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2014-01-05 09:38:26 AM
5 votes:
The Conservative party, the Canadian equivalent to US Republicans, is making sure that all girls in Canada are getting vaccinated against HPV by making Gardasil available for all of them.

The Conservative party of Canada actually follows conservative principles and policies.  The GOP in the US, on the other hand, is just a package of knee jerk wedge issues wrapped around a pro-billionaire philosophy.  For example, they believe vaccinating young girls against a potentially fatal disease will turn them into ravenous sex addicts, or, something.  Anything to do with sex is bad, though they like to pretend that they're against abortion for moral reasons and it's not just another sex related wedge issue.

It's embarrassing.
2014-01-05 03:11:11 PM
3 votes:

MabalzIzari: Say what you will about Obamacare, but in Canada they give out free flu shots at inner-city bars...

OK; now tell me how long you have to wait for an MRI in Canada...


Me? Two days.

Procedures that need to done, get done.
2014-01-05 11:08:15 AM
3 votes:
Yes, we pay higher taxes, but the peace of mind that a serious illness will not bankrupt you is priceless.
2014-01-05 02:28:41 PM
2 votes:
All I know is that when the big plague or epidemic DOES hit (and it will happen, eventually), America will be one of the first nations to lose a large percentage of the population, because here we don't practice preventative care-- Here, profit comes before the public good, and if the plague-- whatever it may be-- seems to be an opportunity for insurance companies and pharma companies to profit, they will make sure that only those who can pay for it will be given access to any antivirus, cure, what-have-you.

In Canada, the UK, and most other civilized nations, the people will wait in lines to get treatment for free... But they'll live, while Americans will perish simply because they don't have decent enough coverage or enough money to be in the survivor's club.
2014-01-05 11:23:17 AM
2 votes:

Gunderson: When you realize that Canada has on of the highest amounts of Tax Revenue as Percentage of GDP (32.2) in the world, mostly due to their health care, it's not really free.  In fact not only do you pay for your flu shot, but you pay for everyones in the Country, whether they want one or not.


Nowhere in this post are you describing a bad thing.
2014-01-05 10:19:26 AM
2 votes:

InterruptingQuirk: skozlaw: InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.

So you don't do anything that isn't 100% guaranteed or is your derp limited to what you imagine flu shots to be?

Please tell me how the Measles Mumps Rubella vaccine isn't 100% effective and then explain how the flu shot isn't a guessing game by the manufacturers of it as to which two or three of the dozens of strains of influenza they believe may be prevalent this season and that's what they build the shot off each year.


The CDC says the MMR is 95% effective and even with a 2nd dose there is still a small percentage of people who won't develop an immunity. You will never see the CDC say any vaccine is 100% because there isn't such a thing.
2014-01-05 10:00:09 AM
2 votes:

InterruptingQuirk: skozlaw: InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.

So you don't do anything that isn't 100% guaranteed or is your derp limited to what you imagine flu shots to be?

Please tell me how the Measles Mumps Rubella vaccine isn't 100% effective and then explain how the flu shot isn't a guessing game by the manufacturers of it as to which two or three of the dozens of strains of influenza they believe may be prevalent this season and that's what they build the shot off each year.


You ...................................................................... ............................. the point
2014-01-05 09:15:40 AM
2 votes:

InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.


So you don't do anything that isn't 100% guaranteed or is your derp limited to what you imagine flu shots to be?
2014-01-05 06:47:08 PM
1 votes:

MabalzIzari: Say what you will about Obamacare, but in Canada they give out free flu shots at inner-city bars...

OK; now tell me how long you have to wait for an MRI in Canada...


I had to wait a whole week for my first one to diagnose my degenerative disc disease and three whole days for my second. I would have got it quicker though if it was an emergency.
2014-01-05 02:14:28 PM
1 votes:
They do? I got my flu shot in the shopping mall as usual.

Of course, I paid for mine from a private for-profit clinic so I could get it early without a long trip to see my Doctor, where I can get it free. The private clinic charges $25, which in my experience is well worth it to avoid having the flu at Christmas, not to mention cheaper than two taxis or an afternoon off of work. Saves time. Saves money. Saves lives and health. Takes less than half an hour, including the waiting and the watching period to make sure I don't go wonky. You can also give blood in the shopping mall. Canada does not allow the sale of blood, so it relies on volunteers and relatives to give blood in need. They advertise when they run low of certain kinds or there is heavy demand.

See, Canadians are not so different from you. We're just a little smarter and more sensible. And smugger. We are a lot smugger. Canadians annoy me, although I is one. But that's family for you. I have millions of cousins and sisters and aunts, and I have to be realistic, they do get on my nerves, whether they are Canadian, American or miscellanious other.

I recommend a flu shot to anybody who can get one. They give priority to those who need them--medical personal, the elderly, children, the vulnerable, but I can't complain. I survive and probably will unless I contract a strain that kills the young, middle-aged or healthy rather than the old and weak.

Sure, it is a crap shoot. They have to decide which three strains to vaccinate against based on data from Asia and elsewhere, a year before the new flu season starts. Sometimes they guess wrong and sometimes a new strain pops up when it is too late to change all of the vaccines. But you play the cards as they are dealt. As the wise old gamblers say, you may lose but at least you played the cards right.
2014-01-05 02:11:13 PM
1 votes:

InterruptingQuirk: Slartibreakfast: InterruptingQuirk: skozlaw: InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.

So you don't do anything that isn't 100% guaranteed or is your derp limited to what you imagine flu shots to be?

Please tell me how the Measles Mumps Rubella vaccine isn't 100% effective and then explain how the flu shot isn't a guessing game by the manufacturers of it as to which two or three of the dozens of strains of influenza they believe may be prevalent this season and that's what they build the shot off each year.

