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(Motor Authority)   Camaro Z/28 is priced to sell at $75k. Car has no A/C but company figures that blowing this kind of cash will leave a stiff breeze in your pockets   (motorauthority.com) divider line 44
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2014-01-04 02:19:26 AM  
It's about time they fixed those goofy tail lights ;0
 
2014-01-04 02:26:26 AM  

SpinStopper: It's about time they fixed those goofy tail lights ;0


Now it looks like a late '90s Prelude from the rear :/
 
2014-01-04 02:45:38 AM  
I'm impressed. It looks like Chevy made a real Z/28, instead of just a sticker and badge package. Well done, GM.
 
2014-01-04 02:52:38 AM  
Ridiculously expensive. You can bolt two 400HP Camaros together for that kind of money
 
2014-01-04 03:32:36 AM  

Notabunny: I'm impressed. It looks like Chevy made a real Z/28, instead of just a sticker and badge package. Well done, GM.


Yes, because the 302 small block that was the 1969 Z28(the classic, be all, end all Z28), cost 16% more than the base model V8(a $450 dollar add on option performance package).

This Z28 costs 205% more than the base model V8.

No, this is not a real V8.  It's a sticker and badge package on a car that has nothing to do with a real Z28, but rather something to appeal to old Boomers with lots of money to spend on a nameplate they deem more special than it really is.
 
2014-01-04 03:43:48 AM  
Oops...

bhcompy: No, this is not a real V8 Z28



It's late...
 
2014-01-04 03:51:51 AM  
Or you could drop an LS motor right into an RX7 for a fraction. You'd still get decent highway mileage out of it too.

Yes, yes Wankels are fine engines. We know.
 
2014-01-04 04:18:18 AM  

lewismarktwo: Or you could drop an LS motor right into an RX7 for a fraction. You'd still get decent highway mileage out of it too.

Yes, yes Wankels are fine engines. We know.


I have a LS3 EROD crate motor going into a '79 Trans Am (71 nose, tail), TKO-600 backing it.  May not be as fast as a new Z28 but looks a hell of a lot better.
 
2014-01-04 05:00:25 AM  
I'm confuzzled. TFA states that it is less powerful than the significantly cheaper ZL1. So what precisely are you paying for?
 
2014-01-04 05:06:05 AM  

RINO: I'm confuzzled. TFA states that it is less powerful than the significantly cheaper ZL1. So what precisely are you paying for?


Track options.  It has a little less power but it's still faster because of weight reduction.
 
2014-01-04 05:47:28 AM  

one of Ripley's Bad Guys: lewismarktwo: Or you could drop an LS motor right into an RX7 for a fraction. You'd still get decent highway mileage out of it too.

Yes, yes Wankels are fine engines. We know.

I have a LS3 EROD crate motor going into a '79 Trans Am (71 nose, tail), TKO-600 backing it.  May not be as fast as a new Z28 but looks a hell of a lot better.


Perty nice.
 
2014-01-04 07:50:55 AM  
After all that money, it's still just a Chevy.
 
2014-01-04 08:48:53 AM  
a Camaro that is more expensive than a Corvette?

hahaha no.
 
2014-01-04 08:53:50 AM  

RINO: I'm confuzzled. TFA states that it is less powerful than the significantly cheaper ZL1. So what precisely are you paying for?


The carbon ceramic brakes alone probably make up most of the price difference.
 
2014-01-04 08:55:11 AM  
A track car that costs more than other track only cars, and is shiattier at it.

WTF. This thing deserves to fail. For $75K I'm getting an Ariel Atom and destroying that Chevy heap.
 
2014-01-04 09:32:55 AM  
...Not if it were the Last Car On Earth.  The one Camaro I owned - an '80 Z-28 I bought new - was such a horror show that I seriously contemplated trading it for a '58 Studebaker Hawk.  The only reason I didn't was the Hawk would have needed some work to get running again and I had nowhere to store it.
 
2014-01-04 10:36:49 AM  
While I agree this is a ludicrous price, here's something from the article:

"Extensive testing was done at Germany's Nürburgring, where the car posted a lap time of  7:37.47 in the rain. Despite the wet surface, it still beat the times of cars like the Type 991 Porsche 911 Carrera S and Audi R8 V10."

