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vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-04 12:13:17 PM
If the earth is warming, why is there still ice in my freezer?
 
2014-01-04 12:33:50 PM

vpb: If the earth is warming, why is there still ice in my freezer?


Contrary argument: I left a Scotch on the Rocks on the breakfast table the other morning to take a phone call and when I got back, the ice had melted. MELTED!
 
2014-01-04 01:50:59 PM
Well it IS cold outside. Checkmate, libs.
 
2014-01-04 01:51:43 PM
The difference between people who believe in the 2nd coming of Jesus and those who believe in global warming is that Jesus will return.

Holy shiat, wow.
 
2014-01-04 01:52:48 PM
The old adage, "it's too cold to snow", has some truth to it, and there is research supporting the idea that the average climate in the U.S. is colder than optimal to support the heaviest snowstorms. For example, Changnon et al. (2006) found that for the contiguous U.S. between 1900 - 2001, 61% - 80% of all heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches occurred during winters with above normal temperatures. The authors also found that 61% - 85% of all heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches occurred during winters that were wetter than average. The authors conclude, "a future with wetter and warmer winters, which is one outcome expected (National Assessment Synthesis Team 2001), will bring more heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches than in 1901 - 2000." The authors found that over the U.S. as a whole, there had been a slight but significant increase in heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches than in 1901 - 2000. If the climate continues to warm, we should expect an increase in heavy snow events for a few decades, until the climate grows so warm that we pass the point where winter temperatures are at the optimum for heavy snow events.

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/northeast-us-digs-out-f ro m-yet-another-historymaking-snowstorm
 
2014-01-04 01:53:58 PM

SN1987a goes boom: The difference between people who believe in the 2nd coming of Jesus and those who believe in global warming is that Jesus will return.

Holy shiat, wow.


You know, I'm joining the idiot chorus of climate denier/Bible thumpers. Not because they are right, but because to live according to their tenets seems to be the royal road to human extinction, a cause I have come to support.
 
2014-01-04 01:54:28 PM
While Americans are debunking 'global warming', australians are suddenly becoming firm believers. LOL

human beings are weird like that.
 
2014-01-04 01:54:50 PM
Nor do hurricanes prove it, but that doesn't stop the stupid we hear about that all the time.
 
2014-01-04 01:55:54 PM
It isn't jsut hte snow. We are seeing cold temperature records shattered around the globe.
 
2014-01-04 01:56:31 PM
So, business as usual from them?
 
2014-01-04 01:58:04 PM
i42.tinypic.com
 
2014-01-04 01:59:07 PM
There's stupidity from both sides of the argument. It snows in winter. It's hot in summer. And it costs billions. Seems all global warming does is burn a hole our wallets.
 
2014-01-04 01:59:42 PM
vpb: If the earth is warming, why is there still ice in my freezer?

probably because you're one of the 99.6% of poors who have a fridge, and therefor you aren't really poor, ergo global warming is a hoax. Checkmate.
 
2014-01-04 01:59:55 PM

EkimProx: There's stupidity from both sides of the argument


You're kidding me right? Where's the stupidity from science?
 
2014-01-04 02:01:15 PM
We know that.  They know that.  The problem is thinking that they are engaged in a serious, honest discussion instead of just grasping at whatever straw is long enough to draw attention.  Once a new distraction catches their eye they will be more than happy to move right along to that narrative without any reservation or explanation or defense of their shifting positions.
 
2014-01-04 02:01:16 PM
I mean holy shiat... 6 months ago it was 80F, here.  Today it is about 5F.  These are incontrovertible facts.  To deny them means you are some wacked out religious freak or something... there is a consensus, and 99% of all people realize these facts are correct.

So therefore I theorize that at the rate the temps in the northern hemisphere have changed in the last 6 months, one year from now temperatures are going to drop to exactly 145F below zero.  My climate model predicts that exactly.  No, you may not look at my code.  No, you may not question whether or not I have factored in, or even have conceived of, all existing variables.  If you question my results, then you are obviously a moron and should just be silent.
 
2014-01-04 02:01:17 PM
Nine new high-temperature records were set in Southeast Queensland - it's almost like it's different seasons in different parts of the world - the chaos!
 
2014-01-04 02:02:08 PM
SN1987a goes boom:
The difference between people who believe in the 2nd coming of Jesus and those who believe in global warming is that Jesus will return.

Holy shiat, wow.


"My dad built this thing, and you did WHAT to it?  Also, why is that guy sleeping in a bus shelter?"
 
2014-01-04 02:02:10 PM
I'm going to go with "they started it".  Every time it was hot, the liberals, including President Clinton, would say that it was proof of global warming.  I think he said "global warming is not a theory to the people of (some place that had a heat wave)".  If you're going to taunt people with "see, global warming is real" every time it's hot, you gotta expect the same in return.
 
