preaches or practices.

When he does that, THEN people should be excited, until then he's just a politician kissing babies and making speeches.

He still doesn't believe these children are legitimate, or from legitimate marriages, nor does his organization


Wrong.

The only time the Pope speaks "for God" is when he is speaking ex cathdra, from the chair.  This is only used in matters of doctrine which have nothing to do with most social issues.
 
2014-01-05 01:50:43 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Plant Rights Activist: on the one hand he has changed the catholic church for the better on the other hand I'm not really sure it's a good thing that the church stay relevant.  It'd almost be better if they stayed as blatantly corrupt as they were.

[citation needed]


Considering the Pope is selected from a pool of celibate Latin-speaking geriatric men, I would consider his accomplishments pretty substantial.
 
2014-01-05 01:50:43 PM

NFA: pueblonative: And I'm still saying next election cycle we'll have at least two GOTP candidates bring out the Protestant view that the line of the Papacy will bring about the anti-Christ

/surprised they aren't calling them papists already.

This was discussed before Francis was even selected.  I'm not joking..

"Is Pope Francis the final pope?
That is too early to tell for sure.  But if he is, he will be an antipope and the final Antichrist."


But I'm sure I already heard more than one Republitard  swearthat Obama is already the Antichrist. Or can there be multiple Antichrists, as implied when you refer to the "final" one above?
 
2014-01-05 01:52:16 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Plant Rights Activist: on the one hand he has changed the catholic church for the better on the other hand I'm not really sure it's a good thing that the church stay relevant.  It'd almost be better if they stayed as blatantly corrupt as they were.

[citation needed]


C'mon, you've seen the citations in previous threads. Cleaning up the Vatican Bank, handing all pedophile reports to local authorities, admonishing extravagant Bishops, etc.
 
2014-01-05 01:52:29 PM
WippitGuud:
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What happens if he does all this other stuff you're asking for? People already think he's going to be assassinated fpr what he has done so far, trying to take on the rest of your church isn't exactly a cakewalk.


Thank you, well put.

Francisi is head of the Catholic Church, not the Unitarian Universalists.. Give him credit when he makes steps in the right direction.
 
2014-01-05 01:52:46 PM
Holy carp! He's calling a synod next year! Hell, it could turn into a council. It's really happening; he's actually going to change ALL of the things....
 
2014-01-05 01:52:47 PM
As an atheist, I find this Pope to be inspiring. Like a boss, indeed.
 
2014-01-05 01:53:38 PM
Christ Almighty...all Frankie needs to do is make it Church policy that gay people aren't necessarily sinners and heathens, and I might actually start going back to mass.

/Born and raised Catholic
//Stopped going to mass just before I came out
 
2014-01-05 01:54:10 PM
But what has he done lately with his pedophile priest committee? Any progress there?

No?
 
2014-01-05 01:55:09 PM

zulius: Wait, divorced kids need to excommunicated? When did that start?


Never.
 
2014-01-05 01:57:15 PM

maram500: Christ Almighty...all Frankie needs to do is make it Church policy that gay people aren't necessarily sinners and heathens, and I might actually start going back to mass.

/Born and raised Catholic
//Stopped going to mass just before I came out


Well, gay people who don't have sex aren't sinners. Not that that's much help.
 
2014-01-05 01:57:29 PM
How dare he not condemn the innocent victims of there parents ass-hatery.
 
2014-01-05 01:58:35 PM
If you throw away perfectly good children of divorce and gay marriage, where are you going to get new child labour to staff all of those church laundries and choirs?

There simply isn't enough abandonment of bastard children any more to meet demand.

The Church needs to embrace its unholy devil spawn.

You see, as a atheist, I see that this new pope is a Good Catholic. He is not saying anything radical. He is charitable and kindly but he is toeing the age old Party Line more than you might think.

But as a Good Catholic, he may very well prove to be a Bad Person. The road to Hell is broad and easy and paved with asphalt according to John Milton's Paradise Lost, but with good intentions according to most less liberal and less Puritanical Protestant authorities.

Yes, the Pope is opening hearts and arms to the vulnerable, the marginal and the poor, but that doesn't mean that the Church is pure and chaste and has succeeded in expelling the conservatives, who are a bunch of Pharisees and Sadducees and Zealots.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. If I were a Roman Catholic, I'd be a farking Gallican Catholic or possibly even a Liberal Anglo-Catholic.

In my experience, changing your religion doesn't actually change you (much). I am the same kind of atheist as I would be a liberal Protestant or a Roman Catholic or a Buddhist. Evolution and heredity have a lot more power than dogma and theology.

The Pope is an Italian-Argentine. It shows. He's charitable but conservative, liberal but communitarian. His heritage is Italian and Spanish and Conservative and Liberation Theology all at once. He's a classic Social Democratic Christian.

This confuses people because he can sound like he is saying something new and radical when compared to the German Conservative and the Polish Conservative before him. But the leopard does not change its spots, and the Church moves at glacial speed, although Church lawyers are pretty swift to move in and blame the victims, as any great corporate enterprise must be.
 
2014-01-05 01:59:02 PM
I have no problem with this.  It isn't the child's fault they are under the stewardship of their parents.
 
2014-01-05 02:00:01 PM
I wonder what's going on in the catholic church. There's no way all those medieval-minded, pedophile-enabling old f*ckers can be good with what the new boss is selling. Hard to preach fear and guilt and eternal damnation with this guy spreading love all over the place.  I wonder if he'll even stop shielding  from prosecution the child-molesters they've got hiding out at the Vatican?
 
2014-01-05 02:03:24 PM

doctor wu: I wonder if he'll even stop shielding  from prosecution the child-molesters they've got hiding out at the Vatican?


He has. Not the Pope's fault that the statute of limitations has expired for most of these pervs.
 
2014-01-05 02:03:48 PM

Plant Rights Activist: on the one hand he has changed the catholic church for the better


When did that happen? He's mostly just been saying things that people want to hear. He converted one mansion to a food shelter, and doesn't live in his pope palace at the Vatican.

He's got a long, long way to go before he starts actually practicing anything Jesus preached.
 
2014-01-05 02:06:49 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: That's the kind of talk that usually gets the guys in the pointy hats a sudden fatal illness. Better add this guy to my death pool.


Yep as much as I like him I am counting the days till he is struck down by a bullet from the grassy knoll.

great reformers typically dont last long.
 
2014-01-05 02:08:03 PM

kukukupo: I have no problem with this.  It isn't the child's fault they are under the stewardship of their parents.


It's not my fault Catholic God gave me original sin, but he still wants to bust my balls for it.
 
2014-01-05 02:09:28 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: kukukupo: I have no problem with this.  It isn't the child's fault they are under the stewardship of their parents.

It's not my fault Catholic God gave me original sin, but he still wants to bust my balls for it.


You weren't baptized Catholic?
 
2014-01-05 02:09:56 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: But what has he done lately with his pedophile priest committee? Any progress there?

No?




Pope orders Bishops to punish Pedophile Priests

As I've stated before: Pope is making changes... Baby steps.
 
2014-01-05 02:13:12 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

The (American) Catholic League frowns on your shenanigans.
 
2014-01-05 02:13:30 PM
You know that guy who shows up on the news shortly after a huge corporation causes some sort of major disaster? The one with the shiny grin and easy patter who wants to convince you that they've seen the error of their ways this time, and they're going to clean it all up and absolutely pinky swear that this sort of thing will never happen again?

Yeah, that's Francis.


In the meantime, he's still actively encouraging Catholic bishops to speak out against bills which would allow gay people to adopt children, people like Bernard Law are still living a life of luxury in the Vatican instead of rotting in a prison cell, and the Catholic church remain as committed as ever to denying women the right to autonomy over their own bodies. So i'll stop considering the church to be a corrupt and evil institution when it, you know, actually stops being one.
 
2014-01-05 02:15:34 PM

kukukupo: I have no problem with this.  It isn't the child's fault they are under the stewardship of their parents.


There are a few religions that believe that we chose our circumstances as a learning experience.
 
2014-01-05 02:16:03 PM

simplicimus: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: kukukupo: I have no problem with this.  It isn't the child's fault they are under the stewardship of their parents.

It's not my fault Catholic God gave me original sin, but he still wants to bust my balls for it.

You weren't baptized Catholic?


Actually I'm not sure if I was ever baptized. I don't know if that was a thing at the protestant churches my parents went to while I was a kid.
 
