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2014-01-03 04:08:20 PM
That sure was one boring article.
 
2014-01-03 04:10:06 PM

DamnYankees: That sure was one boring article.


Yes but I suspect this thread could get interesting.
 
2014-01-03 04:14:04 PM
I thought the treatment facility part was interesting.

Leaves room for states to take a lot of guns or prevent sales of guns to such people who maybe crazy.

The problem always comes down to enforcement
 
2014-01-03 04:23:01 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: I thought the treatment facility part was interesting.

Leaves room for states to take a lot of guns or prevent sales of guns to such people who maybe crazy.


Like politicians?
 
2014-01-03 04:27:08 PM
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2014-01-03 04:30:28 PM
Because only mentally ill people would want to own guns, amiright?
 
2014-01-03 04:36:28 PM

SauronWasFramed: Because only mentally ill people would want to own guns, amiright?


Huh?
 
2014-01-03 04:42:47 PM
I don't understand understand any logical reason why enhanced background checks as a condition of firearm ownership is even controversial. Hell, in 1999, the NRA was totally behind universal background checks.

Until they just went completely nuts (as opposed to mostly nuts).
 
2014-01-03 04:42:49 PM
I'm so Goddamed sick of hearing about Obama coming to your house to take your farking guns. Do you even know what Romney's stance on gun control was? Yeah, me neither, sort of like determining the position of an electron.
 
2014-01-03 04:45:20 PM

DamnYankees: SauronWasFramed: Because only mentally ill people would want to own guns, amiright?

Huh?


Yes right. Only insane people really feel that insecure need to own and use a gun.

Look at all the recent cop, abusing their power
 
2014-01-03 04:46:51 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: DamnYankees: SauronWasFramed: Because only mentally ill people would want to own guns, amiright?

Huh?

Yes right. Only insane people really feel that insecure need to own and use a gun.

Look at all the recent cop, abusing their power


Recent cop stories ...
 
2014-01-03 04:47:41 PM
Great idea! (really) How will it play against HIPPA?
 
2014-01-03 04:53:48 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Great idea! (really) How will it play against HIPPA?


Like this. Some one will be denied, and someone will leak who and why, and that someone denied will sue the beavershait out of the federal government for giving him the public cray cray label.

They will make him swim up shait creek to the supreme court with no paddle, and then try to stall with a bunch of hemming and hawwing old assholes in black robes.

This will be followed by an ACLU backed civil suit that will eventually make the government back down and return our victim diddly squat.

S the law will be repealed, and no one wins, except all your medical records will be made public by some hacker.
The only positive outcome will be you will be able to to a Poon-Fax on that gal you met at that dating site to see if she has the herps or not.
 
2014-01-03 05:00:28 PM
You want to buy a gun, eh? OK, let's see the updated certificate.

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2014-01-03 05:04:03 PM

vudukungfu: This will be followed by an ACLU backed civil suit that will eventually make the government back down and return our victim diddly squat.

S the law will be repealed


Except for the fact that it's not a law, it's an executive order, and likely isn't a violation of HIPPA. It's not a violation of HIPPA for executive agencies to share this type of information with one another.
 
2014-01-03 05:10:42 PM
Not a bad idea, we just have to make sure that people don't abuse this information or deny civil rights to people who are or have undergone treatment for depression or been prescribed anti-depressants as part of a strategy for fighting another disease, like they're doing in New York with the SAFE Act.
 
2014-01-03 05:18:45 PM
Cool. Will there be a process to restore your rights after being deemed healthy?
 
2014-01-03 05:24:25 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Great idea! (really) How will it play against HIPPA?


Provided no exact medical information is released, it shouldn't be a problem
 
2014-01-03 05:41:21 PM

Mugato: I'm so Goddamed sick of hearing about Obama coming to your house to take your farking guns. Do you even know what Romney's stance on gun control was? Yeah, me neither, sort of like determining the position of an electron.


Romney wanted to make it legal to shoot poor people for sport.
 
2014-01-03 05:42:01 PM
As a law-abiding mentally ill person who could legally own guns, I am one hundred percent in favor of this order as explained in this article.
 
2014-01-03 05:43:57 PM

vudukungfu: Dancin_In_Anson: Great idea! (really) How will it play against HIPPA?

