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2014-01-05 10:38:37 AM
Awesome.

I don't care for the stuff, but the illegality of it always seemed the pinnacle of hypocrisy. So this is a fine fine change.

Now if they'll just release everyone who's in jail for possession, I think we'll be covered. At least on that front.
 
2014-01-05 11:06:33 AM
fark drug math is already in effect.

Prices were also increased by the new 25 percent tax -- 15 percent excise and 10 percent sales -- on all marijuana purchases in the state that voters approved in November, along with any other local jurisdictional taxes on top of that. Marijuana sales are expected to generate nearly $70 million in tax revenue for Colorado in 2014.

The state projects nearly $600 million in retail and wholesale marijuana sales annually.
 
2014-01-05 11:10:23 AM

unlikely: Now if they'll just release everyone who's in jail for possession, I think we'll be covered. At least on that front.


While I agree with the sentiment, the people who are jailed for drug crimes knowingly violated the law at the time of the commission of the crime. Making recreational pot legal NOW does not make it legal THEN, too, unless a blanket pardon is issued.
 
2014-01-05 11:27:49 AM

TwistedIvory: unlikely: Now if they'll just release everyone who's in jail for possession, I think we'll be covered. At least on that front.

While I agree with the sentiment, the people who are jailed for drug crimes knowingly violated the law at the time of the commission of the crime. Making recreational pot legal NOW does not make it legal THEN, too, unless a blanket pardon is issued.


Why aren't people who publically admit to smoking marijuana arrested?
 
2014-01-05 11:29:43 AM
Even though I'd never personally touch the stuff, I hope the state gets a massive windfall in taxes. It will be very hard for other states to ignore that.
 
2014-01-05 11:30:59 AM
They accidentally sent in a team of smokejumpers to put out a group of skiers, so yeah, sales of pot is rather brisk.
 
2014-01-05 11:31:36 AM

TwistedIvory: unlikely: Now if they'll just release everyone who's in jail for possession, I think we'll be covered. At least on that front.

While I agree with the sentiment, the people who are jailed for drug crimes knowingly violated the law at the time of the commission of the crime. Making recreational pot legal NOW does not make it legal THEN, too, unless a blanket pardon is issued.


It's not the illegality that is an issue, it's the mandatory sentencing that I have major issues wish.
 
2014-01-05 11:32:05 AM

thismomentinblackhistory: TwistedIvory: unlikely: Now if they'll just release everyone who's in jail for possession, I think we'll be covered. At least on that front.

While I agree with the sentiment, the people who are jailed for drug crimes knowingly violated the law at the time of the commission of the crime. Making recreational pot legal NOW does not make it legal THEN, too, unless a blanket pardon is issued.

Why aren't people who publically admit to smoking marijuana arrested?


If they were arrested they could just claim that they were joking around or saying it for the image, and it isn't worth the time, money, or publicity fallout to go after someone for it.

There have been famous people who have been arrested and charged for marijuana use when they've been stopped by the police and had it on them.
 
2014-01-05 11:32:17 AM

sammyk: fark drug math is already in effect.

Prices were also increased by the new 25 percent tax -- 15 percent excise and 10 percent sales -- on all marijuana purchases in the state that voters approved in November, along with any other local jurisdictional taxes on top of that. Marijuana sales are expected to generate nearly $70 million in tax revenue for Colorado in 2014.

The state projects nearly $600 million in retail and wholesale marijuana sales annually.


OMFG!
That's like $500 BILLION in annual sales!!!!11!
 
2014-01-05 11:34:06 AM

legion_of_doo: sammyk: fark drug math is already in effect.

Prices were also increased by the new 25 percent tax -- 15 percent excise and 10 percent sales -- on all marijuana purchases in the state that voters approved in November, along with any other local jurisdictional taxes on top of that. Marijuana sales are expected to generate nearly $70 million in tax revenue for Colorado in 2014.

The state projects nearly $600 million in retail and wholesale marijuana sales annually.

OMFG!
That's like $500 BILLION in annual sales!!!!11!


Cop math still welcome, I see.
 
2014-01-05 11:34:54 AM

sammyk: fark drug math is already in effect.

Prices were also increased by the new 25 percent tax -- 15 percent excise and 10 percent sales -- on all marijuana purchases in the state that voters approved in November, along with any other local jurisdictional taxes on top of that. Marijuana sales are expected to generate nearly $70 million in tax revenue for Colorado in 2014.

The state projects nearly $600 million in retail and wholesale marijuana sales annually.


What drug math?

Let's work backwards...  70 million in tax revenue at 25% rate means 280 million in retail sales.  (I will assume that they don't count taxes in the sales figure)  Say the retailers add a 50% markup, so the wholesalers are doing roughly $185 million in sales.  Say the wholesalers are adding a 50% markup, so the growers are doing roughly $122 million in sales.  280 + 185 + 122 is $587 million, or nearly 600 million dollars in retail and wholesale sales.
 
2014-01-05 11:37:14 AM
Dude, wait..what?
 
2014-01-05 11:37:19 AM

flucto: Even though I'd never personally touch the stuff, I hope the state gets a massive windfall in taxes. It will be very hard for other states to ignore that.


Exactly, it will be just like gambling. The only way this stops is if the Feds crush it before it spreads to other states.
 
2014-01-05 11:37:42 AM
I haven't gone to a store yet.  I'm waiting for the crowds to die down.

This is one of the Denver stores:
http://www.tgscolorado.com/denver.php

If those prices hold up - even adding taxes - I'll be a happy camper.
 
2014-01-05 11:38:01 AM

flucto: Even though I'd never personally touch the stuff, I hope the state gets a massive windfall in taxes. It will be very hard for other states to ignore that.


Not gonna happen when you can grow your own. The state will get the windfalls just 2 years until everybody that wants to grow will. It's not like it's hard to grow.
 
2014-01-05 11:39:14 AM

thismomentinblackhistory: Why aren't people who publically admit to smoking marijuana arrested?


It's probable cause, but confession is not always sufficient to bring changes. Given the difficulty in  proving the crime after the fact, it's not worth it to arrest someone and bring charges.
 
2014-01-05 11:40:09 AM

mrlewish: flucto: Even though I'd never personally touch the stuff, I hope the state gets a massive windfall in taxes. It will be very hard for other states to ignore that.

Not gonna happen when you can grow your own. The state will get the windfalls just 2 years until everybody that wants to grow will. It's not like it's hard to grow.


You underestimate the slothfulness of your fellow citizens.
 
2014-01-05 11:40:10 AM

mrlewish: flucto: Even though I'd never personally touch the stuff, I hope the state gets a massive windfall in taxes. It will be very hard for other states to ignore that.

Not gonna happen when you can grow your own. The state will get the windfalls just 2 years until everybody that wants to grow will. It's not like it's hard to grow.


Just like how everyone grows their own food and tobacco, while brewing their own beer.
 
2014-01-05 11:40:14 AM
reg9prc.org
 
2014-01-05 11:40:15 AM
I could be very happy with those prices if I lived in CO.

/or, you know, had some vacation time coming up...
 
2014-01-05 11:40:34 AM

TuteTibiImperes: thismomentinblackhistory: TwistedIvory: unlikely: Now if they'll just release everyone who's in jail for possession, I think we'll be covered. At least on that front.

While I agree with the sentiment, the people who are jailed for drug crimes knowingly violated the law at the time of the commission of the crime. Making recreational pot legal NOW does not make it legal THEN, too, unless a blanket pardon is issued.

Why aren't people who publically admit to smoking marijuana arrested?

If they were arrested they could just claim that they were joking around or saying it for the image, and it isn't worth the time, money, or publicity fallout to go after someone for it.

There have been famous people who have been arrested and charged for marijuana use when they've been stopped by the police and had it on them.


They could be arrested and tested though, no?
 
2014-01-05 11:40:51 AM
This is really bad news for Colorado's drug gangs.  Sure they can still sell meth, crack, and a whole host of other drugs, but this has got to put some butthurt to them.  Plus, a major reason so many young kids join gangs is to get the respect they think they are getting from all the guys who come up pretending to like them, while they try to buy drugs. Selling pot earns admiration, in some limited form, from a vast swath across society.  Selling crack gets you the admiration of crackheads.  That's probably not as fun if you are a teenage boy thinking of dropping out of school to become a full time drug dealer.
 
2014-01-05 11:41:27 AM

thismomentinblackhistory: TuteTibiImperes: thismomentinblackhistory: TwistedIvory: unlikely: Now if they'll just release everyone who's in jail for possession, I think we'll be covered. At least on that front.

While I agree with the sentiment, the people who are jailed for drug crimes knowingly violated the law at the time of the commission of the crime. Making recreational pot legal NOW does not make it legal THEN, too, unless a blanket pardon is issued.

Why aren't people who publically admit to smoking marijuana arrested?

If they were arrested they could just claim that they were joking around or saying it for the image, and it isn't worth the time, money, or publicity fallout to go after someone for it.

There have been famous people who have been arrested and charged for marijuana use when they've been stopped by the police and had it on them.

They could be arrested and tested though, no?


Being high isn't illegal, except in certain situations. Possession is.
 
2014-01-05 11:41:41 AM

TwistedIvory: unlikely: Now if they'll just release everyone who's in jail for possession, I think we'll be covered. At least on that front.

While I agree with the sentiment, the people who are jailed for drug crimes knowingly violated the law at the time of the commission of the crime. Making recreational pot legal NOW does not make it legal THEN, too, unless a blanket pardon is issued.


But they knowingly violated a law that we now admit was stupid and has been repealed. They're still alive, which makes for a great opportunity to set things straight. Keeping them in jail at taxpayer expense as a matter of principle is pretty dumb, especially when we as a society have agreed that particular principle is baseless.

It's like keeping slaves in jail for escape attempts after emancipation.
 
2014-01-05 11:42:12 AM

Clemkadidlefark: [reg9prc.org image 216x280]


blogs.sfweekly.com
 
2014-01-05 11:43:33 AM
Why aren't people who publically admit to smoking marijuana arrested?

Habeas corpus. Unless the roach is still around, there was no crime.
 
2014-01-05 11:43:52 AM

TwistedIvory: unlikely: Now if they'll just release everyone who's in jail for possession, I think we'll be covered. At least on that front.

While I agree with the sentiment, the people who are jailed for drug crimes knowingly violated the law at the time of the commission of the crime. Making recreational pot legal NOW does not make it legal THEN, too, unless a blanket pardon is issued.


I'm okay with a blanket pardon.

/never arrested.  bought legal weed the other day.  stoned off my ass
 
2014-01-05 11:44:21 AM

t3knomanser: thismomentinblackhistory: Why aren't people who publically admit to smoking marijuana arrested?

It's probable cause, but confession is not always sufficient to bring changes. Given the difficulty in  proving the crime after the fact, it's not worth it to arrest someone and bring charges.


Yet in many states one can be charged with driving under the influence of marijuana for a positive drug test result because THC can be detected for days, weeks, and sometimes months after use. Much longer than cocaine.
 
2014-01-05 11:45:23 AM

Shakin_Haitian: thismomentinblackhistory: TuteTibiImperes: thismomentinblackhistory: TwistedIvory: unlikely: Now if they'll just release everyone who's in jail for possession, I think we'll be covered. At least on that front.

While I agree with the sentiment, the people who are jailed for drug crimes knowingly violated the law at the time of the commission of the crime. Making recreational pot legal NOW does not make it legal THEN, too, unless a blanket pardon is issued.

Why aren't people who publically admit to smoking marijuana arrested?

If they were arrested they could just claim that they were joking around or saying it for the image, and it isn't worth the time, money, or publicity fallout to go after someone for it.

There have been famous people who have been arrested and charged for marijuana use when they've been stopped by the police and had it on them.

They could be arrested and tested though, no?

Being high isn't illegal, except in certain situations. Possession is.


Public intox.
 
2014-01-05 11:46:30 AM

2wolves: mrlewish: flucto: Even though I'd never personally touch the stuff, I hope the state gets a massive windfall in taxes. It will be very hard for other states to ignore that.

Not gonna happen when you can grow your own. The state will get the windfalls just 2 years until everybody that wants to grow will. It's not like it's hard to grow.

You underestimate the slothfulness of your fellow citizens.


Exactly. You can brew all the beer you can drink, vint all the wine you can drink, perfectly legally and without paying one red cent in taxes to do so, yet only a tiny sliver of 1% ever do so. The rest hump home a 6-pack for the weekend, and pot will be the same...people will buy it.
 
2014-01-05 11:47:01 AM
Good work, Colorado. The azzholes who trumpet that the USA stands for freedom are the first to get hysterical about marijuana.
 
2014-01-05 11:47:09 AM

GanjSmokr: I haven't gone to a store yet.  I'm waiting for the crowds to die down.

This is one of the Denver stores:
http://www.tgscolorado.com/denver.php

If those prices hold up - even adding taxes - I'll be a happy camper.


It's pretty neat to see prices listed like that just like you'd see at a wings place or something.

/Mmmmm....Wings.
 
2014-01-05 11:47:19 AM

mrlewish: flucto: Even though I'd never personally touch the stuff, I hope the state gets a massive windfall in taxes. It will be very hard for other states to ignore that.

Not gonna happen when you can grow your own. The state will get the windfalls just 2 years until everybody that wants to grow will. It's not like it's hard to grow.


It isn't hard to grow, and the moment that Maryland legalized it I'm going to dedicate some square footage in one of my gardens, but I don't see how your assertion holds up.

We still buy some veggies despite my growing of them. For that matter, growing veggies are perfectly legal yet the vast majority of people don't do it and buy theirs at the store. I still buy beer even though I have a homebrew kit. Home brewing is legal yet the vast majority of people buy their beer at the store.

If I grow my own pot I could still see myself buying it sometimes - like before my crop is ready for harvest. Americans like convenience, and not everyone has the space, patience, skill or desire to grow their own anything. Most people will just buy it.
 
2014-01-05 11:47:23 AM

Mister Peejay: sammyk: fark drug math is already in effect.

Prices were also increased by the new 25 percent tax -- 15 percent excise and 10 percent sales -- on all marijuana purchases in the state that voters approved in November, along with any other local jurisdictional taxes on top of that. Marijuana sales are expected to generate nearly $70 million in tax revenue for Colorado in 2014.

The state projects nearly $600 million in retail and wholesale marijuana sales annually.

What drug math?

Let's work backwards...  70 million in tax revenue at 25% rate means 280 million in retail sales.  (I will assume that they don't count taxes in the sales figure)  Say the retailers add a 50% markup, so the wholesalers are doing roughly $185 million in sales.  Say the wholesalers are adding a 50% markup, so the growers are doing roughly $122 million in sales.  280 + 185 + 122 is $587 million, or nearly 600 million dollars in retail and wholesale sales.


