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2014-01-04 01:03:08 PM
And so that's how the Boomers were raised - to believe that they shouldn't have to go without.

No, boomers were mostly taught that if you wanted it, you had to work for it because no one was going to just give it to you. They also had the good fortune of being born in a time of rebuilding the world, good domestic manufacturing and a budding housing market.......along with other things.

/they've also seen economic ups and downs although this has been one of the worse.
//I blame Mtv for your short attention span
///and because you touch yourself
 
2014-01-04 01:23:49 PM

twistedmetal: No, boomers were mostly taught that if you wanted it, you had to work for it because no one was going to just give it to you


No shiat. My folks were depression era and my Dad a WWII vet. I learned very early on the "life's not fair". Now everything is centered on trying to make it fair.

Good luck with that, snowflake.
 
2014-01-04 01:28:30 PM
Good job subby. Mommy and I are really proud of you.
 
2014-01-04 01:31:32 PM
+1 for the headline. Made me chuckle.
 
2014-01-04 01:37:42 PM
Putting the protection of ideas and wealth before the sharing of them is now standard. A New Jersey-based accountant told me that he sees a clear difference between his older clients and his younger ones. "My older clients want to work within the confines of the tax code to do what is fair," he explained. "They are willing to simply pay the tax they owe. The next generation spends lots of time looking to exploit every loophole and nuance in the tax code to reduce their responsibility to as little as possible."


Turns out, parents really are responsible for creating entitled, doucheteabaggy children.


FTFS
 
2014-01-04 01:43:10 PM
They seem flummoxed when told that things take time. They are happy to give lots of short bursts of energy and effort to things, but commitment and grit come harder. Giving a lot of one's self to a small number of things seems to have been replaced by giving a little bit of one's self to a large number of things. This tendency is exemplified by the way many Gen Yers respond to various social causes. They rallied to share the Kony video with their friends. Many posted pictures of themselves in hoodies to support Trayvon Martin. They texted donations to tsunami relief organizations. There is an intense excitement to do good, to help, to support. Yet after the dopamine hit is felt, it's on to the next. Without giving any significant amount of time or energy, a generation comfortable with abstraction has confused real commitment with symbolic gestures.

I see it constantly in my Gen Y employees, though I've always mistakenly called it lazy.  It makes sense that they're not lazy, they just convinced that minimal effort = maximum reward.
 
2014-01-04 01:59:08 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: minimal effort = maximum reward.


Idiot synergy.
 
2014-01-04 02:20:58 PM
apple trees make apples
 
2014-01-04 02:48:20 PM

twistedmetal: And so that's how the Boomers were raised - to believe that they shouldn't have to go without.

No, boomers were mostly taught that if you wanted it, you had to work for it because no one was going to just give it to you.


The two statements are not mutually exclusive.

/methinks, protest too much, etc.
 
2014-01-04 03:06:36 PM
It's not just the internet, phones, and gadgets dividing kids' attention these days. It used to be that kids would have one or two extracurricular activities. Now days kids need to PLAY ALL THE THINGS.

And there are a lot more things for the kids to play than there were a generation ago.
 
2014-01-04 03:08:10 PM

twistedmetal: No, boomers were mostly taught that if you wanted it, you had to work for it because no one was going to just give it to you. They also had the good fortune of being born in a time of rebuilding the world, good domestic manufacturing and a budding housing market.......along with other things.


...and doing drugs while destroying the planet, then getting old and lecturing kids to DARE to not do drugs and they should save the planet and change their diapers. And buy the Volkswagen Beetle. Because our Beetles were so cool. So were the Beatles. Those farking annoying ass Beatles. That's the boomers.

 But they did give us Star Wars
 
2014-01-04 03:10:27 PM

namegoeshere: And there are a lot more things for the kids to play than there were a generation ago.


You should go outside some time. You would be amazed at all the things there are for kids to play with.
 
2014-01-04 03:15:18 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: namegoeshere: And there are a lot more things for the kids to play than there were a generation ago.

You should go outside some time. You would be amazed at all the things there are for kids to play with.


And it's a pity that the kids don't get a chance to play with the sticks and rocks and bugs and frogs like we grew up doing when they're rushing from the baseball field to the lacrosse field to leggo league to piano lessons.
 
2014-01-04 03:21:49 PM

namegoeshere: And it's a pity that the kids don't get a chance to play with the sticks and rocks and bugs and frogs like we grew up doing when they're rushing from the baseball field to the lacrosse field to leggo league to piano lessons.


There's still plenty of  time (especially in the summer) to play cops and wealth redistribution workers or cowboys and indigenous beings...unless there's an "adult" around who might be appalled at what they are doing and send them off to sensitivity training.
 