2014-01-05 02:16:55 PM

simplicimus: doctor wu: I wonder if he'll even stop shielding  from prosecution the child-molesters they've got hiding out at the Vatican?

He has. Not the Pope's fault that the statute of limitations has expired for most of these pervs.



Seriously? I didn't know there was such a thing for pedophilia. That's ludicrous. Is it an international thing? Don't we prosecute people for abusing kids twenty years ago?
 
2014-01-05 02:18:08 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: simplicimus: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: kukukupo: I have no problem with this.  It isn't the child's fault they are under the stewardship of their parents.

It's not my fault Catholic God gave me original sin, but he still wants to bust my balls for it.

You weren't baptized Catholic?

Actually I'm not sure if I was ever baptized. I don't know if that was a thing at the protestant churches my parents went to while I was a kid.


I don't think Protestants believe in infant baptism. Probably some do.
 
2014-01-05 02:22:18 PM

simplicimus: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: simplicimus: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: kukukupo: I have no problem with this.  It isn't the child's fault they are under the stewardship of their parents.

It's not my fault Catholic God gave me original sin, but he still wants to bust my balls for it.

You weren't baptized Catholic?

Actually I'm not sure if I was ever baptized. I don't know if that was a thing at the protestant churches my parents went to while I was a kid.

I don't think Protestants believe in infant baptism. Probably some do.


Most do.
 
2014-01-05 02:23:19 PM
I do not understand the people in this thread who say Pope Francis is doing nothing.

I want an omelettes for breakfast. I keep going to the grocery store and buying eggs, cheese, an milk. I was under the impression that is a step I need to take before I can make the omelettes.

I get the impression that some of the people in this thread laugh at the fools who shop for groceries. What is the point of putting cheese in the fridge? Cheese is not omelettes!
 
2014-01-05 02:23:54 PM

doctor wu: simplicimus: doctor wu: I wonder if he'll even stop shielding  from prosecution the child-molesters they've got hiding out at the Vatican?

He has. Not the Pope's fault that the statute of limitations has expired for most of these pervs.


Seriously? I didn't know there was such a thing for pedophilia. That's ludicrous. Is it an international thing? Don't we prosecute people for abusing kids twenty years ago?


Not a lawyer, but I think in the US it's 5 years for criminal charges. No limitation on civil cases, I think. But these things are hard to prosecute, I'd imagine. Not like there are going to be any witnesses, plus victims can be reluctant to press charges.
 
2014-01-05 02:23:54 PM

Ubiquitous homeless guy: he can't say God was wrong


No, but he can say "As the church has always taught..." before reversing previous dogma and people will be happy to believe the obvious lie. It happens all the time.
 
2014-01-05 02:27:17 PM

Summoner101: ManateeGag: It's not the children's fault that their parents are filthy heathen sinners.

And even if they're sinners, isn't the goal of Christianity to help them repeat their sins and bring them back in to the fold?


Repent, hopefully.
 
2014-01-05 02:27:43 PM

pueblonative: And I'm still saying next election cycle we'll have at least two GOTP candidates bring out the Protestant view that the line of the Papacy will bring about the anti-Christ

/surprised they aren't calling them papists already.


I suppose that would be going back to the status quo regarding Catholic & Protestant relations...

/ CSB: had one grandparent who opposed JFK because he was Catholic...
 
2014-01-05 02:29:01 PM

Bennie Crabtree: I do not understand the people in this thread who say Pope Francis is doing nothing.

I want an omelettes for breakfast. I keep going to the grocery store and buying eggs, cheese, an milk. I was under the impression that is a step I need to take before I can make the omelettes.

I get the impression that some of the people in this thread laugh at the fools who shop for groceries. What is the point of putting cheese in the fridge? Cheese is not omelettes!


If you have a centuries long history of saying "look at these delicious omelettes i've made for you", while never actually providing said omelettes, then it doesn't matter whether you have all the ingredients or not, i'm not going to thank you for the omelettes until I can see them on the plate in front of me.
 
2014-01-05 02:29:43 PM

Bennie Crabtree: I do not understand the people in this thread who say Pope Francis is doing nothing.

I want an omelettes for breakfast. I keep going to the grocery store and buying eggs, cheese, an milk. I was under the impression that is a step I need to take before I can make the omelettes.

I get the impression that some of the people in this thread laugh at the fools who shop for groceries. What is the point of putting cheese in the fridge? Cheese is not omelettes!


Precisely. Affecting change on such a large, dug-in organization as the Catholic Church (probably THE largest, dug-in organization in existence), takes time, requireing that A be done before B can be attempted, and then C and so on and so forth.
 
2014-01-05 02:29:52 PM

ManateeGag: It's not the children's fault that their parents are filthy heathen sinners.


Oh, they hate Catholics anyway. But the Catholics are maybe going to be less useful in the next few years...
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-01-05 02:31:04 PM

Apos: [chirho.me image 850x579]

/Oblig
//They see him Pope-in'....They hatin'.


Weird Al needs to do a take-off on that....
 
2014-01-05 02:34:33 PM

NFA: pueblonative: And I'm still saying next election cycle we'll have at least two GOTP candidates bring out the Protestant view that the line of the Papacy will bring about the anti-Christ

/surprised they aren't calling them papists already.

This was discussed before Francis was even selected.  I'm not joking..

"Is Pope Francis the final pope?
That is too early to tell for sure.  But if he is, he will be an antipope and the final Antichrist."


Fingers crossed
 
2014-01-05 02:34:46 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Plant Rights Activist: on the one hand he has changed the catholic church for the better on the other hand I'm not really sure it's a good thing that the church stay relevant.  It'd almost be better if they stayed as blatantly corrupt as they were.

[citation needed]


I like how you apparently didn't need a citation to biatch about the bishop who was excommunicated.
And then kind of ignored it when someone pointed out the *other* reasons that bishop you were biatching about was excommunicated.

Perhaps the pope needs to show us his long form birth certificate.
 
2014-01-05 02:47:51 PM
It's always sad to me when I see a single mother/father come into church week after week and have to send their children to receive communion while they sit in the pew.  It may not be the single parents fault their spouse divorced them.  I don't think the church will/can go back on that one though.

Meh to the gay couples.  The church prescribes the same abstinence for gays that it does for straight people who aren't in a marriage endorsed by the church.

As far as the kids are concerned, the church has always(or at least for all of my lifetime) supported them no matter what state of sin their parents are in.
 
2014-01-05 02:55:57 PM
um... "His Trolliness"?
 
2014-01-05 02:57:37 PM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: It may not be the single parents fault their spouse divorced them.  I don't think the church will/can go back on that one though.


Currently, the only out of that for the single parent is annulment, which is rather costly. The Church can make that process easier and faster.
 
2014-01-05 03:05:00 PM
 Frankie boy is throwing everything he can out there to broaden the appeal of the church and seeing what sticks to then focus on.
The only thing that the church has ever been concerned with is Money and power and the decrease in the both is what is driving the church now. They see the handwriting on the wall about their fade into irrelevance
which is happening el rapido.


Where is your Dog now ?
 
2014-01-05 03:09:40 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Benevolent Misanthrope: DeltaPunch: F*ck me, at this rate the Church might end up being tolerant of nearly everyone!

Ummm.... no.  Still excommunicating priests who encourage women to be ordained, still saying "HELL no" do acceptane of gay marriage, still saying pedophile priests who go to confession and therapy are okay to still be moved around...

Not accepting.  Just nicer about it.

You are looking at this as an outsider. What seems to be little shifts to you is seismic for the Catholic Church. This man is a continent mover!

As a former Catholic, I can tell you that Confession only works if you are sincere and actually change. You are to be forgiven, as Jesus said, even being a child molester.

Before, it would just ignore the kid and move the priest. The fact is if the pope gets the guy therapy and moves them away from kids is a significant improvement.

Now if only the other religions, such as Hasidic, Orthodox Jews and evangelicals would take the same responsibility.


Actually, BM spent some time in a convent. I think she has a better handle on RCC policy than most people.

Pope Francis is a mobster with a PR firm.  He's still running the mob, and the mob is still evil, but he kisses babies so everything is good.
 
2014-01-05 03:11:49 PM

Felgraf: Benevolent Misanthrope: Plant Rights Activist: on the one hand he has changed the catholic church for the better on the other hand I'm not really sure it's a good thing that the church stay relevant.  It'd almost be better if they stayed as blatantly corrupt as they were.

