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(Jezebel)   The secret to well-behaved children: booze   (jezebel.com) divider line 55
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2014-01-03 09:38:08 PM
So they're better educated and live a healthier lifestyle overall. The better behavior has nothing to do with the alcohol. Got it. Then this doesn't really fly in the face of previous studies, Jezebel.
 
2014-01-03 09:39:46 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: So they're better educated and live a healthier lifestyle overall. The better behavior has nothing to do with the alcohol. Got it. Then this doesn't really fly in the face of previous studies, Jezebel.


Yeah, that correlation/causation thing is a biatch.
 
2014-01-03 09:55:10 PM
Once I'm drunk I don't care what they're doing, so I suppose it does seem like they're behaving
 
2014-01-03 10:24:30 PM
It seems pretty obvious to me that a mother who isn't completely uptight and enjoys one glass of wine a week would probably make a better mother that allows her child to grow on his or her own with just enough guidance to keep them moving in a good direction.

That sounds like somebody who would turn out to have well-adjusted children.
 
2014-01-03 10:26:22 PM
Either that or the brat is just easier to deal with if you're enough of a drunk that you couldn't be bothered to stop drinking during the pregnancy.
 
2014-01-03 10:44:18 PM
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2014-01-03 10:52:03 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Once I'm drunk I don't care what they're doing, so I suppose it does seem like they're behaving


I came here to make this comment.
 
2014-01-03 10:57:34 PM
What about turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?
 
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2014-01-03 10:59:33 PM
Yeah.. drinking during pregnancy is great.  Until they become the asshole Governor of a state...

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2014-01-03 11:01:14 PM
Just ask the French. They surrender on child rearing skills and instead just give their kids wine to calm them down.
 
2014-01-03 11:02:26 PM
40 years ago it was all about the beatings.

Scientists never make up their minds, do they?
 
2014-01-03 11:06:56 PM

soporific: What about turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?


You can't just do that to your children!

You have absolutely no leverage when you're sitting with them.

The comments on Jezebel are eye rolling. But white women! Erasure of non-whites! FAS! FAS! Because clearly this study was done with alcoholics in mind or on alcoholic women.  

So says non-white feminist woman (as in the whole equality thing kind not grrl!power kind).
 
2014-01-03 11:19:24 PM
Silly subby. You drink the booze and throw the bottle at them while yelling "SETTLE DOWN, DAMMIT!"
 
2014-01-03 11:21:13 PM
Nursery maids used to rub gin on the gums of teething infants to ease the pain.

Although viewed with horror by subsequent generations, as all child-rearing practices tend to be, you have to ask yourself whether gin is less healthy than patent medicines of the 1800s and 1900s. I suspect that very few infants became raging alcoholics because of this. Seeing as most adults in the lower classes and even the middle and upper classes, had to buy beer, wine or gin, or else drink water full of cholera and milk that was even less reliable, and seeing that booze or boiled tea was more vital to the poor than heating fuel or even food, I suspect that almost all of these children would have become raging alcoholics with nothing but the purest beer or wine as recommended by the authorities on health, namely beer brewers and wine merchants.
 
2014-01-03 11:28:37 PM
A few drinks while pregnant isn't going to destroy a baby.  But since morans can't watch their intake it's just easier to say none at all.
 
2014-01-03 11:30:24 PM
Oh yes, fetal alcohol syndrome does wonders for cognitive functions. Enjoy your potato au gratin.
 
2014-01-03 11:30:56 PM
What did our ancestors do when clean fresh water wasn't available and beer/wine/milk were the primary modes of hydration?

A glass or two a week isn't going to do harm.

Overstimulating kids with tech toys too soon probably does more harm in shaping brain development (and ADD/ADHD) than anything else.
 
2014-01-03 11:32:01 PM
I'd guess about 200,000 alcoholic women just bookmarked this page.
 
2014-01-03 11:36:30 PM

brantgoose: Although viewed with horror by subsequent generations


Speak for yourself. Humanity survived this long without modern parenting books. I'm pretty sure a little gin never hurt nobody.
 
2014-01-03 11:43:19 PM
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and here's all the rest of the relevant wisdom

http://artco.co.nz/beer.html
 
2014-01-03 11:44:32 PM
subs saw an oversimplified to  the point of idiocy headline on the actual article and said... i can do better.
 