2014-01-04 03:31:10 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: No shiat. My folks were depression era and my Dad a WWII vet. I learned very early on the "life's not fair". Now everything is centered on trying to make it fair.


Don't worry, anyone under 40 thinks you Boomers are greedy, egotistical assholes so prepared to be treated like shiat because you earned.
 
2014-01-04 04:25:09 PM
FTA: Gen Xers didn't really rebel against anything or stand for much in their youth.

Are you kidding me? Gen Xers rebelled against the idea of belonging to a generation. Hence the X.

Dancin_In_Anson: Now everything is centered on trying to make it fair.

Good luck with that, snowflake.


Why wouldn't a world that was more fair be beneficial to strive for? Are you such a defeatist pussy that you can't even imagine a world where we can play together and have fun, instead of making everything about work-work-work?
 
2014-01-04 04:39:35 PM

jaylectricity: Why wouldn't a world that was more fair be beneficial to strive for?


Well, bless your heart.

jaylectricity: Are you such a defeatist pussy that you can't even imagine a world where we can play together and have fun, instead of making everything about work-work-work?


i1123.photobucket.com

 
2014-01-04 04:40:37 PM
You mean, America will have to endure another generation of Teabagger Republicans?
 
2014-01-04 04:40:48 PM

jaylectricity: FTA: Gen Xers didn't really rebel against anything or stand for much in their youth.

Are you kidding me? Gen Xers rebelled against the idea of belonging to a generation. Hence the X.

Dancin_In_Anson: Now everything is centered on trying to make it fair.

Good luck with that, snowflake.

Why wouldn't a world that was more fair be beneficial to strive for? Are you such a defeatist pussy that you can't even imagine a world where we can play together and have fun, instead of making everything about work-work-work?


Slippery rope. Next thing you know turtle molesters will start demanding fairness
 
2014-01-04 04:41:24 PM
And now the Millenials will pay for the sins of their parents.  Enjoy your minimum wage jobs and working until you're 80.  It's totally society's fault though.
 
2014-01-04 04:42:26 PM
Salon talking about douchebaggy people?  doesnt that mean the Universe implodes on itself?
 
2014-01-04 04:42:47 PM

LewDux: Slippery rope. Next thing you know turtle molesters will start demanding fairness


I hear only Sen. McConnell gets to call Mrs. McConnell that
 
2014-01-04 04:46:54 PM
Gen X-er belittling Gen Y-ers and blaming Boomers for everything. This is news?
 
2014-01-04 04:47:42 PM
I've awarded all posters in this thread so far "Smart" and "Funny" clicks for participation.

Congratulations folks, you deserved it you intelligent and witty lot.
 
2014-01-04 04:49:21 PM

jaylectricity: FTA: Gen Xers didn't really rebel against anything or stand for much in their youth.

Are you kidding me? Gen Xers rebelled against the idea of belonging to a generation. Hence the X.

Dancin_In_Anson: Now everything is centered on trying to make it fair.

Good luck with that, snowflake.

Why wouldn't a world that was more fair be beneficial to strive for? Are you such a defeatist pussy that you can't even imagine a world where we can play together and have fun, instead of making everything about work-work-work?


THIS. Holy fark. The reason ME's grew up thinking that fairness was good was because  we were supposed to help make it that way. That's  also part of why ME's are perceived as lazy--when our economy's in the shiatter, we have the gall to want the same life our parents did, with one-income families, real vacation time, and a future retirement. That's not lazy. That's wanting more.
 
2014-01-04 04:49:57 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: I see it constantly in my Gen Y employees, though I've always mistakenly called it lazy.  It makes sense that they're not lazy, they just convinced that minimal effort = maximum reward.


Isnt that an ideal business mind? Get the most you can out of as little that you put into it. That's called, efficiency.
 
2014-01-04 04:52:50 PM

PsiChick: The reason ME's grew up thinking that fairness was good was because we were supposed to help make it that way.


You're in for a shock, pumpkin.

PsiChick: That's wanting more.


Well, get off your ass and go get it.
 
2014-01-04 04:53:33 PM
Can't we all just get along and just blame every generation's conservatives for this shiat?
 
2014-01-04 04:54:08 PM
Parents largely do create their children, that's true (and that's why I have a job). But this lazy-ass "think piece" fails to actually get at anything important about that.
 
