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2014-01-05 09:01:50 AM
Obamacare is giving out flu shots in Canada?  Isn't that a little bit out of their jurisdiction?
 
2014-01-05 09:08:25 AM
Now there's a legitimate reason for a syringe to make an appearance at your local Canadian waterin' hole.
 
2014-01-05 09:09:01 AM
Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.
 
2014-01-05 09:09:08 AM
Cheaper in the long run to immunise people rather than have them crowding doctor's offices and ER's for the rest of the winter?  The hell you sayin', rube?
 
2014-01-05 09:10:53 AM
Meh, call me when they start darting people like rhinos to give them flu shots.
 
2014-01-05 09:11:10 AM

In bars?  Can you consent when drunk?


This sounds like the beginning of a dystopic novel.  They're testing a serum on the helpless.


/keep your flu shots to yourself

//middle of worst cedar season evar
///yes, allergies aren't flu, but I get those

 
2014-01-05 09:11:40 AM
"Free"
 
2014-01-05 09:11:50 AM
And how does Canada's health care have anything to do with Obamacare?  We're comparing apples and oranges here.
 
2014-01-05 09:15:40 AM

InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.


So you don't do anything that isn't 100% guaranteed or is your derp limited to what you imagine flu shots to be?
 
2014-01-05 09:18:55 AM

skozlaw: InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.

So you don't do anything that isn't 100% guaranteed or is your derp limited to what you imagine flu shots to be?


Please tell me how the Measles Mumps Rubella vaccine isn't 100% effective and then explain how the flu shot isn't a guessing game by the manufacturers of it as to which two or three of the dozens of strains of influenza they believe may be prevalent this season and that's what they build the shot off each year.
 
2014-01-05 09:24:36 AM
Sorry but the last thing I want is some guy coming at me with a needle in a bar.
 
2014-01-05 09:33:29 AM
Wow, those godless commies.
 
2014-01-05 09:35:29 AM
Those aren't flu shots subby. They're sedatives to numb the Maple Leafs loss last night.
 
2014-01-05 09:36:56 AM

justalittledonedout: Sorry but the last thing I want is some guy coming at me with a needle in a bar.




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2014-01-05 09:38:26 AM
The Conservative party, the Canadian equivalent to US Republicans, is making sure that all girls in Canada are getting vaccinated against HPV by making Gardasil available for all of them.

The Conservative party of Canada actually follows conservative principles and policies.  The GOP in the US, on the other hand, is just a package of knee jerk wedge issues wrapped around a pro-billionaire philosophy.  For example, they believe vaccinating young girls against a potentially fatal disease will turn them into ravenous sex addicts, or, something.  Anything to do with sex is bad, though they like to pretend that they're against abortion for moral reasons and it's not just another sex related wedge issue.

It's embarrassing.
 
2014-01-05 09:51:12 AM

jayphat: Those aren't flu shots subby. They're sedatives to numb the Maple Leafs loss last night.



Nuh uh - they're mind control serums that the government (in collusion with the lizard people) gives to the sheeple to keep them in line.

WAKE UP
 
2014-01-05 09:52:20 AM
Worst. Cocktail. Ever.
 
2014-01-05 09:58:41 AM

fazookus: The Conservative party of Canada actually follows conservative principles and policies


This. It is economically wise to pay a little bit of money to keep our janitors and maids from getting sick and missing work or, even worse, selfishly coming in sick (just because they get no paid sick days) and contaminating productive members of society.

/Farking lucky duckies
 
2014-01-05 10:00:09 AM

InterruptingQuirk: skozlaw: InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.

So you don't do anything that isn't 100% guaranteed or is your derp limited to what you imagine flu shots to be?

Please tell me how the Measles Mumps Rubella vaccine isn't 100% effective and then explain how the flu shot isn't a guessing game by the manufacturers of it as to which two or three of the dozens of strains of influenza they believe may be prevalent this season and that's what they build the shot off each year.


You ...................................................................... ............................. the point
 
2014-01-05 10:02:41 AM
Those aren't flu shots.
 
2014-01-05 10:05:33 AM

InterruptingQuirk: skozlaw: InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.

So you don't do anything that isn't 100% guaranteed or is your derp limited to what you imagine flu shots to be?

Please tell me how the Measles Mumps Rubella vaccine isn't 100% effective and then explain how the flu shot isn't a guessing game by the manufacturers of it as to which two or three of the dozens of strains of influenza they believe may be prevalent this season and that's what they build the shot off each year.


Wearing a helmet won't guarantee you live through a motorcycle accident, but it increases your odds. Also, it's not like they're just throwing darts, they compile research about what's likely to be a prevalent strain of influenza.
 