Are they saying that a Z/28 in the rain beat an Audi R8 on a dry day? That's crazy if it's true.
 
2014-01-04 10:58:56 AM  
I'd rather have an old, restored Hemi car. Could probably get two for that price.
 
2014-01-04 11:04:16 AM  

Savoir-Faire: While I agree this is a ludicrous price, here's something from the article:

"Extensive testing was done at Germany's Nürburgring, where the car posted a lap time of  7:37.47 in the rain. Despite the wet surface, it still beat the times of cars like the Type 991 Porsche 911 Carrera S and Audi R8 V10."

Are they saying that a Z/28 in the rain beat an Audi R8 on a dry day? That's crazy if it's true.


Looks like it. The Wiki list makes no mention of track conditions for the Audi (or the Porsche), but does mention "semi-wet conditions" for the Z/28. It beat the R8 by about 7.5 seconds, and the 991 by a half-second.
 
2014-01-04 11:08:30 AM  

Savoir-Faire: While I agree this is a ludicrous price, here's something from the article:

"Extensive testing was done at Germany's Nürburgring, where the car posted a lap time of  7:37.47 in the rain. Despite the wet surface, it still beat the times of cars like the Type 991 Porsche 911 Carrera S and Audi R8 V10."

Are they saying that a Z/28 in the rain beat an Audi R8 on a dry day? That's crazy if it's true.


It didn't just beat the R8, it tromped it.  7:37.4  VS  7:44

You have to remember though, that the Camaro was tested by GM with a full factory support team.  The Audi was tested by Sport Auto Magazine with their $20/hour college kid driver.
 
2014-01-04 11:42:49 AM  

bhcompy: Notabunny: I'm impressed. It looks like Chevy made a real Z/28, instead of just a sticker and badge package. Well done, GM.

Yes, because the 302 small block that was the 1969 Z28(the classic, be all, end all Z28), cost 16% more than the base model V8(a $450 dollar add on option performance package).

This Z28 costs 205% more than the base model V8.

No, this is not a real V8.  It's a sticker and badge package on a car that has nothing to do with a real Z28, but rather something to appeal to old Boomers with lots of money to spend on a nameplate they deem more special than it really is.


The original Z/28 was sold to the public for homologation purposes and was judged by its track performance. Its sticker price wasn't what made it famous and desirable. I have 2 friends and a coworker who have '69 Z/28s, two restored and one original. Really, they're pretty crappy cars for daily driving. They look great, but they're noisy, and hot, and fairly uncomfortable. The original one can't run on pump gas, it constantly needs tuning, and it seems the valves need adjustment every other day. This new Z/28 seems in keeping with the track day competition spirit of the original. Watch the Nurburgring video. I'm fairly certain this new Camaro is more than a sticker and badge package. (speakers on, please)
 
2014-01-04 12:37:32 PM  
It weighs 3800 pounds. Absurd.
 
2014-01-04 02:07:23 PM  

Phil McKraken: It weighs 3800 pounds. Absurd.


Yup, thats just retarded. A 3800lb "track car" with zero creature comforts.

Ariel Atom or KTM Xbow. Or a Super 7 replica. All better on a track. With the same creature comforts...
 
2014-01-04 02:25:03 PM  

Psylence: Phil McKraken: It weighs 3800 pounds. Absurd.

Yup, thats just retarded. A 3800lb "track car" with zero creature comforts.

Ariel Atom or KTM Xbow. Or a Super 7 replica. All better on a track. With the same creature comforts...


Is the body made of lead? I assume the engine is Aluminum. Seriously where does all the weight come from?
 
2014-01-04 05:55:56 PM  

Notabunny: bhcompy: Yes, because the 302 small block that was the 1969 Z28(the classic, be all, end all Z28), cost 16% more than the base model V8(a $450 dollar add on option performance package).

This Z28 costs 205% more than the base model V8.

No, this is not a real Z28.  It's a sticker and badge package on a car that has nothing to do with a real Z28, but rather something to appeal to old Boomers with lots of money to spend on a nameplate they deem more special than it really is.