2014-01-04 04:54:17 PM

PsiChick: THIS. Holy fark. The reason ME's grew up thinking that fairness was good was because  we were supposed to help make it that way. That's  also part of why ME's are perceived as lazy--when our economy's in the shiatter, we have the gall to want the same life our parents did, with one-income families, real vacation time, and a future retirement. That's not lazy. That's wanting more


The world isn't fair.  Period.  Sorry that you were taught that is was.  There will always be a predator out there trying to accumulate more than his/her neighbors have.  Always.  If you sit back and wait for life/fate/karma to deliver for you, you will be a) disappointed b) taken advantage of.

It's reality and has been since the dawn of humanity
 
2014-01-04 04:54:21 PM

twistedmetal: And so that's how the Boomers were raised - to believe that they shouldn't have to go without.

No, boomers were mostly taught that if you wanted it, you had to work for it because no one was going to just give it to you. They also had the good fortune of being born in a time of rebuilding the world, good domestic manufacturing and a budding housing market.......along with other things.

/they've also seen economic ups and downs although this has been one of the worse.
//I blame Mtv for your short attention span
///and because you touch yourself


Most of them voted for tax cuts and free shiat. Time for them to help pay the credit card bill.
 
2014-01-04 05:02:32 PM
YET ANOTHER Salon generation-bashing article green lit here?

/get off my lawn.
 
2014-01-04 05:03:00 PM
My age (I'm 32) and people younger have learned quick to not completely give all of yourself and energy to one thing, such as a job.  The days of working in one solid company from the bottom and over the years go through middle and upper management and taken care of at retirement are long gone.  Companies are in it for their bottom line and so are we.  So most are going to work just hard enough not to be canned, and maybe a little harder to gain experience and maybe move to some kind of advancement while they are looking for a better opportunity somewhere else since they know, for sure, their current job is a dead end.  To get ahead, it's not how much effort you put in to work or willing to work, it's who you know and how much money you have/able to swindle from others.
 
2014-01-04 05:03:15 PM
The Beatles took all the easy songs.
 
2014-01-04 05:03:39 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: PsiChick: The reason ME's grew up thinking that fairness was good was because we were supposed to help make it that way.

You're in for a shock, pumpkin.

PsiChick: That's wanting more.

Well, get off your ass and go get it.


I take it you missed OWS and the fact that the Republican Party is near is death throes because no one my age is insane enough to vote for them...

AngryDragon: PsiChick: THIS. Holy fark. The reason ME's grew up thinking that fairness was good was because  we were supposed to help make it that way. That's  also part of why ME's are perceived as lazy--when our economy's in the shiatter, we have the gall to want the same life our parents did, with one-income families, real vacation time, and a future retirement. That's not lazy. That's wanting more

The world isn't fair.  Period.  Sorry that you were taught that is was.  There will always be a predator out there trying to accumulate more than his/her neighbors have.  Always.  If you sit back and wait for life/fate/karma to deliver for you, you will be a) disappointed b) taken advantage of.

It's reality and has been since the dawn of humanity


Okay. You go try to find a job with, say, a high school diploma and nothing else. Right now. Life's not fair, right? Why complain? That's how it is, and you should just be angry at your parents for teaching you to want anything more than to be stuck in a cycle of poverty.
 
2014-01-04 05:03:48 PM

AngryDragon: The world isn't fair.  Period.  Sorry that you were taught that is was.  There will always be a predator out there trying to accumulate more than his/her neighbors have.  Always.  If you sit back and wait for life/fate/karma to deliver for you, you will be a) disappointed b) taken advantage of.


but socialism is bad, so vote republican!
 
2014-01-04 05:04:20 PM
I was too millennial impatient to read the article. Because Salon.
 
2014-01-04 05:04:38 PM
i306.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-04 05:07:42 PM

LemSkroob: Benevolent Misanthrope: I see it constantly in my Gen Y employees, though I've always mistakenly called it lazy.  It makes sense that they're not lazy, they just convinced that minimal effort = maximum reward.

Isnt that an ideal business mind? Get the most you can out of as little that you put into it. That's called, efficiency.


 Not quite.  For a process to be efficient, it has to work.  Reaching desired outcomes with minimal required effort is indeed efficient.  Expending minimal effort without regard to effort required to reach an outcome and expecting to reach the outcome, regardless, is stupid.
 
2014-01-04 05:10:35 PM

LewDux: jaylectricity: FTA: Gen Xers didn't really rebel against anything or stand for much in their youth.

Are you kidding me? Gen Xers rebelled against the idea of belonging to a generation. Hence the X.

Dancin_In_Anson: Now everything is centered on trying to make it fair.

Good luck with that, snowflake.

Why wouldn't a world that was more fair be beneficial to strive for? Are you such a defeatist pussy that you can't even imagine a world where we can play together and have fun, instead of making everything about work-work-work?

