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2014-01-04 06:31:45 PM
lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-01-04 06:37:30 PM
Lucky down staters.... roads were spotless.

Still diggin out up here in the Adirondacks, but yeah, cool landing bro.
 
2014-01-04 06:39:43 PM
It was a beautiful day for flying today (albeit cold). I wonder what went wrong.
Nice landing, though. Road traffic was light today, but those overpasses can ruin your day.
 
2014-01-04 06:40:03 PM
Cute, but those types of aircraft don't use LGA.

Teterboro would have been the closest airport that takes private aircraft.
 
2014-01-04 06:40:58 PM
That doesn't look like all that miraculous of a landing.
 
2014-01-04 06:46:26 PM
He used the Schwartz
 
2014-01-04 06:49:10 PM
filmfanatic.org
 
2014-01-04 06:50:39 PM

LemSkroob: Cute, but those types of aircraft don't use LGA.

Teterboro would have been the closest airport that takes private aircraft.


FTA: "Air traffic controllers had attempted to divert the plane to LaGuardia Airport but lost contact."

Cute, indeed.
 
2014-01-04 06:51:39 PM
The miracle part was they were not beaten to death by cutting off drivers in the Bronx.
 
2014-01-04 06:53:05 PM

LemSkroob: Cute, but those types of aircraft don't use LGA.

Teterboro would have been the closest airport that takes private aircraft.


Pilot was on tour of Statue of Liberty and ran into trouble, declared it, and headed to nearest airport. At that point he can use any airport he wants, he is in control. Also about 2% of LGA's traffic according to Airnav is general aviation and they do sell 100LL as well as JET-A
 
2014-01-04 06:53:59 PM

LemSkroob: Cute, but those types of aircraft don't use LGA.

Teterboro would have been the closest airport that takes private aircraft.


With no engine any airport will take you if you are within gliding range.

/Is from CT and just starting on my private pilots license
// I'll have to look into a flight around the Statue of Liberty some day
 
2014-01-04 06:54:19 PM
In the morning it will be sitting wheel-less on milk crates, with the avionics stripped and covered in graffiti tags.
 
2014-01-04 06:55:48 PM

Any Pie Left: In the morning it will be sitting wheel-less on milk crates, with the avionics stripped and covered in graffiti tags.


This, plus those orange labels that the police use.
 
2014-01-04 07:00:48 PM
I remember I had the Lasagna.
 
2014-01-04 07:00:50 PM

LemSkroob: Cute, but those types of aircraft don't use LGA.

Teterboro would have been the closest airport that takes private aircraft.


In an emergency just about any airport will take just about any aircraft.
 
2014-01-04 07:06:25 PM

LemSkroob: Cute, but those types of aircraft don't use LGA.

Teterboro would have been the closest airport that takes private aircraft.


You think people are gonna seriously use this thread to discuss things legitimately and not just post AIRPLANE! quotes? Surely you can't be serious.
 
2014-01-04 07:13:46 PM
Pranged his kite right in the how's your father. Hairy blighter dicky-birded, feathered back on his Sammy, took a waspy, flipped over on his Betty Harper's and caught his can in the Bertie.
 
2014-01-04 07:14:09 PM

Oldiron_79: LemSkroob: Cute, but those types of aircraft don't use LGA.

Teterboro would have been the closest airport that takes private aircraft.

You think people are gonna seriously use this thread to discuss things legitimately and not just post AIRPLANE! quotes? Surely you can't be serious.


I am serious.
 
2014-01-04 07:18:24 PM
I am somewhat surprised that GA is allowed in the airspace around New York's landmarks, after 9/11 and all that...
 
2014-01-04 07:21:39 PM
What's the aftermath of something like this?  Does the pilot get fined?  Do they do an investigation into what happened to the plane to see if he was at fault or if it was just a freak mechanical failure?  Or, does he just have to pay to have it towed away from the freeway and fly again as soon as its repaired?
 
2014-01-04 07:23:54 PM
4718: I don't know, I think he said he was going in the Hudson. on the Major Deegan
 
2014-01-04 07:38:02 PM
Thank goodness he did not try to land on the Sargent Digan.
 
2014-01-04 07:44:00 PM

Oldiron_79: LemSkroob: Cute, but those types of aircraft don't use LGA.

Teterboro would have been the closest airport that takes private aircraft.