[citation needed]

I like how you apparently didn't need a citation to biatch about the bishop who was excommunicated.
And then kind of ignored it when someone pointed out the *other* reasons that bishop you were biatching about was excommunicated.

Perhaps the pope needs to show us his long form birth certificate.


Transcripts, too.
 
2014-01-05 03:21:12 PM

 DeltaPunch: F*ck me, at this rate the Church might end up being tolerant of nearly everyone!

Ummm.... no.  Still excommunicating priests who encourage women to be ordained, still saying "HELL no" do acceptane of gay marriage, still saying pedophile priests who go to confession and therapy are okay to still be moved around...

Not accepting.  Just nicer about it.


You are looking at this as an outsider. What seems to be little shifts to you is seismic for the Catholic Church. This man is a continent mover!

As a former Catholic, I can tell you that Confession only works if you are sincere and actually change. You are to be forgiven, as Jesus said, even being a child molester.

Before, it would just ignore the kid and move the priest. The fact is if the pope gets the guy therapy and moves them away from kids is a significant improvement.

Now if only the other religions, such as Hasidic, Orthodox Jews and evangelicals would take the same responsibility.


^^^^^^Right Here^^^^^^

The Catholic church can and I think has moved on the handling of pedophile priests.  As far as ordination of women and recognition of gay marriage, it is completely impossible for the church to reverse those positions if you know how it's structured and how those positions originated.

What gets me is how/why people get upset about this type of stuff.  If you don't like their positions on gay marriage, ordination of women, etc. you have 2 choices:

1.Blindly accept that those positions are right, even if you don't logically agree with them(as I do on abortion), which is completely acceptable in the eyes of the church.

2.Don't be a part of the church, and more importantly don't complain about it.  The church says what they are.  If thats not you, and you aren't willing to set aside those beliefs to be in commune with the Vatican, then it obviously wasn't that important to you and you simply aren't a Catholic, and shouldn't want to be a Catholic.  No harm, no foul.  Move on.
 
2014-01-05 03:31:52 PM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: 2.Don't be a part of the church, and more importantly don't complain about it.  The church says what they are.  If thats not you, and you aren't willing to set aside those beliefs to be in commune with the Vatican, then it obviously wasn't that important to you and you simply aren't a Catholic, and shouldn't want to be a Catholic.  No harm, no foul.  Move on.


Yep. Catholicism isn't a cult. The dogma is readily available, and you can walk into a church no matter what you believe. Or walk out.
 
2014-01-05 03:42:24 PM
I'm not Catholic but I'm digging this Pope. It's like all the church talk is also supposed to happen outside the church in the real world or something.
 
2014-01-05 03:46:54 PM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: 2.Don't be a part of the church, and more importantly don't complain about it. The church says what they are. If thats not you, and you aren't willing to set aside those beliefs to be in commune with the Vatican, then it obviously wasn't that important to you and you simply aren't a Catholic, and shouldn't want to be a Catholic. No harm, no foul. Move on.


This is a bullshiat argument, and will remain a bullshiat argument until the Catholic church decide that their repressive and backwards opinions about gay people and women should only apply to members of the Catholic church.

When they stop trying to get them written into law in various countries, then you'll have a point.
 
2014-01-05 03:52:26 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: This is a bullshiat argument, and will remain a bullshiat argument until the Catholic church decide that their repressive and backwards opinions about gay people and women should only apply to members of the Catholic church.

When they stop trying to get them written into law in various countries, then you'll have a point.


As a Catholic, I agree with you. There's no mention of writing laws in the NT (of course, that wasn't possible under the Roman Empire) and it contradicts the Church doctrine of Free Will (you have to choose not to sin, not be denied the opportunity).
 
2014-01-05 04:01:27 PM
I'm calling it:

UN will invade the Vatican and then the wild beast will be no more.
 
2014-01-05 04:01:29 PM

Notabunny: fta "We must be careful not to administer a vaccine against faith to them," the 77-year-old added.

That would be a welcome change in policy.


Oh great, now the Pope has joined the anti-vaxxer crowd.
 
2014-01-05 04:02:24 PM

WippitGuud: Benevolent Misanthrope: DeltaPunch: F*ck me, at this rate the Church might end up being tolerant of nearly everyone!

Ummm.... no.  Still excommunicating priests who encourage women to be ordained, still saying "HELL no" do acceptane of gay marriage, still saying pedophile priests who go to confession and therapy are okay to still be moved around...

Not accepting.  Just nicer about it.

[www.thatsnotdelicious.com image 300x246]

What happens if he does all this other stuff you're asking for? People already think he's going to be assassinated fpr what he has done so far, trying to take on the rest of your church isn't exactly a cakewalk.



"Not soon enough", "It still happened", "Yeah, smoke and mirrors", "Skybully worship is still skybully worship", "This other thing didn't change", etc.
 
2014-01-05 04:03:51 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: kukukupo: I have no problem with this.  It isn't the child's fault they are under the stewardship of their parents.

It's not my fault Catholic God gave me original sin, but he still wants to bust my balls for it.


Yeah, yeah, your wife talked you into it, and she says some snake talked her into it first.  We've heard that one before.

Man up, Nancy, and accept your need for salvation like the rest of us.
 
2014-01-05 04:08:01 PM

MrBallou: You know how I can tell he's a good Pope? My nominally-Catholic, FoxNews-quoting, GOP-voting, Idiot Brother-In-Law hates him.


An old friend of mine, good guy but not the brightest bulb in the box, ravenous consumer of Faux News, surprised me not one bit by spewing hate and vitriol when I dropped the name of Francis in conversation.

By their fruits shall ye know them.  Francis attracting rage for following the lessons of Christ tells me he's probably on the right page.

I mean, I'm no Christian, but it is frankly amazing to see the degree to which people who are nominally of the faith are utterly enraged by a pope who appears to be trying to follow the message of the new testament.
 
2014-01-05 04:10:01 PM

Bennie Crabtree: I do not understand the people in this thread who say Pope Francis is doing nothing.

I want an omelettes for breakfast. I keep going to the grocery store and buying eggs, cheese, an milk. I was under the impression that is a step I need to take before I can make the omelettes.

I get the impression that some of the people in this thread laugh at the fools who shop for groceries. What is the point of putting cheese in the fridge? Cheese is not omelettes!


Eggs come from unfertilized chicken embryos, and the milk from cows could be used to feed the poor and hungry.

And I don't see the farmer doing anything about it.

Until these things change, we're not going to get omelettes
 
2014-01-05 04:12:56 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: 2.Don't be a part of the church, and more importantly don't complain about it. The church says what they are. If thats not you, and you aren't willing to set aside those beliefs to be in commune with the Vatican, then it obviously wasn't that important to you and you simply aren't a Catholic, and shouldn't want to be a Catholic. No harm, no foul. Move on.

This is a bullshiat argument, and will remain a bullshiat argument until the Catholic church decide that their repressive and backwards opinions about gay people and women should only apply to members of the Catholic church.

When they stop trying to get them written into law in various countries, then you'll have a point.


Thats a fine argument.  It's not up to a group to remain silent about its beliefs in the public square.  It's up to the public square to reject those beliefs if thats not what they feel is best for their people.

The opinions of the Catholic church only apply to the church itself, until the nation in question decides they want to make them their own.  I'm sure there are plenty of nations/states etc. that will make different decisions in regards to these issues.  Good for them.  It's not going to change what the church and its believers do.
 
2014-01-05 04:13:32 PM

EdBear: MrBallou: You know how I can tell he's a good Pope? My nominally-Catholic, FoxNews-quoting, GOP-voting, Idiot Brother-In-Law hates him.

An old friend of mine, good guy but not the brightest bulb in the box, ravenous consumer of Faux News, surprised me not one bit by spewing hate and vitriol when I dropped the name of Francis in conversation.

By their fruits shall ye know them.  Francis attracting rage for following the lessons of Christ tells me he's probably on the right page.

I mean, I'm no Christian, but it is frankly amazing to see the degree to which people who are nominally of the faith are utterly enraged by a pope who appears to be trying to follow the message of the new testament.


Mostly following the Gospels. I expect to start hearing Whore of Babylon references pretty soon.
 
2014-01-05 04:28:21 PM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: It's always sad to me when I see a single mother/father come into church week after week and have to send their children to receive communion while they sit in the pew.  It may not be the single parents fault their spouse divorced them.  I don't think the church will/can go back on that one though.