The original Z/28 was sold to the public for homologation purposes and was judged by its track performance. Its sticker price wasn't what made it famous and desirable. I have 2 friends and a coworker who have '69 Z/28s, two restored and one original. Really, they're pretty crappy cars for daily driving. They look great, but they're noisy, and hot, and fairly uncomfortable. The original one can't run on pump gas, it constantly needs tuning, and it seems the valves need adjustment every other day. This new Z/28 seems in keeping with the track day competition spirit of the original. Watch the Nurburgring video. I'm fairly certain this new Camaro is more than a sticker and badge package. (speakers on, please)


Uh, okay.  Then its sticker price made it a whopping bargain at the time.  That could have happened again.  It's a shame that GM decided to put the squeeze on prospective buyers and cut out a large segment of the population who might have otherwise purchased one.  But GM knows there will be a steady lineup of baby boomers trying recapture memories of their youth, cash in hand, ready to buy this ripoff on four wheels.
 
2014-01-04 06:11:58 PM  

valkore: Notabunny: bhcompy: Yes, because the 302 small block that was the 1969 Z28(the classic, be all, end all Z28), cost 16% more than the base model V8(a $450 dollar add on option performance package).

This Z28 costs 205% more than the base model V8.

No, this is not a real Z28.  It's a sticker and badge package on a car that has nothing to do with a real Z28, but rather something to appeal to old Boomers with lots of money to spend on a nameplate they deem more special than it really is.

The original Z/28 was sold to the public for homologation purposes and was judged by its track performance. Its sticker price wasn't what made it famous and desirable. I have 2 friends and a coworker who have '69 Z/28s, two restored and one original. Really, they're pretty crappy cars for daily driving. They look great, but they're noisy, and hot, and fairly uncomfortable. The original one can't run on pump gas, it constantly needs tuning, and it seems the valves need adjustment every other day. This new Z/28 seems in keeping with the track day competition spirit of the original. Watch the Nurburgring video. I'm fairly certain this new Camaro is more than a sticker and badge package. (speakers on, please)

Uh, okay.  Then its sticker price made it a whopping bargain at the time.  That could have happened again.  It's a shame that GM decided to put the squeeze on prospective buyers and cut out a large segment of the population who might have otherwise purchased one.  But GM knows there will be a steady lineup of baby boomers trying recapture memories of their youth, cash in hand, ready to buy this ripoff on four wheels.


Indeed.  The price made it affordable to many.  This Z28 is more like a Yenko.  Spend a lot on a special car to get a lot.  It's more honest marketing as such, like Ford has been doing with the Shelby name.  The Z28 was never about costing 2x the base V8 model, or 3x the base model.  It was about affordable performance.  The expensive shiat was left to Corvettes.
 
2014-01-04 06:45:13 PM  

bhcompy: valkore: Notabunny: bhcompy: Yes, because the 302 small block that was the 1969 Z28(the classic, be all, end all Z28), cost 16% more than the base model V8(a $450 dollar add on option performance package).

This Z28 costs 205% more than the base model V8.

No, this is not a real Z28.  It's a sticker and badge package on a car that has nothing to do with a real Z28, but rather something to appeal to old Boomers with lots of money to spend on a nameplate they deem more special than it really is.

The original Z/28 was sold to the public for homologation purposes and was judged by its track performance. Its sticker price wasn't what made it famous and desirable. I have 2 friends and a coworker who have '69 Z/28s, two restored and one original. Really, they're pretty crappy cars for daily driving. They look great, but they're noisy, and hot, and fairly uncomfortable. The original one can't run on pump gas, it constantly needs tuning, and it seems the valves need adjustment every other day. This new Z/28 seems in keeping with the track day competition spirit of the original. Watch the Nurburgring video. I'm fairly certain this new Camaro is more than a sticker and badge package. (speakers on, please)

Uh, okay.  Then its sticker price made it a whopping bargain at the time.  That could have happened again.  It's a shame that GM decided to put the squeeze on prospective buyers and cut out a large segment of the population who might have otherwise purchased one.  But GM knows there will be a steady lineup of baby boomers trying recapture memories of their youth, cash in hand, ready to buy this ripoff on four wheels.

Indeed.  The price made it affordable to many.  This Z28 is more like a Yenko.  Spend a lot on a special car to get a lot.  It's more honest marketing as such, like Ford has been doing with the Shelby name.  The Z28 was never about costing 2x the base V8 model, or 3x the base model.  It was about affordable performance.  The expensive shiat was left to Corvett ...