You think people are gonna seriously use this thread to discuss things legitimately and not just post AIRPLANE! quotes? Surely you can't be serious.


Yes we will.  And stop calling me Shirley.
 
2014-01-04 07:46:45 PM

ukexpat: I am somewhat surprised that GA is allowed in the airspace around New York's landmarks, after 9/11 and all that...


I guess they should also ban Ryder trucks from Ok City as well?
 
2014-01-04 07:46:52 PM

AloysiusSnuffleupagus: Oldiron_79: LemSkroob: Cute, but those types of aircraft don't use LGA.

Teterboro would have been the closest airport that takes private aircraft.

You think people are gonna seriously use this thread to discuss things legitimately and not just post AIRPLANE! quotes? Surely you can't be serious.

Yes we will.  And stop calling me Shirley.


So have you ever been inside a turkish prison?
 
2014-01-04 07:49:30 PM

TuteTibiImperes: What's the aftermath of something like this?  Does the pilot get fined?  Do they do an investigation into what happened to the plane to see if he was at fault or if it was just a freak mechanical failure?  Or, does he just have to pay to have it towed away from the freeway and fly again as soon as its repaired?


The short term aftermath involves changing one's undergarments. Long term, I have no idea.
 
2014-01-04 07:55:23 PM
must have set her down awfully hard to buckle the gear like that.
 
2014-01-04 07:58:42 PM

ChubbyTiger: TuteTibiImperes: What's the aftermath of something like this?  Does the pilot get fined?  Do they do an investigation into what happened to the plane to see if he was at fault or if it was just a freak mechanical failure?  Or, does he just have to pay to have it towed away from the freeway and fly again as soon as its repaired?

The short term aftermath involves changing one's undergarments. Long term, I have no idea.


assets.nydailynews.com
Maybe a drug test.
 
2014-01-04 08:05:45 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: must have set her down awfully hard to buckle the gear like that.


when coming in hard like that in NYC's vagina of an airport...... awwww fugaboutit
 
2014-01-04 08:15:28 PM
"The quick-thinking Lopez stopped traffic giving the plane an empty runway, FDNY officials said."

I wish to more about this ^^^

But that article was terrible. It's like someone threw a bunch of sentences into a tumbler and pasted them together in the order they came out.
 
2014-01-04 08:35:33 PM

TuteTibiImperes: What's the aftermath of something like this? Does the pilot get fined? Do they do an investigation into what happened to the plane to see if he was at fault or if it was just a freak mechanical failure? Or, does he just have to pay to have it towed away from the freeway and fly again as soon as its repaired?


The plane went down near 233rd? Then half of Woodlawn shows up to buy drinks for the girls on the plane, doubly so if they're Irish.
 
2014-01-04 08:41:10 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: must have set her down awfully hard to buckle the gear like that.


Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing
 
2014-01-04 08:50:49 PM

LemSkroob: Cute, but those types of aircraft don't use LGA.

Teterboro would have been the closest airport that takes private aircraft.



"Wanna get particular and make it a runway, huh???"

Wouldn't matter much. Once you declare an emergency, you land it on anything that's not a tree or office tower.

/I should know, I'm an expert...... landed a pixel on a highway AND disguised it as a pothole once.
 
2014-01-04 08:51:31 PM
That article read like retards for retards
 
2014-01-04 08:52:09 PM
Congratulations to Mr. Miguel on some quick thinking!
 
2014-01-04 08:56:26 PM
That's not where the Expressway Visual is supposed to end up, dummy.


/but seriously, any landing you walk away from, etc.
 
2014-01-04 09:05:21 PM
i just want to say good luck, we are all counting on you. over
 
2014-01-04 09:11:20 PM
The Yankees are not playing again until April
 
2014-01-04 09:13:22 PM
Striker...
Striker...
STRIKER! *punch*
Ted Striker?
 
2014-01-04 09:44:32 PM
What is their farking problem, holding up traffic like that?
 
2014-01-04 09:48:05 PM
No hero here folks, he missed the Hudson river.

tshauk: Lucky down staters.... roads were spotless.

Still diggin out up here in the Adirondacks, but yeah, cool landing bro.


Not for long.  We're getting hammered right now, and we'll be sending it along right away.  Enjoy.

/Our roads were only cleared for a few hours before it started snowing again.
 
2014-01-04 09:53:06 PM

ukexpat: I am somewhat surprised that GA is allowed in the airspace around New York's landmarks, after 9/11 and all that...