Meh to the gay couples.  The church prescribes the same abstinence for gays that it does for straight people who aren't in a marriage endorsed by the church.

As far as the kids are concerned, the church has always(or at least for all of my lifetime) supported them no matter what state of sin their parents are in.


I work in a catholic school, and just like with the rest of the country, I would say half the students have divorced parents. No one in my school is turned away from receiving communion. Perhaps it depends on the particular parish? I know one teacher I work with was denied family health insurance at her previous school. It is thought because she had her kids out of wedlock. When she came to our school (after the other one closed surprise surprise) she had no issues getting insurance for her kids (quite frankly, I can't believe being denied the insurance was legal.)

My school also recently had a gay teacher and one of the more active Eucharistic ministers is gay. Both he and his partner are very active in the various sermons and parish events.

I have a feeling; however, that the pastor isn't aware or refuses to acknowledge his orientation. Just like he doesn't know or acknowledge his many other sinful teachers who could be fired for violating their morality clauses because they are divorced, on birth control, or living in sin with a partner.

Got off track. My school seems to be very accepting of those who are divorced. I imagine it is for the samereason Francis says, though. Gotta get the asses in the seats or else it will close, and you can't do that by ostracizing half the population.
 
2014-01-05 04:30:30 PM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: Thats a fine argument. It's not up to a group to remain silent about its beliefs in the public square. It's up to the public square to reject those beliefs if thats not what they feel is best for their people.


No, it's a bullshiat argument.

In the comment that I replied to first, you were quite clear about the fact that, if someone doesn't like the position of the Church, their two choices are to suck it up, or leave the Church and stop complaining. Now you appear to be arguing that while the Church has the right to try and persuade society to accept its rules, other people in society should just shut up and stop complaining?

Yeah. fark that shiat.
 
2014-01-05 04:36:45 PM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: It's always sad to me when I see a single mother/father come into church week after week and have to send their children to receive communion while they sit in the pew.


My divorced Catholic mother received the sacraments regularly until she married my stepfather, then she couldn't. It's not divorce that keeps a Catholic from eligibility for sacraments. It's remarriage.
 
2014-01-05 04:40:22 PM

pueblonative: And I'm still saying next election cycle we'll have at least two GOTP candidates bring out the Protestant view that the line of the Papacy will bring about the anti-Christ

/surprised they aren't calling them papists already.


I thought this was something these clowns were _supposed_ to want to happen ASAP.
 
2014-01-05 04:41:57 PM

Lsherm: Benevolent Misanthrope: But he's still excommunicated a priest for encouraging women's ordination,

That priest didn't just encourage women's ordination, he resigned and  started his own church that ordained women, married gay couples, presided over a mass in his new church where a parishioner gave communion to a dog, and in general fulfilled just about every single thing you could possibly do to get excommunicated.

You are not allowed to start your own church and still be a Roman Catholic priest.  It's one of the big no-no's.  The only people pretending to be shocked that he was booted are Protestants.


Yeah that strikes me as heresy at best or schism at worst.

/Crusader Kings 2, man
 
2014-01-05 04:44:34 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: Thats a fine argument. It's not up to a group to remain silent about its beliefs in the public square. It's up to the public square to reject those beliefs if thats not what they feel is best for their people.

No, it's a bullshiat argument.

In the comment that I replied to first, you were quite clear about the fact that, if someone doesn't like the position of the Church, their two choices are to suck it up, or leave the Church and stop complaining. Now you appear to be arguing that while the Church has the right to try and persuade society to accept its rules, other people in society should just shut up and stop complaining?

Yeah. fark that shiat.


To be clear, just because you don't agree, doesn't make it a "bullshiat argument".

I'm perfectly fine with your statement here.  In context of church membership, either follow the rules or don't be a member and don't complain.  In context of community activism, the Church, just like me and you and every other group out there has every right to campaign for what it believes to be right.  If you disagree, you can campaign for a different position, but there's no need to complain about and fight the institution itself; just argue your point on the issues you feel strongly about.

For example, the Catholic church doesn't support gay marriage.  It doesn't go around yelling "Deport San Francisco!!!"

See how that works?  You'll be a lot less angry if you do.
 
2014-01-05 04:46:08 PM
It's nice that the pope is reiterating the doctrine to not punish a child for their parent's sins. The Christian schools that kick out kids for having gay parents, etc. need a refresher on that teaching of Jesus. The pope is saying that the catholic church needs to remember that except for Original Sin, a child does not bear the sin of their parents.
 
2014-01-05 04:51:59 PM
He really is making it harder for:

1). Conservative Christians who really like to cling to their bigotry (and)
2). The anti-religious folks who really like to cling to their bigotry

I'd say he's doing something very, very right.
 
2014-01-05 04:59:09 PM

WippitGuud: Benevolent Misanthrope: DeltaPunch: F*ck me, at this rate the Church might end up being tolerant of nearly everyone!

Ummm.... no.  Still excommunicating priests who encourage women to be ordained, still saying "HELL no" do acceptane of gay marriage, still saying pedophile priests who go to confession and therapy are okay to still be moved around...

Not accepting.  Just nicer about it.

[www.thatsnotdelicious.com image 300x246]

What happens if he does all this other stuff you're asking for? People already think he's going to be assassinated fpr what he has done so far, trying to take on the rest of your church isn't exactly a cakewalk.


Why would the pope ever be afraid of assassination? Or death, in general?
 
2014-01-05 05:01:15 PM

towatchoverme: He really is making it harder for:

1). Conservative Christians who really like to cling to their bigotry (and)
2). The anti-religious folks who really like to cling to their bigotry

I'd say he's doing something very, very right.


Considering the Church is a world-wide operation, if you're a bigoted Catholic you're doing it wrong. If you're talking sexual orientation, you're still doing it wrong.
 
2014-01-05 05:06:09 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Benevolent Misanthrope: DeltaPunch: F*ck me, at this rate the Church might end up being tolerant of nearly everyone!

Ummm.... no.  Still excommunicating priests who encourage women to be ordained, still saying "HELL no" do acceptane of gay marriage, still saying pedophile priests who go to confession and therapy are okay to still be moved around...

Not accepting.  Just nicer about it.

You are looking at this as an outsider. What seems to be little shifts to you is seismic for the Catholic Church. This man is a continent mover!

As a former Catholic, I can tell you that Confession only works if you are sincere and actually change. You are to be forgiven, as Jesus said, even being a child molester.

Before, it would just ignore the kid and move the priest. The fact is if the pope gets the guy therapy and moves them away from kids is a significant improvement.

Now if only the other religions, such as Hasidic, Orthodox Jews and evangelicals would take the same responsibility.


Those are authoritarian religions. They dare not weaken the authority of the individual clergyperson over the faithful. If you believe god is someone to be obeyed without question (or in the Jewish case, to be obeyed despite question), the individual clergyperson is where that authority has to be acted out - where the rubber meets the road, as it were.
 
2014-01-05 05:13:16 PM

simplicimus: zulius: Wait, divorced kids need to excommunicated? When did that start?

Never.


So, wait, kids need to be married before they're excommunicated?

When did that start?
 
2014-01-05 05:28:37 PM

iron de havilland: simplicimus: zulius: Wait, divorced kids need to excommunicated? When did that start?

Never.

So, wait, kids need to be married before they're excommunicated?

When did that start?


Again, never. Despite some sabre rattling by certain American Bishops, it takes a lot to get formally excommunicated.
 
2014-01-05 05:31:33 PM
I'm not entirely positive at this point that the Catholic church didn't just hire a PR firm rep to act as the Pope
 
2014-01-05 05:32:33 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: But what has he done lately with his pedophile priest committee? Any progress there?

No?


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2014-01-05 05:35:45 PM

techgeek07: I consider myself a recovering catholic.  And this guy actually is making me start liking the church again.


I feels ya.

/not in a creepy priest type of way
 
2014-01-05 05:39:29 PM

simplicimus: iron de havilland: simplicimus: zulius: Wait, divorced kids need to excommunicated? When did that start?

Never.

So, wait, kids need to be married before they're excommunicated?

When did that start?

Again, never.


So kids can never be married before they're excommunicated?

When did that start?
 
2014-01-05 05:55:11 PM

simplicimus: EdBear: MrBallou: You know how I can tell he's a good Pope? My nominally-Catholic, FoxNews-quoting, GOP-voting, Idiot Brother-In-Law hates him.