I was immunized against whooping cough and still got it, no vaccine is 100% effective you halfwit fark.

Yay for more anecdotes and hyperbolic interpretations!


you are a complete moran, I never said that I was anti vaccine... you stupid farking coont.

All of my children are immunized... take your halfwit head and shove it up your halfwit ass.
2014-01-05 01:27:26 PM
1 votes:

Juc: but really, the tax burden isn't that bad. There's a ton of ways to reduce the taxes you pay and by the time you end up having to pay large sums to the tax man, what you pay doesn't really affect your life in any meaningful way aside from maybe being a bit sad at tax time.


If people were half as concerned with how their precious tax dollars are going to wasteful military spending, corporate welfare, bank bailouts, government subsidies of agriculture and oil ...well nothing will have changed so nevermind.
Juc
2014-01-05 01:19:29 PM
1 votes:

Gunderson: When you realize that Canada has on of the highest amounts of Tax Revenue as Percentage of GDP (32.2) in the world, mostly due to their health care, it's not really free.  In fact not only do you pay for your flu shot, but you pay for everyones in the Country, whether they want one or not.


One of the highest is a bit of a stretch if your highest includes like 40 countries.
But regardless, what you described is a good thing.
If my taxes go to making everybody else in the country healthier, it improves my own life. Same is true for education.

I say this as someone directly affected by this stuff (I make a decent wage, own a business on the side, and live in edmonton)

but really, the tax burden isn't that bad. There's a ton of ways to reduce the taxes you pay and by the time you end up having to pay large sums to the tax man, what you pay doesn't really affect your life in any meaningful way aside from maybe being a bit sad at tax time.
2014-01-05 12:40:48 PM
1 votes:

blinkybluegnome: As someone about halfway through a bout of this years flu, I can tell you that I'll even line up to get the shot next year. And I really hate lining up...

/farkin' flu!
//going back to bed


God yes. I suspect people who don't get the shot are confusing the flu with a bad cold.  Real influenza is fever and chills and bone-deep aches for at least two weeks.
2014-01-05 12:14:21 PM
1 votes:

InterruptingQuirk: skozlaw: InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.

So you don't do anything that isn't 100% guaranteed or is your derp limited to what you imagine flu shots to be?

Please tell me how the Measles Mumps Rubella vaccine isn't 100% effective and then explain how the flu shot isn't a guessing game by the manufacturers of it as to which two or three of the dozens of strains of influenza they believe may be prevalent this season and that's what they build the shot off each year.


I was immunized against whooping cough and still got it, no vaccine is 100% effective you halfwit fark.
2014-01-05 11:31:58 AM
1 votes:

Gunderson: When you realize that Canada has on of the highest amounts of Tax Revenue as Percentage of GDP (32.2) in the world, mostly due to their health care, it's not really free.  In fact not only do you pay for your flu shot, but you pay for everyones in the Country, whether they want one or not.


You say that like it's a bad thing.

Seriously.  I don't get what all the complaining about high taxes in countries like Canada, or in the Scandinavian countries is about.

You're paying taxes, and getting essential public services in response.

I already pay over 10% of my income for healthcare, between my out-of-pocket for premiums for myself, my wife and my son, our dental premiums, and co-pay's and prescriptions it's over 10%.

Frankly, I'd rather just pay higher taxes and not have to worry about making a separate payment to different insurance providers, then the burden of medical billing every time we go to the doctor.

In the "Nordic Model" countries, yeah, they pay sky-high taxes, but they never have to worry about paying for education, including up to the college level, never have to worry about paying for healthcare, have a comprehensive cradle-to-grave public social welfare system.  They've got longer lifespans, lower crime rates, and very little homelessness.  They have basically cured most of the routine social ills our country suffers from. . .and it all began with higher taxes and putting that tax money to good use.
2014-01-05 11:24:42 AM
1 votes:

Poutine Breath: Yes, we pay higher taxes, but the peace of mind that a serious illness will not bankrupt you is priceless.


Agreed, just recently started working for a company that cares enough to insure it's employees.  It's amazing when you can actually see a doctor.
2014-01-05 10:44:04 AM
1 votes:
We would never give it out for free.

Then poor people might survive.

Can't have that.
2014-01-05 10:41:20 AM
1 votes:

MabalzIzari: Say what you will about Obamacare, but in Canada they give out free flu shots at inner-city bars...

OK; now tell me how long you have to wait for an MRI in Canada...


I dunno about that, but I had to wait two months to get a physical with my GP. And four months to see a nerve specialist. And I have good insurance. USA! USA! USA!
2014-01-05 10:05:33 AM
1 votes:

InterruptingQuirk: skozlaw: InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.

So you don't do anything that isn't 100% guaranteed or is your derp limited to what you imagine flu shots to be?

Please tell me how the Measles Mumps Rubella vaccine isn't 100% effective and then explain how the flu shot isn't a guessing game by the manufacturers of it as to which two or three of the dozens of strains of influenza they believe may be prevalent this season and that's what they build the shot off each year.


Wearing a helmet won't guarantee you live through a motorcycle accident, but it increases your odds. Also, it's not like they're just throwing darts, they compile research about what's likely to be a prevalent strain of influenza.
2014-01-05 09:09:08 AM
1 votes:
Cheaper in the long run to immunise people rather than have them crowding doctor's offices and ER's for the rest of the winter?  The hell you sayin', rube?
2014-01-05 09:01:50 AM
1 votes:
Obamacare is giving out flu shots in Canada?  Isn't that a little bit out of their jurisdiction?
 
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