2014-01-03 11:44:54 PM
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2014-01-03 11:46:39 PM
Relevant - mother who wrote a child rearing book called Slow To Warm and got nothing but rejections

Retitled it  Mommies That Drink

and had the publishers queueing up
 
2014-01-03 11:51:00 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: Just ask the French. They surrender on child rearing skills and instead just give their kids wine to calm them down.


Actually, an interesting contrast between Anglo and French children's behaviour  French parenting

Basically comes down to expectations - if you demand reasonable behaviour, and accept nothing less, you'll get it
 
2014-01-03 11:52:26 PM
Well educated people raise well behaved kids.

Also, alcohol.

Sex, too! (because, kids)
 
2014-01-03 11:53:16 PM
True. Dad was usually drunk when I got my whippin'.

/kids today need more spanking
//a sober father would probably work just as well
 
2014-01-04 12:12:48 AM
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2014-01-04 12:12:57 AM

ReverendJynxed: Oh yes, fetal alcohol syndrome does wonders for cognitive functions. Enjoy your potato au gratin.


No one ever caused fetal alcohol syndrome from the mother drinking a glass of wine a week. Frankly, no one ever caused fetal alcohol syndrome from a four ounces of wine a day.  It has to do with dose. But this is American, and we cannot hew a middle road. We must either abstain or be drunk-in-the-alley full-on alcoholics. There is no middle path, so, of course a longitudinal study with women who drink small quantities of wine makes your mind go right to fetal alcohol syndrome. You know what's bad for kids? Hysterical adults.
 
2014-01-04 12:18:44 AM

H31N0US: Well educated people raise well behaved kids.

Also, alcohol.

Sex, too! (because, kids)


That was pretty reasonable until the third sentence.
 
2014-01-04 12:26:57 AM
My moom drinked wehn she was prengant wiht me and I terned out all rite.
 
2014-01-04 12:41:32 AM
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Same with every species.
 
2014-01-04 12:42:17 AM
I can only speak for myself, but I had one pint of beer per week from week 12 to about week 30. The baby arrived just one day before his due date, and he has none of the signs of fetal alcohol syndrome. As for behavior, he's a very relaxed 5-month-old, but it's probably too soon to declare him a "well-behaved kid." His calm probably isn't due to the alcohol, but to the fact that I didn't freak out over everything during the pregnancy, and I've done my best to maintain that attitude now that he's here. (I think the breastfeeding also contributes.)

Again, my sample size is one, so make of this what you will.
 
2014-01-04 12:50:49 AM

brantgoose: Nursery maids used to rub gin on the gums of teething infants to ease the pain.


"Put a little bit of vodka in the... cherry coke we're going to Oklahoma... for the family reunion..."

Seriously though it wasn't so long ago it was standard knowledge to put a little bit of booze in a bottle if you were going on a plane.

I turned out okay. Or not, maybe. But, functional at least.  I have a job and I'm debt free anyway. Never gone to prison yet.

Boo_Guy: A few drinks while pregnant isn't going to destroy a baby.  But since morans can't watch their intake it's just easier to say none at all.


Or more like "since legally we don't want to take any sort of risks at all when making statements, we'll say none at all."  But yeah.  It really depends on just when you're having the booze, too, related to fetal development stages.

I was quite frankly amazed when a coworker of mine's wife got pregnant, they were so vigilant as to forbid certain spices even.  Basil was out for some reason, I don't know why. I will say that just seemed like overkill to me.
 
2014-01-04 12:54:38 AM
Nope. It's a good belt and proper upbringing respectful of those who know more than you do.
 
2014-01-04 01:35:40 AM
I dare say most kids born in the 60s had moms that were drunk often, smoked like crazy, and most of us came out fine and most of us came out fine and moms that were drunk often.
 
2014-01-04 02:03:50 AM
I used to live in an "iffy" neighborhood with a lot of section 8 housing. Many of the kids there were assholes however the ones with fetal alcohol syndrome were quite nice (even if they smelled bad).

After I moved out I found that "Henry" (25?) had moved with me and I sometimes still see him on the street. He is quite happy to have a job sweeping in a store and likes to tell me about it.
 
2014-01-04 02:30:20 AM

Peter von Nostrand: Once I'm drunk I don't care what they're doing, so I suppose it does seem like they're behaving


we have nailed this forged thread
 
2014-01-04 02:32:03 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Nope. It's a good belt and proper upbringing respectful of those who know more than you do.


it takes a lot to be dhrinnee
 
2014-01-04 02:58:59 AM
Kids these days don't know shiat, and it's their parents fault. It's really that simple.
 