An old friend of mine, good guy but not the brightest bulb in the box, ravenous consumer of Faux News, surprised me not one bit by spewing hate and vitriol when I dropped the name of Francis in conversation.

By their fruits shall ye know them.  Francis attracting rage for following the lessons of Christ tells me he's probably on the right page.

I mean, I'm no Christian, but it is frankly amazing to see the degree to which people who are nominally of the faith are utterly enraged by a pope who appears to be trying to follow the message of the new testament.

Mostly following the Gospels. I expect to start hearing Whore of Babylon references pretty soon.


More Miley Cyrus threads?
 
2014-01-05 05:55:13 PM

markfara: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: It's always sad to me when I see a single mother/father come into church week after week and have to send their children to receive communion while they sit in the pew.

My divorced Catholic mother received the sacraments regularly until she married my stepfather, then she couldn't. It's not divorce that keeps a Catholic from eligibility for sacraments. It's remarriage.


While marriage binds two souls together, allowing the devil into your heart and taking the path of divorce rips them in twain again. The mixed, now tainted, souls become a forlorn mix of the two which preceded them, often broken and unable to face the world properly again. While remarriage may fix such a thing, too commonly the broken soul will only lead to another messy divorce. As the bits of the original soul spread through those entwining and shearing their souls repeatedly, eventually the scraps of soul that originally bound them will be so far removed, that they can stretch generations, perhaps indefinitely.

As everyone knows, while any fragment of a soul remains bound to this world, that soul cannot move on.  Divorce is the devils horcrux, and divorcees his legion.

/ 5th UnderCaptain in the 4th Regiment Of Things That Go Squish When Stepped On By A Balrog
 
2014-01-05 05:58:55 PM

OtherLittleGuy: simplicimus: EdBear: MrBallou: You know how I can tell he's a good Pope? My nominally-Catholic, FoxNews-quoting, GOP-voting, Idiot Brother-In-Law hates him.

An old friend of mine, good guy but not the brightest bulb in the box, ravenous consumer of Faux News, surprised me not one bit by spewing hate and vitriol when I dropped the name of Francis in conversation.

By their fruits shall ye know them.  Francis attracting rage for following the lessons of Christ tells me he's probably on the right page.

I mean, I'm no Christian, but it is frankly amazing to see the degree to which people who are nominally of the faith are utterly enraged by a pope who appears to be trying to follow the message of the new testament.

Mostly following the Gospels. I expect to start hearing Whore of Babylon references pretty soon.

More Miley Cyrus threads?


Please, no.
 
2014-01-05 06:10:09 PM

CowardlyLion: Why would the pope ever be afraid of assassination? Or death, in general?


Essentially because he is simply a man*. His ability to act bravely in public is testament to his courage, it does not mean he has no fears. He has no special insight to his personal salvation, I am certain that he lives with doubts that God exists at all. I suppose he takes comfort in that doing his best may be helpful for humanity regardless of his soul's fate. 
*although even Jesus, who believed himself not to be simply a man also acknowledges a fear of death.
 
2014-01-05 06:37:13 PM

clancifer: Religious conservatives are really starting to hate this guy.


Which is a sign that he's doing something right.
 
2014-01-05 07:09:43 PM

iron de havilland: simplicimus: iron de havilland: simplicimus: zulius: Wait, divorced kids need to excommunicated? When did that start?

Never.

So, wait, kids need to be married before they're excommunicated?

When did that start?

Again, never.

So kids can never be married before they're excommunicated?

When did that start?




Let me help you.

Children of divorced Catholics are not excommunicated and are allowed to marry.

The only time you cannot be married in the church if
a) you are the same sex as your partner
b) Divorced, without an annulment
c) or are currently married to another person
E)dead
 
2014-01-05 07:16:52 PM

Dadoody: [i.imgur.com image 850x493]

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The day they announced the new pope, I almost swore that I heard Imperial Marching music, because of how scary close the last pope looks to the Emperor.

Whatever happened to the old pope anyway? Wonder if he got thrown down the shaft of a battle station or something.
 
2014-01-05 07:20:26 PM

Darth_Lukecash: iron de havilland: simplicimus: iron de havilland: simplicimus: zulius: Wait, divorced kids need to excommunicated? When did that start?

Never.

So, wait, kids need to be married before they're excommunicated?

When did that start?

Again, never.

So kids can never be married before they're excommunicated?

When did that start?

Let me help you.

Children of divorced Catholics are not excommunicated and are allowed to marry.

The only time you cannot be married in the church if
a) you are the same sex as your partner
b) Divorced, without an annulment
c) or are currently married to another person
E)dead


f) did not receive the sacraments of Baptism, Penance, Eucharist, and Confirmation.
 
2014-01-05 07:20:55 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Let me help you.

Children of divorced Catholics are not excommunicated and are allowed to marry.


So, to excommunicate kids, you have to be divorced?

When did that start?
 
2014-01-05 07:33:53 PM

Jeteupthemiddle: Darth_Lukecash: iron de havilland: simplicimus: iron de havilland: simplicimus: zulius: Wait, divorced kids need to excommunicated? When did that start?

Never.

So, wait, kids need to be married before they're excommunicated?

When did that start?

Again, never.

So kids can never be married before they're excommunicated?

When did that start?

Let me help you.

Children of divorced Catholics are not excommunicated and are allowed to marry.

The only time you cannot be married in the church if
a) you are the same sex as your partner
b) Divorced, without an annulment
c) or are currently married to another person
E)dead

f) did not receive the sacraments of Baptism, Penance, Eucharist, and Confirmation

(in a Catholic church)
 
2014-01-05 07:55:47 PM

doctor wu: I wonder what's going on in the catholic church. There's no way all those medieval-minded, pedophile-enabling old f*ckers can be good with what the new boss is selling. Hard to preach fear and guilt and eternal damnation with this guy spreading love all over the place.  I wonder if he'll even stop shielding  from prosecution the child-molesters they've got hiding out at the Vatican?


They are ignoring him.

My wife is a non-attending Catholic. We are same-sex married. She feels that she cannot attend her own church and they had let her down. Well, she was about ready to take the plunge and actually attend Midnight Mass this past Christmas, since the Pope says she is now a legitimate seeker of faith. However, our local parish priest is old, old fashioned and  old country. They actually put blurbs on their Christmas service times flyer that stated you must fast for an hour before Eucharist, but medication and water don't count. Also, that it is your obligation to attend services every week unless you are ill or dying.

That really turned her off - the fasting part is next to impossible for medical reasons, so I assume the priest would be happy to have her either eat something and stay non-comatose, but not take communion, or fast and end up getting last rites on the steps of the sanctuary?

So, as much as she would love to attend, to be a part of it again, whatever Francis is saying is definitely NOT hitting all local parishes, not yet anyhow.
 
2014-01-05 08:15:22 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Plant Rights Activist: on the one hand he has changed the catholic church for the better on the other hand I'm not really sure it's a good thing that the church stay relevant.  It'd almost be better if they stayed as blatantly corrupt as they were.

[citation needed]


AFAIK, some churches used to be assholes to kids of parents who were 'sinners', like divorced or gay couples, by not letting them go to Catholic schools\join various groups\whatever. Treating them like human beings? Good damn change from where I stand.
 
2014-01-05 08:28:43 PM

Evil Canadian: That really turned her off - the fasting part is next to impossible for medical reasons,


Your wife can't go one hour without eating?
 
2014-01-05 08:47:39 PM

Evil Canadian: However, our local parish priest is old, old fashioned and  old country. They actually put blurbs on their Christmas service times flyer that stated you must fast for an hour before Eucharist, but medication and water don't count. Also, that it is your obligation to attend services every week unless you are ill or dying.


Good grief, I haven't heard that business about fasting an hour before taking the Eucharist since the early 70s. How ancient is this priest???
 
2014-01-05 09:14:01 PM

Lsherm: Benevolent Misanthrope: But he's still excommunicated a priest for encouraging women's ordination,

That priest didn't just encourage women's ordination, he resigned and  started his own church that ordained women, married gay couples, presided over a mass in his new church where a parishioner gave communion to a dog, and in general fulfilled just about every single thing you could possibly do to get excommunicated.

You are not allowed to start your own church and still be a Roman Catholic priest.  It's one of the big no-no's.  The only people pretending to be shocked that he was booted are Protestants.


Yeah, the Catholics have really had this thing against splitters since something or other happened back in 1054.
 