Honestly, the article doesn't really explain how the taxes work well enough to understand the math. Are the excise taxes applied to wholesale and retail transactions? I just assumed *stupid* because 25% of $600,000,000 is $150m, not $70m.
 
2014-01-05 11:48:34 AM

thismomentinblackhistory: t3knomanser: thismomentinblackhistory: Why aren't people who publically admit to smoking marijuana arrested?

It's probable cause, but confession is not always sufficient to bring changes. Given the difficulty in  proving the crime after the fact, it's not worth it to arrest someone and bring charges.

Yet in many states one can be charged with driving under the influence of marijuana for a positive drug test result because THC can be detected for days, weeks, and sometimes months after use. Much longer than cocaine.


That's a sticky issue that's going to have to be addressed.  Testing for THC metabolites doesn't test to see if you're currently impaired - just if you've used at all in a semi-recent time frame.  It would be like DUI checkpoints doing hair testing to see if you've been drinking at all in the last few months instead of a breathylizer to see if you're drunk now.

There will need to be an accurate test developed and widely adopted that tests only current active THC intoxication (preferably something cheap enough that users can buy to test themselves before they drive) and some research done to determine what level of THC in the bloodstream is considered the .08 BAC equivalent.
 
2014-01-05 11:49:29 AM

mrlewish: flucto: Even though I'd never personally touch the stuff, I hope the state gets a massive windfall in taxes. It will be very hard for other states to ignore that.

Not gonna happen when you can grow your own. The state will get the windfalls just 2 years until everybody that wants to grow will. It's not like it's hard to grow.


I can barely keep a cactus alive but I tried growing anyway.  I was somewhat successful but it really is something you have to stay on top of (at least the method I was using is).  At the time, it was more work than I was willing to give for what I ended up getting.  I might try again since I still have all the equipment but if the legal prices hold, walking into a store is going to be more attractive than keeping a grow operation going.

Just like I don't brew my own beer, grow my own tomatoes, or raise chickens.  It isn't all that hard to do those things, but it's still more work than I want to expend to get those goods.


tl;dr Some will grow, but most people are lazy so I don't think it will be enough to hurt the tax income.
 
2014-01-05 11:49:36 AM

Some Coke Drinking Guy: This is really bad news for Colorado's drug gangs.


The diversity of illegal products the drug gangs like to traffic is enough that taking one thing out of their lineup isn't enough to kill the whole business. Besides, most of the pot dealers I've know were only in distribution so they could have a consistent supply and make an income while not having to pass a piss test.
 
2014-01-05 11:50:05 AM
what kind of ditch weed are all these "legal weed is very expensive" comparing the domestically grown dispensary product to?
 
2014-01-05 11:50:35 AM

sammyk: fark drug math is already in effect.

Prices were also increased by the new 25 percent tax -- 15 percent excise and 10 percent sales -- on all marijuana purchases in the state that voters approved in November, along with any other local jurisdictional taxes on top of that. Marijuana sales are expected to generate nearly $70 million in tax revenue for Colorado in 2014.

The state projects nearly $600 million in retail and wholesale marijuana sales annually.


Maybe the extra $20 million in revenue is from calculating effective tax?  Payroll tax doesn't pay for itself.

/tax math is filthier than cop math
 
2014-01-05 11:51:38 AM

Sugarbombs: sammyk: fark drug math is already in effect.

Prices were also increased by the new 25 percent tax -- 15 percent excise and 10 percent sales -- on all marijuana purchases in the state that voters approved in November, along with any other local jurisdictional taxes on top of that. Marijuana sales are expected to generate nearly $70 million in tax revenue for Colorado in 2014.

The state projects nearly $600 million in retail and wholesale marijuana sales annually.

Maybe the extra $20 million in revenue is from calculating effective tax?  Payroll tax doesn't pay for itself.

/tax math is filthier than cop math


So much so that I just confused myself.  I'll stick with the 1040EZ this year.
 
2014-01-05 11:52:08 AM
I'm not trying to be a dick but this whole "as long as it was in the past -- shenanigans, I tell you!" crap from pundits and politicians is really wearing thin when regular people are sitting in jail cells right now for the same thing.

Substitute DUI for weed -- that would be a different ball game, right? "I used to drive drunk." Nobody is stepping up to say that.
 
2014-01-05 11:52:09 AM
the legal stores are just tourist traps.
$50 for an eighth!  No lie...I get that people in like... Shreveport might dig that price.  But Colorado?  Hell, I didn't even pay that much in Iowa last time I was there.The retail stores are for idiots and tourists.  They offer everything the medical side has at a 33% markup (on average thus far).  Grow your own with your friends!  That's the best part of the law.  Medical cards have essentially just turned into a "Colorado Resident Discount" card.
 
2014-01-05 11:52:49 AM
Reprehensible.
 
2014-01-05 11:53:27 AM
Stone Meadow

Brewing beer or wine takes a lot of work and expensive equipment, and the results are unpredictable.

Marijuana grows like a weed, mostly because it is a weed.
 
2014-01-05 11:54:04 AM
 
2014-01-05 11:54:56 AM

mrlewish: flucto: Even though I'd never personally touch the stuff, I hope the state gets a massive windfall in taxes. It will be very hard for other states to ignore that.

Not gonna happen when you can grow your own. The state will get the windfalls just 2 years until everybody that wants to grow will. It's not like it's hard to grow.


People can also grow their own vegetables, most people don't. Not everyone wants to dedicate an entire room in their home to growing pot and anything you would get from an outdoor grow is inferior to the product available in the stores.
 
2014-01-05 11:58:15 AM

ddaug4uf: Why aren't people who publically admit to smoking marijuana arrested?

Habeas corpus. Unless the roach is still around, there was no crime.


Corpus delecti.

And you need probable cause to arrest.
 
2014-01-05 11:59:18 AM

10up: the legal stores are just tourist traps.
$50 for an eighth!  No lie...I get that people in like... Shreveport might dig that price.  But Colorado?  Hell, I didn't even pay that much in Iowa last time I was there.The retail stores are for idiots and tourists.  They offer everything the medical side has at a 33% markup (on average thus far).  Grow your own with your friends!  That's the best part of the law.  Medical cards have essentially just turned into a "Colorado Resident Discount" card.


What's the worth of your time and space you'd have to devote to a grow op?  How bout the cost of the lights, hydro equipment, fertilizers, seeds/starter-plants, etc?  It's been pointed out numerous times already - you can grow your own vegetables, brew your own beer, or even make your own wine legally, but most people can't be bothered.  The retail shops offer a convenience that many people will pay for.  Plus, I can see a lot of people not wanting to get medical cards because then their name is associated with weed 'in the system'.

AFAIK buying on the street is still illegal in CO, so I could see CO law enforcement starting to crack down on street/unlicensed dealers now as a tax revenue protection measure.

thismomentinblackhistory: I'm not trying to be a dick but this whole "as long as it was in the past -- shenanigans, I tell you!" crap from pundits and politicians is really wearing thin when regular people are sitting in jail cells right now for the same thing.

Substitute DUI for weed -- that would be a different ball game, right? "I used to drive drunk." Nobody is stepping up to say that.


DUI isn't the same as using marijuana.  You can smoke marijuana without driving high just like you can drink alcohol without driving drunk.
 
2014-01-05 11:59:19 AM

Kevin72: Stone Meadow

Brewing beer or wine takes a lot of work and expensive equipment, and the results are unpredictable.

Marijuana grows like a weed, mostly because it is a weed.


They make hooch in prison without expensive equipment.
 
2014-01-05 12:00:22 PM

ddaug4uf: Why aren't people who publically admit to smoking marijuana arrested?

Habeas corpus. Unless the roach is still around, there was no crime.


I think you mean habeus dilecti. You definitely don't mean habeus corpus.
 
2014-01-05 12:00:56 PM
so how many plants do they allow you to grow at once?
 
2014-01-05 12:02:10 PM

wildcardjack: Some Coke Drinking Guy: This is really bad news for Colorado's drug gangs.

The diversity of illegal products the drug gangs like to traffic is enough that taking one thing out of their lineup isn't enough to kill the whole business. Besides, most of the pot dealers I've know were only in distribution so they could have a consistent supply and make an income while not having to pass a piss test.


The problem with that is in the math. Seriously, you should check out how the percentage of drug use breaks down. It's basically all marijuana, a distant second is prescription drug use and all hard drugs put together are a tiny, tiny fraction of American drug use. Hard drug stories get a lot of coverage, but the reality is that marijuana is the overwhelming bulk of the drug trade.

Legalization cannot help but cripple the illegal drug industry. Sure booze still gets smuggled to avoid excise taxes sometimes, but there's simply no denying that it isn't the problem it was before prohibition was repealed.
 
2014-01-05 12:02:24 PM
A fool and his money are soon parted.
 
2014-01-05 12:04:35 PM

Hobodeluxe: so how many plants do they allow you to grow at once?


Q: Why can't I just grow my own marijuana at home?
A: You can. Colorado law allows people 21 and older to grow up to six plants, provided it's done in an "enclosed, locked space." Some cities have limited the number of plants that can be grown in a single house - Denver's cap is 12 - and some cities have imposed other zoning or code restrictions on home-growing. Even without those hurdles, experts say that, just because it's called weed, don't expect marijuana to grow as easily as one at home. That difficulty is the main reason why the recreational marijuana stores are expected to be so popular.



http://www.denverpost.com/marijuana/ci_24823785/colorado-marijuana-g ui de-64-answers-commonly-asked-questions
 
2014-01-05 12:04:55 PM

mccallcl: TwistedIvory: unlikely: Now if they'll just release everyone who's in jail for possession, I think we'll be covered. At least on that front.

While I agree with the sentiment, the people who are jailed for drug crimes knowingly violated the law at the time of the commission of the crime. Making recreational pot legal NOW does not make it legal THEN, too, unless a blanket pardon is issued.

But they knowingly violated a law that we now admit was stupid and has been repealed. They're still alive, which makes for a great opportunity to set things straight. Keeping them in jail at taxpayer expense as a matter of principle is pretty dumb, especially when we as a society have agreed that particular principle is baseless.

It's like keeping slaves in jail for escape attempts after emancipation.


isn't it still against federal law to have pot?
 
2014-01-05 12:05:11 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: ddaug4uf: Why aren't people who publically admit to smoking marijuana arrested?

Habeas corpus. Unless the roach is still around, there was no crime.

I think you mean habeus dilecti. You definitely don't mean habeus corpus.


habeus corpus dilecti , now with more mustard!
 
2014-01-05 12:05:24 PM
Gee, now if only they could import the stuff to cover the short-term supply constraints...

/desperately want IL to legalize to draw the early-adopter pot-tourism bonus
 
2014-01-05 12:07:25 PM

Yakk: The only way this stops is if the Feds crush it before it spreads to other states.


The likelihood of which is rapidly diminishing towards zero. The Administration had publically stated that they will honor states' wishes wrt pot so long as they go through a formal legalization process and put appropriate (read alcohol-style) public safeguards in place. This is the Conservative agenda Mr Obama is so good at exploiting. If, OTOH, he were now to reverse himself the GOP would hang him from the nearest telephone pole (insert lynching puns here). The Democrats have more important fights to win, as do the GOP, so this is largely a non-issue for both sides, as neither can afford the distraction.

This is the real beauty of the Administration's approach. They want pot to go away as a legal issue, and have figured out that the best way to do so is to let it become a states' issue. Colorado and Washington are going to pave the way for more states to follow suit, which they will do in a landslide, and one day soon the Hillary Administration will simply reschedule pot, allowing states to make up their own minds about it. That is pretty much what the repeal of Prohibition did in '33. Some states legalized all alcohol the same day (or VERY soon), which others maintained Prohibition into the 60's.
 
2014-01-05 12:08:04 PM

TuteTibiImperes: 10up: the legal stores are just tourist traps.
$50 for an eighth!  No lie...I get that people in like... Shreveport might dig that price.  But Colorado?  Hell, I didn't even pay that much in Iowa last time I was there.The retail stores are for idiots and tourists.  They offer everything the medical side has at a 33% markup (on average thus far).  Grow your own with your friends!  That's the best part of the law.  Medical cards have essentially just turned into a "Colorado Resident Discount" card.

What's the worth of your time and space you'd have to devote to a grow op?  How bout the cost of the lights, hydro equipment, fertilizers, seeds/starter-plants, etc?  It's been pointed out numerous times already - you can grow your own vegetables, brew your own beer, or even make your own wine legally, but most people can't be bothered.  The retail shops offer a convenience that many people will pay for.  Plus, I can see a lot of people not wanting to get medical cards because then their name is associated with weed 'in the system'.

AFAIK buying on the street is still illegal in CO, so I could see CO law enforcement starting to crack down on street/unlicensed dealers now as a tax revenue protection measure.

thismomentinblackhistory: I'm not trying to be a dick but this whole "as long as it was in the past -- shenanigans, I tell you!" crap from pundits and politicians is really wearing thin when regular people are sitting in jail cells right now for the same thing.

Substitute DUI for weed -- that would be a different ball game, right? "I used to drive drunk." Nobody is stepping up to say that.

DUI isn't the same as using marijuana.  You can smoke marijuana without driving high just like you can drink alcohol without driving drunk.


It is illegal to possess, buy, sell, or consume marijuana until very recently.
 
2014-01-05 12:08:29 PM

germ78: Gee, now if only they could import the stuff to cover the short-term supply constraints...

/desperately want IL to legalize to draw the early-adopter pot-tourism bonus


From what I understand, alot of the short term supply problem is related to the fact that they couldn't start growing for the recreational side until Jan 1.  Some of the medicinal stores xfered some of their inventory to the rec part but some didn't.  They didn't want to screw over current customers.  From info from some phone calls I've made, you'll see many new rec stores opening in March after they've been able to get inventory shored up.
 
rka
2014-01-05 12:09:40 PM

mrlewish: flucto: Even though I'd never personally touch the stuff, I hope the state gets a massive windfall in taxes. It will be very hard for other states to ignore that.

Not gonna happen when you can grow your own. The state will get the windfalls just 2 years until everybody that wants to grow will. It's not like it's hard to grow.


You can brew your own beer too. Lots of homebrew shops in CO, its a very popular hobby. No shortage of profitable small breweries in Colorado though.

Something to be said about being able to wander into a shop with 20 different strains plus another 20-30 varieties of edible products.
 
2014-01-05 12:10:47 PM
There's one other FANTASTIC bonus to this happening in Colorado (and hopefully the rest of the U.S.).

The sick butchers that comprise the drug cartels in Mexico will be losing a source of income.  Even though I know Los Zetas primarily engage in coke trafficking, the bottom line is that the less business we give those maggots, the better.
 