2014-01-05 10:05:37 AM
They're clearly trying to create an army of autistic homeless people.  To what nefarious end, I do not know.
 
2014-01-05 10:11:23 AM
Autism rates must be skyrocketing.
 
2014-01-05 10:12:36 AM
flu shots only work if someone is still carrying around last year's flu.
 
2014-01-05 10:14:45 AM
When you realize that Canada has on of the highest amounts of Tax Revenue as Percentage of GDP (32.2) in the world, mostly due to their health care, it's not really free.  In fact not only do you pay for your flu shot, but you pay for everyones in the Country, whether they want one or not.
 
2014-01-05 10:19:26 AM

InterruptingQuirk: skozlaw: InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.

So you don't do anything that isn't 100% guaranteed or is your derp limited to what you imagine flu shots to be?

Please tell me how the Measles Mumps Rubella vaccine isn't 100% effective and then explain how the flu shot isn't a guessing game by the manufacturers of it as to which two or three of the dozens of strains of influenza they believe may be prevalent this season and that's what they build the shot off each year.


The CDC says the MMR is 95% effective and even with a 2nd dose there is still a small percentage of people who won't develop an immunity. You will never see the CDC say any vaccine is 100% because there isn't such a thing.
 
2014-01-05 10:19:48 AM

BitwiseShift: justalittledonedout: Sorry but the last thing I want is some guy coming at me with a needle in a bar.

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I would shoot that up, if you know what I mean.
 
2014-01-05 10:39:24 AM
Say what you will about Obamacare, but in Canada they give out free flu shots at inner-city bars...

OK; now tell me how long you have to wait for an MRI in Canada...
 
2014-01-05 10:39:31 AM

Tomahawk513: InterruptingQuirk: skozlaw: InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.

So you don't do anything that isn't 100% guaranteed or is your derp limited to what you imagine flu shots to be?

Please tell me how the Measles Mumps Rubella vaccine isn't 100% effective and then explain how the flu shot isn't a guessing game by the manufacturers of it as to which two or three of the dozens of strains of influenza they believe may be prevalent this season and that's what they build the shot off each year.

Wearing a helmet won't guarantee you live through a motorcycle accident, but it increases your odds. Also, it's not like they're just throwing darts, they compile research about what's likely to be a prevalent strain of influenza.


Yep, and this year it's H1N1. I got my shot because I sure don't want that flu. This is my first year of the shot following three bouts of the flu in three years. My cousin and her three kids all have H1N1. I don't want that here. You can get a flu shot in a lot of places right now, pharmacies, your doctor's office, bars apparently. It's a good idea to get it.
 
2014-01-05 10:40:03 AM
No, you idiot, I ordered a ROUND of shots. Get that needle away from me.
 
2014-01-05 10:41:20 AM

MabalzIzari: Say what you will about Obamacare, but in Canada they give out free flu shots at inner-city bars...

OK; now tell me how long you have to wait for an MRI in Canada...


I dunno about that, but I had to wait two months to get a physical with my GP. And four months to see a nerve specialist. And I have good insurance. USA! USA! USA!
 
2014-01-05 10:43:51 AM

InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.


Articles on H1N1 Deaths in the last 30 days in the USA

That's enough reason for me.
 
2014-01-05 10:44:04 AM
We would never give it out for free.

Then poor people might survive.

Can't have that.
 
2014-01-05 10:44:18 AM

MabalzIzari: Say what you will about Obamacare, but in Canada they give out free flu shots at inner-city bars...

OK; now tell me how long you have to wait for an MRI in Canada...


How much do you have to pay for an MRI?
 
2014-01-05 10:57:18 AM
As someone about halfway through a bout of this years flu, I can tell you that I'll even line up to get the shot next year. And I really hate lining up...

/farkin' flu!
//going back to bed
 
2014-01-05 11:02:23 AM

jakomo002: Cheaper in the long run to immunise people rather than have them crowding doctor's offices and ER's for the rest of the winter?  The hell you sayin', rube?


Problem is the people who need it will refuse it.

And this has nothing to do with Obama Care, hell flu vaccines have been extremely cheap for quite sometime and people still don't get them.
 
2014-01-05 11:08:15 AM
Yes, we pay higher taxes, but the peace of mind that a serious illness will not bankrupt you is priceless.
 
2014-01-05 11:21:28 AM
In before the flu shot somehow magically gives you the flu.
 
2014-01-05 11:23:17 AM

Gunderson: When you realize that Canada has on of the highest amounts of Tax Revenue as Percentage of GDP (32.2) in the world, mostly due to their health care, it's not really free.  In fact not only do you pay for your flu shot, but you pay for everyones in the Country, whether they want one or not.


