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(Chicago Magazine)   Chicago politicians defend 2nd highest property taxes in the nation under the rationale that "since it's normally too cold or too dangerous to go outside anyway, people who live here use their houses more than people in other states do"   (chicagomag.com) divider line 108
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2014-01-04 01:27:40 PM
So by his logic, because Chicago has a deep history of organized crime, he should be more likely to expect to get kneecapped by someone upset by his ridiculous comments than elsewhere in the US, right?
 
2014-01-04 01:29:56 PM
Oh, and for the record, I am not advocating that someone involved in organized crime in Chicago go out an kneecap this moran.
 
2014-01-04 01:48:55 PM
Well that's just stupid.
 
2014-01-04 02:25:18 PM
and who voted these people into office?
 
2014-01-04 03:40:34 PM
And their pizza is disgusting! And those Cubs! And The Bears!
 
2014-01-04 03:43:31 PM
Not to mention a flat, wildly unpopular income tax that was "temporarily" raised a few years ago to plug the pension-related budget holes and the high sales tax.  This state is circling the drain.  If pension reform is found unconstitutional then the state will become insolvent, there aren't enough taxpayers to support the state's obscenely high obligations and uncontrolled expenses.  There's no reason for me to stay here once I finish school, I'll be taking a pay cut....
 
2014-01-04 04:20:02 PM

Demetrius: So by his logic, because Chicago has a deep history of organized crime, he should be more likely to expect to get kneecapped by someone upset by his ridiculous comments than elsewhere in the US, right?


*picks up phone*

Demetrius: Oh, and for the record, I am not advocating that someone involved in organized crime in Chicago go out an kneecap this moran.


*puts down phone*

/not really connected
//andyoudidn'tseenuttin'
 
2014-01-04 04:20:06 PM

boloabs: and who voted these people into office?


People who deserve what they've got.
 
2014-01-04 04:20:54 PM
Don't worry Chi-town, NYC is busy studying your grand plan. We'll so be right by your side after the new union contracts are done.
 
2014-01-04 04:21:08 PM
50 years of wiberal rule.
 
2014-01-04 04:24:47 PM
But Chicago residents can at least expect high, high quality public service and infrastructure, right?
 
2014-01-04 04:25:51 PM
So then, using that kind of logic wouldn't it be safe to say that the people who spend very little time at home, like out of town on business or whatever (just as long as they aren't at home say, more than 1/2 of their time or more) that they should be getting a property tax cut instead? I mean if we are going to be calling it an hourly tax based upon occupancy like some cheap motel then that should cut both ways right?
 
2014-01-04 04:26:11 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Well that's just stupid.


I think it is in the "insultingly stupid" column.  They know they are farking their citizens over and with they statement they also flipped them the bird.
 
2014-01-04 04:26:46 PM

boloabs: and who voted these people into office?


Lots of dead registered democrats.
 
2014-01-04 04:27:14 PM

super_grass: But Chicago residents can at least expect high, high quality public service and infrastructure, right?


Not to mention the finest public education and complete safety on the streets any time of the day or night in any neighborhood.
 
2014-01-04 04:27:35 PM
Taxes is why I moved out of the city and Crook county. Usually they scream about how it's for the children though. We tried to challenge our property taxes a couple of times when we lived in the city. Their response?.....

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2014-01-04 04:27:45 PM

super_grass: But Chicago residents can at least expect high, high quality public service and infrastructure, right?


And public order too.  Don't forget that crime is almost unheard of in Chicago.  Truly an urban paradise.
 
2014-01-04 04:28:36 PM
Property taxes disproportionately affect the poor. Everyone has to live somewhere.
 
2014-01-04 04:29:15 PM
Riiiiight...because having a place to securely keep your belongings while you are away isn't "using" your house.

As George Carlin said: "A house is just a place to keep your stuff while you go out and get more stuff."

/DNRTFA
 
2014-01-04 04:30:25 PM
Liberals.  who would have thunk it.
 
2014-01-04 04:31:57 PM
"Twould be rude to spoil everybody's fun by pointing out that nowhere in the article does anybody say anything remotely as ridiculous as what subby claimed in his headline.
 
2014-01-04 04:35:13 PM

Fark It: Not to mention a flat, wildly unpopular income tax that was "temporarily" raised a few years ago to plug the pension-related budget holes and the high sales tax.  This state is circling the drain.  If pension reform is found unconstitutional then the state will become insolvent, there aren't enough taxpayers to support the state's obscenely high obligations and uncontrolled expenses.  There's no reason for me to stay here once I finish school, I'll be taking a pay cut....


This. I'm outta here when I graduate.
 