2014-01-05 12:11:19 PM

TwistedIvory: , unless a blanket pardon is issued.


And why shouldn't one be issued? The law is not based on some superior morality of some kind of infallible immortal benefactor, it's just a bunch of corrupt politicians who take bribes from lobbyists. I mean look at the FCC. We all come out of vaginas and suck on nipples. Nipples are the foundation of society. Everyone has them. Everyone needed them. Every sane country in the world? Nipples are legal on TV. Not in the USA. Why? Someone passes a law. Why? God only knows, cause I sure don't.
 
2014-01-05 12:11:21 PM

Kevin72: Stone Meadow

Brewing beer or wine takes a lot of work and expensive equipment, and the results are unpredictable.

Marijuana grows like a weed, mostly because it is a weed.


Growing quality smoke is as complex and challenging as brewing quality beer and wine. OTOH, brewing and drinking rot-gut is about the same as smoking ditch weed. Yeah, it's easy, but who wants to do it?
 
2014-01-05 12:11:25 PM
All this talk about growing your own weed, growing anything yourself takes time, hard work, and money. Raise chickens for eggs and meat. The quality is great but it's more expensive than store bought. If growing weed outdoors, the soil needs to be prepped, water hoses laid out, fencing to keep out deer and rodents, fertilizer to be spread. Then the weather plays a big part, lack of sun, low temperatures, too much wind. The male plants are cut down, so after a few weeks of hard work, half the crop is lost. The best weed is from the unfertilized female plants, sinsemilla. Disease, insects, and/or mold wipes out plants, too. An indoor grow is just as hard. Expensive lights, the strong odor of the plants,the electric bills.  Store bought weed is cheaper in the long run.
 
2014-01-05 12:12:11 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: It is illegal to possess, buy, sell, or consume marijuana until very recently.


If you enjoy juxtaposing reckless endangerment with a victimless crime involving personal choice, then by all means, do so.  Most people don't see the connection, because most people know that the analogy is stupid.
 
2014-01-05 12:12:13 PM

Waldo Pepper: mccallcl: TwistedIvory: unlikely: Now if they'll just release everyone who's in jail for possession, I think we'll be covered. At least on that front.

While I agree with the sentiment, the people who are jailed for drug crimes knowingly violated the law at the time of the commission of the crime. Making recreational pot legal NOW does not make it legal THEN, too, unless a blanket pardon is issued.

But they knowingly violated a law that we now admit was stupid and has been repealed. They're still alive, which makes for a great opportunity to set things straight. Keeping them in jail at taxpayer expense as a matter of principle is pretty dumb, especially when we as a society have agreed that particular principle is baseless.

It's like keeping slaves in jail for escape attempts after emancipation.

isn't it still against federal law to have pot?


Ok, so keep those with federal pot cases in federal prison. Everybody else in CO, MI, etc goes free.
 
2014-01-05 12:12:33 PM
An eighth is perfect for somebody like me. That would last me two weeks.

/okay with paying more in taxes in exchange for never having to meet some shady person ever again
//get on the ball already, Washington
 
2014-01-05 12:14:42 PM

doglover: TwistedIvory: , unless a blanket pardon is issued.

And why shouldn't one be issued? The law is not based on some superior morality of some kind of infallible immortal benefactor, it's just a bunch of corrupt politicians who take bribes from lobbyists. I mean look at the FCC. We all come out of vaginas and suck on nipples. Nipples are the foundation of society. Everyone has them. Everyone needed them. Every sane country in the world? Nipples are legal on TV. Not in the USA. Why? Someone passes a law. Why? God only knows, cause I sure don't.


Because forbidden fruit and naughty bits and THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
 
2014-01-05 12:15:27 PM
$50? I paid almost that much yesterday for printer ink.


GanjSmokr:
I can barely keep a cactus alive but I tried growing anyway.  I was somewhat successful but it really is something you have to stay on top of (at least the method I was using is).  At the time, it was more work than I was willing to give for what I ended up getting.  I might try again since I still have all the equipment but if the legal prices hold, walking into a store is going to be more attractive than keeping a grow operation going.

I tried growing from seed once. Put a lot of work into a very nice looking plant for a number of months. But, then, something didn't seem quite right. That's about the time that the pollen pods started bursting and I figured out that I had been wasting all my time on a MALE.

/there's always some detail that you manage to miss
//and that one detail will end up being a major game changer
 
2014-01-05 12:16:20 PM

Nightjars: thismomentinblackhistory: It is illegal to possess, buy, sell, or consume marijuana until very recently.

If you enjoy juxtaposing reckless endangerment with a victimless crime involving personal choice, then by all means, do so.  Most people don't see the connection, because most people know that the analogy is stupid.


The laws the law son.
 
2014-01-05 12:17:37 PM
They will blow out sales projections and smoke the critics with record tax revenue.

If MJCO were a stock it would be Twitter.
 
2014-01-05 12:18:25 PM

doglover: TwistedIvory: , unless a blanket pardon is issued.

And why shouldn't one be issued? The law is not based on some superior morality of some kind of infallible immortal benefactor, it's just a bunch of corrupt politicians who take bribes from lobbyists. I mean look at the FCC. We all come out of vaginas and suck on nipples. Nipples are the foundation of society. Everyone has them. Everyone needed them. Every sane country in the world? Nipples are legal on TV. Not in the USA. Why? Someone passes a law. Why? God only knows, cause I sure don't.


Nipples are legal on American TV, just not before 10pm on the networks.  Cable channels could show topless people all day every day if they wanted to, and NBC could replace Jay Leno with a nude Chelsea Handler to host The Tonight Show without breaking any FCC rules.

A lot of channels still hold back on the nudity due to the Puritanical cultural mores that are still hanging on in this country regarding sex, but that's about appeasing advertisers, not FCC rules.
 
2014-01-05 12:18:36 PM

mrlewish: flucto: Even though I'd never personally touch the stuff, I hope the state gets a massive windfall in taxes. It will be very hard for other states to ignore that.

Not gonna happen when you can grow your own. The state will get the windfalls just 2 years until everybody that wants to grow will. It's not like it's hard to grow.


That's how the home brewers put Budweiser out of business

/Americans are happy to pay for convenience
 
2014-01-05 12:19:12 PM

Kevin72: Stone Meadow

Brewing beer or wine takes a lot of work and expensive equipment, and the results are unpredictable.

Marijuana grows like a weed, mostly because it is a weed.


You poor simple man.

Ingredients: 5 gallons of applejuice (~$15), a $0.75 packet of yeast, 1 pound of sugar (~$1.5), Hinkley water bottle (free, or maybe ~$10 if it comes full of water), a piece of aluminum foil (essentially free)
Total cost: ~$18-25
Yield: 5 gallons of delicious 9% ABV dignity (also pants) remover

1.  Dump out the water
2.  Pour half of the apple juice (each bottle of juice should be half empty) into the Hinkley bottle
3.  Divide the sugar amongst the half empty juice bottles
4.  Shake juice bottles until sugar is dissolved
5.  Pour yeast into hinkley bottle
6.  Pour remaining apple juice into hinkley bottle
7.  Cap with foil
8.  Let sit in a cool place in your basement until you can read a newspaper through the hinkley bottle (~a month of waiting).
9.  Get farked up
 
2014-01-05 12:19:15 PM

Phil McKraken: legion_of_doo: sammyk: fark drug math is already in effect.

Prices were also increased by the new 25 percent tax -- 15 percent excise and 10 percent sales -- on all marijuana purchases in the state that voters approved in November, along with any other local jurisdictional taxes on top of that. Marijuana sales are expected to generate nearly $70 million in tax revenue for Colorado in 2014.

The state projects nearly $600 million in retail and wholesale marijuana sales annually.

OMFG!
That's like $500 BILLION in annual sales!!!!11!

Cop math still welcome, I see.


Might as well be, once the feds start going after the sellers.
 
2014-01-05 12:19:18 PM

GanjSmokr: Hobodeluxe: so how many plants do they allow you to grow at once?


Q: Why can't I just grow my own marijuana at home?
A: You can. Colorado law allows people 21 and older to grow up to six plants, provided it's done in an "enclosed, locked space." Some cities have limited the number of plants that can be grown in a single house - Denver's cap is 12 - and some cities have imposed other zoning or code restrictions on home-growing. Even without those hurdles, experts say that, just because it's called weed, don't expect marijuana to grow as easily as one at home. That difficulty is the main reason why the recreational marijuana stores are expected to be so popular.


http://www.denverpost.com/marijuana/ci_24823785/colorado-marijuana-g ui de-64-answers-commonly-asked-questions


cool 6 plants is plenty if you know what you're doing. cycle them 3 veg /3 flower and harvest every 8 weeks.
 
rka
2014-01-05 12:19:38 PM

doglover: Nipples are legal on TV. Not in the USA.


What are HBO/Showtime doing in that case?

I get the point, but just because the US doesn't broadcast tits on the set of Good Morning America (broadcast networks) doesn't really concern me all that much.
 
2014-01-05 12:21:04 PM
So I am curious, all these village idiots buying weed - are none of them being drug tested? I mean just about every job I've had since I was 17 requires drug testing..... How is the legal weed going to work around this? All I know is you piss in a cup, if you have smoked within the past few weeks it shows up.

How will they distinguish people who smoke on the weekend at home, vs someone whose smoking up behind the restaurant? And what happens when said person is high on weed and cuts his finger off, is workers comp going to cover the potheads?
 
2014-01-05 12:22:26 PM
Good job, Colorado. I hope you like seeing all those used syringes everywhere.
 
2014-01-05 12:22:47 PM

TuteTibiImperes: NBC could replace Jay Leno with a nude Chelsea Handler to host The Tonight Show without breaking any FCC rules


Does NBC have some sort of petition process or should we use the White House petition site to get this done?
 
2014-01-05 12:22:56 PM

Yakk: flucto: Even though I'd never personally touch the stuff, I hope the state gets a massive windfall in taxes. It will be very hard for other states to ignore that.

Exactly, it will be just like gambling. The only way this stops is if the Feds crush it before it spreads to other states.


Right now the cartels have opened the money funnels to our elected "representatives" to put the kabash on all this. Do it for the childrens!
 
2014-01-05 12:24:21 PM

DigitalCoffee: $50? I paid almost that much yesterday for printer ink.


 How high did it get you?

Ahhh, it's so nice to toke on legal Colorado weed.  $85 a quarter is pretty outrageous but it costs what it costs.

Yeah, as I stood there in line I was wondering why the hell I wasn't going to my regular dealer.

These prices are farking crazy
 
2014-01-05 12:24:30 PM
I don't have any experience with quantities as small as an eighth. How many pencil width joints is that? If it's at least 4, especially for 1 hit shiat, is say it's worth the $40.
 
2014-01-05 12:26:04 PM

born_yesterday: Good job, Colorado. I hope you like seeing all those used syringes everywhere.


This post makes no sense whatsoever.
 
rka
2014-01-05 12:26:18 PM

Misconduc: So I am curious, all these village idiots buying weed - are none of them being drug tested? I mean just about every job I've had since I was 17 requires drug testing..... How is the legal weed going to work around this? All I know is you piss in a cup, if you have smoked within the past few weeks it shows up.


I'm 41. Work for one of the largest software companies in the world. Worked for various high tech companies in the Boulder area for almost 20 years.

Never been drug tested. Ever. I'd walk away from any job offer that even brought it up.
 
2014-01-05 12:26:55 PM

Smoking GNU: born_yesterday: Good job, Colorado. I hope you like seeing all those used syringes everywhere.

This post makes no sense whatsoever.


Clearly, he was born_yesterday... :-)
 
2014-01-05 12:27:12 PM

Misconduc: So I am curious, all these village idiots buying weed - are none of them being drug tested? I mean just about every job I've had since I was 17 requires drug testing..... How is the legal weed going to work around this? All I know is you piss in a cup, if you have smoked within the past few weeks it shows up.


If a company requires you to be drug-free, then it doesn't matter if the drug is legal or not. No drugs = no drugs.

Also, I've never had a job that required a drug test. Indeed, if we did drug test I think we'd lose half of our programmers.
 
2014-01-05 12:27:27 PM

Misconduc: So I am curious, all these village idiots buying weed - are none of them being drug tested? I mean just about every job I've had since I was 17 requires drug testing..... How is the legal weed going to work around this? All I know is you piss in a cup, if you have smoked within the past few weeks it shows up.

How will they distinguish people who smoke on the weekend at home, vs someone whose smoking up behind the restaurant? And what happens when said person is high on weed and cuts his finger off, is workers comp going to cover the potheads?


How is that different than alcohol?

Alcohol is legal.
If I go to work drunk and do something bad, is workers comp going to cover it?
 
2014-01-05 12:29:13 PM

Misconduc: So I am curious, all these village idiots buying weed - are none of them being drug tested? I mean just about every job I've had since I was 17 requires drug testing..... How is the legal weed going to work around this? All I know is you piss in a cup, if you have smoked within the past few weeks it shows up.

How will they distinguish people who smoke on the weekend at home, vs someone whose smoking up behind the restaurant? And what happens when said person is high on weed and cuts his finger off, is workers comp going to cover the potheads?


That's going to be the next big issue I think.  Everyone can agree that showing up to work impaired shouldn't be allowed.  For alcohol it's always been easy - the tests show if it's in your system, and if it's in your system, it's effecting you.

Some employers have been starting to prohibit nicotine use, not just at work, but at all, and personally, I think that's a major imposition on individual rights.  Of course, with how smokers are vilified in this country, there hasn't been much of a fight about it.  The nice thing about the MJ movement is that it has a lot of momentum and righteous fury behind it, so I could see (and would love to see) a push for legislation barring employers for taking adverse action against employees for any off-the-clock legal substance use.

That of course brings up the need for a reliable, quick, and affordable test to show active THC intoxication, just as we need for pot DUI purposes.  Getting stoned the night before work shouldn't be a problem, getting stoned on your lunch break should.

Without legislation protecting employees I think most employers are going to err on the side of caution and keep testing for marijuana, especially those with national reach whose policies would apply for employees in legal-MJ and illegal-MJ states alike.  I could see CO based and small businesses being more flexible however.
 
2014-01-05 12:31:52 PM

gfid: These prices are farking crazy


Which leads to the argument that without blanket legalization, these high prices allow more affluent whites to legally buy weed, while pricing out the poorer black and brown people. This keeps the prison complex happy, as they'll still be able to fill their cells. Illustrated here: Link
 
2014-01-05 12:32:00 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Nipples are legal on American TV, just not before 10pm on the networks.


