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(CBS Atlanta)   Tripling the tobacco tax could save 200 million lives from smokers not affording cigarettes, losing desire to continue, no longer being assaulted by militant non-smokers   (atlanta.cbslocal.com) divider line 9
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2014-01-04 12:12:20 PM  
2 votes:

Chalji: spman: And how do you propose we make up for the lost tax revenue now that nobody can afford to pay cigarette taxes anymore?

Make up for it in reduced health care costs?


That only makes sense if the government was providing the health care.  Making cigarette taxes extremely high will do nothing but funnel money from the government to the healthcare industry in yet another example of corporate welfare.

/flaw in premise 1: Health insurers rape you for premiums if you are a tobacco user
/flaw in premise 2: Smokers don't live as long, so they pay into Social Security while being less likely to get anything back from it
/flaw in premise 3: The longer you live, the more you rack up healthcare expenses, especially in your later years when you're living on a diet of medication cocktails that need frequent adjustments
2014-01-04 10:25:38 AM  
2 votes:
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Also: Researchers claim in a new review published in the New England Journal of Medicine that tripling cigarette taxes worldwide would save 200 million lives generate a shiatload of money to fund more researchers to investigate why tripling the cigarette tax reduced smoking deaths by only 11% while dramatically increasing criminal activity related to cigarette smuggling.

FTFTA
2014-01-04 01:46:37 PM  
1 votes:

Nemo's Brother: cig-mkr: I'll be the first to admit that smoking isn't healthy for you.
To modify a legal social behavior by government over taxation of a service or product is wrong.
To stop obesity should the overtax hamburgers ?

Just as much, they should tax the fat ass Total Farkers for every minute of recreation computer or tv time they use. Go outside, you fat farks. Quit farking up my healthcare.


STOP.

OBESE PEOPLE DO NOT FARK UP YOUR HEALTHCARE
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/03/22/alcohol-obesity-a nd -smoking-do-not-cost-health-care-systems-money/

The lifetime costs were in Euros:
Healthy: 281,000
Obese: 250,000
Smokers: 220,000

You can hate obese people, if that's your thing.  Call them lazy, smelly, whatever.  But they are cheaper than healthy people.  If you want lower health care costs, you could encourage everyone to be obese.  If there is a tax, we should place it on gyms and fitness clubs.  THOSE people are screwing up your healthcare system.  Unless you know of a flaw in the study's methodology, this is like arguing that water isn't wet.
2014-01-04 12:24:42 PM  
1 votes:
Fark_Guy_Rob:

If someone has evidence to the contrary I'd like to know about it; but the studies I've seen show, clearly, that smokers and obese people cost the healthcare system less.  Healthy, non-smokers cost more by a significant margin.  Adding a tax on tobacco makes no rational sense.  People say it is to pay for additional healthcare, but that doesn't make any sense.  It's just a case of 'You want to do something I don't like, so I'm going to be a dick'.


Yah, if saving money were the goal, then cigarettes would be 50 cents a pack.  Drop dead of a heart attack or lung disease at 50, make way in the workforce for the next generation, and there's plenty of SS money in the coffers to care for the ones who make it past 65 so our elders don't need to live in drafty shacks in shiathole neighborhoods eating cat food on crackers.

/i had a point somewhere, but i got on a roll and went with it
2014-01-04 12:17:08 PM  
1 votes:

Mister Peejay: Chalji: spman: And how do you propose we make up for the lost tax revenue now that nobody can afford to pay cigarette taxes anymore?

Make up for it in reduced health care costs?

That only makes sense if the government was providing the health care.  Making cigarette taxes extremely high will do nothing but funnel money from the government to the healthcare industry in yet another example of corporate welfare.

/flaw in premise 1: Health insurers rape you for premiums if you are a tobacco user
/flaw in premise 2: Smokers don't live as long, so they pay into Social Security while being less likely to get anything back from it
/flaw in premise 3: The longer you live, the more you rack up healthcare expenses, especially in your later years when you're living on a diet of medication cocktails that need frequent adjustments


^^^^^this

If someone has evidence to the contrary I'd like to know about it; but the studies I've seen show, clearly, that smokers and obese people cost the healthcare system less.  Healthy, non-smokers cost more by a significant margin.  Adding a tax on tobacco makes no rational sense.  People say it is to pay for additional healthcare, but that doesn't make any sense.  It's just a case of 'You want to do something I don't like, so I'm going to be a dick'.
2014-01-04 12:06:20 PM  
1 votes:
I'll be the first to admit that smoking isn't healthy for you.
To modify a legal social behavior by government over taxation of a service or product is wrong.
To stop obesity should the overtax hamburgers ?
2014-01-04 10:50:56 AM  
1 votes:
They try to do this in Ontario and in turn bootleg smokes smuggled into the province (usually from native reserves along the border) are super popular.
2014-01-04 10:08:49 AM  
1 votes:
And how do you propose we make up for the lost tax revenue now that nobody can afford to pay cigarette taxes anymore?
2014-01-04 08:53:35 AM  
1 votes:
Is the UNLIKELY tag out sucking dick for cigarettes?
 
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