They have the 1LE package which is fairly affordable (around $3,500, which is about 10% the cost of the base car, so actually a bit less than the original Z28 package).  Then there's the ZL1 if you want the bigger engine, and while that stretches the limits of affordability, you get a lot for the money since it has the engine from the CTS-V for $10,000 less.

The new Z28 isn't going to be a mass market unit.  It seems closer to the Ford CobraJet Mustangs that they build limited numbers of as purpose-built racecars, except that it's actually still street legal.  They won't build many, and they won't have a problem selling the ones they make.
 
2014-01-04 08:12:09 PM  
This is 2014, that thing is just homely as hell.
 
2014-01-04 10:17:20 PM  
I don't get it.
 
2014-01-04 10:31:51 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: They have the 1LE package which is fairly affordable (around $3,500, which is about 10% the cost of the base car, so actually a bit less than the original Z28 package).  Then there's the ZL1 if you want the bigger engine, and while that stretches the limits of affordability, you get a lot for the money since it has the engine from the CTS-V for $10,000 less.

The new Z28 isn't going to be a mass market unit.  It seems closer to the Ford CobraJet Mustangs that they build limited numbers of as purpose-built racecars, except that it's actually still street legal.  They won't build many, and they won't have a problem selling the ones they make.


Nothing that's $75k is going to be a mass market unit.  And it's still a ripoff.  You can get a ZL1 blown to over 700 HP through Lingenfelter for $10k less than the Z28.  Comes with a two-year warranty, too.  But like you said, GM will sell each and every Z28 they make.  Plenty of old men with lots of money.
 
2014-01-04 10:39:10 PM  

abhorrent1: Psylence: Phil McKraken: It weighs 3800 pounds. Absurd.

Yup, thats just retarded. A 3800lb "track car" with zero creature comforts.

Ariel Atom or KTM Xbow. Or a Super 7 replica. All better on a track. With the same creature comforts...

Is the body made of lead? I assume the engine is Aluminum. Seriously where does all the weight come from?


The car weighs in at just over 3000 lbs... the 3800 lb figure is including the average weight of the person that pays $75,000 for a brand new Camaro.
 
2014-01-05 12:05:56 AM  

Psylence: Phil McKraken: It weighs 3800 pounds. Absurd.

Yup, thats just retarded. A 3800lb "track car" with zero creature comforts.

Ariel Atom or KTM Xbow. Or a Super 7 replica. All better on a track. With the same creature comforts...


Same creature comforts? I guess you don't consider heat, and a roof creature comforts...

Yes, this car is a track beast, and simply outfitted, but it's also an all 50 state street legal machine, with stuff like a roof, and heat, and locking doors...

It's a pretty badass, 911 torching package for 75k, and there is very little hat can match it.
 
2014-01-05 01:02:08 AM  

dforkus: Psylence: Phil McKraken: It weighs 3800 pounds. Absurd.

Yup, thats just retarded. A 3800lb "track car" with zero creature comforts.

Ariel Atom or KTM Xbow. Or a Super 7 replica. All better on a track. With the same creature comforts...

Same creature comforts? I guess you don't consider heat, and a roof creature comforts...

Yes, this car is a track beast, and simply outfitted, but it's also an all 50 state street legal machine, with stuff like a roof, and heat, and locking doors...

It's a pretty badass, 911 torching package for 75k, and there is very little hat can match it.


Without a/c it is just as farking useless to me as I don't live in a climate controlled dome. Ergo, this thing is shiattier than a real track car to me. And heavy... and any sane person would take a used 911 GT3rs over this anyway.
 
2014-01-05 01:15:44 AM  

Psylence: dforkus: Psylence: Phil McKraken: It weighs 3800 pounds. Absurd.

Yup, thats just retarded. A 3800lb "track car" with zero creature comforts.

Ariel Atom or KTM Xbow. Or a Super 7 replica. All better on a track. With the same creature comforts...

Same creature comforts? I guess you don't consider heat, and a roof creature comforts...

Yes, this car is a track beast, and simply outfitted, but it's also an all 50 state street legal machine, with stuff like a roof, and heat, and locking doors...

It's a pretty badass, 911 torching package for 75k, and there is very little hat can match it.

Without a/c it is just as farking useless to me as I don't live in a climate controlled dome. Ergo, this thing is shiattier than a real track car to me. And heavy... and any sane person would take a used 911 GT3rs over this anyway.