Looks like there is a corridor setup for GA flying down the river for sightseeing.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=14&ved=0CFkQFjAN&url=htt p s%3A%2F%2Fwww.faasafety.gov%2Ffiles%2Fgslac%2Fcourses%2Fcontent%2F79%2 F775%2Fkneeboard.pdf&ei=GMjIUqLLOqrMsQTOkID4DQ&usg=AFQjCNGV1mPEdxYg2T5 rtgkkTNWYSjpUpg&sig2=4dfKQ-MjzhOm0eiuqxknnQ
 
2014-01-04 10:27:09 PM

Loki009: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=14&ved=0CFkQFjAN&url=htt p s%3A%2F%2Fwww.faasafety.gov%2Ffiles%2Fgslac%2Fcourses%2Fcontent%2F79%2 F775%2Fkneeboard.pdf&ei=GMjIUqLLOqrMsQTOkID4DQ&usg=AFQjCNGV1mPEdxYg2T5 rtgkkTNWYSjpUpg&sig2=4dfKQ-MjzhOm0eiuqxknnQ


Loki009: ukexpat: I am somewhat surprised that GA is allowed in the airspace around New York's landmarks, after 9/11 and all that...

Looks like there is a corridor setup for GA flying down the river for sightseeing.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=14&ved=0CFkQFjAN&url=htt p s%3A%2F%2Fwww.faasafety.gov%2Ffiles%2Fgslac%2Fcourses%2Fcontent%2F79%2 F775%2Fkneeboard.pdf&ei=GMjIUqLLOqrMsQTOkID4DQ&usg=AFQjCNGV1mPEdxYg2T5 rtgkkTNWYSjpUpg&sig2=4dfKQ-MjzhOm0eiuqxknnQ


Ah that would explain it.
 
2014-01-04 10:31:22 PM

TuteTibiImperes: What's the aftermath of something like this?  Does the pilot get fined?  Do they do an investigation into what happened to the plane to see if he was at fault or if it was just a freak mechanical failure?  Or, does he just have to pay to have it towed away from the freeway and fly again as soon as its repaired?


1) Cleanup
2) Possibly
3) Yes
4) Yes
 
2014-01-04 10:37:53 PM
" ... and then we ended up at LaGuardia. LaGuardia? No one goes to LaGuardia any more."
 
2014-01-04 10:47:46 PM

LemSkroob: Cute, but those types of aircraft don't use LGA.

Teterboro would have been the closest airport that takes private aircraft.


Aircraft declaring an emergency can use LGA.

I know of a guy flying a Piper who got lost in low clouds, declared an emergency and was given permission to land at LGA.
His family refused to ever fly with him again.

Can't imagine.....

Actually declaring an emergency and asking for help shows he wasn't a total idjit.
 
2014-01-04 10:49:08 PM

Loki009: ukexpat: I am somewhat surprised that GA is allowed in the airspace around New York's landmarks, after 9/11 and all that...

Looks like there is a corridor setup for GA flying down the river for sightseeing.


Yeah, and ThankyewCoreyLidle the East River part is gone.
 
2014-01-04 10:54:51 PM
Awwwww...I was going to give the reporters Kudos for correctly calling it a Piper airplane and resisting saying the word "Cessna,": then he goes and screws it up saying the plane "stalled."

No. The engine quit.

A stall is different kind of not flying. Altogether.
 
2014-01-04 11:48:57 PM
A stall is different kind of not flying.
 
2014-01-04 11:51:30 PM

netringer: Awwwww...I was going to give the reporters Kudos for correctly calling it a Piper airplane and resisting saying the word "Cessna,": then he goes and screws it up saying the plane "stalled."

No. The engine quit.

A stall is different kind of not flying. Altogether.


the engine stalled... the plane did not.
/it's an entirely different kind of stalling
 
2014-01-05 12:04:04 AM
Stalling an airplane can make the landing gear look like that picture.
 
2014-01-05 12:05:31 AM

tshauk: Lucky down staters.... roads were spotless.

Still diggin out up here in the Adirondacks, but yeah, cool landing bro.


Okay, this is where I put on my pilot hat and criticize the poor schmoe.

That was a terrible landing. That would've been a great landing in a field, but he landed on a paved surface and buckled the gear on a PA-28? Those things are built to take abuse, so he'd have to have pinned that plane hard.