2014-01-04 03:09:45 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Kids these days don't know shiat, and it's their parents fault. It's really that simple.


You said it! I bet if I had kids today, I could teach them everything I know and they'd still be stupid.
 
2014-01-04 03:35:54 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Kids these days don't know shiat, and it's their parents fault. It's really that simple.


Me Pa's Pa had kids these days too Mr! An I s'pose they don know shiate neither! 'Cause kids amiright!!!
 
2014-01-04 03:51:21 AM

TrotlineDesigns: I dare say most kids born in the 60s had moms that were drunk often, smoked like crazy, and most of us came out fine and most of us came out fine and moms that were drunk often.


My mom died last month 20 years too early compared to her side if the family. Smoking 2packs a day didn't help. Oh and I had asthma until I moved out of her house at 23 that flares up around smoke.

So there's that.
 
2014-01-04 04:48:04 AM
I gather that the alcohol itself doesn't affect the kid, it's just an indication of other things that lead to well behaved kids. This is fantastic because I gotta believe there are women who will totally miss the point of this article/study and will drink while pregnant now and tell themselves it will lead to better behaved kids. lol.
 
2014-01-04 04:49:50 AM
lohphat:

My mom died last month 20 years too early compared to her side if the family. Smoking 2packs a day didn't help. Oh and I had asthma until I moved out of her house at 23 that flares up around smoke.

So there's that.

 ---
Mine died in her early 60s and I still have asthma from living in the house with both parents that smoked.   I know that feeling well.
Look back at old photos from the 60s.. two things were common place among women and men.  Cigarettes and cocktails and our mothers dying at an early age doesn't change those truths.

/Sorry for your loss.
 
2014-01-04 06:39:28 AM
Also, there's no such thing as well behaved children; it's a myth just like the female orgasm
 
2014-01-04 06:46:19 AM

Maggie_Luna: soporific: What about turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?

You can't just do that to your children!

You have absolutely no leverage when you're sitting with them.

The comments on Jezebel are eye rolling. But white women! Erasure of non-whites! FAS! FAS! Because clearly this study was done with alcoholics in mind or on alcoholic women.  

So says non-white feminist woman (as in the whole equality thing kind not grrl!power kind).


You sound like you are in need of a stiff drink and fertilization, and I can help your offspring with that "non-white" baggage you have :)....
 
2014-01-04 07:40:43 AM

DeaH: ReverendJynxed: Oh yes, fetal alcohol syndrome does wonders for cognitive functions. Enjoy your potato au gratin.

No one ever caused fetal alcohol syndrome from the mother drinking a glass of wine a week. Frankly, no one ever caused fetal alcohol syndrome from a four ounces of wine a day.  It has to do with dose. But this is American, and we cannot hew a middle road. We must either abstain or be drunk-in-the-alley full-on alcoholics. There is no middle path, so, of course a longitudinal study with women who drink small quantities of wine makes your mind go right to fetal alcohol syndrome. You know what's bad for kids? Hysterical adults.


Too true. And from what I've seen after the kid is born, it's either soda-pop and cup-o-noodles everyday from the age of 2, or it's Hyper-Mom screaming "How DARE you offer my 6-year-old an artificially flavored fruit snack! Don't you know you'll DESTROY his developing pallete?"  I try to go for the middle road, mostly healthy habits, a little fun in moderation, but this approach is way too weird for all the other parents on the block.
 
2014-01-04 08:04:54 AM
Once in an inebriated state, I told my kids to quit having so much fun. Fifteen years later and I still haven't lived that one down. Kids never forget. Damn alcohol.
 
2014-01-04 08:12:07 AM
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Wow.  I almost couldn't beat off to this.  Almost
 
2014-01-04 10:16:59 AM

Forty-Two: I can only speak for myself, but I had one pint of beer per week from week 12 to about week 30. The baby arrived just one day before his due date, and he has none of the signs of fetal alcohol syndrome. As for behavior, he's a very relaxed 5-month-old, but it's probably too soon to declare him a "well-behaved kid." His calm probably isn't due to the alcohol, but to the fact that I didn't freak out over everything during the pregnancy, and I've done my best to maintain that attitude now that he's here. (I think the breastfeeding also contributes.)

Again, my sample size is one, so make of this what you will.


you're not special just because you whelped.
 
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