2014-01-05 09:40:51 PM

strangeluck: The day they announced the new pope, I almost swore that I heard Imperial Marching music, because of how scary close the last pope looks to the Emperor.

Whatever happened to the old pope anyway? Wonder if he got thrown down the shaft of a battle station or something.


According to anon sources in the vatican, things are 'tense' between him and Francis as Ratzenburg has a habit of rolling his eyes and the like at Francis.

Again, this is all suspect second hand info, but it's like the 'pope sneaking out in disguise to give alms' thing; sounds good but no way to really verify, but humorous if true.
 
2014-01-05 09:53:09 PM
I've been a catholic some 57 years and I recall no excommunication of the children of divorce.   I believe this to be a myth spread around by folk who don't like Catholics.  (just checked the page on excommunication in Wikipedia - no sign of it there)

Catholics have their issues but excommunication children of divorce is not one of them.
 
2014-01-05 09:57:41 PM

Lydia_C: Evil Canadian: However, our local parish priest is old, old fashioned and  old country. They actually put blurbs on their Christmas service times flyer that stated you must fast for an hour before Eucharist, but medication and water don't count. Also, that it is your obligation to attend services every week unless you are ill or dying.

Good grief, I haven't heard that business about fasting an hour before taking the Eucharist since the early 70s. How ancient is this priest???


I'd never heard this before either, but unlike the Protestants, we believe that it is the actual body of Christ.  It wouldn't really be appropriate to eat it with a mouthful of jelly, right?

Since most Eucharistic masses that people attend are fairly early in the morning, it doesn't seam to be that much of an issue to refrain from eating beforehand.

Regarding other fasts, such as Friday fasting, typically substitutes are okay.  If you're going to dinner at your secular in laws and they are serving ham, rather than being rude you could forgo another enjoyable activity, or perform a selfless act such as volunteering.  Generally meatless fasting should be the minimum, and a substitute should be more significant, if anything.
 
2014-01-05 09:58:54 PM

zulius: Wait, divorced kids need to excommunicated? When did that start?


This seems to be a rumor.  I just checked the wikipedia page on excommunication which was fairly detailed.  No sign of it there.  I was raised Catholic and am 57 years old.  I never heard of excommunication of the children of divorce.
 
2014-01-05 10:03:54 PM

Lydia_C: Good grief, I haven't heard that business about fasting an hour before taking the Eucharist since the early 70s. How ancient is this priest???


Uh, the rules haven't changed.

Also, since communion doesn't occur until 45 minutes into the mass and you're presumably taking some time to get to church, most people manage to adhere to it without any trouble at all.  I know America is a fat country, but if you people can't manage to stop eating on your way to church, maybe you should reassess your dietary habits.
 
2014-01-05 10:06:36 PM

towatchoverme: He really is making it harder for:

1). Conservative Christians who really like to cling to their bigotry (and)
2). The anti-religious folks who really like to cling to their bigotry

I'd say he's doing something very, very right.


Every non-religious type commenting about this Pope has showered his with praise.  Only right wing lunatics don't like this guy.  (he don't have gays and minorities like we do)
 
2014-01-05 10:11:51 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: ManateeGag: It's not the children's fault that their parents are filthy heathen sinners.

Funny thing is, that line would work very well with religious conservatives.  They'd feel oh so sorry for the children, and be totally for any efforts to help them succeed in life.

Swap "filthy heathen sinners" for "undocumented immigrant", however, and they'll trip over themselves trying to throw the kids under the church bus.


Shows you how much the pro-lifers REALLY care about kids.  (don't really care at all unless they can use it as a political issue to wage a campaign, like the issue of abortion.)
 
2014-01-05 10:18:34 PM

FarkerSnow: Wake up sheeple! Do your own research. This is just his plan to get more vulnerable children to church because they're easier to molest.


The percentage of priests molesting children is no more (and arguably less) than the population in general (so, by your logic, keep ALL adults away from children?).  Does the Church often do the wrong thing when they detect a molesting priest?  Yes, that is the problem.
 
2014-01-05 10:23:59 PM
I'm a child of two divorced catholic parents with the marriage annulled.  Not excommunicated.
 
2014-01-05 10:30:28 PM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: Lydia_C: Evil Canadian: However, our local parish priest is old, old fashioned and  old country. They actually put blurbs on their Christmas service times flyer that stated you must fast for an hour before Eucharist, but medication and water don't count. Also, that it is your obligation to attend services every week unless you are ill or dying.

Good grief, I haven't heard that business about fasting an hour before taking the Eucharist since the early 70s. How ancient is this priest???

I'd never heard this before either, but unlike the Protestants, we believe that it is the actual body of Christ.  It wouldn't really be appropriate to eat it with a mouthful of jelly, right?

Since most Eucharistic masses that people attend are fairly early in the morning, it doesn't seam to be that much of an issue to refrain from eating beforehand.

Regarding other fasts, such as Friday fasting, typically substitutes are okay.  If you're going to dinner at your secular in laws and they are serving ham, rather than being rude you could forgo another enjoyable activity, or perform a selfless act such as volunteering.  Generally meatless fasting should be the minimum, and a substitute should be more significant, if anything.


Lsherm: Lydia_C: Good grief, I haven't heard that business about fasting an hour before taking the Eucharist since the early 70s. How ancient is this priest???

Uh, the rules haven't changed.

Also, since communion doesn't occur until 45 minutes into the mass and you're presumably taking some time to get to church, most people manage to adhere to it without any trouble at all.  I know America is a fat country, but if you people can't manage to stop eating on your way to church, maybe you should reassess your dietary habits.


Gentlemen, no need for the sarcasm about having a mouthful of jelly with the host, or inability to control one's eating for an hour. I'm a veteran of twelve years of Catholic schooling through the 70s and half the 80s, plus a bachelor's degree from a Jesuit institution. It was a practice that we students were reminded of frequently in the early days, but which literally was not emphasized in my experience any time after 1977, and hasn't been emphasized to my nephews (current Catholic school attendees). Since Evil Canadian mentioned that the parish priest was quite old, and all the nuns I knew that used to hammer on this point are long since retired or deceased, I was curious about the priest's age. That is all.
 
2014-01-05 10:32:25 PM
I don't believe they excommunicate even when you get divorced (unless, you somehow make a public big deal out of it) - these sound like ancient, no longer applied rules.
 
2014-01-05 10:47:37 PM

clancifer: Religious conservatives are really starting to hate this guy.


Maybe, but they've always been in the minority of religious believers (at least within the Catholic and high-church protestant circles). They've just had a monopoly on leadership positions.
 
2014-01-05 10:53:05 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: But he's still excommunicated a priest for encouraging women's ordination


Most of what else you've written is wrong as well, but this needs addressed repeatedly: Reynolds was excommunicated for providing licit but invalid sacramental services in public without proper facilities to do so.

He was not excommunicated for his stance on women's ordination. He was excommunicated because he disobeyed his Bishop in a public way. Any priest who does that will get excommunicated, regardless of if their political and theological views are 100% in-line with the Pontiffs or not.

There are plenty of priests who vocally support women's ordination out there. They aren't getting excommunicated. Why? Because they aren't being stupid . . .
 
2014-01-05 11:09:30 PM
Evil Canadian:

That really turned her off - the fasting part is next to impossible for medical reasons, so I assume the priest would be happy to have her either eat something and stay non-comatose, but not take communion, or fast and end up getting last rites on the steps of the sanctuary?

So, as much as she would love to attend, to be a part of it again, whatever Francis is saying is definitely NOT hitting all local parishes, not yet anyhow.


That blurb is something from the Council of American Bishops. It is a generic statement that applies to most people kind of like the statement "if you break the law you're a criminal" is a general statement but we then don't extrapolate that to suggest that someone driving at 2 mph over the speed limit is a criminal. 

There are all kinds of exceptions within canon law for just about everything having to do with practicing one's faith. And certainly the practice of fasting before communion (which is not even a canonically required observance) comes with a whole host of asterisks. 

And, here's the biggest thing that the laity really don't get: the average priest isn't that well educated either in terms of canon law or in terms of formal theology. They generally have a master's in theology that is focused on pastoral care or liturgy. 

/went to graduate school on fellowship for systematic theology
 
2014-01-05 11:12:02 PM

Lsherm: Lydia_C: Good grief, I haven't heard that business about fasting an hour before taking the Eucharist since the early 70s. How ancient is this priest???

Uh, the rules haven't changed.