When I am king, flexible LED screens will mean that all TV will be holographic images playing on the skin of android actors. In that case, your android will actually become the actor or actress in the show. Commercial breaks will be played on the stage, leaving you time to fraternize with your Marylin Monroebots.

www.punkasspunk.com
 
2014-01-05 12:33:11 PM

Snarfangel: Clemkadidlefark: [reg9prc.org image 216x280]

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I went both ways.

/College of the Siskiyous alumni
 
2014-01-05 12:36:02 PM

gfid: DigitalCoffee: $50? I paid almost that much yesterday for printer ink.

 How high did it get you?


I was through the roof. Went to WalMart, Staples, and Target and they all had the same exact price. Amazon was $2 cheaper but then I would have had to wait 1 to 2 weeks for free shipping. What a farking scam.


Hope we get enough signatures to get MMJ on the ballot here in Florida. Doubt it will pass the first time, but I still hope it gets on there.
 
2014-01-05 12:38:19 PM

Mister Peejay: sammyk: fark drug math is already in effect.

Prices were also increased by the new 25 percent tax -- 15 percent excise and 10 percent sales -- on all marijuana purchases in the state that voters approved in November, along with any other local jurisdictional taxes on top of that. Marijuana sales are expected to generate nearly $70 million in tax revenue for Colorado in 2014.

The state projects nearly $600 million in retail and wholesale marijuana sales annually.

What drug math?

Let's work backwards...  70 million in tax revenue at 25% rate means 280 million in retail sales.  (I will assume that they don't count taxes in the sales figure)  Say the retailers add a 50% markup, so the wholesalers are doing roughly $185 million in sales.  Say the wholesalers are adding a 50% markup, so the growers are doing roughly $122 million in sales.  280 + 185 + 122 is $587 million, or nearly 600 million dollars in retail and wholesale sales.


For all the people with the tax questions, read the analysis above.  Excise taxes will be applied at one point, most likely the retail sale.  Typically, sales tax is applied at this point, also.  They are not taxing the pot at every step of the supply chain.
 
2014-01-05 12:38:33 PM

Misconduc: So I am curious, all these village idiots buying weed - are none of them being drug tested? I mean just about every job I've had since I was 17 requires drug testing..... How is the legal weed going to work around this? All I know is you piss in a cup, if you have smoked within the past few weeks it shows up.

How will they distinguish people who smoke on the weekend at home, vs someone whose smoking up behind the restaurant? And what happens when said person is high on weed and cuts his finger off, is workers comp going to cover the potheads?


Have you ever worked in a restaurant? The staff will smoke weed out back whether or not it is legal.
 
2014-01-05 12:39:53 PM
are those 39 people that oded and  died yesterday doing ok
 
2014-01-05 12:41:19 PM

Tenga: I don't have any experience with quantities as small as an eighth. How many pencil width joints is that? If it's at least 4, especially for 1 hit shiat, is say it's worth the $40.


don't roll it. that's wasting it. one hit vaporizers is the way to conserve and make it easy on the lungs.
 
2014-01-05 12:41:32 PM

Nick Nostril: Yakk: flucto: Even though I'd never personally touch the stuff, I hope the state gets a massive windfall in taxes. It will be very hard for other states to ignore that.

Exactly, it will be just like gambling. The only way this stops is if the Feds crush it before it spreads to other states.

Right now the cartels have opened the money funnels to our elected "representatives" to put the kabash on all this. Do it for the childrens!


How about we do it for our childrens instead of the profiteers' crotchfruit?
Pot is cheap enough to cultivate that there is money for everybody, except those a^^wipes currently enjoying the black market they created.
 
2014-01-05 12:41:55 PM

RogermcAllen: Kevin72: Stone Meadow

Brewing beer or wine takes a lot of work and expensive equipment, and the results are unpredictable.

Marijuana grows like a weed, mostly because it is a weed.

You poor simple man.

Ingredients: 5 gallons of applejuice (~$15), a $0.75 packet of yeast, 1 pound of sugar (~$1.5), Hinkley water bottle (free, or maybe ~$10 if it comes full of water), a piece of aluminum foil (essentially free)
Total cost: ~$18-25
Yield: 5 gallons of delicious 9% ABV dignity (also pants) remover

1.  Dump out the water
2.  Pour half of the apple juice (each bottle of juice should be half empty) into the Hinkley bottle
3.  Divide the sugar amongst the half empty juice bottles
4.  Shake juice bottles until sugar is dissolved
5.  Pour yeast into hinkley bottle
6.  Pour remaining apple juice into hinkley bottle
7.  Cap with foil
8.  Let sit in a cool place in your basement until you can read a newspaper through the hinkley bottle (~a month of waiting).
9.  Get farked up



Wait, I just paid 10% sales tax on the water, the apple juice, the yeast, and the sugar, plus I had to go to the damn store to get them.  Plus I don't have a basement and haven't seen a newspaper since about 2009.
 
2014-01-05 12:42:03 PM

haywatchthis: are those 39 people that oded and  died yesterday doing ok


cdn2-b.examiner.com

They got better.
 
2014-01-05 12:42:24 PM

haywatchthis: are those 39 people that oded and  died yesterday doing ok


Ya, they found out it was all just a dream.
 
2014-01-05 12:44:30 PM

Stone Meadow: Yakk: The only way this stops is if the Feds crush it before it spreads to other states.

The likelihood of which is rapidly diminishing towards zero. The Administration had publically stated that they will honor states' wishes wrt pot so long as they go through a formal legalization process and put appropriate (read alcohol-style) public safeguards in place. This is the Conservative agenda Mr Obama is so good at exploiting. If, OTOH, he were now to reverse himself the GOP would hang him from the nearest telephone pole (insert lynching puns here). The Democrats have more important fights to win, as do the GOP, so this is largely a non-issue for both sides, as neither can afford the distraction.

This is the real beauty of the Administration's approach. They want pot to go away as a legal issue, and have figured out that the best way to do so is to let it become a states' issue. Colorado and Washington are going to pave the way for more states to follow suit, which they will do in a landslide, and one day soon the Hillary Administration will simply reschedule pot, allowing states to make up their own minds about it. That is pretty much what the repeal of Prohibition did in '33. Some states legalized all alcohol the same day (or VERY soon), which others maintained Prohibition into the 60's.


Indiana will probably try to amend the state constitution to keep marijuana illegal in perpetuity.
 
2014-01-05 12:44:53 PM

ausfahrk: RogermcAllen: Kevin72: Stone Meadow

Brewing beer or wine takes a lot of work and expensive equipment, and the results are unpredictable.

Marijuana grows like a weed, mostly because it is a weed.

You poor simple man.

Ingredients: 5 gallons of applejuice (~$15), a $0.75 packet of yeast, 1 pound of sugar (~$1.5), Hinkley water bottle (free, or maybe ~$10 if it comes full of water), a piece of aluminum foil (essentially free)
Total cost: ~$18-25
Yield: 5 gallons of delicious 9% ABV dignity (also pants) remover

1.  Dump out the water
2.  Pour half of the apple juice (each bottle of juice should be half empty) into the Hinkley bottle
3.  Divide the sugar amongst the half empty juice bottles
4.  Shake juice bottles until sugar is dissolved
5.  Pour yeast into hinkley bottle
6.  Pour remaining apple juice into hinkley bottle
7.  Cap with foil
8.  Let sit in a cool place in your basement until you can read a newspaper through the hinkley bottle (~a month of waiting).
9.  Get farked up


Wait, I just paid 10% sales tax on the water, the apple juice, the yeast, and the sugar, plus I had to go to the damn store to get them.  Plus I don't have a basement and haven't seen a newspaper since about 2009.


Also, it's the wrong kind of yeast. Bread yeast tastes like shiat.

That guy also didn't tell you about racking. Enjoy your million tons of lees in the bottom.

No disinfection step. Bacterial infection (just ruins flavor)

Basement, not temperature. Hope your basement isn't too warm/cold and ruins the ferment.

Talk about a shiatty recipe.
 
2014-01-05 12:47:19 PM
Whatever happened to get enough signatures on a ballot and demand White House response/action?
 
2014-01-05 12:47:45 PM

Smoking GNU: born_yesterday: Good job, Colorado. I hope you like seeing all those used syringes everywhere.

This post makes no sense whatsoever.


I laughed.
 
2014-01-05 12:48:57 PM

Smoking GNU: Oblig?


Damn, the GIF!  I think I was at that party!  No wonder my head hurt the next morning.  Then again, maybe not.
 
2014-01-05 12:49:25 PM

RogermcAllen: Kevin72: Stone Meadow

Brewing beer or wine takes a lot of work and expensive equipment, and the results are unpredictable.

Marijuana grows like a weed, mostly because it is a weed.

You poor simple man.

Ingredients: 5 gallons of applejuice (~$15), a $0.75 packet of yeast, 1 pound of sugar (~$1.5), Hinkley water bottle (free, or maybe ~$10 if it comes full of water), a piece of aluminum foil (essentially free)
Total cost: ~$18-25
Yield: 5 gallons of delicious 9% ABV dignity (also pants) remover

1.  Dump out the water
2.  Pour half of the apple juice (each bottle of juice should be half empty) into the Hinkley bottle
3.  Divide the sugar amongst the half empty juice bottles
4.  Shake juice bottles until sugar is dissolved
5.  Pour yeast into hinkley bottle
6.  Pour remaining apple juice into hinkley bottle
7.  Cap with foil
8.  Let sit in a cool place in your basement until you can read a newspaper through the hinkley bottle (~a month of waiting).
9.  Get farked up


That foil cap isn't going to vent your off-gasses. I'd say use a proper fermentation bucket or a carboy, with an airlock.
 
2014-01-05 12:50:36 PM

QuesoDelicioso: RogermcAllen: Kevin72: Stone Meadow

Brewing beer or wine takes a lot of work and expensive equipment, and the results are unpredictable.

Marijuana grows like a weed, mostly because it is a weed.

You poor simple man.

Ingredients: 5 gallons of applejuice (~$15), a $0.75 packet of yeast, 1 pound of sugar (~$1.5), Hinkley water bottle (free, or maybe ~$10 if it comes full of water), a piece of aluminum foil (essentially free)
Total cost: ~$18-25
Yield: 5 gallons of delicious 9% ABV dignity (also pants) remover

1.  Dump out the water
2.  Pour half of the apple juice (each bottle of juice should be half empty) into the Hinkley bottle
3.  Divide the sugar amongst the half empty juice bottles
4.  Shake juice bottles until sugar is dissolved
5.  Pour yeast into hinkley bottle
6.  Pour remaining apple juice into hinkley bottle
7.  Cap with foil
8.  Let sit in a cool place in your basement until you can read a newspaper through the hinkley bottle (~a month of waiting).
9.  Get farked up

That foil cap isn't going to vent your off-gasses. I'd say use a proper fermentation bucket or a carboy, with an airlock.


And with bread yeast THERE WILL BE GASSES.
 
2014-01-05 12:51:06 PM

mrlewish: flucto: Even though I'd never personally touch the stuff, I hope the state gets a massive windfall in taxes. It will be very hard for other states to ignore that.

Not gonna happen when you can grow your own. The state will get the windfalls just 2 years until everybody that wants to grow will. It's not like it's hard to grow.


Growing good pot is a full time job. It isnt an easy endeavour
 
2014-01-05 12:51:21 PM

jj325: mrlewish: flucto: Even though I'd never personally touch the stuff, I hope the state gets a massive windfall in taxes. It will be very hard for other states to ignore that.

Not gonna happen when you can grow your own. The state will get the windfalls just 2 years until everybody that wants to grow will. It's not like it's hard to grow.

That's how the home brewers put Budweiser out of business

/Americans are happy to pay for convenience


I am not sure the $10 beer is worth the convenience.
Oh? Blink your eyes and click your heels, see, price went up already.
 
2014-01-05 12:52:41 PM

SumoJeb: mrlewish: flucto: Even though I'd never personally touch the stuff, I hope the state gets a massive windfall in taxes. It will be very hard for other states to ignore that.

Not gonna happen when you can grow your own. The state will get the windfalls just 2 years until everybody that wants to grow will. It's not like it's hard to grow.

Growing good pot is a full time job. It isnt an easy endeavour


Only difference between cultivation and kids is, pot naps regular.
So I am told,,,
 
2014-01-05 12:53:31 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: Nightjars: thismomentinblackhistory: It is illegal to possess, buy, sell, or consume marijuana until very recently.

If you enjoy juxtaposing reckless endangerment with a victimless crime involving personal choice, then by all means, do so.  Most people don't see the connection, because most people know that the analogy is stupid.

The laws the law son.


Tell the to wall street pal.
 
2014-01-05 12:56:22 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: thismomentinblackhistory: Nightjars: thismomentinblackhistory: It is illegal to possess, buy, sell, or consume marijuana until very recently.

If you enjoy juxtaposing reckless endangerment with a victimless crime involving personal choice, then by all means, do so.  Most people don't see the connection, because most people know that the analogy is stupid.

The laws the law son.

Tell the to wall street pal.


Don't bro me if you don't know me!
 
2014-01-05 01:00:22 PM

doglover: QuesoDelicioso: RogermcAllen: Kevin72: Stone Meadow

Brewing beer or wine takes a lot of work and expensive equipment, and the results are unpredictable.

Marijuana grows like a weed, mostly because it is a weed.

You poor simple man.

Ingredients: 5 gallons of applejuice (~$15), a $0.75 packet of yeast, 1 pound of sugar (~$1.5), Hinkley water bottle (free, or maybe ~$10 if it comes full of water), a piece of aluminum foil (essentially free)
Total cost: ~$18-25
Yield: 5 gallons of delicious 9% ABV dignity (also pants) remover

1.  Dump out the water
2.  Pour half of the apple juice (each bottle of juice should be half empty) into the Hinkley bottle
3.  Divide the sugar amongst the half empty juice bottles
4.  Shake juice bottles until sugar is dissolved
5.  Pour yeast into hinkley bottle
6.  Pour remaining apple juice into hinkley bottle
7.  Cap with foil
8.  Let sit in a cool place in your basement until you can read a newspaper through the hinkley bottle (~a month of waiting).
9.  Get farked up

That foil cap isn't going to vent your off-gasses. I'd say use a proper fermentation bucket or a carboy, with an airlock.

And with bread yeast THERE WILL BE GASSES.


That's what bread yeast is tailored for. Gas production, to make the bread rise.
 
2014-01-05 01:01:45 PM
As a Coloradan, this is probably a step in the right direction, but it's way too soon because...

1) As pointed out elsewhere, there's no reliable test for current THC intoxication for DUI or workplace issues.  I'm hoping that a precedent will be set where the presence of marijuana or pipes, open and in the passenger compartment == legal DUI.  And more effort needs to be put into roadside tests which specifically aim for the marijuana high.