Nowhere in this post are you describing a bad thing.
 
2014-01-05 11:23:52 AM

MabalzIzari: Say what you will about Obamacare, but in Canada they give out free flu shots at inner-city bars...

OK; now tell me how long you have to wait for an MRI in Canada...


Depends on how important it is.
MRI and CT scans get scheduled partially on triage basis from my anecdotal experience.

I actually got in for two CTs within a month when I was having headache issues out of the blue at one point.

Some people who have a bum knee might wait a few months for an mri but if it's something potentially life threatening, and you've got a decent gp - they'll get you booked in.

Also I'm finding more family practices these days are getting some basic machines that they used to only have at specialist offices or booked at a hospital.
 
2014-01-05 11:24:42 AM

Poutine Breath: Yes, we pay higher taxes, but the peace of mind that a serious illness will not bankrupt you is priceless.


Agreed, just recently started working for a company that cares enough to insure it's employees.  It's amazing when you can actually see a doctor.
 
2014-01-05 11:26:39 AM
I'll have a shot of whiskey with a penicillin chaser.
 
2014-01-05 11:31:24 AM
what better way to dispose of useless poisons then to give it to people who like to drink useless poisons
 
2014-01-05 11:31:58 AM

Gunderson: When you realize that Canada has on of the highest amounts of Tax Revenue as Percentage of GDP (32.2) in the world, mostly due to their health care, it's not really free.  In fact not only do you pay for your flu shot, but you pay for everyones in the Country, whether they want one or not.


You say that like it's a bad thing.

Seriously.  I don't get what all the complaining about high taxes in countries like Canada, or in the Scandinavian countries is about.

You're paying taxes, and getting essential public services in response.

I already pay over 10% of my income for healthcare, between my out-of-pocket for premiums for myself, my wife and my son, our dental premiums, and co-pay's and prescriptions it's over 10%.

Frankly, I'd rather just pay higher taxes and not have to worry about making a separate payment to different insurance providers, then the burden of medical billing every time we go to the doctor.

In the "Nordic Model" countries, yeah, they pay sky-high taxes, but they never have to worry about paying for education, including up to the college level, never have to worry about paying for healthcare, have a comprehensive cradle-to-grave public social welfare system.  They've got longer lifespans, lower crime rates, and very little homelessness.  They have basically cured most of the routine social ills our country suffers from. . .and it all began with higher taxes and putting that tax money to good use.
 
2014-01-05 11:33:35 AM
A flu shot gave me the first cold I've had since I was five.
 
2014-01-05 11:34:48 AM
AND MY TAX DOLLARS HURP DURP!!!!
 
2014-01-05 11:37:01 AM

Silverstaff: Gunderson: When you realize that Canada has on of the highest amounts of Tax Revenue as Percentage of GDP (32.2) in the world, mostly due to their health care, it's not really free.  In fact not only do you pay for your flu shot, but you pay for everyones in the Country, whether they want one or not.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Seriously.  I don't get what all the complaining about high taxes in countries like Canada, or in the Scandinavian countries is about.

You're paying taxes, and getting essential public services in response.

I already pay over 10% of my income for healthcare, between my out-of-pocket for premiums for myself, my wife and my son, our dental premiums, and co-pay's and prescriptions it's over 10%.

Frankly, I'd rather just pay higher taxes and not have to worry about making a separate payment to different insurance providers, then the burden of medical billing every time we go to the doctor.

In the "Nordic Model" countries, yeah, they pay sky-high taxes, but they never have to worry about paying for education, including up to the college level, never have to worry about paying for healthcare, have a comprehensive cradle-to-grave public social welfare system.  They've got longer lifespans, lower crime rates, and very little homelessness.  They have basically cured most of the routine social ills our country suffers from. . .and it all began with higher taxes and putting that tax money to good use.


Rich people don't care about any of that.
And they've convinced some stupid people not to care either, with religion, politics, or whatever means they can.
 
2014-01-05 11:42:10 AM
I wonder if someone has done a cost benefit analysis of flu shots. It wouldn't surprise me if it would pay for itself or nearly so by preventing illness, treating the illness and lost hours to the economy.
 
2014-01-05 11:49:18 AM

drxym: I wonder if someone has done a cost benefit analysis of flu shots. It wouldn't surprise me if it would pay for itself or nearly so by preventing illness, treating the illness and lost hours to the economy.


Yes. The average productivity lost, per day per employee, is ~$60 a day. This was 2 years ago ui saw this number.
 
2014-01-05 11:50:30 AM
How do you know it's a flu shot?
 
2014-01-05 11:53:53 AM

BitwiseShift: justalittledonedout: Sorry but the last thing I want is some guy coming at me with a needle in a bar.