2014-01-04 02:02:12 PM

cameroncrazy1984: EkimProx: There's stupidity from both sides of the argument

You're kidding me right? Where's the stupidity from science?


You know not all scientists are global warmongers, right?
 
2014-01-04 02:04:35 PM

Dude in Austin: It isn't jsut hte snow. We are seeing cold temperature records shattered around the globe.


Irrelevant. Any climate scientist will tell you that record highs and lows will continue to occur--but the highs will be more frequent. Also, climate change is predicted to cause some local cooling. Also also, record highs are being shattered around the globe. But don't let that stop your fantasy.
 
2014-01-04 02:04:55 PM
Leave it to the global warming crowd. You can trust them. Freezing cold is just more evidence of warming.
 
2014-01-04 02:06:45 PM
Thank you Dr. Trump.  So when you jump off that bridge I'm right behind you, promise.
 
2014-01-04 02:06:55 PM
"Snowstorms do not disprove global warming."

Nope, but a hot summer in Atlanta proves it, right?

Both sides in this argument are stupid.  It's a science topic, leave politics out of it.
 
2014-01-04 02:07:23 PM

WanPhat: I'm going to go with "they started it".  Every time it was hot, the liberals, including President Clinton, would say that it was proof of global warming.  I think he said "global warming is not a theory to the people of (some place that had a heat wave)".  If you're going to taunt people with "see, global warming is real" every time it's hot, you gotta expect the same in return.


How many peer-reviewed paperson climate change has Clinton published?
 
2014-01-04 02:07:26 PM

EkimProx: cameroncrazy1984: EkimProx: There's stupidity from both sides of the argument

You're kidding me right? Where's the stupidity from science?

You know not all scientists are global warmongers, right?


What's a "global warmonger"?
 
2014-01-04 02:08:05 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: "Snowstorms do not disprove global warming."

Nope, but a hot summer in Atlanta proves it, right?

Both sides in this argument are stupid.  It's a science topic, leave politics out of it.


Name one scientist that has incontrovertibly stated that one hot summer in Atlanta proves global warming. Please, I'm begging you.
 
2014-01-04 02:08:31 PM

EkimProx: There's stupidity from both sides of the in my argument. It snows in winter. It's hot in summer. And it costs billions. Seems all global warming does is burn a hole our wallets.

 
2014-01-04 02:08:33 PM
Donald Trump is an ass, and the article is correct in stating that the current cold weather doesn't disprove Global Warming, or 'Climate Change' if you prefer the term.....

Having said that, the data available does show that -none- of the models forecasting warming has shown an accurate ability to forecast current conditions. That is, all of the 'Climate Change' models projected a warming trend when there has been no warming for the past 13 to 17 years, depending on whose date you prefer, despite increasing CO2 levels.

Even the IPCC is recognizing this:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/01/ipcc-silently-slashes-its-glob al -warming-predictions-in-the-ar5-final-draft/

"Unnoticed, the IPCC has slashed its global-warming predictions, implicitly rejecting the models on which it once so heavily and imprudently relied. In the second draft of the Fifth Assessment Report it had broadly agreed with the models that the world will warm by 0.4 to 1.0 Cº from 2016-2035 against 1986-2005. But in the final draft it quietly cut the 30-year projection to 0.3-0.7 Cº, saying the warming is more likely to be at the lower end of the range [equivalent to about 0.4 Cº over 30 years]. If that rate continued till 2100, global warming this century could be as little as 1.3 Cº.

Official projections of global warming have plummeted since Dr. James Hansen of the Goddard Institute for Space Studies told the U.S. Congress in June 1988 the world would warm by 1 Cº every 20 years till 2050 (Fig. 1), implying 6 Cº to 2100."


So, yeah, a single data point blizzard/cold winter  proves nothing, however a 13 year period without any warming despite increasing CO2?  THAT is statistically significant....particularly when none of the models forecasting warming even came close to reality.
 
2014-01-04 02:09:11 PM
Corporations paying politicians and lobbyists to fund junk science, to install a carbon tax on small businesses while protecting the worlds biggest polluters and their profit margins don't prove it either.
 
2014-01-04 02:10:01 PM

Lokkii: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/01/ipcc-silently-slashes-its-glob al -warming-predictions-in-the-ar5-final-draft/


Willard Anthony Watts (Anthony Watts) is a blogger, weathercaster and non-scientist, paid AGW denier who runs the website wattsupwiththat.com. He does not have a university qualification and has no climate credentials other than being a radio weather announcer. His website is parodied and debunked at the website wottsupwiththat.com Watts is on the payroll of the Heartland Institute, which itself is funded by polluting industries.[1] Link
 
2014-01-04 02:10:28 PM

flynn80: Corporations paying politicians and lobbyists to fund junk science, to install a carbon tax on small businesses


lolwut.
 