2) Current laws do little to protect people living in shared-wall dwellings.  If Stoney McPothead sets up a six plant grow op on the other side of my wall, my apartment will smell like ass, and anybody with a weed allergy (they're out there, and will increase) will be forced to move.  Not to mention the mold and other unpleasantness which comes with a grow.

3) Apartment complexes are currently hamstrung.  Right now, it's not legal to close a building or complex to smokers.  So if a wake-and-bake smoker sets up next door, there's nothing to do for the fact that you're basically now a pot-smoker, and may not pass hair tests for work and are farked if you're asthmatic or have COPD.  Now that there are so many non-smoked forms available, make smoking in a shared-wall residence illegal and evictable.  And make smoker status a non-protected class for housing.  If you want to go Cheech, rent a house.

4) "Medical" marijuana is not yet dead. Let's drop the medical charade (and the paperwork, HIPAA, etc) so we're not wasting taxes on keeping up a no-longer-needed fantasy.  If a doctor can tell you to have a glass of wine, they can tell you to go buy a joint from Stoney's World-of-Dependency.  Let's quit pretending.

5) Public smoking enforcement is lax.  Weed is an area-of-effect drug.  Some jackass smoking up in front of my building means I walk into work smelling like weed.  If you need to get high to get through your day, there are non-smoked ways.  I'm hoping there's at least a huge stigma on public smoking.  Concerts, particularly, are terrible in Colorado, and just got worse.  COPD or Asthma?  Hope you've got a stereo.

6) Employer protection is inadequate.  I don't know of any case-law dealing with people showing up to work stoned in a legal-pot world.  Presumably people can still get fired (and CO is an at-will state), but I'd like to see hair-testing made explicitly OK as part of this.  Just because it's legal doesn't mean we want crane operators doing it, and "...but-but-but weekend smoking!" is a shiatty excuse.  You always have a choice: High, or Job.

7) There's little regulation regarding smoking in a house with kids.  Secondhand-smoking-up your kids is as farked up as making them drink.  Hopefully Child Protective Services will get involved here, and will develop policies.

8) There's been no effort paid to highlighting treatment or counseling for people with psychological dependencies on pot.  It's not addictive in the same way as coke or booze, I know, but there are lots of people (my own parents among them) who can't get through the day without smoking every few hours.  These people need help in the same way people with booze problems need help.  Nobody's focused on that. Just "DUDE!  IT'S LEGAL!  SMOKE UP BRAH!".  This is likely because...

9) Social change hasn't caught up yet.  Right now, if you drink when you wake up, you're an alcoholic.  If you smoke when you wake up, it's your lifestyle, dude.  We've spent so long thinking "Weed is evil" that we're now thinking "Weed is good".  No, it's neither.  It's something that can be fun for some people, be unnecessary for many others, and be a big problem for others still.  Until we acknowledge that much like booze, it's not a culture, it's not a lifestyle, it's not Satan, it's just a drug, our social views of it will be farked.

As I said, it's a step in the right direction in terms of drug policy, will ruin the cartels' day, and they're working on regulations, but it's just way too soon.  Hopefully, with time, those who need to get high will start going edible and tincture to remove the negative effects on others, but in the mean time, I pity those with Asthma/COPD/Pot Allergies, and wish them luck finding a new state for the next 3-5 years.
 
2014-01-05 01:02:04 PM
should have bought land in colorado instead of tennessee
 
2014-01-05 01:03:54 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: thismomentinblackhistory: Nightjars: thismomentinblackhistory: It is illegal to possess, buy, sell, or consume marijuana until very recently.

If you enjoy juxtaposing reckless endangerment with a victimless crime involving personal choice, then by all means, do so.  Most people don't see the connection, because most people know that the analogy is stupid.

The laws the law son.

Tell the to wall street pal.


Patience Grasshopper,,,
There is more than enough money currently in the Black Pot Market to qualify for Too Big To Jail.
And, it needs redistribution.
If we could get POUSA and Congress's bribes stopped, happy happy happy would ensue.
 
2014-01-05 01:10:07 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Misconduc: So I am curious, all these village idiots buying weed - are none of them being drug tested? I mean just about every job I've had since I was 17 requires drug testing..... How is the legal weed going to work around this? All I know is you piss in a cup, if you have smoked within the past few weeks it shows up.

Some employers have been starting to prohibit nicotine use, not just at work, but at all, and personally, I think that's a major imposition on individual rights.  Of course, with how smokers are vilified in this country, there hasn't been much of a fight about it.  The nice thing about the MJ movement is that it has a lot of momentum and righteous fury behind it, so I could see (and would love to see) a push for legislation barring employers for taking adverse action against employees for any off-the-clock legal substance use.

That of course brings up the need for a reliable, quick, and affordable test to show active THC intoxication, just as we need for pot DUI purposes.  Getting stoned the night before work shouldn't be a problem, getting stoned on your lunch break should.


This is what I was thinking, I mean in my line of work there is no drug testing, I own rental property - most my employees drink and smoke weed, I frankly don't care as long as they don't drive - most of them however don't operate lawnmowers or play with electrical work, thats the work I do.
Sure I can kick back a few tall boys and go play on a lawnmower, the results however I could end up on fark for losing my life from being a dumbass.

When I worked for a software company in Tampa, FL - they started doing on site drug and alcohol testing, I kid you not the first row of cubicals they tested someone was drunk as a skunk. Most that worked here did tech support for AOL or Microsoft, it was a very stressful job - we generally only worked 40 minutes an hour with two 10 minute breaks in between (unless you were on a call). I honestly didn't mind the testing, I never showed up drunk or high in my life - to work, however I was bitten by the drug testing after I got a two week vacation and did some Herb and was fired when I was drug tested.

This is the only thing that strikes me, whether they can do THC intoxication, doesn't matter what someone did two weeks ago, but on that monday morning if you are going to fire someone who spoked MJ two weeks ago, somethings farked up.
I wasn't even notified about the testing, what they did was each team leader was told to send his group to an office, and everyone in the office was questioned one by one, each had to agree to take the drug test or be fired.
While I don't agree with this, they could of told me this crap when I was hired, but honestly I wasn't planning on doing tech support for very long, thankfully they fired me and I went to buy my own business rather then deal with the shirt and tie lifestyle.
 
2014-01-05 01:10:35 PM

Tenga: I don't have any experience with quantities as small as an eighth. How many pencil width joints is that? If it's at least 4, especially for 1 hit shiat, is say it's worth the $40.


I don't roll joints, but I'd guesstimate that an eighth will get you around 8 joints. By doing the math: if your joint is 0.5 g of weed, and an eighth is 3.6 g, that gives you 7 joints total. So yeah, probably closer to 6-7 j's.

/glass pipe all the way
 
2014-01-05 01:12:50 PM

wanderfowl: As a Coloradan, this is probably a step in the right direction, but it's way too soon because...

1) As pointed out elsewhere, there's no reliable test for current THC intoxication for DUI or workplace issues.  I'm hoping that a precedent will be set where the presence of marijuana or pipes, open and in the passenger compartment == legal DUI.  And more effort needs to be put into roadside tests which specifically aim for the marijuana high.

2) Current laws do little to protect people living in shared-wall dwellings.  If Stoney McPothead sets up a six plant grow op on the other side of my wall, my apartment will smell like ass, and anybody with a weed allergy (they're out there, and will increase) will be forced to move.  Not to mention the mold and other unpleasantness which comes with a grow.

3) Apartment complexes are currently hamstrung.  Right now, it's not legal to close a building or complex to smokers.  So if a wake-and-bake smoker sets up next door, there's nothing to do for the fact that you're basically now a pot-smoker, and may not pass hair tests for work and are farked if you're asthmatic or have COPD.  Now that there are so many non-smoked forms available, make smoking in a shared-wall residence illegal and evictable.  And make smoker status a non-protected class for housing.  If you want to go Cheech, rent a house.

4) "Medical" marijuana is not yet dead. Let's drop the medical charade (and the paperwork, HIPAA, etc) so we're not wasting taxes on keeping up a no-longer-needed fantasy.  If a doctor can tell you to have a glass of wine, they can tell you to go buy a joint from Stoney's World-of-Dependency.  Let's quit pretending.

5) Public smoking enforcement is lax.  Weed is an area-of-effect drug.  Some jackass smoking up in front of my building means I walk into work smelling like weed.  If you need to get high to get through your day, there are non-smoked ways.  I'm hoping there's at least a huge stigma on public smoking.  Concerts, particularly, ...


For driving, I could see the rules being similar to current open container laws for alcohol.  If you have a bag of pot and a pipe in the glovebox, trunk, or somewhere else where it's not usable while driving, fine, if you have the pipe and baggy of weed in your cupholder, that's an issue.

Most of the public smoking issues should be covered by laws already covering cigarette smoking.  Pot shouldn't be any more of a problem for those people than cigarettes currently are.

Walking past someone smoking marijuana isn't going to leave you smelling like marijuana.  If you're inhaling enough second-hand smoke through the vents in your apartment complex to set off a drug test, you live in a shiatty apartment with very poor ventilation.

Employers already have too much power, what we need are better protections for employee rights.  I agree with you that I wouldn't want a crane operator or bus driver smoking weed on the job, but I don't care if they smoke it on the evenings or weekends when they're not at work.  We need a test that shows active THC intoxication, not just evidence of use at some indeterminate point in the past.  It absolutely should not be someone having the choose between keeping their job or being able to use the now legal marijuana - there needs to be legislation protecting the right use it recreationally outside of work and effective testing to prevent its use at work.
 
2014-01-05 01:13:38 PM
Living in Colorado and being a smoker I have a lot of easy and cheap connections.  Some of the stuff folk grow here is amazing.  A friend of mine has a few plants of something called Nigerian Nightmare.  It is purple.  Not purple threads, the entire bud (other than electric orange hairs) is deep, black, purple.  It is definitely a melt in to your couch bud.  

That being said, I don't see myself growing.  I've always had the ability to do so.  I have the space in my house, ready access to clones, and the help/advice from friends who have been doing it for decades.  It is a bit more complex than folk allow for though.  When friends were away I would pop in to their house and tend their crops.  It was like pet sitting.  Show up twice a day to take the plants out for a walk, so to speak.  I will, more than likely, continue to buy from my tried and true sources.  Still, being in Colorado and it snowing the past 3 days and having run out due to NYE partying, I walked down to the Denver Kush Club a block away and picked myself up a gram of Golden Goat to tide me over until I can meet up with my friend.  That was really nice to be able to do.

I also like the fact that I can be sitting on a strain of really heady, no motivation bud and, when the need arises to go out to the club and get on the dance floor, I can swing by the corner store and pick up a nice sativa to give me some get up and go instead.
 
2014-01-05 01:16:40 PM
www.imagescolorado.com

Denver yesterday.......
 
2014-01-05 01:18:37 PM
If it's just personal use and the dope is that good, an 1/8 should last quite awhile.  Haven't smoke in decades, but, using a one-hitter, a little bit of pot would last a long time, even with daily use.
 
2014-01-05 01:19:16 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Employers already have too much power, what we need are better protections for employee rights.


This. And MONROEBOTS!
 
2014-01-05 01:19:21 PM
Wonder when California does this? A 25% tax (or knowing CA, even more) on sales of MJ is just too juicy for the Sacramentoites to forgo for long.
 
2014-01-05 01:21:12 PM
If you're a Coloradoan and apply for a federal job could the presence of marijuana in your bloodstream disqualify you?
 
2014-01-05 01:22:49 PM

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Selling pot earns admiration, in some limited form, from a vast swath across society.


WTF
 
2014-01-05 01:23:57 PM

jjorsett: If you're a Coloradoan and apply for a federal job could the presence of marijuana in your bloodstream disqualify you?


Yes.  Right now it could even disqualify you from a job at the local McDonalds.  Legalization was a big win, but the war isn't even close to over, there are still a lot of things that will need to be worked out.
 
2014-01-05 01:29:23 PM

Misconduc: So I am curious, all these village idiots buying weed - are none of them being drug tested? I mean just about every job I've had since I was 17 requires drug testing..... How is the legal weed going to work around this? All I know is you piss in a cup, if you have smoked within the past few weeks it shows up.

How will they distinguish people who smoke on the weekend at home, vs someone whose smoking up behind the restaurant? And what happens when said person is high on weed and cuts his finger off, is workers comp going to cover the potheads?


, by village idiots I'm sure you meant "normal fellow Americans who enjoy marijuana".

2nd, those folks might just not have jobs which drug test. Most jobs don't. Even in industries which do - like mine - most of those don't require random testing during employment, just one test during the hiring process. If you needed to not have a beer for a few weeks while looking for a job could you? Same idea, except marijuana isn't as addictive as alcohol.
 
2014-01-05 01:32:29 PM

jjorsett: Wonder when California does this? A 25% tax (or knowing CA, even more) on sales of MJ is just too juicy for the Sacramentoites to forgo for long.


Of course, you know in Colorado, the politicians are watching the volume of sales and kicking themselves, saying, "We should've made it a 40% tax, no 50%....!"  Remember, you're dealing with parasites, er , politicians.  They'll raise the taxes to a stupid level and the drug gangs will be back in business.
  The Feds will notice that there's a tit that they're not sucking and want to get into the game, in the near future.  I work for the Feds, I know.
 
2014-01-05 01:32:29 PM
sammyk: fark drug math is already in effect.

Fark Drug Math...

Prices were also increased by the new 25 percent tax -- 15 percent excise and 10 percent sales -- on all marijuana purchases, add the inflation rate and it equals.....

img163.imageshack.us
 
2014-01-05 01:43:16 PM
$64 for like three joints?  INSANE!

/Pro tip if you stick seeds in dirt they grow.
 
2014-01-05 01:44:21 PM

mongbiohazard: Misconduc: So I am curious, all these village idiots buying weed - are none of them being drug tested? I mean just about every job I've had since I was 17 requires drug testing..... How is the legal weed going to work around this? All I know is you piss in a cup, if you have smoked within the past few weeks it shows up.

How will they distinguish people who smoke on the weekend at home, vs someone whose smoking up behind the restaurant? And what happens when said person is high on weed and cuts his finger off, is workers comp going to cover the potheads?

, by village idiots I'm sure you meant "normal fellow Americans who enjoy marijuana".

2nd, those folks might just not have jobs which drug test. Most jobs don't. Even in industries which do - like mine - most of those don't require random testing during employment, just one test during the hiring process. If you needed to not have a beer for a few weeks while looking for a job could you? Same idea, except marijuana isn't as addictive as alcohol.


True, but alcohol can make you vomit into your lungs and dry land drown, so it has that going for it, which is_____.
Alcohol and marijuana cannot be treated the same way. Period.
First of all, alcohol is a specific and singular toxin.
Marijuana is a complex of multiple active drugs, none toxic, but with differing psychoactive effects.
The paradigms you have from believing 80 years of outright lies will not, however permit you to understand that without EXPERIENCE.

are you experienced?
 