Well she does have cute shoes, but straight girl here so even she isn't convincing me. Last 2 times someone came at me with a needle I ended up in jail. Not surprisingly I now have a needle phobia.
 
2014-01-05 12:08:24 PM
Ugh the Milla Pub, that place should be torn down, it's a real dive. Every time I am driving by it I'm scared the light will turn red and I will have to stop. It's had it's share of murders, drug deals fights, even had a drug deal caught by google street view cameras.
 
2014-01-05 12:14:21 PM

InterruptingQuirk: skozlaw: InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.

So you don't do anything that isn't 100% guaranteed or is your derp limited to what you imagine flu shots to be?

Please tell me how the Measles Mumps Rubella vaccine isn't 100% effective and then explain how the flu shot isn't a guessing game by the manufacturers of it as to which two or three of the dozens of strains of influenza they believe may be prevalent this season and that's what they build the shot off each year.


I was immunized against whooping cough and still got it, no vaccine is 100% effective you halfwit fark.
 
2014-01-05 12:19:08 PM
Yeah, but it's Edmonton, Subby. All they've got is bars. Otherwise, there digging sand out from underneath the snow.
 
2014-01-05 12:40:48 PM

blinkybluegnome: As someone about halfway through a bout of this years flu, I can tell you that I'll even line up to get the shot next year. And I really hate lining up...

/farkin' flu!
//going back to bed


God yes. I suspect people who don't get the shot are confusing the flu with a bad cold.  Real influenza is fever and chills and bone-deep aches for at least two weeks.
 
2014-01-05 12:53:31 PM

Silverstaff: and it all began with higher taxes and putting that tax money to good use.


Unfortunately the US will never be able to adopt the Nordic Model of Cradle to Grave.

"putting that tax money to good use" is a phrase unheard of by the US congress.

Norway doesn't have to support the Military-Industrial complex that the US does.

Norway doesn't have to contend with the litigious society that America has.  The WHO ranks the USA health care on the same level as Cuba, but US cost 20 times more in adjusted dollars.  One of the biggest medical expenses is Malpractice insurance and the expenses from medical lawsuits.

Public health is already in place for certain segments of the US society. the veterans (to see how well that is, just look at the Walter Reed hospital debacle) and those on Public assistance (rampant with fraud from both the providers and the users).

Also look at Social Security, another "cradle to grave" concept.  It has reached the point where citizens pay more into it than they get back*.  If your job asked you to enroll in a retirement fund that promised a negative yield, would you do it?


TL, DR:  The only way to fix US health care (and education) is to rip down the entire institution and rebuild it from the ground up.  And the only way that would happen is if their was a revolution and a new government was put in place.

* http://business.time.com/2012/08/07/social-security-now-takes-more-th a n-it-gives/
 
2014-01-05 12:56:37 PM

katerbug72: MabalzIzari: Say what you will about Obamacare, but in Canada they give out free flu shots at inner-city bars...

OK; now tell me how long you have to wait for an MRI in Canada...

How much do you have to pay for an MRI?


Y'know who needs MRI's? People who can't wait 6 months.
 
Juc
2014-01-05 01:19:29 PM

Gunderson: When you realize that Canada has on of the highest amounts of Tax Revenue as Percentage of GDP (32.2) in the world, mostly due to their health care, it's not really free.  In fact not only do you pay for your flu shot, but you pay for everyones in the Country, whether they want one or not.


One of the highest is a bit of a stretch if your highest includes like 40 countries.
But regardless, what you described is a good thing.
If my taxes go to making everybody else in the country healthier, it improves my own life. Same is true for education.

I say this as someone directly affected by this stuff (I make a decent wage, own a business on the side, and live in edmonton)

but really, the tax burden isn't that bad. There's a ton of ways to reduce the taxes you pay and by the time you end up having to pay large sums to the tax man, what you pay doesn't really affect your life in any meaningful way aside from maybe being a bit sad at tax time.
 
2014-01-05 01:27:26 PM

Juc: but really, the tax burden isn't that bad. There's a ton of ways to reduce the taxes you pay and by the time you end up having to pay large sums to the tax man, what you pay doesn't really affect your life in any meaningful way aside from maybe being a bit sad at tax time.


If people were half as concerned with how their precious tax dollars are going to wasteful military spending, corporate welfare, bank bailouts, government subsidies of agriculture and oil ...well nothing will have changed so nevermind.
 
2014-01-05 01:40:00 PM

People_are_Idiots: katerbug72: MabalzIzari: Say what you will about Obamacare, but in Canada they give out free flu shots at inner-city bars...

OK; now tell me how long you have to wait for an MRI in Canada...

How much do you have to pay for an MRI?

