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2004-01-26 03:56:16 PM
EVERYONE with the power to vote should be protective of their constitutional rights.

If you don't think the PATRIOT act affects you, READ IT! Is your spouse at an army base? Best not take a snapshot when you visit because that's ILLEGAL.
 
2004-01-26 03:56:22 PM
Bill_Wick's_Friend
Maher Arar's story is scary! If anyone has doubts about the Patriot Act they should read all about his ordeal.

Maybe the Patroit Act hasn't affected me directly. However, if people don't protest over abuses like this it's more likely to happen to more people and eventually you or someone you know.
 
2004-01-26 03:56:30 PM
Joe Horn

Granted, but that was

1) during an actual war
2) before my time so I couldn't do anything about it.
 
2004-01-26 03:56:50 PM
Well Heck, the terrorists will win now.
 
2004-01-26 03:56:55 PM
Wow that last sentence came out poorly.

That should have read dspite the brush that extremeists in either camp paint each other with and especially despite what you read on fark.

Way too many thoughts going on simultaneously. Somebody radio me the instructions to clear my flash memory.
 
2004-01-26 03:57:04 PM
I know how it is. Destroying the Constitution is only good when you support the party that is doing it. I'm glad I'm not a Republicrat. Who said I want Regan on the dime?
 
2004-01-26 03:57:09 PM

"I'm meeeeeeeeeeltinnnnnng."
 
2004-01-26 03:57:20 PM
waitaminute: It is funny that you praise your senator for doing something that was not popular but was right. I say that because that is what George Bush did when he went to war with Iraq. As far as the Patriot act goes, it doesn't bother me. The only people who should be mad about it are the people doing things they are not supposed to be doing. Like being a terrorist. Or helping terrorists.
 
2004-01-26 03:57:29 PM
Take that Adolf Ashcroft!
 
2004-01-26 03:57:34 PM
Woohoo! Score one for the good guys!

OK, so this was a relatively innocuous part of the Act which was overturned. However, it's still an important first step. Maybe when the whole thing is overturned, we will finally have some semblance of normalcy again.
 
2004-01-26 03:57:39 PM
If Bush has the Turks do his torture, it's no problem.


That's nobody's business but the Turks.

/TMBG sux
 
2004-01-26 03:57:46 PM
BTW : I hope all you people against the Patriot Act, are also against banning smoking in bars, and against the new handsfree cel phone regulation. Its all taking rights away... in your opinion.

smoking in bars and handsfree cel phones are not rights, Gray_Calx. but thank you for trying. please try again sometime.
 
2004-01-26 03:57:49 PM
Ermungslos - now you are getting carried away sir. Go pray for us.
 
2004-01-26 03:57:54 PM
If anyone even looks at the person who sold a candy bar to the person who thinks I ever did something suspicious, I'd love to be put in jail indefinitely with no legal representation. Friggin' awesome!
 
2004-01-26 03:57:56 PM
robertbrasco - if you think we need to throw out the constitution in order to make us safer as a nation, then you really are a moron, and would probably be happier under a political system like they have in Iran or Saudi Arabia than the liberal democratic republic conceived of by the founding fathers of this country. The text of USA Patriot is public record, and the abuses (just those so far!) are well-documented - the only way you can consider the act constitutional and the concerns to be "conspiracy theories" is if you're illiterate.

And speaking of which, it's spelled "etc.".
 
2004-01-26 03:58:36 PM
I was actually okay with the idea of a Patriot Act right after 9-11, because there were reports of thousands of terrorist sleeper cells in America, and I thought maybe it was right. I mean, they had just flown planes into the WTC.

So I was ambivalent about it.

Then they arrested over 1000 suspects. Terrorists found: zero.

Hmm.
If the Patriot Act had been proven, now two years later, to have played any role in fighting terrorism, then maybe, MAYBE, I could see it.

But it just seems to be about furthering the paranoid Bush's vision of a police state under one political party only.

So for that I say it's gotta go.

But I did try to have an open mind about it.
 
2004-01-26 03:58:57 PM
robertbrasco said:
It is funny that you praise your senator for doing something that was not popular but was right. I say that because that is what George Bush did when he went to war with Iraq.


You have that wrong. The war was popular and still is. It was never right.
 
2004-01-26 03:59:05 PM
scooby111 OT. Are you trying to say that you really think the founding fathers would support ownership of AK-47s, Uzis, and other then-unheard-of weapononry? That's hard for me to believe. Rifles, shotguns, sure. Semi-auto pistols and fully auto guns like we have now..I just can't imagine Madison getting behind that.
 
2004-01-26 03:59:36 PM
Ermungslos
"I'm so glad you're pro-abortion (shocker) Hope you and your Nazi friends have a good ole time down at the third-trimester abortion clinic. Hell, you guys lobbying for that fourth trimester abortion yet? Kid born with Downs? Abort!"

Ermungslos thinks Government Mandated Pregnancy is a good idea, then calls folks in support of reproductive rights "Nazis."

Watch out, we have a brainiac on our hands...
 