Also, since communion doesn't occur until 45 minutes into the mass and you're presumably taking some time to get to church, most people manage to adhere to it without any trouble at all.  I know America is a fat country, but if you people can't manage to stop eating on your way to church, maybe you should reassess your dietary habits.


We used to have a priest who could get you in and out of a daily mass in 25 minutes.
 
2014-01-05 11:17:52 PM

Kope: Benevolent Misanthrope: But he's still excommunicated a priest for encouraging women's ordination

Most of what else you've written is wrong as well, but this needs addressed repeatedly: Reynolds was excommunicated for providing licit but invalid sacramental services in public without proper facilities to do so.

He was not excommunicated for his stance on women's ordination. He was excommunicated because he disobeyed his Bishop in a public way. Any priest who does that will get excommunicated, regardless of if their political and theological views are 100% in-line with the Pontiffs or not.

There are plenty of priests who vocally support women's ordination out there. They aren't getting excommunicated. Why? Because they aren't being stupid . . .


Ah.  So, which of those 3 reasons was the basis for his excommunication, again?

So, the other Catholics who have been blasting me on this are wrong, in that he didn't go off on his own, start a new church, and style himself a Bishop?  I mean, I can actually see if if he did that.  But if it's just a mater of being politically stupid, I wasn't aware that was a excommunicable offense.  And frankly, when repeat sexual offenders - incorrigible ones - are being allowed to stay in the Church and keep their ministries, I find it hard to spare sympathy for a guy who thinks it's more egregious to ordain women than it is to rape children.

But still - I hold to my point that Francis, nice a guy as he is and great a comunicator as he is, hasn't actually changed anything.
 
2014-01-05 11:22:58 PM

Kope: And, here's the biggest thing that the laity really don't get: the average priest isn't that well educated either in terms of canon law or in terms of formal theology. They generally have a master's in theology that is focused on pastoral care or liturgy.


This ^^^ became abundantly clear to me when I got to college and had my first religion classes taught by Jesuits. And the nuns that taught us in elementary and high school were, by and large, even worse when it came to theological matters than the parish priests.

/ all-girl Catholic high school religion classes = learning about "the modern Catholic family"
// loved the intellectualism of the Jesuits, even as my new knowledge led me away from the church
/// laughed my butt off when I heard a Jesuit had become Pope, figuring that a lot of folks had no idea what kind of ride they were in for
//// liking Francis very much so far
 
2014-01-05 11:54:49 PM

PaulRB: FarkerSnow: Wake up sheeple! Do your own research. This is just his plan to get more vulnerable children to church because they're easier to molest.

The percentage of priests molesting children is no more (and arguably less) than the population in general (so, by your logic, keep ALL adults away from children?).  Does the Church often do the wrong thing when they detect a molesting priest?  Yes, that is the problem.


Welcome to Fark. Might want to invest in a troll detector.
 
2014-01-06 12:12:55 AM

PaulRB: Every non-religious type commenting about this Pope has showered his with praise.


Unsubstantiated carp.

He's part of the problem, not the solution - regardless of how vociferous his PR team is being of late.
 
2014-01-06 12:19:02 AM

Evil Canadian: My wife is a non-attending Catholic. We are same-sex married. She feels that she cannot attend her own church and they had let her down. Well, she was about ready to take the plunge and actually attend Midnight Mass this past Christmas, since the Pope says she is now a legitimate seeker of faith. However, our local parish priest is old, old fashioned and  old country. They actually put blurbs on their Christmas service times flyer that stated you must fast for an hour before Eucharist, but medication and water don't count. Also, that it is your obligation to attend services every week unless you are ill or dying.

That really turned her off - the fasting part is next to impossible for medical reasons, so I assume the priest would be happy to have her either eat something and stay non-comatose, but not take communion, or fast and end up getting last rites on the steps of the sanctuary?

So, as much as she would love to attend, to be a part of it again, whatever Francis is saying is definitely NOT hitting all local parishes, not yet anyhow.


All that stuff about attending weekly and fasting were taught.  It's frowned upon if you don't, and you have to confess to it.  Shame on that priest for wanting to restate the rules?  He's probably pointing out to the Christmas & Palm Sunday horde that it takes more than going to mass 2x a year to be a good Catholic.

I'll assume your wife is an insulin-dependent diabetic, as I can't envision any other illnesses that require you to eat something at least hourly.  Regarding the fasting, if there is medical need, doesn't the Church make exception?  Come to think of it, most parish priests will make exception given circumstances.  There is a legit need, and if she talked to the priest about her condition, he would probably get an OK from higher up if needed.  Or, go to anther RC church with better mass times.  Or, alternately, she can choose to not receive that mass.  Or have a Eucharistic Minister stop by the house after church some Sunday and give her communion, as they can do it around your wife's eating schedule.
 
2014-01-06 12:20:09 AM

nulluspixiusdemonica: PaulRB: Every non-religious type commenting about this Pope has showered his with praise.

Unsubstantiated carp.

He's part of the problem, not the solution - regardless of how vociferous his PR team is being of late.


What do you have against carp? Didn't like After a many summer dies the swan?
 
2014-01-06 12:25:54 AM

WippitGuud: What happens if he does all this other stuff you're asking for? People already think he's going to be assassinated for what he has done so far, trying to take on the rest of your church isn't exactly a cakewalk.


First, full disclosure:  I'm not a Catholic, but my dad's family is Catholic.

Let's face it, compared to previous popes (at least, the popes I've experienced, JP2 and Benedict), this guy really does feel much more like a man of the people.  The dude used to be a bouncer, and even now he sneaks out to be with and help the poor.   Like any big ship, you can't turn the Catholic church on a dime.  It'll take years of gentle nudging, IMHO, to put it on a better course.

I really hope, for the sake of the Catholic church's billion followers and all the societies they influence, that he continues in this direction, and lives a long, healthy life doing so.

For some reason, whenever I say "I hope Pope Francis dies of natural causes" to my family or a few close coworkers, they know exactly what I mean.  And I truly mean that.  Go Francis!

/atheist, but recognizes the role religion plays and will continue to play in society
 
2014-01-06 12:26:50 AM

techgeek07: I'm a child of two divorced catholic parents with the marriage annulled.  Not excommunicated.


Obviously you don't know about double secret excommunication.
 
2014-01-06 12:46:16 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Kope: Benevolent Misanthrope: But he's still excommunicated a priest for encouraging women's ordination

Most of what else you've written is wrong as well, but this needs addressed repeatedly: Reynolds was excommunicated for providing licit but invalid sacramental services in public without proper facilities to do so.

He was not excommunicated for his stance on women's ordination. He was excommunicated because he disobeyed his Bishop in a public way. Any priest who does that will get excommunicated, regardless of if their political and theological views are 100% in-line with the Pontiffs or not.

There are plenty of priests who vocally support women's ordination out there. They aren't getting excommunicated. Why? Because they aren't being stupid . . .

Ah.  So, which of those 3 reasons was the basis for his excommunication, again?

So, the other Catholics who have been blasting me on this are wrong, in that he didn't go off on his own, start a new church, and style himself a Bishop?  I mean, I can actually see if if he did that.  But if it's just a mater of being politically stupid, I wasn't aware that was a excommunicable offense.  And frankly, when repeat sexual offenders - incorrigible ones - are being allowed to stay in the Church and keep their ministries, I find it hard to spare sympathy for a guy who thinks it's more egregious to ordain women than it is to rape children.

But still - I hold to my point that Francis, nice a guy as he is and great a comunicator as he is, hasn't actually changed anything.


Even though this article states at the beginning he was excommunicated for being vocal about women's ordination, it contradicts itself later if you read the whole thing.  Key takeaways:  he resigned his position as pastor, held services while his ministry was suspended, and, even though he claims it isn't one, started his own church.

Here's a key quote from the home page of his new ministry (emphasis mine):

While in no way compromising our Catholic belief in the Eucharist, including the Real Presence, we do not restrict peoples' reception of Holy Communion on the grounds of their worthiness or theology.

Belief in transubstantiation is a prerequisite for receiving communion.  He was handing out the Eucharist according to his own rules, not Rome's.  This guy was begging to be excommunicated.  It's like saying you're a judge but you're only going to follow the laws you like when you hand down decisions.  His "surprise" at being excommunicated is either an act, or he didn't pay any attention in the seminary.  He knew full well he wasn't allowed to do what he was doing.  The actual excommunication order was for "Throwing away or retaining the Eucharist for a sacrilegious purpose.."  While other people may disagree, handing out the Eucharist when you aren't eligible to do while also handing it out to people who aren't eligible for it counts as a sacrilegious act.