Y'know who needs MRI's? People who can't wait 6 months.


I can't say for an MRI as I've never had one but I have had a CT scan and it didn't take six months to get. I guess it's also a matter of geography. I definitely think our health care system is flawed but I still love it as we haven't gone into permanent debt due to the birth of our son. He spent the first month of his life in the NICU and I can't imagine how much that would have cost if we lived in the US.
 
2014-01-05 01:42:22 PM

Gunderson: In fact not only do you pay for your flu shot, but you pay for everyones in the Country, whether they want one or not.


which is kinda how vaccinations work - You have to vaccinate the entire herd or the pathogen mutates and hits back.

// Does not take fly shots (nor do I get them for kids)
/ Takes all other prescribed vaccinations (and provide them for the kids
// Canadian and proud (also a proud New Zealander, similar system in both countries)
 
2014-01-05 02:01:53 PM

Slartibartfaster: Gunderson: In fact not only do you pay for your flu shot, but you pay for everyones in the Country, whether they want one or not.

which is kinda how vaccinations work - You have to vaccinate the entire herd or the pathogen mutates and hits back.

// Does not take fly shots (nor do I get them for kids)
/ Takes all other prescribed vaccinations (and provide them for the kids
// Canadian and proud (also a proud New Zealander, similar system in both countries)


cool, your name threw me for a loop for a second... was wondering when I posted this comment.

/need to cut down on the holiday spirits
//really need to cut down
///my liver just failed
 
2014-01-05 02:03:40 PM

Tomahawk513: InterruptingQuirk: skozlaw: InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.

So you don't do anything that isn't 100% guaranteed or is your derp limited to what you imagine flu shots to be?

Please tell me how the Measles Mumps Rubella vaccine isn't 100% effective and then explain how the flu shot isn't a guessing game by the manufacturers of it as to which two or three of the dozens of strains of influenza they believe may be prevalent this season and that's what they build the shot off each year.

Wearing a helmet won't guarantee you live through a motorcycle accident, but it increases your odds. Also, it's not like they're just throwing darts, they compile research about what's likely to be a prevalent strain of influenza.

SCIENCE!
 
2014-01-05 02:04:46 PM

dennysgod: InterruptingQuirk: skozlaw: InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.

So you don't do anything that isn't 100% guaranteed or is your derp limited to what you imagine flu shots to be?

Please tell me how the Measles Mumps Rubella vaccine isn't 100% effective and then explain how the flu shot isn't a guessing game by the manufacturers of it as to which two or three of the dozens of strains of influenza they believe may be prevalent this season and that's what they build the shot off each year.

The CDC says the MMR is 95% effective and even with a 2nd dose there is still a small percentage of people who won't develop an immunity. You will never see the CDC say any vaccine is 100% because there isn't such a thing.


And the percentage of effectiveness the flu vaccine has against the strain they didn't include in the serum this year is 0%.
 
2014-01-05 02:05:22 PM

katerbug72: Tomahawk513: InterruptingQuirk: skozlaw: InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.

So you don't do anything that isn't 100% guaranteed or is your derp limited to what you imagine flu shots to be?

Please tell me how the Measles Mumps Rubella vaccine isn't 100% effective and then explain how the flu shot isn't a guessing game by the manufacturers of it as to which two or three of the dozens of strains of influenza they believe may be prevalent this season and that's what they build the shot off each year.

Wearing a helmet won't guarantee you live through a motorcycle accident, but it increases your odds. Also, it's not like they're just throwing darts, they compile research about what's likely to be a prevalent strain of influenza.

Yep, and this year it's H1N1. I got my shot because I sure don't want that flu. This is my first year of the shot following three bouts of the flu in three years. My cousin and her three kids all have H1N1. I don't want that here. You can get a flu shot in a lot of places right now, pharmacies, your doctor's office, bars apparently. It's a good idea to get it.


Yay anecdotes!
 
2014-01-05 02:06:00 PM

AngryDragon: InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.

Articles on H1N1 Deaths in the last 30 days in the USA

That's enough reason for me.


Oogie Boogie~~~~!!!
 
2014-01-05 02:07:18 PM

Slartibreakfast: InterruptingQuirk: skozlaw: InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.

So you don't do anything that isn't 100% guaranteed or is your derp limited to what you imagine flu shots to be?

Please tell me how the Measles Mumps Rubella vaccine isn't 100% effective and then explain how the flu shot isn't a guessing game by the manufacturers of it as to which two or three of the dozens of strains of influenza they believe may be prevalent this season and that's what they build the shot off each year.

I was immunized against whooping cough and still got it, no vaccine is 100% effective you halfwit fark.


Yay for more anecdotes and hyperbolic interpretations!
 