Because of AC? I think that my define the target market. I can't imagine many Z/28 customers want AC. Or sound deadening. Or a back seat. In fact, I'll bet GM had to severely batter Chevy about the head and shoulders to force them to offer AC as an option.
 
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2014-01-05 04:45:03 AM  
It's a bad ass car. I doubt it's $75,000 bad ass. I'll stick with my '97 Z28. It may not look like much kid, but it's got it where it counts.
 
2014-01-05 07:33:51 AM  

Notabunny: Psylence: dforkus: Psylence: Phil McKraken: It weighs 3800 pounds. Absurd.

Yup, thats just retarded. A 3800lb "track car" with zero creature comforts.

Ariel Atom or KTM Xbow. Or a Super 7 replica. All better on a track. With the same creature comforts...

Same creature comforts? I guess you don't consider heat, and a roof creature comforts...

Yes, this car is a track beast, and simply outfitted, but it's also an all 50 state street legal machine, with stuff like a roof, and heat, and locking doors...

It's a pretty badass, 911 torching package for 75k, and there is very little hat can match it.

Without a/c it is just as farking useless to me as I don't live in a climate controlled dome. Ergo, this thing is shiattier than a real track car to me. And heavy... and any sane person would take a used 911 GT3rs over this anyway.

Because of AC? I think that my define the target market. I can't imagine many Z/28 customers want AC. Or sound deadening. Or a back seat. In fact, I'll bet GM had to severely batter Chevy about the head and shoulders to force them to offer AC as an option.


Yes, this is the point. I can buy a GT3 RS lightly used for the same scratch if I shop around, and get a better track car that doesn't make me suffer on my way TO the track. Or, you know, if I actually wanted to drive it around a few times like a normal car. Fact is, it's a stupid exclusion that Chevy made because chopping shiat off appeals to some people who don't generally think things thru..

In fact, Porsche used to sell the GT3 RS sans climate control options. For one year. Wonder why they changed their minds? People think they are way more hardcore that they really are. No radio? No sound deadening? NO PROBLEM. No way to be comfy when I'm using the vehicle as intended? No farking way. No a/c, I'm getting a car that will keep me in the wind for some active cooling. XBOW, Atom, Seven.

/turned a street car into a race car
//I wasn't as hardcore as I needed to be to drive it in the summer with no a/c.
//Turned $70k into $15k :(
 
2014-01-05 10:21:21 AM  

Notabunny: Psylence: dforkus: Psylence: Phil McKraken: It weighs 3800 pounds. Absurd.

Yup, thats just retarded. A 3800lb "track car" with zero creature comforts.

Ariel Atom or KTM Xbow. Or a Super 7 replica. All better on a track. With the same creature comforts...

Same creature comforts? I guess you don't consider heat, and a roof creature comforts...

Yes, this car is a track beast, and simply outfitted, but it's also an all 50 state street legal machine, with stuff like a roof, and heat, and locking doors...

It's a pretty badass, 911 torching package for 75k, and there is very little hat can match it.

Without a/c it is just as farking useless to me as I don't live in a climate controlled dome. Ergo, this thing is shiattier than a real track car to me. And heavy... and any sane person would take a used 911 GT3rs over this anyway.

Because of AC? I think that my define the target market. I can't imagine many Z/28 customers want AC. Or sound deadening. Or a back seat. In fact, I'll bet GM had to severely batter Chevy about the head and shoulders to force them to offer AC as an option.


Yeah, but you could put a mini hvac unit in the front middle that you could just yank out whenever you need that speed.  It wouldn't be that fast or efficient but it would take the edge off.
 
2014-01-05 01:14:41 PM  

abhorrent1: I'd rather have an old, restored Hemi car. Could probably get two for that price.


Not quite.  A restored Hemi (in showroom quality) will cost every bit as much as this Z28, and for rarer ones, a whole lot more, as in double, triple, or even quadruple the price.
 
2014-01-05 02:31:39 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: abhorrent1: I'd rather have an old, restored Hemi car. Could probably get two for that price.

Not quite.  A restored Hemi (in showroom quality) will cost every bit as much as this Z28, and for rarer ones, a whole lot more, as in double, triple, or even quadruple the price.