Like this. Some one will be denied, and someone will leak who and why, and that someone denied will sue the beavershait out of the federal government for giving him the public cray cray label.

They will make him swim up shait creek to the supreme court with no paddle, and then try to stall with a bunch of hemming and hawwing old assholes in black robes.

This will be followed by an ACLU backed civil suit that will eventually make the government back down and return our victim diddly squat.

S the law will be repealed, and no one wins, except all your medical records will be made public by some hacker.
The only positive outcome will be you will be able to to a Poon-Fax on that gal you met at that dating site to see if she has the herps or not.



HIPPA doesn't come into play. It's why doctors are allowed to call the police to come talk to you if you show up at the hospital with a bullet wound.

As long as they are not providing too many details, doctors can give information to law enforcement agencies.
 
2014-01-03 05:48:25 PM

RexTalionis: I don't understand understand any logical reason why enhanced background checks as a condition of firearm ownership is even controversial. Hell, in 1999, the NRA was totally behind universal background checks.

Until they just went completely nuts (as opposed to mostly nuts).


Gun nuts think any list of gun owners is just a plan to figure out where guns are so they can be confiscated. To them, there is nothing else it could possible ever be used for, no matter how many crazies shoot however many innocents.
 
2014-01-03 05:48:29 PM
"The proposed rule will not change the fact that seeking help for mental health problems or getting treatment does not make someone legally prohibited from having a firearm," the White House said in a statement. "Furthermore, nothing in the proposed rule would require reporting on general mental health visits or other routine mental health care, or would exempt providers solely performing these treatment services from existing privacy rules."

Lock and load, nut cases. You're still good to go.
 
2014-01-03 05:50:26 PM
If you dont think like a progressive then you are insane.  Take all GOP guns.
 
2014-01-03 05:52:30 PM
The only thing to be wary of is using mental illness as an excuse.  That being said, it looks like the wording was very careful to avoid that.
 I mean, anorexia or something shouldn't be cause enough to take away a persons second amendment right
 
2014-01-03 05:53:34 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: RexTalionis: I don't understand understand any logical reason why enhanced background checks as a condition of firearm ownership is even controversial. Hell, in 1999, the NRA was totally behind universal background checks.

Until they just went completely nuts (as opposed to mostly nuts).

Gun nuts think any list of gun owners is just a plan to figure out where guns are so they can be confiscated. To them, there is nothing else it could possible ever be used for, no matter how many crazies shoot however many innocents.


There is some historical precedent for this, you know.
 
2014-01-03 05:54:05 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Great idea! (really) How will it play against HIPPA?


DYRTFA?
 
2014-01-03 05:55:09 PM

scarmig: Sergeant Grumbles: RexTalionis: I don't understand understand any logical reason why enhanced background checks as a condition of firearm ownership is even controversial. Hell, in 1999, the NRA was totally behind universal background checks.

Until they just went completely nuts (as opposed to mostly nuts).

Gun nuts think any list of gun owners is just a plan to figure out where guns are so they can be confiscated. To them, there is nothing else it could possible ever be used for, no matter how many crazies shoot however many innocents.

There is some historical precedent for this, you know.


Example A: See above.
 
2014-01-03 05:57:41 PM

EatenTheSun: Cool. Will there be a process to restore your rights after being deemed healthy?


Yep, just use the form you fill in to get your voting rights back when you get out of jail.  Scratch out felon, write in lunatic and you're good to go.

Cheers.
 
2014-01-03 05:59:10 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: scarmig: Sergeant Grumbles: RexTalionis: I don't understand understand any logical reason why enhanced background checks as a condition of firearm ownership is even controversial. Hell, in 1999, the NRA was totally behind universal background checks.

Until they just went completely nuts (as opposed to mostly nuts).

Gun nuts think any list of gun owners is just a plan to figure out where guns are so they can be confiscated. To them, there is nothing else it could possible ever be used for, no matter how many crazies shoot however many innocents.

There is some historical precedent for this, you know.

Example A: See above.


I know, it's crazy to think the government would ever do anything unconstitutional or that wasn't in the best interest of the citizenry.
 
2014-01-03 05:59:54 PM

Brian_of_Nazareth: EatenTheSun: Cool. Will there be a process to restore your rights after being deemed healthy?