2014-01-05 01:44:28 PM
I'd like to see importation banned, and all legal stuff grown domestically. Take the international traffickers out of it.  There is still too much involvement of cartels. Weed legalization shouldn't support violent syndicates.
 
2014-01-05 01:45:33 PM

Turbo Cojones: $64 for like three joints?  INSANE!

/Pro tip if you stick seeds in dirt they grow.


Like weeds, not a real marketable item these days.
Good pot is an art.
 
2014-01-05 01:46:04 PM

T-Boy: I'd like to see importation banned, and all legal stuff grown domestically. Take the international traffickers out of it.  There is still too much involvement of cartels. Weed legalization shouldn't support violent syndicates.


But under the new laws they get a 25% cut.
 
2014-01-05 01:47:12 PM

T-Boy: I'd like to see importation banned, and all legal stuff grown domestically. Take the international traffickers out of it.  There is still too much involvement of cartels. Weed legalization shouldn't support violent syndicates.


You still have to get the "Bank" by the short hairs.
Deny the money, happy happy happy.
 
2014-01-05 01:47:12 PM

doglover: ausfahrk: RogermcAllen: Kevin72: Stone Meadow

Brewing beer or wine takes a lot of work and expensive equipment, and the results are unpredictable.

Marijuana grows like a weed, mostly because it is a weed.

You poor simple man.

Ingredients: 5 gallons of applejuice (~$15), a $0.75 packet of yeast, 1 pound of sugar (~$1.5), Hinkley water bottle (free, or maybe ~$10 if it comes full of water), a piece of aluminum foil (essentially free)
Total cost: ~$18-25
Yield: 5 gallons of delicious 9% ABV dignity (also pants) remover

1.  Dump out the water
2.  Pour half of the apple juice (each bottle of juice should be half empty) into the Hinkley bottle
3.  Divide the sugar amongst the half empty juice bottles
4.  Shake juice bottles until sugar is dissolved
5.  Pour yeast into hinkley bottle
6.  Pour remaining apple juice into hinkley bottle
7.  Cap with foil
8.  Let sit in a cool place in your basement until you can read a newspaper through the hinkley bottle (~a month of waiting).
9.  Get farked up


Wait, I just paid 10% sales tax on the water, the apple juice, the yeast, and the sugar, plus I had to go to the damn store to get them.  Plus I don't have a basement and haven't seen a newspaper since about 2009.

Also, it's the wrong kind of yeast. Bread yeast tastes like shiat.

That guy also didn't tell you about racking. Enjoy your million tons of lees in the bottom.

No disinfection step. Bacterial infection (just ruins flavor)

Basement, not temperature. Hope your basement isn't too warm/cold and ruins the ferment.

Talk about a shiatty recipe.


To address most of the comments:

The yeast isn't bread yest, red wine yeast (apparently it got more expensive since I last looked, but $0.79 won't break the bank).
http://www.austinhomebrew.com/product_info.php?products_id=613

After a month, wine yeast makes a pretty tight cake.  Sure you'll get some, but pour careful and you'll be fine.

The foil on top isn't meant to be an airtight seal.  It is just something over the top of the bottle to keep shiat from falling in.

Temperature is important, but it isn't mission critical.  You can make great beer/wine with little/no temperature control.  I know of almost no-one with a basement too hot to brew in.

Sanitization is important, but the water bottle comes pretty clean and the apple juice is pasteurized.  With all the sugar in there, the yeast can out compete just about anything else.

If you don't have a newspaper, go upstairs and ask your parents to give you the phone bill.  If you can clearly see the words it is good to go.

The point wasn't to make the best booze ever, but to make something good for cheap.  ~$25 for 5 gallons (50x 12oz servings @ ~$0.5) at 9% abv is on par with a $12 24pack of 4.2% ABV Bud Light.  Buy some better equipment (sanitizers, racking cane, etc.) and you can make it even better.  For some further reading http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f25/man-i-love-apfelwein-14860/
 
2014-01-05 01:52:44 PM
I think a lot of folks saying it's easy to grow your own have never actually done it. I attempted it once, did the research, bought good quality feminized seeds, etc. and failed miserably. I didn't even get to the harvesting/trimming part, which I'm told is a total pain in the ass.

As for drug testing, I've had jobs with pre-employment drug tests, but never one with random drug tests. Unless you work for the government, need some kind of security clearance, or do hazardous work, I think random drug testing is pretty rare, for the obvious reason that you would lose a lot of otherwise good employees. Any sane employer would rather have an employee who does great work and is a recreational drug user than a shiatty worker who lives clean.
 
2014-01-05 01:55:32 PM

mrlewish: flucto: Even though I'd never personally touch the stuff, I hope the state gets a massive windfall in taxes. It will be very hard for other states to ignore that.

Not gonna happen when you can grow your own. The state will get the windfalls just 2 years until everybody that wants to grow will. It's not like it's hard to grow.


Which is of course why microbreweries and produce sections of stores don't exist.
 
2014-01-05 01:58:22 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: Why aren't people who publically admit to smoking marijuana arrested?


Because there's no chance of getting a conviction if there is no evidence other than a confession which may or may not be truthful?

But then, if you publicly admit to smoking marijuana illegally, you shouldn't be surprised if the police start paying more attention to you in hopes of getting the kind of physical evidence that will result in a conviction.  If you're black and not famous.
 
2014-01-05 01:59:48 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: An eighth is perfect for somebody like me. That would last me two weeks.

/okay with paying more in taxes in exchange for never having to meet some shady person ever again
//get on the ball already, Washington


The great thing right now is quality stuff in Washington is getting cheaper and cheaper. Everyone and there mother is going for a run at this legal pot stuff and pieces of the crop are being sold to raise capital for the retail operations.
 
2014-01-05 01:59:56 PM
And they say the Colorado Budget Surplus grew three sizes that day.
 
2014-01-05 02:01:05 PM

BSABSVR: mrlewish: flucto: Even though I'd never personally touch the stuff, I hope the state gets a massive windfall in taxes. It will be very hard for other states to ignore that.

Not gonna happen when you can grow your own. The state will get the windfalls just 2 years until everybody that wants to grow will. It's not like it's hard to grow.

Which is of course why microbreweries and produce sections of stores don't exist.


Comparing marijuana to cabbage is a lot more accurate than comparing it to alcohol.
It should be regulated the same.
 
2014-01-05 02:04:43 PM

snocone: BSABSVR: mrlewish: flucto: Even though I'd never personally touch the stuff, I hope the state gets a massive windfall in taxes. It will be very hard for other states to ignore that.

Not gonna happen when you can grow your own. The state will get the windfalls just 2 years until everybody that wants to grow will. It's not like it's hard to grow.

Which is of course why microbreweries and produce sections of stores don't exist.

Comparing marijuana to cabbage is a lot more accurate than comparing it to alcohol.
It should be regulated the same.


Not the point.
 
2014-01-05 02:08:29 PM

Hobodeluxe: Tenga: I don't have any experience with quantities as small as an eighth. How many pencil width joints is that? If it's at least 4, especially for 1 hit shiat, is say it's worth the $40.

don't roll it. that's wasting it. one hit vaporizers is the way to conserve and make it easy on the lungs.


I was just trying to break it down to a known unit of measurement.
 
2014-01-05 02:10:46 PM

Tenga: I was just trying to break it down to a known unit of measurement.


A joint isn't a very standard measurement.
 
2014-01-05 02:11:46 PM

Mister Peejay: 70 million in tax revenue at 25% rate means 280 million in retail sales. (I will assume that they don't count taxes in the sales figure) Say the retailers add a 50% markup, so the wholesalers are doing roughly $185 million in sales. Say the wholesalers are adding a 50% markup, so the growers are doing roughly $122 million in sales. 280 + 185 + 122 is $587 million, or nearly 600 million dollars in retail and wholesale sales.


bunkstrutts.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-05 02:13:15 PM

BSABSVR: snocone: BSABSVR: mrlewish: flucto: Even though I'd never personally touch the stuff, I hope the state gets a massive windfall in taxes. It will be very hard for other states to ignore that.

Not gonna happen when you can grow your own. The state will get the windfalls just 2 years until everybody that wants to grow will. It's not like it's hard to grow.

Which is of course why microbreweries and produce sections of stores don't exist.

Comparing marijuana to cabbage is a lot more accurate than comparing it to alcohol.
It should be regulated the same.

Not the point.


You brought up produce sections.
Pot is produce.
Pot does not satisfy the marketplace unless it is cultivated.
Fools cannot grow decent pot.
 
2014-01-05 02:14:48 PM
missed;
Nor can fools brew decent beer.
 
2014-01-05 02:27:54 PM

2wolves: mrlewish: flucto: Even though I'd never personally touch the stuff, I hope the state gets a massive windfall in taxes. It will be very hard for other states to ignore that.

Not gonna happen when you can grow your own. The state will get the windfalls just 2 years until everybody that wants to grow will. It's not like it's hard to grow.

You underestimate the slothfulness of your fellow citizens.


this.  people are willing to pay somebody to pick up their dog's poop.  do you really think they're going to learn how to read a plant's receptivity to blooming, trimming all those fan leaves, watching for the myriad of invaders (mites, aphids, spiders, fungus), proper nutrition (when they can't even feed themselves in a healthy fashion?)  Not to mention that a garden is practically like an infant, needs near constant attention.  It is far, far from just putting some seeds in a pot of soil and come back in 3-4 months.  Then there is the minor matter of safely setting up their grow chamber/rooms so they do not burn their living quarters down.  Hell, some people can't even be trusted to boil water unsupervised.  No, home growing would probably affect the sales of wholesale/retail cannabis horticulture about as much as home brewing affects the business of the craft brewers and the giant beer companies.  Virtually insignificant.
 
2014-01-05 02:31:53 PM
Obvious tag went out for a money counter six hours ago...
 
2014-01-05 02:34:49 PM

snocone: mongbiohazard: Misconduc: So I am curious, all these village idiots buying weed - are none of them being drug tested? I mean just about every job I've had since I was 17 requires drug testing..... How is the legal weed going to work around this? All I know is you piss in a cup, if you have smoked within the past few weeks it shows up.

How will they distinguish people who smoke on the weekend at home, vs someone whose smoking up behind the restaurant? And what happens when said person is high on weed and cuts his finger off, is workers comp going to cover the potheads?

, by village idiots I'm sure you meant "normal fellow Americans who enjoy marijuana".

2nd, those folks might just not have jobs which drug test. Most jobs don't. Even in industries which do - like mine - most of those don't require random testing during employment, just one test during the hiring process. If you needed to not have a beer for a few weeks while looking for a job could you? Same idea, except marijuana isn't as addictive as alcohol.

True, but alcohol can make you vomit into your lungs and dry land drown, so it has that going for it, which is_____.
Alcohol and marijuana cannot be treated the same way. Period.
First of all, alcohol is a specific and singular toxin.
Marijuana is a complex of multiple active drugs, none toxic, but with differing psychoactive effects.
The paradigms you have from believing 80 years of outright lies will not, however permit you to understand that without EXPERIENCE.

are you experienced?



You appear to have me confused with someone else... Why don't you take a second look at the post I was responding to, then my response.

Hint: I don't think employers should be testing for pot in the first place - but we weren't actually discussing whether they should or not, just how prevalent it is.
 
2014-01-05 02:45:33 PM

mongbiohazard: snocone: mongbiohazard: Misconduc: So I am curious, all these village idiots buying weed - are none of them being drug tested? I mean just about every job I've had since I was 17 requires drug testing..... How is the legal weed going to work around this? All I know is you piss in a cup, if you have smoked within the past few weeks it shows up.

How will they distinguish people who smoke on the weekend at home, vs someone whose smoking up behind the restaurant? And what happens when said person is high on weed and cuts his finger off, is workers comp going to cover the potheads?

, by village idiots I'm sure you meant "normal fellow Americans who enjoy marijuana".

2nd, those folks might just not have jobs which drug test. Most jobs don't. Even in industries which do - like mine - most of those don't require random testing during employment, just one test during the hiring process. If you needed to not have a beer for a few weeks while looking for a job could you? Same idea, except marijuana isn't as addictive as alcohol.

True, but alcohol can make you vomit into your lungs and dry land drown, so it has that going for it, which is_____.
Alcohol and marijuana cannot be treated the same way. Period.
First of all, alcohol is a specific and singular toxin.
Marijuana is a complex of multiple active drugs, none toxic, but with differing psychoactive effects.
The paradigms you have from believing 80 years of outright lies will not, however permit you to understand that without EXPERIENCE.

are you experienced?


You appear to have me confused with someone else... Why don't you take a second look at the post I was responding to, then my response.

Hint: I don't think employers should be testing for pot in the first place - but we weren't actually discussing whether they should or not, just how prevalent it is.


Ahh, I was agreeing to agree with you.
But then, I poorly used "you"  as if confronting you when addressing the "you" of fools that expound with no rubber on the road experience.
So sorry, GI.
 
2014-01-05 02:49:05 PM
Where I work, if they fired people for marijuana use, we'd lose a third of our employees.

I've never done marijuana, and have no desire to, but I'm so glad Colorado stood up to say Fark you to the Feds and to Las Zetas (and other similar gangs).
 
2014-01-05 02:50:11 PM
snocone: Ahh, I was agreeing to agree with you.
But then, I poorly used "you"  as if confronting you when addressing the "you" of fools that expound with no rubber on the road experience.
So sorry, GI.


Cool. Then I'm glad I wasn't too boku snarky.
 
2014-01-05 02:52:08 PM
How did CO get this up and running so quickly?  Here in WA I'm hearing it'll be June at the earliest. WTF Washington?

/I know blue state problems.
 
2014-01-05 02:53:53 PM
OMG...people are legally allowed to smoke at home now. If police regularly bust you for smoking at home where you live you should totally move to Colorado.
 
2014-01-05 02:55:11 PM

FDR Jones: I think a lot of folks saying it's easy to grow your own have never actually done it. I attempted it once, did the research, bought good quality feminized seeds, etc. and failed miserably. I didn't even get to the harvesting/trimming part, which I'm told is a total pain in the ass.

As for drug testing, I've had jobs with pre-employment drug tests, but never one with random drug tests. Unless you work for the government, need some kind of security clearance, or do hazardous work, I think random drug testing is pretty rare, for the obvious reason that you would lose a lot of otherwise good employees. Any sane employer would rather have an employee who does great work and is a recreational drug user than a shiatty worker who lives clean.


CSB:

Many years ago I worked for Home Depot and they had random drug testing... someone from head office would show up, ask to see the manager, walk through the store, pick a certain number of employees and test them.