Such as $1.3M for a 1971 Hemi 'Cuda
 
2014-01-05 04:02:07 PM  

Notabunny: Dr Jack Badofsky: abhorrent1: I'd rather have an old, restored Hemi car. Could probably get two for that price.

Not quite.  A restored Hemi (in showroom quality) will cost every bit as much as this Z28, and for rarer ones, a whole lot more, as in double, triple, or even quadruple the price.

Such as $1.3M for a 1971 Hemi 'Cuda


BAck in the late 80's when I was in high school, I had a chance to buy a 1970 Boss 302 that needed a paint job and some minor interior work for $4000.  Otherwise it was in very good shape.  Oh, the opportunities that we miss out on.  Sonuvabiatch.
 
2014-01-05 04:16:32 PM  

Notabunny: Psylence: dforkus: Psylence: Phil McKraken: It weighs 3800 pounds. Absurd.

Yup, thats just retarded. A 3800lb "track car" with zero creature comforts.

Ariel Atom or KTM Xbow. Or a Super 7 replica. All better on a track. With the same creature comforts...

Same creature comforts? I guess you don't consider heat, and a roof creature comforts...

Yes, this car is a track beast, and simply outfitted, but it's also an all 50 state street legal machine, with stuff like a roof, and heat, and locking doors...

It's a pretty badass, 911 torching package for 75k, and there is very little hat can match it.

Without a/c it is just as farking useless to me as I don't live in a climate controlled dome. Ergo, this thing is shiattier than a real track car to me. And heavy... and any sane person would take a used 911 GT3rs over this anyway.

Because of AC? I think that my define the target market. I can't imagine many Z/28 customers want AC. Or sound deadening. Or a back seat. In fact, I'll bet GM had to severely batter Chevy about the head and shoulders to force them to offer AC as an option.




It's available if you really want it. From the article, although less HP than the zl1, they really put a lot of effort into performance from the wheels in. It's a helluva a lot of performance for 75k.
It's a car that will do quite nicely on the track, but it's a car you can drive, in a cold rain, with 3 bags of groceries if you need to.

And to compare it to a car that doesn't have doors, a roof, a windshield, or heat is just flat out silly...
 
2014-01-05 04:34:14 PM  
And they coulda actually GAINED power had they... you know... put in an electric water pump instad of shanking the a/c. That's an HP advantage right there that doesn't screw comfort. But oh no! That's not as simple as just a cut and delete that does nothing for performance!
 
2014-01-05 04:41:31 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Notabunny: Dr Jack Badofsky: abhorrent1: I'd rather have an old, restored Hemi car. Could probably get two for that price.

Not quite.  A restored Hemi (in showroom quality) will cost every bit as much as this Z28, and for rarer ones, a whole lot more, as in double, triple, or even quadruple the price.

Such as $1.3M for a 1971 Hemi 'Cuda

BAck in the late 80's when I was in high school, I had a chance to buy a 1970 Boss 302 that needed a paint job and some minor interior work for $4000.  Otherwise it was in very good shape.  Oh, the opportunities that we miss out on.  Sonuvabiatch.


When I was shopping for my first car, I turned down a '69 Olds 442 because it was an Oldsmobile. I don't want that! Grandpas drive Oldsmobiles! It was a 1-owner car, blue on black, looked like it had never spent a night outside, and I think they were asking $800.
 
2014-01-05 05:29:50 PM  

Notabunny: Dr Jack Badofsky: Notabunny: Dr Jack Badofsky: abhorrent1: I'd rather have an old, restored Hemi car. Could probably get two for that price.

Not quite.  A restored Hemi (in showroom quality) will cost every bit as much as this Z28, and for rarer ones, a whole lot more, as in double, triple, or even quadruple the price.

Such as $1.3M for a 1971 Hemi 'Cuda

BAck in the late 80's when I was in high school, I had a chance to buy a 1970 Boss 302 that needed a paint job and some minor interior work for $4000.  Otherwise it was in very good shape.  Oh, the opportunities that we miss out on.  Sonuvabiatch.

When I was shopping for my first car, I turned down a '69 Olds 442 because it was an Oldsmobile. I don't want that! Grandpas drive Oldsmobiles! It was a 1-owner car, blue on black, looked like it had never spent a night outside, and I think they were asking $800.


Oooh... :( Hindsight eh..
 
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