Also, the prop wasn't spinning? Likely fuel starvation, maybe carb icing, but I only did a quick skim so there might have been a real mechanical issue. The first two are basic pilot mistakes and really fit with the poor landing.
 
2014-01-05 12:15:37 AM

TuteTibiImperes: What's the aftermath of something like this?  Does the pilot get fined?  Do they do an investigation into what happened to the plane to see if he was at fault or if it was just a freak mechanical failure?  Or, does he just have to pay to have it towed away from the freeway and fly again as soon as its repaired?


NTSB checks the accident over, pilot files a report with NASA accident group, and it all depends. Likely he screwed up and gets an FAA ride (skills check) with a Pilot Examiner. He didn't do anything that was nuts, or act erratically.

This thing is parts now. Fined? Not likely, but his insurance is likely to take a jump.

I say he needs to work on his landings, that was terrible.

A small plane can land without power. Heck, you practice short power loss landings constantly in training. You're in the pattern, the instructor yanks the power (engine dead) and your ~1000' AGL, parallel to the runway. You have to get there without stalling, and land. After the first couple tries you should be able to recite the whole procedure in your head, and pull it off without trying. Small planes have an 8.5:1 to 10:1 glide ratio on average.
 
2014-01-05 12:29:06 AM

ukexpat: I am somewhat surprised that GA is allowed in the airspace around New York's landmarks, after 9/11 and all that...


Safer than you think. When Meigs was still in Chicago, the airspace was restricted. Heck, Meigs being there made downtown Chicago safer because of the limitations on the airspace.

Small planes can't really do much damage anyway. Heck, a B-25 (35,000 lbs) hit the Empire State Building and it was ok. You think a little Cessna, Piper, Mooney, et al, (
 
2014-01-05 12:38:11 AM
And by "OK" you mean "Not reduced to rubble."?

It needed more than a coat of paint afterwards.
 
2014-01-05 01:50:26 AM
Nobody caught on that this was a STUDENT pilot?

With passengers....?

And a landing stall coming in to land on a paved road, folding up the gear?

Four chimps at a keyboard on that article and zero journalism committed.
 
2014-01-05 03:39:26 AM

jayessell: And by "OK" you mean "Not reduced to rubble."?

It needed more than a coat of paint afterwards.


"Any landing you walk away from is an okay landing. If you can reuse the plane, that's a bonus."
 
2014-01-05 04:35:38 AM

acanuck: Nobody caught on that this was a STUDENT pilot?

With passengers....?

And a landing stall coming in to land on a paved road, folding up the gear?

Four chimps at a keyboard on that article and zero journalism committed.


The article stated a full license was verified. The website can lag behind for searches of pilot certificates. I had received my certificate, and passed my IFR check ride, before it showed my VFR status. That was a couple months after my VFR check ride.

I agree, the landing was crap. He deserves a check ride for that alone.
 
2014-01-05 05:23:53 AM

jayessell: Pranged his kite right in the how's your father. Hairy blighter dicky-birded, feathered back on his Sammy, took a waspy, flipped over on his Betty Harper's and caught his can in the Bertie.


3.bp.blogspot.com

Quite.
 
2014-01-05 09:03:33 AM

studebaker hoch: Stalling an airplane can make the landing gear look like that picture.


I was kind of thinking of this being a low altitude stall.
 
2014-01-05 11:16:09 AM
I was on that road once.

/ok, maybe it's not one of my best stories
 
2014-01-05 01:10:09 PM
inglixthemad

A small plane can land without power.

All planes can land without power.
 
2014-01-05 05:27:34 PM

inglixthemad: TuteTibiImperes: What's the aftermath of something like this?  Does the pilot get fined?  Do they do an investigation into what happened to the plane to see if he was at fault or if it was just a freak mechanical failure?  Or, does he just have to pay to have it towed away from the freeway and fly again as soon as its repaired?

NTSB checks the accident over, pilot files a report with NASA accident group, and it all depends. Likely he screwed up and gets an FAA ride (skills check) with a Pilot Examiner. He didn't do anything that was nuts, or act erratically.

This thing is parts now. Fined? Not likely, but his insurance is likely to take a jump.

I say he needs to work on his landings, that was terrible.