2014-01-05 02:11:13 PM

InterruptingQuirk: Slartibreakfast: InterruptingQuirk: skozlaw: InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.

So you don't do anything that isn't 100% guaranteed or is your derp limited to what you imagine flu shots to be?

Please tell me how the Measles Mumps Rubella vaccine isn't 100% effective and then explain how the flu shot isn't a guessing game by the manufacturers of it as to which two or three of the dozens of strains of influenza they believe may be prevalent this season and that's what they build the shot off each year.

I was immunized against whooping cough and still got it, no vaccine is 100% effective you halfwit fark.

Yay for more anecdotes and hyperbolic interpretations!


you are a complete moran, I never said that I was anti vaccine... you stupid farking coont.

All of my children are immunized... take your halfwit head and shove it up your halfwit ass.
 
2014-01-05 02:14:28 PM
They do? I got my flu shot in the shopping mall as usual.

Of course, I paid for mine from a private for-profit clinic so I could get it early without a long trip to see my Doctor, where I can get it free. The private clinic charges $25, which in my experience is well worth it to avoid having the flu at Christmas, not to mention cheaper than two taxis or an afternoon off of work. Saves time. Saves money. Saves lives and health. Takes less than half an hour, including the waiting and the watching period to make sure I don't go wonky. You can also give blood in the shopping mall. Canada does not allow the sale of blood, so it relies on volunteers and relatives to give blood in need. They advertise when they run low of certain kinds or there is heavy demand.

See, Canadians are not so different from you. We're just a little smarter and more sensible. And smugger. We are a lot smugger. Canadians annoy me, although I is one. But that's family for you. I have millions of cousins and sisters and aunts, and I have to be realistic, they do get on my nerves, whether they are Canadian, American or miscellanious other.

I recommend a flu shot to anybody who can get one. They give priority to those who need them--medical personal, the elderly, children, the vulnerable, but I can't complain. I survive and probably will unless I contract a strain that kills the young, middle-aged or healthy rather than the old and weak.

Sure, it is a crap shoot. They have to decide which three strains to vaccinate against based on data from Asia and elsewhere, a year before the new flu season starts. Sometimes they guess wrong and sometimes a new strain pops up when it is too late to change all of the vaccines. But you play the cards as they are dealt. As the wise old gamblers say, you may lose but at least you played the cards right.
 
2014-01-05 02:28:41 PM
All I know is that when the big plague or epidemic DOES hit (and it will happen, eventually), America will be one of the first nations to lose a large percentage of the population, because here we don't practice preventative care-- Here, profit comes before the public good, and if the plague-- whatever it may be-- seems to be an opportunity for insurance companies and pharma companies to profit, they will make sure that only those who can pay for it will be given access to any antivirus, cure, what-have-you.

In Canada, the UK, and most other civilized nations, the people will wait in lines to get treatment for free... But they'll live, while Americans will perish simply because they don't have decent enough coverage or enough money to be in the survivor's club.
 
2014-01-05 02:28:58 PM

Slartibreakfast: InterruptingQuirk: Slartibreakfast: InterruptingQuirk: skozlaw: InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.

So you don't do anything that isn't 100% guaranteed or is your derp limited to what you imagine flu shots to be?

Please tell me how the Measles Mumps Rubella vaccine isn't 100% effective and then explain how the flu shot isn't a guessing game by the manufacturers of it as to which two or three of the dozens of strains of influenza they believe may be prevalent this season and that's what they build the shot off each year.

I was immunized against whooping cough and still got it, no vaccine is 100% effective you halfwit fark.

Yay for more anecdotes and hyperbolic interpretations!

you are a complete moran, I never said that I was anti vaccine... you stupid farking coont.

All of my children are immunized... take your halfwit head and shove it up your halfwit ass.


Well, that escalated quickly.

I never said you were anti-vaccine either. I merely responded to your anecdotal evidence that one vaccine was ineffective for you.

And the other half of my comment is for you taking, just like a few others, the whole 100% literally. 95% is worlds apart from guaranteed 20% effectiveness at best, especially considering very few people know if they have even been exposed for the vaccine to have done anything the years in which they get it.

On the flip side of knowing if you have been exposed and whether or not the vaccine you have been administered is worth the time and risk, if you encounter someone with measles, mumps, or rubella, you know it!
 
2014-01-05 02:29:51 PM

justalittledonedout: Sorry but the last thing I want is some guy coming at me with a needle in a bar.


At the end of the night, that's the only choice some of the uglier girls have left.
 
2014-01-05 02:34:18 PM

InterruptingQuirk: Slartibreakfast: InterruptingQuirk: Slartibreakfast: InterruptingQuirk: skozlaw: InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.