Yep, just use the form you fill in to get your voting rights back when you get out of jail.  Scratch out felon, write in lunatic and you're good to go.

Cheers.


Cool. As long as there's a process to restore rights.
 
2014-01-03 06:03:17 PM
Gun nuts think any list of gun owners is just a plan to figure out where guns are so they can be confiscated. To them, there is nothing else it could possible ever be used for, no matter how many crazies shoot however many innocents.

Except, of course, this is exactly how the government would use it. After Katrina, the New Orleans PD went right to people's houses with listed gun permits to confiscate guns, thinking they were improving public safety, but in fact risking the lives of the people they took the guns from, because they were then completely defenseless from looters, while the New Orleans PD abandoned its posts and fled....

The government abuses EVERY SINGLE power, capability or privilege it has ever been given. Period.
 
2014-01-03 06:03:36 PM
the law abiding mentally ill

That's a lot of pissed off republicans. Oh, wait, I didn't see the "law-abiding" part. Nevermind.
 
2014-01-03 06:04:16 PM
I can see all the usual Russett-Americans are out in force to pout about rights. Many of them probably think Phil Robertson's tiff with A&E was a first amendment issue too.
//with great heat capacity comes great drooling.//what, calorimetry and potatoes aren't as good as peas and carrots?
 
2014-01-03 06:05:43 PM
If you've been involuntarily admitted to a mental hospital, you cannot own a gun, as of forever, as far as I know. Certainly it was true ten years ago. So the real question is how does the department of pre-crime identify the people who are going to be a problem in the future.
 
2014-01-03 06:08:28 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Provided no exact medical information is released, it shouldn't be a problem


"Dude's a farking loon and shouldn't be allowed to purchase" while not an acceptable medical term (I'm guessing) is pretty exact.

Lee Jackson Beauregard: DYRTFA?


Yeah, and my question stands. HIPPA is another god idea that can get carried away. And "limited information" is pretty farking ambiguous. If Seung-Hui Cho's wacko status had been a bit more readily available, VT may not have ever happened.
 
2014-01-03 06:08:58 PM
So he is after the Tea Party's guns...
 
2014-01-03 06:09:05 PM

EatenTheSun: I know, it's crazy to think the government would ever do anything unconstitutional or that wasn't in the best interest of the citizenry.


Example B: See above.

What's crazy is assuming it's the first and only step towards gun confiscation, and that is the only thing it could ever possibly be used for. There's no shortage of gun owner who act like it's exactly that, and it seems to be the position of the NRA as well.
 
2014-01-03 06:12:35 PM
First they came for the mentally ill, and I said nothing, because I was not mentally ill. Then they came for the gun owners, and I said nothing, because I was not mentally ill.
 
2014-01-03 06:13:18 PM

mark12A: Except, of course, this is exactly how the government would use it. After Katrina, the New Orleans PD went right to people's houses with listed gun permits to confiscate guns, thinking they were improving public safety, but in fact risking the lives of the people they took the guns from, because they were then completely defenseless from looters, while the New Orleans PD abandoned its posts and fled....


This is an isolated case that could be addressed in a reasonable compromise.

mark12A: The government abuses EVERY SINGLE power, capability or privilege it has ever been given. Period.


This is pathetic, fear-mongering whining that gun nuts especially like to hide behind when their toys cause harm.
 
2014-01-03 06:14:03 PM

itcamefromschenectady: If you've been involuntarily admitted to a mental hospital, you cannot own a gun, as of forever, as far as I know. Certainly it was true ten years ago. So the real question is how does the department of pre-crime identify the people who are going to be a problem in the future.


They start with people who whine about a "department of pre-crime."
 
2014-01-03 06:15:25 PM

mark12A: Gun nuts think any list of gun owners is just a plan to figure out where guns are so they can be confiscated. To them, there is nothing else it could possible ever be used for, no matter how many crazies shoot however many innocents.

Except, of course, this is exactly how the government would use it. After Katrina, the New Orleans PD went right to people's houses with listed gun permits to confiscate guns, thinking they were improving public safety, but in fact risking the lives of the people they took the guns from, because they were then completely defenseless from looters, while the New Orleans PD abandoned its posts and fled....

The government abuses EVERY SINGLE power, capability or privilege it has ever been given. Period.