2014-01-04 02:11:26 PM

Dude in Austin: It isn't jsut hte snow. We are seeing cold temperature records shattered around the globe.


Right, because Australia ceases to exist during winter in N.A. and their not totally on fire again.
 
2014-01-04 02:13:07 PM

Lokkii: So, yeah, a single data point blizzard/cold winter  proves nothing, however a 13 year period without any warming despite increasing CO2?  THAT is statistically significant.


No, it's not even the longest "pause" in a warming cycle.
 
2014-01-04 02:14:24 PM

ultraholland: vpb: If the earth is warming, why is there still ice in my freezer?

probably because you're one of the 99.6% of poors who have a fridge, and therefor you aren't really poor, ergo global warming is a hoax. Checkmate.


freakoutnation.com

For those Farkers who are new here.
 
2014-01-04 02:14:46 PM
This argument again? Meh!

It gets cold, it gets warm, it gets cold it gets warm.
This has been happening on the earth for a lot longer than any scientists have been around.
 
2014-01-04 02:15:51 PM
I KNOW BETTER THAN SCIENTISTS BECAUSE SOME BLOGGER GAVE ME TALKING POINTS!
 
2014-01-04 02:15:56 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Lokkii: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/01/ipcc-silently-slashes-its-glob al -warming-predictions-in-the-ar5-final-draft/

Willard Anthony Watts (Anthony Watts) is a blogger, weathercaster and non-scientist, paid AGW denier who runs the website wattsupwiththat.com. He does not have a university qualification and has no climate credentials other than being a radio weather announcer. His website is parodied and debunked at the website wottsupwiththat.com Watts is on the payroll of the Heartland Institute, which itself is funded by polluting industries.[1] Link


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2014-01-04 02:16:11 PM
The goal of the anti-science community is to promote the idea that there is a debate. They don't even need to disprove ACC is happening, they simply need to put it in the minds of the public that there is a debate on whether or not it is.

They did the same thing when tobacco was the topic -- it's the same PR folks behind it, in fact. Fracking companies have hired them now as well. Spread FUD, push the idea that the topic isn't settled, and nothing will get done. And here we are. Cooking our planet so carbon companies can continue making their obscene profits.
 
2014-01-04 02:16:45 PM

Lokkii: Donald Trump is an ass, and the article is correct in stating that the current cold weather doesn't disprove Global Warming, or 'Climate Change' if you prefer the term.....

Having said that, the data available does show that -none- of the models forecasting warming has shown an accurate ability to forecast current conditions. That is, all of the 'Climate Change' models projected a warming trend when there has been no warming for the past 13 to 17 years, depending on whose date you prefer, despite increasing CO2 levels.

Even the IPCC is recognizing this:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/01/ipcc-silently-slashes-its-glob al -warming-predictions-in-the-ar5-final-draft/

"Unnoticed, the IPCC has slashed its global-warming predictions, implicitly rejecting the models on which it once so heavily and imprudently relied. In the second draft of the Fifth Assessment Report it had broadly agreed with the models that the world will warm by 0.4 to 1.0 Cº from 2016-2035 against 1986-2005. But in the final draft it quietly cut the 30-year projection to 0.3-0.7 Cº, saying the warming is more likely to be at the lower end of the range [equivalent to about 0.4 Cº over 30 years]. If that rate continued till 2100, global warming this century could be as little as 1.3 Cº.

Official projections of global warming have plummeted since Dr. James Hansen of the Goddard Institute for Space Studies told the U.S. Congress in June 1988 the world would warm by 1 Cº every 20 years till 2050 (Fig. 1), implying 6 Cº to 2100."


So, yeah, a single data point blizzard/cold winter  proves nothing, however a 13 year period without any warming despite increasing CO2?  THAT is statistically significant....particularly when none of the models forecasting warming even came close to reality.


That blog (wattsupwiththat) is an astroturf site attempting to apply legitimacy to denialist derp. It is full of fail, as is anyone who thinks it is a serious source of information.
 
2014-01-04 02:16:57 PM
All I know is that I live in northern California and we've had rain three times this winter. Three. We are going to be so farking farked this summer.
 
2014-01-04 02:18:13 PM
Anthony Watts is a blogger, yeah. But what does that have to do with the fact that the data shows no global warming?

Is the British Met Office a reliable enough source for you?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2261577/Global-warming-stopp ed -16-years-ago-Met-Office-report-reveals-MoS-got-right-warming--deniers -now.html

Further, what does Anthony Watts have to do with the IPCC revising its projected warming substantially downward?
 
2014-01-04 02:19:48 PM
Do 15+ years of, you know, the actual temperature data disprove global warming?

How about 30?