A small plane can land without power. Heck, you practice short power loss landings constantly in training. You're in the pattern, the instructor yanks the power (engine dead) and your ~1000' AGL, parallel to the runway. You have to get there without stalling, and land. After the first couple tries you should be able to recite the whole procedure in your head, and pull it off without trying. Small planes have an 8.5:1 to 10:1 glide ratio on average.



An accident investigation will undoubtedly take place.  The NTSB usually leads the investigations involving small GA aircraft.  If it wasn't pilot error (80% of accidents are), then no fines should be assessed.  The end result from the NTSB will have recommendations of items to fix that they forward to the FAA.  It's up to the FAA to provide further research or implement those recommendations.  Fun fact:  They usually do nothing.
It seems as if his engine quit.  If that is the case, then the next step is to find out why.  All engines have a TBO (Time between overhaul) measured in hours.  If this guy was operating his aircraft beyond the engine manufacturer's recommended TBO, then the owner of the aircraft / pilot in command is at fault.  If an aircraft does not fly many hours throughout the years, the only other thing being added is time.  It's not uncommon to find an older GA aircraft with an engine that hasn't been overhauled in 20 years.  However, if the aircraft passed it's annual inspection, then it should be ok, but nothing operates perfectly that has a thousand moving parts.

As far as the gear buckling on landing?  TFA said he clipped some tree branches, so perhaps there was damage to the landing gear prior to landing.  Or he just slammed the bird down because an overpass was approaching.. I don't know, but that will come out in the NTSB investigation.
 
2014-01-05 09:56:35 PM

touchandgoes: inglixthemad: TuteTibiImperes: What's the aftermath of something like this?  Does the pilot get fined?  Do they do an investigation into what happened to the plane to see if he was at fault or if it was just a freak mechanical failure?  Or, does he just have to pay to have it towed away from the freeway and fly again as soon as its repaired?

NTSB checks the accident over, pilot files a report with NASA accident group, and it all depends. Likely he screwed up and gets an FAA ride (skills check) with a Pilot Examiner. He didn't do anything that was nuts, or act erratically.

This thing is parts now. Fined? Not likely, but his insurance is likely to take a jump.

I say he needs to work on his landings, that was terrible.

A small plane can land without power. Heck, you practice short power loss landings constantly in training. You're in the pattern, the instructor yanks the power (engine dead) and your ~1000' AGL, parallel to the runway. You have to get there without stalling, and land. After the first couple tries you should be able to recite the whole procedure in your head, and pull it off without trying. Small planes have an 8.5:1 to 10:1 glide ratio on average.


An accident investigation will undoubtedly take place.  The NTSB usually leads the investigations involving small GA aircraft.  If it wasn't pilot error (80% of accidents are), then no fines should be assessed.  The end result from the NTSB will have recommendations of items to fix that they forward to the FAA.  It's up to the FAA to provide further research or implement those recommendations.  Fun fact:  They usually do nothing.
It seems as if his engine quit.  If that is the case, then the next step is to find out why.  All engines have a TBO (Time between overhaul) measured in hours.  If this guy was operating his aircraft beyond the engine manufacturer's recommended TBO, then the owner of the aircraft / pilot in command is at fault.  If an aircraft does not fly many hours throughout the years, the on ...




I'm wagering fuel starvation due to lack of fuel planning or due to carb icing.

As far as TBO, it's a non-turbo, and I've seen guys flying them 3000+ hours (in that plane normal TBO would be 2000) if they take care of them. Unless it's 'for hire', the TBO is a recommendation, and even for hire 172's (flight school trainers) often get exemptions from the FAA to allow an engine in good order not be overhauled for extra time. Fun fact: infant mortality (250 hours or less on a new or overhauled engine) causes more inflight engine stoppages than being over TBO.

Turbo (and Turbo-Normalized) engines run properly only need more overhauls because the turbo itself (usually the exhaust inlet parts, bearings) are subjected to extreme temperatures and wear. Turbos spin FAST and that's what causes the wear on the pieces other than the exhaust blades. We learned a lot about turbos studying up when we purchased the Acclaim...

The gear looks like he pinned the landing hard. I've seen gear clipped in the trees, and then damaged further on landing, and they aren't bent like that. That looks like he hard-pinned one wheel and dragged the plane a bit to the side before pinning the other. That's more than a little scary because the 140/150/160 series of planes is used as trainers as well. They have pretty tough gear, hence why I think he needs a check ride for that landing.
 
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