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2014-01-05 09:35:18 AM
Jesus:  "Finally, someone actually gets it!"
 
2014-01-05 09:40:32 AM
And I'm still saying next election cycle we'll have at least two GOTP candidates bring out the Protestant view that the line of the Papacy will bring about the anti-Christ

/surprised they aren't calling them papists already.
 
2014-01-05 09:43:16 AM
Religious conservatives are really starting to hate this guy.
 
2014-01-05 09:48:43 AM
It's not the children's fault that their parents are filthy heathen sinners.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2014-01-05 10:49:27 AM

pueblonative: And I'm still saying next election cycle we'll have at least two GOTP candidates bring out the Protestant view that the line of the Papacy will bring about the anti-Christ

/surprised they aren't calling them papists already.


This was discussed before Francis was even selected.  I'm not joking..

"Is Pope Francis the final pope?
That is too early to tell for sure.  But if he is, he will be an antipope and the final Antichrist."
 
2014-01-05 11:00:44 AM
If this offends their traditionalists, their traditions are farking stupid.
 
2014-01-05 11:03:45 AM

ManateeGag: It's not the children's fault that their parents are filthy heathen sinners.


Funny thing is, that line would work very well with religious conservatives.  They'd feel oh so sorry for the children, and be totally for any efforts to help them succeed in life.

Swap "filthy heathen sinners" for "undocumented immigrant", however, and they'll trip over themselves trying to throw the kids under the church bus.
 
2014-01-05 11:09:55 AM

NFA: pueblonative: And I'm still saying next election cycle we'll have at least two GOTP candidates bring out the Protestant view that the line of the Papacy will bring about the anti-Christ

/surprised they aren't calling them papists already.

This was discussed before Francis was even selected.  I'm not joking..

"Is Pope Francis the final pope?
That is too early to tell for sure.  But if he is, he will be an antipope and the final Antichrist."


I know, I just can't wait for Rick Perry to trot it out during a debate.  Double lulz if Santorum ends up on the ticket with him.
 
2014-01-05 11:48:20 AM
You know how I can tell he's a good Pope? My nominally-Catholic, FoxNews-quoting, GOP-voting, Idiot Brother-In-Law hates him.
 
2014-01-05 12:02:34 PM
I find it interesting that he has shifted his message a bit and allowed us to hear the kinds of things that are usually reserved for the closed portions of conferences.  Usually, he would say, "Spiritual needs vary from person to person.  We have to respect them and accept them into a loving Church, no matter what their background."  Instead, he said, "We're losing market share - we have to figure out a way to keep them in the pews.  Let's be careful not to advertise in a way that shoots us in the foot."

Interesting.  It's hard to keep it up, the politically correct speech.  He hasn't expressed a different stance, generally - he's just said things in a nicer way.  But he's still excommunicated a priest for encouraging women's ordination, said "no way" to acceptance of gay marriage, and continued the line that pedophile priests who confess their sin and repent are not necessarily "corrupt" and should be forgiven and let loose again.

So, yeah.  Nice guy, and he's certainly a breath of fresh air, but not seeing anything new here.
 
2014-01-05 12:18:28 PM
F*ck me, at this rate the Church might end up being tolerant of nearly everyone!
 
2014-01-05 12:31:07 PM
Good.
 
2014-01-05 12:45:37 PM

DeltaPunch: F*ck me, at this rate the Church might end up being tolerant of nearly everyone!


Ummm.... no.  Still excommunicating priests who encourage women to be ordained, still saying "HELL no" do acceptane of gay marriage, still saying pedophile priests who go to confession and therapy are okay to still be moved around...

Not accepting.  Just nicer about it.
 
2014-01-05 12:52:02 PM
fta "We must be careful not to administer a vaccine against faith to them," the 77-year-old added.

That would be a welcome change in policy.
 
2014-01-05 01:06:07 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: But he's still excommunicated a priest for encouraging women's ordination,


That priest didn't just encourage women's ordination, he resigned and  started his own church that ordained women, married gay couples, presided over a mass in his new church where a parishioner gave communion to a dog, and in general fulfilled just about every single thing you could possibly do to get excommunicated.