The fact is that the world is cooling. This winter will be the worst winter in 150 years for a lot of places. The only people who still cling to this stupid global warming thing are the watermelons who have wet dreams of Greenpeace sinking the Nisshin Maru.
 
2014-01-04 02:20:23 PM
The dumbifying of America is the number one thing that will harm us in the long run. We end up with google autocompleting common search strings like below:

a2.typepad.com

No, your conspiracy-theories and right-wing talk show hosts are not an equivalent "other side" to peer-reviewed research.
A fact is not made untrue just because you don't like it.
Your personal biases and willingness to lie do not mean scientists lie or are similarly biased on the other side.
 
2014-01-04 02:20:24 PM
Go to the produce section of your supermarket. Grab some potatoes (to represent the mentality of those who deny science). One by one, drop them into one of the scales. As you drop each one, you'll see the needle of the scale do a lot of jumping around, swinging in both directions. Once it settles down, you'll see that the total is higher than where it was before, but if you had taken a snapshot of the scale while it was still moving wildly, you might have concluded that the potato weighed less than it actually did, or even nothing at all.

The spring of the scale is still adjusting. The complicated, interlocking set of systems we call the climate, they're still adapting to the increase in energy. Once you average out the wobbling, the needle is higher than it was.
 
2014-01-04 02:20:49 PM

Lokkii: Donald Trump is an ass, and the article is correct in stating that the current cold weather doesn't disprove Global Warming, or 'Climate Change' if you prefer the term.....

Having said that, the data available does show that -none- of the models forecasting warming has shown an accurate ability to forecast current conditions. That is, all of the 'Climate Change' models projected a warming trend when there has been no warming for the past 13 to 17 years, depending on whose date you prefer, despite increasing CO2 levels.

Even the IPCC is recognizing this:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/01/ipcc-silently-slashes-its-glob al -warming-predictions-in-the-ar5-final-draft/

"Unnoticed, the IPCC has slashed its global-warming predictions, implicitly rejecting the models on which it once so heavily and imprudently relied. In the second draft of the Fifth Assessment Report it had broadly agreed with the models that the world will warm by 0.4 to 1.0 Cº from 2016-2035 against 1986-2005. But in the final draft it quietly cut the 30-year projection to 0.3-0.7 Cº, saying the warming is more likely to be at the lower end of the range [equivalent to about 0.4 Cº over 30 years]. If that rate continued till 2100, global warming this century could be as little as 1.3 Cº.

Official projections of global warming have plummeted since Dr. James Hansen of the Goddard Institute for Space Studies told the U.S. Congress in June 1988 the world would warm by 1 Cº every 20 years till 2050 (Fig. 1), implying 6 Cº to 2100."


So, yeah, a single data point blizzard/cold winter  proves nothing, however a 13 year period without any warming despite increasing CO2?  THAT is statistically significant....particularly when none of the models forecasting warming even came close to reality.


Take a closer look at the actual data. *Hint* You're wrong. Warming continues, albeit slightly slower than many early models predicted.
 
2014-01-04 02:20:55 PM

cameroncrazy1984: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: "Snowstorms do not disprove global warming."

Nope, but a hot summer in Atlanta proves it, right?

Both sides in this argument are stupid.  It's a science topic, leave politics out of it.

Name one scientist that has incontrovertibly stated that one hot summer in Atlanta proves global warming. Please, I'm begging you.


Where did I claim scientists said anything of the kind (on either side of this argument)?  Learn to farking read.

Here, let me try if slow for you:

Global Warming deniers like so say things like "Look how cold it is - Global Warming must be false!"

These people are stupid.

Global Warming "enthusiasts" say things like "Look, there's a small puddle of water at the North Pole, GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL, ASSHOLES!"

These people are stupid too.

The derp in this argument went to 11 the SECOND it became a political issue - BOTH SIDES are small-minded jerks.  The right can't look at evidence objectively, and the left can't entertain ANY discussion of the evidence without screaming "You're a right-wing, anti-science religious freak, SHUT UP!"  Both of those attitudes are wrong-headed, and dangerous to the actual science.
 
2014-01-04 02:22:53 PM

Lokkii: Is the British Met Office a reliable enough source for you?


Link

The Daily Mail is continuously debunked. All of the time. It's practically a full-time job for The Bad Astronomer. I don't know why you're okay with being lied to.

Link
Link
Link
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2014-01-04 02:24:20 PM
Is there really downside effects of the continued investment and research into clean, renewable sources of energy that outweigh the benefits? Besides some corporations short term profits that is. It seems like the U.S. could really gain a tremendous economical advantage if we became the world leader in this industry.
 
2014-01-04 02:24:21 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: These people are stupid.

Global Warming "enthusiasts" say things like "Look, there's a small puddle of water at the North Pole, GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL, ASSHOLES!"

These people are stupid too.


Except that THESE people don't actually exist.
 
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