We got a chance to talk to him before he left and he said the funny thing is that certain completely legal things can show up as something else. Apparently ibuprofen can show up as PCP... as he found out when a 60 something year old grandma head cashier tested positive for PCP.
 
2014-01-05 03:00:42 PM

AgentKGB: FDR Jones: I think a lot of folks saying it's easy to grow your own have never actually done it. I attempted it once, did the research, bought good quality feminized seeds, etc. and failed miserably. I didn't even get to the harvesting/trimming part, which I'm told is a total pain in the ass.

As for drug testing, I've had jobs with pre-employment drug tests, but never one with random drug tests. Unless you work for the government, need some kind of security clearance, or do hazardous work, I think random drug testing is pretty rare, for the obvious reason that you would lose a lot of otherwise good employees. Any sane employer would rather have an employee who does great work and is a recreational drug user than a shiatty worker who lives clean.

CSB:

Many years ago I worked for Home Depot and they had random drug testing... someone from head office would show up, ask to see the manager, walk through the store, pick a certain number of employees and test them.

We got a chance to talk to him before he left and he said the funny thing is that certain completely legal things can show up as something else. Apparently ibuprofen can show up as PCP... as he found out when a 60 something year old grandma head cashier tested positive for PCP.


Dunn Lumber, Fred Meyer and Kroger drug test.  I think almost every nation wide chain store does.  Why?
 
2014-01-05 03:02:41 PM

Abox: OMG...people are legally allowed to smoke at home now. If police regularly bust you for smoking at home where you live you should totally move to Colorado.


The most dangerous part is obtaining it and getting it to your house.  Now, maybe you have connections and a well established weed guy who delivers, that's great if you do, but most people don't.  It's much more convenient to be able to go buy it at a store legally than to wander around street corners trying to find people who smell like weed and asking them if they have any to sell, and possibly getting caught in a sting operation.
 
2014-01-05 03:13:35 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Abox: OMG...people are legally allowed to smoke at home now. If police regularly bust you for smoking at home where you live you should totally move to Colorado.

The most dangerous part is obtaining it and getting it to your house.  Now, maybe you have connections and a well established weed guy who delivers, that's great if you do, but most people don't.  It's much more convenient to be able to go buy it at a store legally than to wander around street corners trying to find people who smell like weed and asking them if they have any to sell, and possibly getting caught in a sting operation.


Somehow I think people who wander around street corners approaching strangers who smell like weed are more likely to rob a dispensary than patronize one.
 
2014-01-05 03:23:04 PM

Abox: TuteTibiImperes: Abox: OMG...people are legally allowed to smoke at home now. If police regularly bust you for smoking at home where you live you should totally move to Colorado.

The most dangerous part is obtaining it and getting it to your house.  Now, maybe you have connections and a well established weed guy who delivers, that's great if you do, but most people don't.  It's much more convenient to be able to go buy it at a store legally than to wander around street corners trying to find people who smell like weed and asking them if they have any to sell, and possibly getting caught in a sting operation.

Somehow I think people who wander around street corners approaching strangers who smell like weed are more likely to rob a dispensary than patronize one.


I was just guessing, I don't really know what the process would be.  If I wanted to buy weed today, I'd have no clue how to get it, so I'd probably try something like that.  I mean, what else can you do?

I guess you could casually bring it up in conversation with coworkers, but what if they don't get the hint, don't use it themselves, or even worse go to HR and mention that they think you're using it?  Then again, they might think that you're trying to ferret out weed users for HR in the first place and just clam up if they do have a connection.

There's stuff like Silk Road, but now that the feds have managed to infiltrate that, who knows if even the TOR hidden sites are safe?  Maybe you place an order and instead of getting weed you get a knock on the door from the DEA.  Plus, even if you order from a legitimate online source, what if what's in the bottle is detected en route by the post office, UPS, whatever, and the police stake out your house waiting for you to open it to come in for the bust?  What if you get it, but the site then gets busted and they go through the customer records and start getting search warrants for everyone who's bought from them?

If you don't know someone well who smokes it already and already has a connection, it's extremely difficult and risky to try to get it.  I'd rather spend twice as much at a retail show where I know there will be no issues.
 
2014-01-05 03:25:00 PM
So whats so special about CO anyway? Washington state legalized it last year and I don't recall this kind of feeding frenzy.
 
2014-01-05 03:28:56 PM

Old enough to know better: So whats so special about CO anyway? Washington state legalized it last year and I don't recall this kind of feeding frenzy.


Colorado and Washington legalized it at about the same time, CO just has the framework up and running already while WA is dragging their feet.  CO is going to be a great test case to see what kind of tax revenues will come in, and hopefully will encourage other states to get onboard soon.
 
2014-01-05 03:32:58 PM

Old enough to know better: So whats so special about CO anyway? Washington state legalized it last year and I don't recall this kind of feeding frenzy.


Ha ha ha, very funny.
 
2014-01-05 03:37:53 PM

GanjSmokr: http://www.tgscolorado.com/denver.php



I went to CitiMed on the first, and it was very, VERY reasonable. $45 eighth, edibles were a tad crazy I guess but they are solid and strong, and their hash was off the chain and affordable. I think a lot of the stories we are hearing about pricing and such are coming from ill informed outsiders, who don't really know what the different factors are in pricing and quality.

Either way, I spent $100 bucks and I am set for a friggin month for me and the lady.
 
2014-01-05 03:39:06 PM

Mister Peejay: sammyk: fark drug math is already in effect.

Prices were also increased by the new 25 percent tax -- 15 percent excise and 10 percent sales -- on all marijuana purchases in the state that voters approved in November, along with any other local jurisdictional taxes on top of that. Marijuana sales are expected to generate nearly $70 million in tax revenue for Colorado in 2014.

The state projects nearly $600 million in retail and wholesale marijuana sales annually.

What drug math?

Let's work backwards...  70 million in tax revenue at 25% rate means 280 million in retail sales.  (I will assume that they don't count taxes in the sales figure)  Say the retailers add a 50% markup, so the wholesalers are doing roughly $185 million in sales.  Say the wholesalers are adding a 50% markup, so the growers are doing roughly $122 million in sales.  280 + 185 + 122 is $587 million, or nearly 600 million dollars in retail and wholesale sales.


Yup. Do businesses pay tax on profit over there on top of that? there is more income from this than just the direct sales tax. All the employees will pay tax too that they would not have if they didn`t have that job and so on. Can`t wait until Colorado has enough money for a monorail...
 
2014-01-05 03:42:41 PM

born_yesterday: Good job, Colorado. I hope you like seeing all those used syringes everywhere.


lol, wut?
 
2014-01-05 03:47:54 PM
Seen rushing to the scene:
www.barraclou.com
 
2014-01-05 04:12:56 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Abox: TuteTibiImperes: Abox: OMG...people are legally allowed to smoke at home now. If police regularly bust you for smoking at home where you live you should totally move to Colorado.

The most dangerous part is obtaining it and getting it to your house.  Now, maybe you have connections and a well established weed guy who delivers, that's great if you do, but most people don't.  It's much more convenient to be able to go buy it at a store legally than to wander around street corners trying to find people who smell like weed and asking them if they have any to sell, and possibly getting caught in a sting operation.

Somehow I think people who wander around street corners approaching strangers who smell like weed are more likely to rob a dispensary than patronize one.

I was just guessing, I don't really know what the process would be.  If I wanted to buy weed today, I'd have no clue how to get it, so I'd probably try something like that.  I mean, what else can you do?

I guess you could casually bring it up in conversation with coworkers, but what if they don't get the hint, don't use it themselves, or even worse go to HR and mention that they think you're using it?  Then again, they might think that you're trying to ferret out weed users for HR in the first place and just clam up if they do have a connection.


Best thing in that situation is to just make up a story from years ago that involved weed...someone will bite.  My facetious comment was directed to dinks that want to mecca Amsterdam-style to CO expecting some kind of bohemian pot-smoking utopia.
 
2014-01-05 04:15:43 PM

snocone: missed;
Nor can fools brew decent beer.


Poems are made by fools, I fear. But only Schlitz can make a beer.
 
2014-01-05 04:42:34 PM
Abox:

Best thing in that situation is to just make up a story from years ago that involved weed...someone will bite.  My facetious comment was directed to dinks that want to mecca Amsterdam-style to CO expecting some kind of bohemian pot-smoking utopia.

I think CO would be smart to allow 'Weed Bars' or 'Weed Cafes' like Amsterdam has.  A place where people can go to socialize, listen to live music maybe, play some games, etc, and be able to use marijuana in that place, possibly with on-site sales, just like they can with alcohol at a bar.
 
2014-01-05 04:47:50 PM

jjorsett: Wonder when California does this? A 25% tax (or knowing CA, even more) on sales of MJ is just too juicy for the Sacramentoites to forgo for long.


Gathering signatures as we speak...http://www.cchi2014.org/
 
2014-01-05 04:57:18 PM

2wolves: mrlewish: flucto: Even though I'd never personally touch the stuff, I hope the state gets a massive windfall in taxes. It will be very hard for other states to ignore that.

Not gonna happen when you can grow your own. The state will get the windfalls just 2 years until everybody that wants to grow will. It's not like it's hard to grow.

You underestimate the slothfulness of your fellow citizens.


It's not slothfulness that stops people growing their own, it's the severe penalties that apply to growing, most plants will grow no matter what time of day they're planted.
I've used the evil weed for nearly 40 years, I still get up at 6 a m every day ( without a hangover ). whether I'm working, or not.
Thank you Colorado, for trying to enlighten the ignorant.
 
2014-01-05 05:00:06 PM

Turbo Cojones: $64 for like three joints?  INSANE!

/Pro tip if you stick seeds in dirt they grow.


Joint smoking is for teenagers and concerts. Neither use good weed.
 
2014-01-05 05:13:45 PM

Kevin72: Stone Meadow

Brewing beer or wine takes a lot of work and expensive equipment, and the results are unpredictable.

Marijuana grows like a weed, mostly because it is a weed.


5 gallon buckets are "expensive equipment" now?

Growing marijuana by throwing some seeds in your yard is great if you want to make rope. If you want to get stoned theres a bit of work involved.
 
2014-01-05 05:19:24 PM
Hopefully someday people will recognize that marijuana is no different than alcohol. Seeing someone sipping a snifter of cognac is 'sophisticated', but someone consuming a high quality marijuana is somehow different. People should come to terms with the fact that far more people consume marijuana than they think. It is far more than 'stoners' or 'hippies'. I have smoked pot with many corporate executives... highly successful people. Nothing remotely lazy about them. Just like there are degenerate drunks and highly sophisticated brilliant people who drink alcohol, there are also stoner losers and highly successful and brilliant pot smokers. Grow up and acknowledge reality.
 
2014-01-05 05:22:13 PM

peacheslatour: AgentKGB: FDR Jones: I think a lot of folks saying it's easy to grow your own have never actually done it. I attempted it once, did the research, bought good quality feminized seeds, etc. and failed miserably. I didn't even get to the harvesting/trimming part, which I'm told is a total pain in the ass.

As for drug testing, I've had jobs with pre-employment drug tests, but never one with random drug tests. Unless you work for the government, need some kind of security clearance, or do hazardous work, I think random drug testing is pretty rare, for the obvious reason that you would lose a lot of otherwise good employees. Any sane employer would rather have an employee who does great work and is a recreational drug user than a shiatty worker who lives clean.

CSB:

Many years ago I worked for Home Depot and they had random drug testing... someone from head office would show up, ask to see the manager, walk through the store, pick a certain number of employees and test them.

We got a chance to talk to him before he left and he said the funny thing is that certain completely legal things can show up as something else. Apparently ibuprofen can show up as PCP... as he found out when a 60 something year old grandma head cashier tested positive for PCP.

Dunn Lumber, Fred Meyer and Kroger drug test.  I think almost every nation wide chain store does.  Why?


I think the company got a better deal on insurance if they drug tested was the unofficial reason we were given. Officially it was "Well we worry about worker & customer safety bla bla bla" but... I imagine they got a discount on their insurance to randomly drug test employees.
 
2014-01-05 05:25:50 PM

wanderfowl: 8) There's been no effort paid to highlighting treatment or counseling for people with psychological dependencies on pot.  It's not addictive in the same way as coke or booze, I know, but there are lots of people (my own parents among them) who can't get through the day without smoking every few hours.  These people need help in the same way people with booze problems need help.  Nobody's focused on that. Just "DUDE!  IT'S LEGAL!  SMOKE UP BRAH!".  This is likely because...


Ah, thats where your rambling all clicked together.
 
2014-01-05 05:40:11 PM

AgentKGB: peacheslatour: AgentKGB: FDR Jones: I think a lot of folks saying it's easy to grow your own have never actually done it. I attempted it once, did the research, bought good quality feminized seeds, etc. and failed miserably. I didn't even get to the harvesting/trimming part, which I'm told is a total pain in the ass.

As for drug testing, I've had jobs with pre-employment drug tests, but never one with random drug tests. Unless you work for the government, need some kind of security clearance, or do hazardous work, I think random drug testing is pretty rare, for the obvious reason that you would lose a lot of otherwise good employees. Any sane employer would rather have an employee who does great work and is a recreational drug user than a shiatty worker who lives clean.

CSB:

Many years ago I worked for Home Depot and they had random drug testing... someone from head office would show up, ask to see the manager, walk through the store, pick a certain number of employees and test them.

We got a chance to talk to him before he left and he said the funny thing is that certain completely legal things can show up as something else. Apparently ibuprofen can show up as PCP... as he found out when a 60 something year old grandma head cashier tested positive for PCP.

Dunn Lumber, Fred Meyer and Kroger drug test.  I think almost every nation wide chain store does.  Why?

I think the company got a better deal on insurance if they drug tested was the unofficial reason we were given. Officially it was "Well we worry about worker & customer safety bla bla bla" but... I imagine they got a discount on their insurance to randomly drug test employees.


No doubt.  Just another reason to love insurance companies  Jeez.
 
2014-01-05 05:47:18 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Abox:

Best thing in that situation is to just make up a story from years ago that involved weed...someone will bite.  My facetious comment was directed to dinks that want to mecca Amsterdam-style to CO expecting some kind of bohemian pot-smoking utopia.

I think CO would be smart to allow 'Weed Bars' or 'Weed Cafes' like Amsterdam has.  A place where people can go to socialize, listen to live music maybe, play some games, etc, and be able to use marijuana in that place, possibly with on-site sales, just like they can with alcohol at a bar.


Baby steps...until more states follows suit, I doubt CO wants to become the stoner capital of the world.  In the meantime, they did the smart thing...found a way to collect taxes on sales without making any practical changes to usage.
 