So you don't do anything that isn't 100% guaranteed or is your derp limited to what you imagine flu shots to be?

Please tell me how the Measles Mumps Rubella vaccine isn't 100% effective and then explain how the flu shot isn't a guessing game by the manufacturers of it as to which two or three of the dozens of strains of influenza they believe may be prevalent this season and that's what they build the shot off each year.

I was immunized against whooping cough and still got it, no vaccine is 100% effective you halfwit fark.

Yay for more anecdotes and hyperbolic interpretations!

you are a complete moran, I never said that I was anti vaccine... you stupid farking coont.

All of my children are immunized... take your halfwit head and shove it up your halfwit ass.

Well, that escalated quickly.

I never said you were anti-vaccine either. I merely responded to your anecdotal evidence that one vaccine was ineffective for you.

And the other half of my comment is for you taking, just like a few others, the whole 100% literally. 95% is worlds apart from guaranteed 20% effectiveness at best, especially considering very few people know if they have even been exposed for the vaccine to have done anything the years in which they get it.

On the flip side of knowing if you have been exposed and whether or not the vaccine you have been administered is worth the time and risk, if you encounter someone with measles, mumps, or rubella, you know it!


Wow, celebrate that you are the first on my ignore list, you are a complete moran...
 
2014-01-05 02:45:39 PM

Slartibreakfast: Wow, celebrate that you are the first on my ignore list, you are a complete moran...


dl6.glitter-graphics.net
 
2014-01-05 03:11:11 PM

MabalzIzari: Say what you will about Obamacare, but in Canada they give out free flu shots at inner-city bars...

OK; now tell me how long you have to wait for an MRI in Canada...


Me? Two days.

Procedures that need to done, get done.
 
2014-01-05 03:28:00 PM

Slartibreakfast: InterruptingQuirk: Slartibreakfast: InterruptingQuirk: Slartibreakfast: InterruptingQuirk: skozlaw: InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.

So you don't do anything that isn't 100% guaranteed or is your derp limited to what you imagine flu shots to be?

Please tell me how the Measles Mumps Rubella vaccine isn't 100% effective and then explain how the flu shot isn't a guessing game by the manufacturers of it as to which two or three of the dozens of strains of influenza they believe may be prevalent this season and that's what they build the shot off each year.

I was immunized against whooping cough and still got it, no vaccine is 100% effective you halfwit fark.

Yay for more anecdotes and hyperbolic interpretations!

you are a complete moran, I never said that I was anti vaccine... you stupid farking coont.

All of my children are immunized... take your halfwit head and shove it up your halfwit ass.

Well, that escalated quickly.

I never said you were anti-vaccine either. I merely responded to your anecdotal evidence that one vaccine was ineffective for you.

And the other half of my comment is for you taking, just like a few others, the whole 100% literally. 95% is worlds apart from guaranteed 20% effectiveness at best, especially considering very few people know if they have even been exposed for the vaccine to have done anything the years in which they get it.

On the flip side of knowing if you have been exposed and whether or not the vaccine you have been administered is worth the time and risk, if you encounter someone with measles, mumps, or rubella, you know it!

Wow, celebrate that you are the first on my ignore list, you are a complete moran...


I always think its so funny when people make a point to tell you that you're now on their ignore list....I'm sure he/she really gives half a shiat, lol
 
2014-01-05 03:56:08 PM

Witness99: Slartibreakfast: InterruptingQuirk: Slartibreakfast: InterruptingQuirk: Slartibreakfast: InterruptingQuirk: skozlaw: InterruptingQuirk: Tell me about flu shots when it isn't a crap shoot of effectiveness, then I'll take it like all my other shots that take care of the problem they are named for.

So you don't do anything that isn't 100% guaranteed or is your derp limited to what you imagine flu shots to be?

---

Wow, celebrate that you are the first on my ignore list, you are a complete moran...

I always think its so funny when people make a point to tell you that you're now on their ignore list....I'm sure he/she really gives half a shiat, lol


Well, actually, some of the trolls do get a little pissy about it. They're stalking you, they're making it a point to be a dick to you, and you've just stopped paying attention to them. They have to stop masturbating and everything.
 
2014-01-05 04:09:39 PM
ZeroCorpse:
Well, actually, some of the trolls do get a little pissy about it. They're stalking you, they're making it a point to be a dick to you, and you've just stopped paying attention to them. They have to stop masturbating and everything.

Might I ask you, am I perceived to be a troll in all of this?

/I don't believe I am.
 
2014-01-05 04:18:39 PM

InterruptingQuirk: ZeroCorpse:
Well, actually, some of the trolls do get a little pissy about it. They're stalking you, they're making it a point to be a dick to you, and you've just stopped paying attention to them. They have to stop masturbating and everything.