You are not allowed to start your own church and still be a Roman Catholic priest.  It's one of the big no-no's.  The only people pretending to be shocked that he was booted are Protestants.
 
2014-01-05 01:21:14 PM

Lsherm: You are not allowed to start your own church and still be a Roman Catholic priest.  It's one of the big no-no's.  The only people pretending to be shocked that he was booted are Protestants


You mean heathens.
 
2014-01-05 01:24:04 PM

chirho.me



/Oblig
//They see him Pope-in'....They hatin'.
 
2014-01-05 01:26:00 PM
Wait, divorced kids need to excommunicated? When did that start?
 
2014-01-05 01:26:12 PM
That's the kind of talk that usually gets the guys in the pointy hats a sudden fatal illness. Better add this guy to my death pool.
 
2014-01-05 01:28:15 PM

NFA: pueblonative: And I'm still saying next election cycle we'll have at least two GOTP candidates bring out the Protestant view that the line of the Papacy will bring about the anti-Christ

/surprised they aren't calling them papists already.

This was discussed before Francis was even selected.  I'm not joking..

"Is Pope Francis the final pope?
That is too early to tell for sure.  But if he is, he will be an antipope and the final Antichrist."


The derp is strong in this one.
 
2014-01-05 01:28:46 PM
Popey McAwesomepope strikes again.
 
2014-01-05 01:31:52 PM
on the one hand he has changed the catholic church for the better on the other hand I'm not really sure it's a good thing that the church stay relevant.  It'd almost be better if they stayed as blatantly corrupt as they were.
 
2014-01-05 01:34:22 PM
Curious to see if a Franciscan gets a serious shot in the next presidential primaries. I better order did popcorn in bulk just incase.
 
2014-01-05 01:38:30 PM
i.imgur.com

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2014-01-05 01:38:34 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: DeltaPunch: F*ck me, at this rate the Church might end up being tolerant of nearly everyone!

Ummm.... no.  Still excommunicating priests who encourage women to be ordained, still saying "HELL no" do acceptane of gay marriage, still saying pedophile priests who go to confession and therapy are okay to still be moved around...

Not accepting.  Just nicer about it.




You are looking at this as an outsider. What seems to be little shifts to you is seismic for the Catholic Church. This man is a continent mover!

As a former Catholic, I can tell you that Confession only works if you are sincere and actually change. You are to be forgiven, as Jesus said, even being a child molester.

Before, it would just ignore the kid and move the priest. The fact is if the pope gets the guy therapy and moves them away from kids is a significant improvement.

Now if only the other religions, such as Hasidic, Orthodox Jews and evangelicals would take the same responsibility.
 
2014-01-05 01:38:36 PM

Plant Rights Activist: on the one hand he has changed the catholic church for the better on the other hand I'm not really sure it's a good thing that the church stay relevant.  It'd almost be better if they stayed as blatantly corrupt as they were.


[citation needed]
 
2014-01-05 01:40:12 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: I find it interesting that he has shifted his message a bit and allowed us to hear the kinds of things that are usually reserved for the closed portions of conferences.  Usually, he would say, "Spiritual needs vary from person to person.  We have to respect them and accept them into a loving Church, no matter what their background."  Instead, he said, "We're losing market share - we have to figure out a way to keep them in the pews.  Let's be careful not to advertise in a way that shoots us in the foot."

Interesting.  It's hard to keep it up, the politically correct speech.  He hasn't expressed a different stance, generally - he's just said things in a nicer way.  But he's still excommunicated a priest for encouraging women's ordination, said "no way" to acceptance of gay marriage, and continued the line that pedophile priests who confess their sin and repent are not necessarily "corrupt" and should be forgiven and let loose again.

So, yeah.  Nice guy, and he's certainly a breath of fresh air, but not seeing anything new here.


^^^^All of that^^^^
 
2014-01-05 01:40:35 PM
he's Popin'  hard and I love him.
 
2014-01-05 01:40:55 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: DeltaPunch: F*ck me, at this rate the Church might end up being tolerant of nearly everyone!

Ummm.... no.  Still excommunicating priests who encourage women to be ordained, still saying "HELL no" do acceptane of gay marriage, still saying pedophile priests who go to confession and therapy are okay to still be moved around...