2014-01-04 04:36:08 PM
Would this also place Illinois into one of the highest tax burden (income+sales+propery) tax states?
 
2014-01-04 04:36:18 PM
My girlfriend lives in Deerfield, and pays like 13k a year in property taxes.  She's looking to move five miles away to Lake Forest, because for some reason theirs are around half that, and she works there.  But even that half is still more than I pay in Texas.  And her garbage bill is separate.  And the town bills for anything they do.  It's absurd.

Chicago is a messed up area.   Even the nice parts.
 
2014-01-04 04:37:00 PM
LargeCanine:

Property taxes disproportionately affect the poor. Everyone has to live somewhere.

Do they?  Atleast in cities, I would think the poor really can't afford to buy and therefore tend to rent.
 
2014-01-04 04:37:21 PM
Gotta pay extra for corrupt cops that don't have time to deal with crime.

/unless you're black and it's a petty crime.  Then they're all over your ass.
 
2014-01-04 04:38:06 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Would this also place Illinois into one of the highest tax burden (income+sales+propery) tax states?


I didn't mean to say 'tax' twice. I think it was a Freudian tax slip
 
2014-01-04 04:38:52 PM

SirEattonHogg: Do they? Atleast in cities, I would think the poor really can't afford to buy and therefore tend to rent.


And of course landlords don't pass that down in the form of rent or anything like that...
 
2014-01-04 04:40:52 PM

Demetrius: Oh, and for the record, I am not advocating that someone involved in organized crime in Chicago go out an kneecap this moran.


I'm astounded that there has not been mass lynching of politicians in Chicago.
 
2014-01-04 04:41:42 PM

CruJones: My girlfriend lives in Deerfield, and pays like 13k a year in property taxes.  She's looking to move five miles away to Lake Forest, because for some reason theirs are around half that, and she works there.  But even that half is still more than I pay in Texas.  And her garbage bill is separate.  And the town bills for anything they do.  It's absurd.

Chicago is a messed up area.   Even the nice parts.


What - she live in a palace or something?
 
2014-01-04 04:41:51 PM
Let's see, highest (or close to highest) sales and property tax in the country, high crime, largely shiatty weather much of the year, located in the middle of flyover country, and home of the Cubs, Chicago really does in fact blow.
 
2014-01-04 04:43:11 PM

OgreMagi: Demetrius: Oh, and for the record, I am not advocating that someone involved in organized crime in Chicago go out an kneecap this moran.

I'm astounded that there has not been mass lynching of politicians in Chicago nationwide.


FTFY

Not a damn one of them worth a shiat.
 
2014-01-04 04:44:04 PM

SirEattonHogg: LargeCanine:

Property taxes disproportionately affect the poor. Everyone has to live somewhere.

Do they?  Atleast in cities, I would think the poor really can't afford to buy and therefore tend to rent.


The amount of rent you pay is going to be affected by the property tax the owner pays.

However, this doesn't mean I agree with the previous post. Every single time taxes is mentioned, someone argues "that hurts the poor more!"  So what?  So does the price of milk.
 
2014-01-04 04:44:40 PM
How can the City of Chicago have the second highest property taxes in the nation with similarly priced homes in the suburbs of Chicago have much higher taxes?
 
2014-01-04 04:45:33 PM

Coming on a Bicycle: CruJones: My girlfriend lives in Deerfield, and pays like 13k a year in property taxes.  She's looking to move five miles away to Lake Forest, because for some reason theirs are around half that, and she works there.  But even that half is still more than I pay in Texas.  And her garbage bill is separate.  And the town bills for anything they do.  It's absurd.

Chicago is a messed up area.   Even the nice parts.

What - she live in a palace or something?




No. It's fine but not spectacular, average for the neighborhood. And it's not a fancy gated neighborhood. That's how whack the taxes are. Plus a state income tax. Oh, and a decent sales tax, people drive to Wisconsin to get stuff cheaper. If I were to move there I'd need to make like 30% more to have the equivalent lifestyle.
 
2014-01-04 04:47:53 PM
Fortunately, I got out of Illinois last year and managed to dodge the latest property tax hike. Well, mostly dodge it. Stupid Illinois and their year in arrears property tax.
 
2014-01-04 04:49:28 PM

v2micca: Fortunately, I got out of Illinois last year and managed to dodge the latest property tax hike. Well, mostly dodge it. Stupid Illinois and their year in arrears property tax.


They call it "arrears" because you're bending over for it.
 
2014-01-04 04:50:48 PM
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Because all of Illinois is liberal and everyplace conservatives are has low taxes.
 