Oooga booga! We're comin' fer yer gunz!
 
2014-01-03 06:20:40 PM

mark12A: Gun nuts think any list of gun owners is just a plan to figure out where guns are so they can be confiscated. To them, there is nothing else it could possible ever be used for, no matter how many crazies shoot however many innocents.

Except, of course, this is exactly how the government would use it. After Katrina, the New Orleans PD went right to people's houses with listed gun permits to confiscate guns, thinking they were improving public safety, but in fact risking the lives of the people they took the guns from, because they were then completely defenseless from looters, while the New Orleans PD abandoned its posts and fled....

The government abuses EVERY SINGLE power, capability or privilege it has ever been given. Period.



Sigh. Rush Limbaugh called, he has an opening for a ball scratcher and you seem to be qualified.
 
2014-01-03 06:20:56 PM

Mugato: I'm so Goddamed sick of hearing about Obama coming to your house to take your farking guns. Do you even know what Romney's stance on gun control was? Yeah, me neither, sort of like determining the position of an electron.


Seriously. I am absolutely done with the gun culture. I am sick of the "OMG PANIC" bullshiat, the stupid, reactionary positions and, most of all, the utter inability to realize that most of their political positions are hypocritical. They call for Union busting and abortion but "MAH GUNZ" shiat.

I'm done. And I say this as a gun owner and supporter of gun rights. I might just sell all my post-1959 firearms and be done with it.

There's a gun show tomorrow and I'm probably not going to go. Just sick of the inflated prices, stupid political crap and morons.
 
2014-01-03 06:23:49 PM
FTFA: The Obama administration on Friday put forward two proposals to strengthen the federal gun background check system so that relevant mental health information is shared more efficiently with the states

Do you know who also wanted mental health records ?

/Oh yea, I went there, runs away : )

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2014-01-03 06:30:43 PM

RexTalionis: I don't understand understand any logical reason why enhanced background checks as a condition of firearm ownership is even controversial. Hell, in 1999, the NRA was totally behind universal background checks.

Until they just went completely nuts (as opposed to mostly nuts).


I once asked on this very website if someone could explain to me why universal background checks were a bad thing. I received several threats to 'dig up everything we can on you'. I'm still not sure what that meant, but the posts were deleted and I don't think I've seen anything from that person since.

Near as I could figure, their argument was that since we don't have background checks for free speech, then we can't have background checks for firearm ownership.
 
2014-01-03 06:30:49 PM

stoli n coke: itcamefromschenectady: If you've been involuntarily admitted to a mental hospital, you cannot own a gun, as of forever, as far as I know. Certainly it was true ten years ago. So the real question is how does the department of pre-crime identify the people who are going to be a problem in the future.

They start with people who whine about a "department of pre-crime."


Is there something that you don't like about what I said, despite it being true? I'm not a gun owner and never will be.
 
2014-01-03 06:32:39 PM
Sigh,  Mentally ill people have constitutional rights too until they actually commit a crime and are convicted you cannot take away their guns.
 
2014-01-03 06:32:49 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: RexTalionis: I don't understand understand any logical reason why enhanced background checks as a condition of firearm ownership is even controversial. Hell, in 1999, the NRA was totally behind universal background checks.

Until they just went completely nuts (as opposed to mostly nuts).

Gun nuts think any list of gun owners is just a plan to figure out where guns are so they can be confiscated. To them, there is nothing else it could possible ever be used for, no matter how many crazies shoot however many innocents.


Sadly this is the truth and and talk of sensible gun control ( not banning or confiscation) ends up being derped to death by gun nuts spotting NRA talking points.

Funny thing is actual hunters tend to be more sensible on the subject of gun control.
 
2014-01-03 06:34:03 PM
The government abuses EVERY SINGLE power, capability or privilege it has ever been given. Period.

SG:  This is pathetic, fear-mongering whining that gun nuts especially like to hide behind when their toys cause harm.


HOW can you say that? Do you not read the news? NSA shenanigans, endless police abuse of drug laws to confiscate property in violation of the 5th amendment, endless abuses of the 4th amendment, the defacto banning of carrying large quantities of cash, endless attacks on free speech, on and on going back to the 30's ("Oh no, we'll never use the Social Security number as a national identification number" ).

You're a goddam fool.
 
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