Not accepting.  Just nicer about it.


www.thatsnotdelicious.com

What happens if he does all this other stuff you're asking for? People already think he's going to be assassinated fpr what he has done so far, trying to take on the rest of your church isn't exactly a cakewalk.
 
2014-01-05 01:44:02 PM

ManateeGag: It's not the children's fault that their parents are filthy heathen sinners.


And even if they're sinners, isn't the goal of Christianity to help them repeat their sins and bring them back in to the fold?
 
2014-01-05 01:44:10 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Plant Rights Activist: on the one hand he has changed the catholic church for the better on the other hand I'm not really sure it's a good thing that the church stay relevant.  It'd almost be better if they stayed as blatantly corrupt as they were.

[citation needed]


At least he changed the public image for the better.  Not sure if it's for real but I don't think that really matters for most people.
 
2014-01-05 01:45:38 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: DeltaPunch:

Ummm.... no.  Still excommunicating priests who encourage women to be ordained, still saying "HELL no" do acceptane of gay marriage, still saying pedophile priests who go to confession and therapy are okay to still be moved around...

Not accepting.  Just nicer about it.


Exactly this.

People are tripping all over themselves about how awesome the new era of the Catholic Church is, but none one single official dogma/policy has been changed by this guy, nor can it be since ALL the Popes speak for God, he can't say God was wrong.

He's the ultimate PR machine, and maybe he really is a good guy, but he's actually changed nothing about what the Church believes, preaches or practices.

When he does that, THEN people should be excited, until then he's just a politician kissing babies and making speeches.

He still doesn't believe these children are legitimate, or from legitimate marriages, nor does his organization.
 
2014-01-05 01:46:28 PM
Said it before and bears repeating, this is yet another one of those strange intersections where Fark poster are pretty much exactly on point in agreement with FreeRepublic posters. They don't not view the Church with suspicion and distrust, like Fark does, but they do wholeheartedly recognize the genuine spirit of Francis' actions to live by Jesus's own words and lead by example, and they approve. They even reject the right-wing loonytunes spin on Francis (the 'he's a maaaaaaarxist' line among others).

the Francis threads on Freep are far better informed, theologically, I have to say tho. Lot of practicing, engaged Catholics on the site.
 
2014-01-05 01:47:28 PM
I consider myself a recovering catholic.  And this guy actually is making me start liking the church again.
 
2014-01-05 01:48:07 PM
Wake up sheeple! Do your own research. This is just his plan to get more vulnerable children to church because they're easier to molest.
 
2014-01-05 01:49:18 PM

Ubiquitous homeless guy: Exactly this.

People are tripping all over themselves about how awesome the new era of the Catholic Church is, but none one single official dogma/policy has been changed by this guy, nor can it be since ALL the Popes speak for God, he can't say God was wrong.

He's the ultimate PR machine, and maybe he really is a good guy, but he's actually changed nothing about what the Church believes, preaches or practices.

When he does that, THEN people should be excited, until then he's just a politician kissing babies and making speeches.

He still doesn't believe these children are legitimate, or from legitimate marriages, nor does his organization


Wrong.

The only time the Pope speaks "for God" is when he is speaking ex cathdra, from the chair.  This is only used in matters of doctrine which have nothing to do with most social issues.
 
2014-01-05 01:50:43 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Plant Rights Activist: on the one hand he has changed the catholic church for the better on the other hand I'm not really sure it's a good thing that the church stay relevant.  It'd almost be better if they stayed as blatantly corrupt as they were.

[citation needed]


Considering the Pope is selected from a pool of celibate Latin-speaking geriatric men, I would consider his accomplishments pretty substantial.
 
2014-01-05 01:50:43 PM

NFA: pueblonative: And I'm still saying next election cycle we'll have at least two GOTP candidates bring out the Protestant view that the line of the Papacy will bring about the anti-Christ

/surprised they aren't calling them papists already.

This was discussed before Francis was even selected.  I'm not joking..

"Is Pope Francis the final pope?
That is too early to tell for sure.  But if he is, he will be an antipope and the final Antichrist."


But I'm sure I already heard more than one Republitard  swearthat Obama is already the Antichrist. Or can there be multiple Antichrists, as implied when you refer to the "final" one above?
 