If he had only spoke out about ordaining women, they probably would have been able to suspend him but not excommunicate him.  Since he boned up his priestly duties as well, he provided them everything they needed for excommunication.
 
2014-01-06 12:52:33 AM

Darth_Lukecash: The My Little Pony Killer: But what has he done lately with his pedophile priest committee? Any progress there?

No?

Pope orders Bishops to punish Pedophile Priests

As I've stated before: Pope is making changes... Baby steps.


Oh my gosh, he's talking a big game about it.

The same thing he was doing the previous time he addressed the matter. Baby steps, sure, but at least try to do something other than walk in place, eh?
 
2014-01-06 12:54:24 AM

simplicimus: Catholicism isn't a cult.


Bullshiat.
 
2014-01-06 12:59:47 AM

capn' fun: The My Little Pony Killer: But what has he done lately with his pedophile priest committee? Any progress there?

No?

http://www.breakingchristiannews.com/articles/display_art.html?ID=120 7 8">http://www.breakingchristiannews.com/articles/display_art.html?ID= 1207 8


Cool. What has he done about the known pedophile priests? You know, the ones the church systematically and purposefully moved in order to avoid legal charges for their crimes?
 
2014-01-06 01:12:13 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: simplicimus: Catholicism isn't a cult.

Bullshiat.


Why so? You're free to leave at anytime. There's no secret knowledge to be be had. Doctrine is publicly available. Donate if you wish. How is this a cult?
 
2014-01-06 01:53:42 AM

nulluspixiusdemonica: PaulRB: Every non-religious type commenting about this Pope has showered his with praise.

Unsubstantiated carp.

He's part of the problem, not the solution - regardless of how vociferous his PR team is being of late.


Thou dost protest too much.

I'm not sure whats worse, the atheist types who go on and on about how great Pope Francis is for throwing Catholic doctrines they dislike in the trash(which isn't happening), or the ones who go on about him being the same old, same old(so what are you so scared of?).  It can't be both; better yet you could always just go live this great faithless life you profess to be so spectacular, without talking about, you know, faith.

To be clear, don't expect policies to be overturned anytime soon; do expect a warmer face than Pope Benedict, and a younger man than Pope John Paul II of the late 90's-early 2000's.  By outreach he means education on why we believe the things we do, and an invitation to become part of the church if one can abide by them.
 
2014-01-06 01:59:36 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Lsherm: Lydia_C: Good grief, I haven't heard that business about fasting an hour before taking the Eucharist since the early 70s. How ancient is this priest???

Uh, the rules haven't changed.

Also, since communion doesn't occur until 45 minutes into the mass and you're presumably taking some time to get to church, most people manage to adhere to it without any trouble at all.  I know America is a fat country, but if you people can't manage to stop eating on your way to church, maybe you should reassess your dietary habits.

We used to have a priest who could get you in and out of a daily mass in 25 minutes.


My local parish has everyone out the door in 45, for the smaller early mass, and I feel like thats pretty quick.  25 minutes must have been speed reading.

Given how much of a pain ADD is, I kinda dig it.  Sitting still for an hour and 15 minutes is tough.  As my public HS English teacher said about topic paragraphs, it should be like a woman's skirt; long enough to cover the subject, and short enough to keep it interesting.
 
2014-01-06 02:13:43 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Interesting. It's hard to keep it up, the politically correct speech. He hasn't expressed a different stance, generally - he's just said things in a nicer way. But he's still excommunicated a priest for encouraging women's ordination, said "no way" to acceptance of gay marriage, and continued the line that pedophile priests who confess their sin and repent are not necessarily "corrupt" and should be forgiven and let loose again.


So Tim Minchin's The Pope Song still holds true.
 
2014-01-06 08:43:05 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Jesus:  "Finally, someone actually gets it!"


He seems to have asked himself the red letter question:  What if Jesus actually meant what he said?*

*yes I know historically Jesus may or may not have said some or all of those things, but it's still a good message
 
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2014-01-06 09:40:44 AM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: Benevolent Misanthrope: Lsherm: Lydia_C: Good grief, I haven't heard that business about fasting an hour before taking the Eucharist since the early 70s. How ancient is this priest???

Uh, the rules haven't changed.

Also, since communion doesn't occur until 45 minutes into the mass and you're presumably taking some time to get to church, most people manage to adhere to it without any trouble at all.  I know America is a fat country, but if you people can't manage to stop eating on your way to church, maybe you should reassess your dietary habits.

We used to have a priest who could get you in and out of a daily mass in 25 minutes.

My local parish has everyone out the door in 45, for the smaller early mass, and I feel like thats pretty quick.  25 minutes must have been speed reading.

Given how much of a pain ADD is, I kinda dig it.  Sitting still for an hour and 15 minutes is tough.  As my public HS English teacher said about topic paragraphs, it should be like a woman's skirt; long enough to cover the subject, and short enough to keep it interesting.


"That's sexist"
fixingtheeconomists.files.wordpress.com

/sorry, this thread needed some levity
//somebody tell a joke...
 
2014-01-06 10:21:43 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: We used to have a priest who could get you in and out of a daily mass in 25 minutes.


Lsherm: Lydia_C: Good grief, I haven't heard that business about fasting an hour before taking the Eucharist since the early 70s. How ancient is this priest???

Uh, the rules haven't changed.

Also, since communion doesn't occur until 45 minutes into the mass and you're presumably taking some time to get to church, most people manage to adhere to it without any trouble at all.  I know America is a fat country, but if you people can't manage to stop eating on your way to church, maybe you should reassess your dietary habits.


Benevolent Misanthrope: We used to have a priest who could get you in and out of a daily mass in 25 minutes.


One college schoolmate remembered a priest doing a 20-minute Mass for her band.

Growing up, we'd have Masses in 30 minutes or less, so there would be serious fudge time when your fast should start.

These days, it's not unusual to have Communion at the top of the hour. Maybe "stretching it" was a way to cover the hour fast.
 
2014-01-06 02:31:29 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Benevolent Misanthrope: We used to have a priest who could get you in and out of a daily mass in 25 minutes.

Lsherm: Lydia_C: Good grief, I haven't heard that business about fasting an hour before taking the Eucharist since the early 70s. How ancient is this priest???

Uh, the rules haven't changed.

Also, since communion doesn't occur until 45 minutes into the mass and you're presumably taking some time to get to church, most people manage to adhere to it without any trouble at all.  I know America is a fat country, but if you people can't manage to stop eating on your way to church, maybe you should reassess your dietary habits.

Benevolent Misanthrope: We used to have a priest who could get you in and out of a daily mass in 25 minutes.

One college schoolmate remembered a priest doing a 20-minute Mass for her band.

Growing up, we'd have Masses in 30 minutes or less, so there would be serious fudge time when your fast should start.

These days, it's not unusual to have Communion at the top of the hour. Maybe "stretching it" was a way to cover the hour fast.


Well, the timing is not always an issue, but there are medical issues that require fairly strict schedules for eating. Let's just say changing from a 20 minute to 45 minute difference could be a problem to a diabetic.
 
2014-01-06 04:24:46 PM

Evil Canadian: OtherLittleGuy: Benevolent Misanthrope: We used to have a priest who could get you in and out of a daily mass in 25 minutes.

Lsherm: Lydia_C: Good grief, I haven't heard that business about fasting an hour before taking the Eucharist since the early 70s. How ancient is this priest???

Uh, the rules haven't changed.

Also, since communion doesn't occur until 45 minutes into the mass and you're presumably taking some time to get to church, most people manage to adhere to it without any trouble at all.  I know America is a fat country, but if you people can't manage to stop eating on your way to church, maybe you should reassess your dietary habits.

Benevolent Misanthrope: We used to have a priest who could get you in and out of a daily mass in 25 minutes.

One college schoolmate remembered a priest doing a 20-minute Mass for her band.

Growing up, we'd have Masses in 30 minutes or less, so there would be serious fudge time when your fast should start.

These days, it's not unusual to have Communion at the top of the hour. Maybe "stretching it" was a way to cover the hour fast.

Well, the timing is not always an issue, but there are medical issues that require fairly strict schedules for eating. Let's just say changing from a 20 minute to 45 minute difference could be a problem to a diabetic.


Yeah, but then it doesn't apply because it's for medical reasons.
 
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