2014-01-05 05:56:34 PM
"In Colorado, they said music got three times better that day"
 
2014-01-05 05:56:48 PM

Abox: TuteTibiImperes: Abox:

Best thing in that situation is to just make up a story from years ago that involved weed...someone will bite.  My facetious comment was directed to dinks that want to mecca Amsterdam-style to CO expecting some kind of bohemian pot-smoking utopia.

I think CO would be smart to allow 'Weed Bars' or 'Weed Cafes' like Amsterdam has.  A place where people can go to socialize, listen to live music maybe, play some games, etc, and be able to use marijuana in that place, possibly with on-site sales, just like they can with alcohol at a bar.

Baby steps...until more states follows suit, I doubt CO wants to become the stoner capital of the world.  In the meantime, they did the smart thing...found a way to collect taxes on sales without making any practical changes to usage.



They already have pot places to smoke, though they require an entry fee of some kind to be "private".
 
2014-01-05 06:28:51 PM
Y'all better stock up quick. Looks like Willie's on the way...


i28.photobucket.com

/not really
 
2014-01-05 06:36:56 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: gfid: These prices are farking crazy

Which leads to the argument that without blanket legalization, these high prices allow more affluent whites to legally buy weed, while pricing out the poorer black and brown people. This keeps the prison complex happy, as they'll still be able to fill their cells. Illustrated here: Link


I can assure you there were less affluent whites and even black and brown people buying pot the other day.

Fark your link to some biatch with white guilt's twitter feed
 
2014-01-05 07:00:37 PM

gfid: Dusk-You-n-Me: gfid: These prices are farking crazy

Which leads to the argument that without blanket legalization, these high prices allow more affluent whites to legally buy weed, while pricing out the poorer black and brown people. This keeps the prison complex happy, as they'll still be able to fill their cells. Illustrated here: Link

I can assure you there were less affluent whites and even black and brown people buying pot the other day.

Fark your link to some biatch with white guilt's twitter feed


The lady with the twitter feed appears to be black, so it's not white guilt, just saying...
 
2014-01-05 07:13:07 PM

wanderfowl: As a Coloradan, this is probably a step in the right direction, but it's way too soon because...

1) As pointed out elsewhere, there's no reliable test for current THC intoxication for DUI or workplace issues.  I'm hoping that a precedent will be set where the presence of marijuana or pipes, open and in the passenger compartment == legal DUI.  And more effort needs to be put into roadside tests which specifically aim for the marijuana high.


Wow - who put the stick up your ass this morning?  There are already field sobriety tests which judge impairment.  Colorado also has established 5 ng/ml as the legal limit for driving.  This, IMO, is too low, but it is an established and testable legal limit.

2) Current laws do little to protect people living in shared-wall dwellings.  If Stoney McPothead sets up a six plant grow op on the other side of my wall, my apartment will smell like ass, and anybody with a weed allergy (they're out there, and will increase) will be forced to move.  Not to mention the mold and other unpleasantness which comes with a grow.

3) Apartment complexes are currently hamstrung.  Right now, it's not legal to close a building or complex to smokers.  So if a wake-and-bake smoker sets up next door, there's nothing to do for the fact that you're basically now a pot-smoker, and may not pass hair tests for work and are farked if you're asthmatic or have COPD.  Now that there are so many non-smoked forms available, make smoking in a shared-wall residence illegal and evictable.  And make smoker status a non-protected class for housing.  If you want to go Cheech, rent a house.


What are you, high or something?  You're not going to fail a drug test because your neighbor smokes and I don't know what kind of dwellings you live in but I have never had an issue with things that I smoke wafting in or out of any apartment I've ever lived in.

4) "Medical" marijuana is not yet dead. Let's drop the medical charade (and the paperwork, HIPAA, etc) so we're not wasting taxes on keeping up a no-longer-needed fantasy.  If a doctor can tell you to have a glass of wine, they can tell you to go buy a joint from Stoney's World-of-Dependency.  Let's quit pretending.

I don't think many doctors actually recommend drinking even a glass of wine.  I'm sure medical marijuana is abused, but I'm also sure it benefits some so leave it as it is.

5) Public smoking enforcement is lax.  Weed is an area-of-effect drug.  Some jackass smoking up in front of my building means I walk into work smelling like weed.  If you need to get high to get through your day, there are non-smoked ways.  I'm hoping there's at least a huge stigma on public smoking.  Concerts, particularly, ...

I don't know where you live, but public smoking is not an issue here.  Smoking in general seems to be frowned upon these days and that's not going to change even if it's not tobacco.

6) Employer protection is inadequate

Like you said CO is an "at will" state.  They can fire you for smoking pot even off the job.   I think that's bullshiat, but I can accept it as a compromise right now.  No, we don't want crane operators showing up to work stoned, but quite frankly if they light up on the weekend on their own time, who the hell cares?

7) There's little regulation regarding smoking in a house with kids.

Wait, and there's some for tobacco?  Treat it the same way.  You mean we haven't developed standards for smoking tobacco around children yet?  Well get to work then.

8) There's been no effort paid to highlighting treatment or counseling

People, with or without marijuana will sometimes benefit from such things.   This changes nothing in that regard.  Perhaps a more general request for mental health treatment is in order.

9) Social change hasn't caught up yet.  Right now, if you drink when you wake up, you're an alcoholic.  If you smoke when you wake up, it's your lifestyle, dude.  We've spent so long thinking "Weed is evil" that we're now thinking "Weed is good".  No, it's neither.  It's something that can be fun for some people, be unnecessary for many others, and be a big problem for others still.  Until we acknowledge that much like booze, it's not a culture, it's not a lifestyle, it's not Satan, it's just a drug, our social views of it will be farked.

That's interesting.  Most of my friend's drink.  Some of them smoke pot, but not all of them.  The ones who don't smoke don't see it as evil.  They just see it as something they don't do.  Some of them take Xanax all the time.  I don't know about you, but I'd be more worried about a chronic benzo user than some stoner who takes a puff with his morning coffee.
 
2014-01-05 07:29:21 PM

Abox: TuteTibiImperes: Abox: TuteTibiImperes: Abox: OMG...people are legally allowed to smoke at home now. If police regularly bust you for smoking at home where you live you should totally move to Colorado.

The most dangerous part is obtaining it and getting it to your house.  Now, maybe you have connections and a well established weed guy who delivers, that's great if you do, but most people don't.  It's much more convenient to be able to go buy it at a store legally than to wander around street corners trying to find people who smell like weed and asking them if they have any to sell, and possibly getting caught in a sting operation.

Somehow I think people who wander around street corners approaching strangers who smell like weed are more likely to rob a dispensary than patronize one.

I was just guessing, I don't really know what the process would be.  If I wanted to buy weed today, I'd have no clue how to get it, so I'd probably try something like that.  I mean, what else can you do?

I guess you could casually bring it up in conversation with coworkers, but what if they don't get the hint, don't use it themselves, or even worse go to HR and mention that they think you're using it?  Then again, they might think that you're trying to ferret out weed users for HR in the first place and just clam up if they do have a connection.

Best thing in that situation is to just make up a story from years ago that involved weed...someone will bite.  My facetious comment was directed to dinks that want to mecca Amsterdam-style to CO expecting some kind of bohemian pot-smoking utopia.


Like the "commode story"?   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w-07V2q_DE
 
2014-01-05 07:37:55 PM

TuteTibiImperes: The lady with the twitter feed appears to be black, so it's not white guilt, just saying...


I guess that's how color blind I am.  She looked white and sounded whiney to me.
 
2014-01-05 07:46:36 PM

Abox: OMG...people are legally allowed to smoke at home now. If police regularly bust you for smoking at home where you live you should totally move to Colorado.


Or...you might take up a different hobby.  There are saner solutions.
 
2014-01-05 07:46:41 PM
Ridiculous the hand-wringing over second-hand pot smoke and bad smells. Potential impaired driving untestability and such. If the effect of something is so innocuous that you're worried you won't be able to observe it, maybe you're a pollyana. If you have some kind of farked-up respiratory disease and your neighbor is triggering it smoking weed, go buy a carbon air filter for $200 and gift it to them. Oh shiat, you solved your own problem yourself by being neighborly and social instead of using the rube goldberg contraption of the government to fight your battles.
 
2014-01-05 07:59:23 PM

wanderfowl: As I said, it's a step in the right direction in terms of drug policy, will ruin the cartels' day, and they're working on regulations, but it's just way too soon.


It was way too late the first day they put someone in jail for using a politically incorrect plant.  All that crap you're so concerned about is completely trivial compared to the injustice, cost, and social destruction cause by the prohibition.  Your view of the situation is insanely unbalanced.
 
2014-01-05 08:08:11 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: TwistedIvory: unlikely: Now if they'll just release everyone who's in jail for possession, I think we'll be covered. At least on that front.

While I agree with the sentiment, the people who are jailed for drug crimes knowingly violated the law at the time of the commission of the crime. Making recreational pot legal NOW does not make it legal THEN, too, unless a blanket pardon is issued.

Why aren't people who publically admit to smoking marijuana arrested?


keep licking those boots
 
2014-01-05 09:43:05 PM

mccallcl: Ridiculous the hand-wringing over second-hand pot smoke and bad smells. Potential impaired driving untestability and such. If the effect of something is so innocuous that you're worried you won't be able to observe it, maybe you're a pollyana. If you have some kind of farked-up respiratory disease and your neighbor is triggering it smoking weed, go buy a carbon air filter for $200 and gift it to them. Oh shiat, you solved your own problem yourself by being neighborly and social instead of using the rube goldberg contraption of the government to fight your battles.


What about the pot addicts attacking the little old ladies for their social security money?  Then what are you going to say?
 
2014-01-05 09:47:25 PM
The most dangerous part of toking up while driving is steering with your knees while you roll it.

/distracted driving kills
//use a vaporizer responsibly while at stop lights

Oh, and we have a reliable test for recent (4-12 hours) cannabis use.  It's called a saliva test and they use them all over the world, including the US.  WHa?!

http://www.narcocheck.com/en/saliva-drug-tests/thc-marijuana-saliva- te st.html

If you can't pass that then they do a blood test and find out if your were actually high.
 
2014-01-06 12:09:08 AM

wanderfowl: As a Coloradan, this is probably a step in the right direction, but it's way too soon because...


Your concern is duly noted, but I'm pretty sure those strawmen will be dealt with in a timely manner.
 
2014-01-06 12:07:26 PM

rka: Misconduc: So I am curious, all these village idiots buying weed - are none of them being drug tested? I mean just about every job I've had since I was 17 requires drug testing..... How is the legal weed going to work around this? All I know is you piss in a cup, if you have smoked within the past few weeks it shows up.

I'm 41. Work for one of the largest software companies in the world. Worked for various high tech companies in the Boulder area for almost 20 years.

Never been drug tested. Ever. I'd walk away from any job offer that even brought it up.


Most jobs I've had have only tested upon a job offer, and not routinely. Others don't bother at all.

Outside of factory work or construction, drug tests don't seem common.
 
2014-01-06 12:11:22 PM

wanderfowl: As a Coloradan, this is probably a step in the right direction, but it's way too soon because...

1) As pointed out elsewhere, there's no reliable test for current THC intoxication for DUI or workplace issues.  I'm hoping that a precedent will be set where the presence of marijuana or pipes, open and in the passenger compartment == legal DUI.  And more effort needs to be put into roadside tests which specifically aim for the marijuana high.

2) Current laws do little to protect people living in shared-wall dwellings.  If Stoney McPothead sets up a six plant grow op on the other side of my wall, my apartment will smell like ass, and anybody with a weed allergy (they're out there, and will increase) will be forced to move.  Not to mention the mold and other unpleasantness which comes with a grow.

3) Apartment complexes are currently hamstrung.  Right now, it's not legal to close a building or complex to smokers.  So if a wake-and-bake smoker sets up next door, there's nothing to do for the fact that you're basically now a pot-smoker, and may not pass hair tests for work and are farked if you're asthmatic or have COPD.  Now that there are so many non-smoked forms available, make smoking in a shared-wall residence illegal and evictable.  And make smoker status a non-protected class for housing.  If you want to go Cheech, rent a house.

4) "Medical" marijuana is not yet dead. Let's drop the medical charade (and the paperwork, HIPAA, etc) so we're not wasting taxes on keeping up a no-longer-needed fantasy.  If a doctor can tell you to have a glass of wine, they can tell you to go buy a joint from Stoney's World-of-Dependency.  Let's quit pretending.

5) Public smoking enforcement is lax.  Weed is an area-of-effect drug.  Some jackass smoking up in front of my building means I walk into work smelling like weed.  If you need to get high to get through your day, there are non-smoked ways.  I'm hoping there's at least a huge stigma on public smoking.  Concerts, particularly, are terrible in Colorado, and just got worse.  COPD or Asthma?  Hope you've got a stereo.

6) Employer protection is inadequate.  I don't know of any case-law dealing with people showing up to work stoned in a legal-pot world.  Presumably people can still get fired (and CO is an at-will state), but I'd like to see hair-testing made explicitly OK as part of this.  Just because it's legal doesn't mean we want crane operators doing it, and "...but-but-but weekend smoking!" is a shiatty excuse.  You always have a choice: High, or Job.

7) There's little regulation regarding smoking in a house with kids.  Secondhand-smoking-up your kids is as farked up as making them drink.  Hopefully Child Protective Services will get involved here, and will develop policies.

8) There's been no effort paid to highlighting treatment or counseling for people with psychological dependencies on pot.  It's not addictive in the same way as coke or booze, I know, but there are lots of people (my own parents among them) who can't get through the day without smoking every few hours.  These people need help in the same way people with booze problems need help.  Nobody's focused on that. Just "DUDE!  IT'S LEGAL!  SMOKE UP BRAH!".  This is likely because...

9) Social change hasn't caught up yet.  Right now, if you drink when you wake up, you're an alcoholic.  If you smoke when you wake up, it's your lifestyle, dude.  We've spent so long thinking "Weed is evil" that we're now thinking "Weed is good".  No, it's neither.  It's something that can be fun for some people, be unnecessary for many others, and be a big problem for others still.  Until we acknowledge that much like booze, it's not a culture, it's not a lifestyle, it's not Satan, it's just a drug, our social views of it will be farked.

As I said, it's a step in the right direction in terms of drug policy, will ruin the cartels' day, and they're working on regulations, but it's just way too soon.  Hopefully, with time, those who need to get high will start going edible and tincture to remove the negative effects on others, but in the mean time, I pity those with Asthma/COPD/Pot Allergies, and wish them luck finding a new state for the next 3-5 years.


Most of these things you're concerned about will not be significant issues. You sound a bit like Mrs Flanders.
 
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