Might I ask you, am I perceived to be a troll in all of this?

/I don't believe I am.


Not at all. But then, I don't fully understand the concept...apparently there are kids or welfare recipients that sit home all day with the time and inclination to falsely "get a rise" out of people.

In my experience, including here on Fark, you can be labelled that when you disagree or have an unusual opinion. Then people will revel in declaring in the middle of the thread that you have been "ignored."

I always thought that was the pussy route to go, but to each his own.
 
2014-01-05 04:29:55 PM

Witness99: InterruptingQuirk: ZeroCorpse:
Well, actually, some of the trolls do get a little pissy about it. They're stalking you, they're making it a point to be a dick to you, and you've just stopped paying attention to them. They have to stop masturbating and everything.

Might I ask you, am I perceived to be a troll in all of this?

/I don't believe I am.

Not at all. But then, I don't fully understand the concept...apparently there are kids or welfare recipients that sit home all day with the time and inclination to falsely "get a rise" out of people.

In my experience, including here on Fark, you can be labelled that when you disagree or have an unusual opinion. Then people will revel in declaring in the middle of the thread that you have been "ignored."

I always thought that was the pussy route to go, but to each his own.


I need to start keeping track of all the people who say they've ignored me, because I'm pretty sure I've seen the same names making that claim several times...
 
2014-01-05 05:13:02 PM

Witness99: InterruptingQuirk: ZeroCorpse:
Well, actually, some of the trolls do get a little pissy about it. They're stalking you, they're making it a point to be a dick to you, and you've just stopped paying attention to them. They have to stop masturbating and everything.

Might I ask you, am I perceived to be a troll in all of this?

/I don't believe I am.

Not at all. But then, I don't fully understand the concept...apparently there are kids or welfare recipients that sit home all day with the time and inclination to falsely "get a rise" out of people.

In my experience, including here on Fark, you can be labelled that when you disagree or have an unusual opinion. Then people will revel in declaring in the middle of the thread that you have been "ignored."

I always thought that was the pussy route to go, but to each his own.


Thanks for the feedback.
 
2014-01-05 06:08:31 PM

jayphat: Those aren't flu shots subby. They're sedatives to numb the Maple Leafs loss last night.


Edmonton, so Oilers loss, and they are plenty of them.
 
2014-01-05 06:47:08 PM

MabalzIzari: Say what you will about Obamacare, but in Canada they give out free flu shots at inner-city bars...

OK; now tell me how long you have to wait for an MRI in Canada...


I had to wait a whole week for my first one to diagnose my degenerative disc disease and three whole days for my second. I would have got it quicker though if it was an emergency.
 
2014-01-05 07:41:05 PM

alltim: jayphat: Those aren't flu shots subby. They're sedatives to numb the Maple Leafs loss last night.

Edmonton, so Oilers loss, and they are plenty of them.


See, I don't know why you cry. You EXPECT them to lose.
 
2014-01-06 02:21:16 AM

People_are_Idiots: katerbug72: MabalzIzari: Say what you will about Obamacare, but in Canada they give out free flu shots at inner-city bars...

OK; now tell me how long you have to wait for an MRI in Canada...

How much do you have to pay for an MRI?

Y'know who needs MRI's? People who can't wait 6 months.


They'll be in crippling debt for the rest of their lives, but at least they didn't have to be inconvenienced timewise.
 
2014-01-06 11:35:19 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: People_are_Idiots: katerbug72: MabalzIzari: Say what you will about Obamacare, but in Canada they give out free flu shots at inner-city bars...

OK; now tell me how long you have to wait for an MRI in Canada...

How much do you have to pay for an MRI?

Y'know who needs MRI's? People who can't wait 6 months.

They'll be in crippling debt for the rest of their lives, but at least they didn't have to be inconvenienced timewise.


Yeah, cause they'll use the money they save to get buried or burned.

katerbug72: People_are_Idiots: katerbug72: MabalzIzari: Say what you will about Obamacare, but in Canada they give out free flu shots at inner-city bars...

OK; now tell me how long you have to wait for an MRI in Canada...

How much do you have to pay for an MRI?

Y'know who needs MRI's? People who can't wait 6 months.

I can't say for an MRI as I've never had one but I have had a CT scan and it didn't take six months to get. I guess it's also a matter of geography. I definitely think our health care system is flawed but I still love it as we haven't gone into permanent debt due to the birth of our son. He spent the first month of his life in the NICU and I can't imagine how much that would have cost if we lived in the US.


CT scan is still vastly different than an MRI. An MRI is very detailed for some items and can find things that a CT scan can miss.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/CT_Scan_vs_MRI
 
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