2014-01-05 01:52:16 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Plant Rights Activist: on the one hand he has changed the catholic church for the better on the other hand I'm not really sure it's a good thing that the church stay relevant.  It'd almost be better if they stayed as blatantly corrupt as they were.

[citation needed]


C'mon, you've seen the citations in previous threads. Cleaning up the Vatican Bank, handing all pedophile reports to local authorities, admonishing extravagant Bishops, etc.
 
2014-01-05 01:52:29 PM
WippitGuud:
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What happens if he does all this other stuff you're asking for? People already think he's going to be assassinated fpr what he has done so far, trying to take on the rest of your church isn't exactly a cakewalk.


Thank you, well put.

Francisi is head of the Catholic Church, not the Unitarian Universalists.. Give him credit when he makes steps in the right direction.
 
2014-01-05 01:52:46 PM
Holy carp! He's calling a synod next year! Hell, it could turn into a council. It's really happening; he's actually going to change ALL of the things....
 
2014-01-05 01:52:47 PM
As an atheist, I find this Pope to be inspiring. Like a boss, indeed.
 
2014-01-05 01:53:38 PM
Christ Almighty...all Frankie needs to do is make it Church policy that gay people aren't necessarily sinners and heathens, and I might actually start going back to mass.

/Born and raised Catholic
//Stopped going to mass just before I came out
 
2014-01-05 01:54:10 PM
But what has he done lately with his pedophile priest committee? Any progress there?

No?
 
2014-01-05 01:55:09 PM

zulius: Wait, divorced kids need to excommunicated? When did that start?


Never.
 
2014-01-05 01:57:15 PM

maram500: Christ Almighty...all Frankie needs to do is make it Church policy that gay people aren't necessarily sinners and heathens, and I might actually start going back to mass.

/Born and raised Catholic
//Stopped going to mass just before I came out


Well, gay people who don't have sex aren't sinners. Not that that's much help.
 
2014-01-05 01:57:29 PM
How dare he not condemn the innocent victims of there parents ass-hatery.
 
2014-01-05 01:58:35 PM
If you throw away perfectly good children of divorce and gay marriage, where are you going to get new child labour to staff all of those church laundries and choirs?

There simply isn't enough abandonment of bastard children any more to meet demand.

The Church needs to embrace its unholy devil spawn.

You see, as a atheist, I see that this new pope is a Good Catholic. He is not saying anything radical. He is charitable and kindly but he is toeing the age old Party Line more than you might think.

But as a Good Catholic, he may very well prove to be a Bad Person. The road to Hell is broad and easy and paved with asphalt according to John Milton's Paradise Lost, but with good intentions according to most less liberal and less Puritanical Protestant authorities.

Yes, the Pope is opening hearts and arms to the vulnerable, the marginal and the poor, but that doesn't mean that the Church is pure and chaste and has succeeded in expelling the conservatives, who are a bunch of Pharisees and Sadducees and Zealots.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. If I were a Roman Catholic, I'd be a farking Gallican Catholic or possibly even a Liberal Anglo-Catholic.

In my experience, changing your religion doesn't actually change you (much). I am the same kind of atheist as I would be a liberal Protestant or a Roman Catholic or a Buddhist. Evolution and heredity have a lot more power than dogma and theology.

The Pope is an Italian-Argentine. It shows. He's charitable but conservative, liberal but communitarian. His heritage is Italian and Spanish and Conservative and Liberation Theology all at once. He's a classic Social Democratic Christian.

This confuses people because he can sound like he is saying something new and radical when compared to the German Conservative and the Polish Conservative before him. But the leopard does not change its spots, and the Church moves at glacial speed, although Church lawyers are pretty swift to move in and blame the victims, as any great corporate enterprise must be.
 
2014-01-05 01:59:02 PM
I have no problem with this.  It isn't the child's fault they are under the stewardship of their parents.
 
2014-01-05 02:00:01 PM
I wonder what's going on in the catholic church. There's no way all those medieval-minded, pedophile-enabling old f*ckers can be good with what the new boss is selling. Hard to preach fear and guilt and eternal damnation with this guy spreading love all over the place.  I wonder if he'll even stop shielding  from prosecution the child-molesters they've got hiding out at the Vatican?
 
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