2014-01-04 04:51:49 PM

CruJones: No. It's fine but not spectacular, average for the neighborhood. And it's not a fancy gated neighborhood. That's how whack the taxes are. Plus a state income tax. Oh, and a decent sales tax, people drive to Wisconsin to get stuff cheaper. If I were to move there I'd need to make like 30% more to have the equivalent lifestyle.


And our wages our not 30% higher to account for the higher cost of living.  And out unemployment is among the worst in the country.  And the state's finances makes it harder to borrow money.  Meaning they have to raise taxes and fees.  Meanwhile the politically connected get two or three state jobs while collecting pensions and make six-figures.
 
2014-01-04 04:51:53 PM
Don't they also have some of the highest sales taxes too?
 
2014-01-04 04:55:04 PM

minoridiot: Don't they also have some of the highest sales taxes too?


I've heard Cook county is the highest in the nation.

/Next move will be a few miles north into Lake county.
 
2014-01-04 04:55:59 PM

Begoggle: [img.fark.net image 225x224]

Because all of Illinois is liberal and everyplace conservatives are has low taxes.


Illinois has had a "unified Democratic government" for ten straight years, and right now has a record supermajority in both chambers and a Democrat in the Governor's Mansion, who was also recently the most unpopular governor in the country.

"Liberal" might not be the right word, there are pro-life, pro-gun Democrats, but let's not pretend that it hasn't been one party at the table handling finances and economic policy over the last ten years.

http://ballotpedia.org/Illinois_General_Assembly#History
 
2014-01-04 04:58:16 PM

Demetrius: So by his logic, because Chicago has a deep history of organized crime, he should be more likely to expect to get kneecapped by someone upset by his ridiculous comments than elsewhere in the US, right?


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2014-01-04 04:59:37 PM
Wow, that is some weapons grade stupid.  I love this damn town, but I'm convinced our local politicians all collectively ate lead based paint-chips as children.
 
2014-01-04 05:01:04 PM

zeroman987: How can the City of Chicago have the second highest property taxes in the nation with similarly priced homes in the suburbs of Chicago have much higher taxes?


Illinois is the second highest. Chicago and its suburbs are all inside Illinois.
 
2014-01-04 05:02:21 PM
Between that and the terrible pizza casserole why would anyone want to live there?
 
2014-01-04 05:02:59 PM
This really sucks.  I was born and raised in Chicago and I want to return; but after 8 years elsewhere and the ability to come back to any state....it's really hard to make the argument for choosing Chicago.  Most of my family/old friends just haven't considered leaving.  It's 'home' and they complain about the taxes and complain about how particular things suck.

With taxes and fees, my $100k piece of crap condo in a bad part of town cost me more than a 160k home in Colorado.

I wouldn't mind the higher taxes if there was a compelling reason.  But I go to other places with lower taxes and all the stuff I care about (things like education quality and crime) are BETTER.  So, it's really just throwing money away.  People are leaving though, from what I understand IL had the second highest rate of people leaving (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennagoudreau/2013/02/07/the-states-peop le -are-fleeing-in-2013/ )

And it doesn't matter how many people there are, the politicians are still going to vote themselves raises, and the local gym teacher is still going to pull down his 120k (yes, I'm being serious.  No, I'm not kidding) and whoever is left in the state is going to be stuck paying.
 
2014-01-04 05:04:04 PM

jaylectricity: zeroman987: How can the City of Chicago have the second highest property taxes in the nation with similarly priced homes in the suburbs of Chicago have much higher taxes?

Illinois is the second highest. Chicago and its suburbs are all inside Illinois.


So, the headline is trolling?

Sounds about right. No hate like conservative hate.
 
2014-01-04 05:04:15 PM

CruJones: My girlfriend lives in Deerfield, and pays like 13k a year in property taxes.  She's looking to move five miles away to Lake Forest, because for some reason theirs are around half that, and she works there.  But even that half is still more than I pay in Texas.  And her garbage bill is separate.  And the town bills for anything they do.  It's absurd.

Chicago is a messed up area.   Even the nice parts.


She should move to Libertyville.  Better prices.   LF is priced towards the 65+ retiree looking to downsize into a condo unit and the 40-something Upper Management crowd.  LF Housing is actually one of the more heavily debated topics, and the local officials are too farking stupid to realize that they can't keep creating income restrictions if they want the town to get younger (they had a stalled growth).

Libertyville, however, is an excellent place for 25-35, assuming that is the age range you're discussing.
 
2014-01-04 05:06:06 PM
OgreMagi:

I'm astounded that there has not been mass lynching of politicians in Chicago.

Read the book  Bossby Mike Royko; you'll be astounded at the shiat Mayor Daley got away with
 
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