Slippery rope. Next thing you know turtle molesters will start demanding fairness


Your gym teacher too, huh?
 
2014-01-04 05:15:00 PM
Oh look, it's this article again.
 
2014-01-04 05:16:49 PM
also, getting away from the generational cluster-fark this thread will likely turn into, the entire point of this article is grade A stupid. the idea that responding to texts is addictive and therefore has created a world of ADHD children is weapons grade-idiotic. even though the author openly admits there are several other FAR better theories for the increase in ADHD diagnosis, while not even considering several others, they decide to just say 'screw it, i decided these kids are messed up because of texts and stuff. author should be pelted to death with blackberrys.
 
2014-01-04 05:19:50 PM
Boomer CEOs systematically dismantled American manufacturing and shipped it to China.

You have no moral high ground here, as a generation.
 
2014-01-04 05:20:53 PM

PsiChick: I take it you missed OWS and the fact that the Republican Party is near is death throes because no one my age is insane enough to vote for them..


Whoopty farking do.  Let me know when OWS starts paying your bills.
 
2014-01-04 05:22:40 PM

AngryDragon: The world isn't fair. Period. Sorry that you were taught that is was.


We weren't TAUGHT that it was, we were taught that it wasn't and now we're taking it upon ourselves to try to make it that way.

Sorry your life was hard, Gramps.
 
2014-01-04 05:26:49 PM
Could we just stop with these ridiculous articles pitting one generation against another (typically in the form of bashing 'millennials')?

All I ever see in these articles are the same tired generalizations about how the youngins today are precious snowflakes, and back in my day, life was hard and we worked hard, blah blah blah.

There are always going to be various types of folks, some more motivated than others. I doubt this has significantly changed since forever. I think these types of articles are merely a way to put rose colored glasses on the past; the author glamorizing their glory days by defensively putting young people down (I suppose the motivation for this is a feeling of marginalization, nobody wants to be replaced.)

I'm 29, I work hard and I spend a lot of my free time improving my skills to advance myself professionally. I do this so that I can provide the best life possible for my family. I don't consider myself an outlier in my generation either; most of the people I associate with who are my age seem to do the same. Yes, some of the people I grew up with are losers who don't take responsibility for themselves, but I don't think that is unique to any particular generation.

In short; the kids are fine, the world keep turning without you. Don't buy the hype and lighten up.
 
2014-01-04 05:28:08 PM
The term "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" wasn't coined yesterday.
 
2014-01-04 05:30:12 PM
Ah, the Fark old people v. young'uns thread. Time for the popcorn!
 
2014-01-04 05:32:31 PM

towatchoverme: Boomer CEOs systematically dismantled American manufacturing and shipped it to China.

You have no moral high ground here, as a generation.


You mean when Clinton pushed through permanant most favored nation trading status for China, right after he passed NAFTA?

The power of the new China lobby was evident in Beijing last March
7, when more than 100 representatives of major U.S. firms held
their annual conference under the auspices of the U.S.-China Business
Council. Delivering his first major speech since taking office
just weeks before, U.S. Ambassador James Sasser told them that
the Clinton administration was counting on aggressive pressure
from business to secure renewal of MFN status for China. "[Sasser]
also suggested that CEOs make personal calls on Congress when
they wish to relay their concerns on major China-related issues,
such as MFN

Of course, the Fortune 500 companies that comprise the U.S.-China
Business Council-led by Boeing, Motorola, Caterpillar, AT&T,
and the American International Group (AIG)-hardly needed Sasser's
encouragement. They have been working the halls of Congress intensely
since the 1972 opening to China by President Nixon. Lured by the
prospect of 1.2 billion low-wage workers and eager consumers,
America's corporate elite have done a fine job unofficially representing
the Chinese government in Washington.

Even as Sasser spoke, the lobby's troops were being mobilized
back in Washington. A coalition of America's largest companies,
drawing on their experience in the battle over the North American
Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), had already begun to rally trade
associations, lawyers, and corporate officials for the perennial
battle to assure that China continue to receive the benefits of
MFN.


Let me explain what happened, children. There was a time when Democrats represented the working class. However, that time is past. As of Cinton, the filthy rich owned both parties and has ever since.

/Both sides are bad
//So stop voting for both of them
 
2014-01-04 05:33:00 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: PsiChick: I take it you missed OWS and the fact that the Republican Party is near is death throes because no one my age is insane enough to vote for them..

Whoopty farking do.  Let me know when OWS starts paying your bills.


Let me know when the political spectrum  isn't being affected by awareness of how screwed we all are. Oh, wait...what do young people vote again?
 
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