2004-01-26 03:59:37 PM
I smoke in hospital rooms, elevators, and on the train. Almost anywhere is a great place and occasion to light up a smoke. I'm smoking right now, in your car.

But smoking in a bar is just wrong. Think of the bartenders!
 
2004-01-26 04:00:15 PM
Taking away smoking in bars is taking away rights. It should be the right of the business owner what kind of establishment he wants to run. If you fon't like the smoke, get the fark out of there.
 
2004-01-26 04:00:20 PM
Big_Bad_Dad

That silence is because everyone who has had their rights trampled by this act is in jail with no access to lawyers or family, jackass.
 
2004-01-26 04:01:24 PM
RTFA. The only part declared unconstitutional by this judge was the part that makes it illegal to help terrorist organizations. Glorious.

Since it's an LA judge, I assume the ruling was made after he found out that SHAC and Earth First! have been so designated by the FBI.
 
2004-01-26 04:01:50 PM
 
2004-01-26 04:01:50 PM
2004-01-26 03:57:39 PM NutznGum
If Bush has the Turks do his torture, it's no problem.


So, Jimmy, ever been inside a Turkish prison?
 
2004-01-26 04:02:12 PM
..yeah, he was the only person to vote against the Patriot Act - and now he's dead, funny how that works.

That it has even happened at all is frightening, and that there is a PA II, not to mention a number of other restrictive bills going on with less "obvious" names..

King George must go, and his cronies in congress...


ALL HAIL THE HOMELAND! OBEY AND BE SPARED!
 
2004-01-26 04:02:24 PM
Ermungslos

I'm so glad you're pro-abortion (shocker) Hope you and your Nazi friends have a good ole time down at the third-trimester abortion clinic. Hell, you guys lobbying for that fourth trimester abortion yet? Kid born with Downs? Abort!

Well, I'll say this: that's the first time I've heard left-wingers compared to Nazis. I don't even have a joke here. This is the singlemost inane, off-topic, I-am-rubber-you-are-glue retort I've ever read on Fark, and that's saying a LOT.

Word of advice, oogums: stop talking. You clearly having nothing intelligent to say. And take a PoliSci course.
 
2004-01-26 04:02:43 PM
cam in RI - And you know this.

/betting that less than 1% of you haven't read 1 line of this Act.
 
2004-01-26 04:03:11 PM
Man, what was that movie about the guy in the turkish prison... it was so good...

midnight express? I think.
 
2004-01-26 04:03:25 PM
CuttingEdge --
One might quibble that the amendment imposing term-limits on presidents restricts the rights of Americans, while imposing a sanction that could otherwise still be imposed by the voters at will, so long as elections remain free and fair that is.
Perhaps an unscrupulous incumbent could collude with or intimidate media into essentially backing him and ignoring rivals, but not even the Nixon campaign (perhaps the most obvious and egregious example of no-holds-barred campaigning incl. forgery, theft, sabotage...) managed to do that.
 
2004-01-26 04:03:30 PM
2004-01-26 04:00:15 PM Joe Horn
Taking away smoking in bars is taking away rights. It should be the right of the business owner what kind of establishment he wants to run. If you fon't like the smoke, get the fark out of there.


So smokers have the right to make me either (a) stink like shiat after going to a bar or restaurant and make me smoke along with them by breathing in their fumes or (b) stay home where no one smokes?

Your freedom ends where mine begins.
 
2004-01-26 04:03:33 PM
Ermungslos! Pray for me too, pray for me too!!!!
 
2004-01-26 04:03:40 PM
NutznGum


If Bush has the Turks do his torture, it's no problem.


That's nobody's business but the Turks.


Let me understand you here. If I have a prisoner in my care, and I send him to a foreign authority with a shopping list of questions I want answered. I have no moral responsibility concerning any treatment he may receive?
 
2004-01-26 04:03:58 PM
Ermungslos

If you're going to compare liberals to any extreme group, it would be the evil Commies, not Nazis. Nazis are extreme to the right. It's called Fascism.
 
2004-01-26 04:05:15 PM
If there is a problem, just throw more laws at it. That'll fix everything.
 
2004-01-26 04:06:28 PM
judasdiomedes:

The entire point to the 2nd Amendment for many (not all) of the founders was that the government never be better-armed than the people.
 
2004-01-26 04:06:35 PM
Ermungslos likes Bush, right? Therefore he likes Liberals, because Bush is the biggest tax and spend liberal we have ever suffered.
 
2004-01-26 04:06:37 PM
Hm, I wonder what the smokers would think if all the non-smokers bottled up their car exhaust and then released it into the smoke-filled bars... constantly. They'd be hollering their arses off!
 
2004-01-26 04:06:45 PM
Lets see if we can name other parts of the Constitution that are being violated.

Searches for where it says that the feds can control education

Nope, not in here.

Searches for 10th amendment

Yup its still there. I guess they just IGNORE the parts they don't like.
 
2004-01-26 04:07:01 PM
I don't know why so many people want the WHOLE patriot act torn apart. I've read a good deal of it and many clauses simply adress and allow the agencies to work together so that imformation an agency recieves can be shared and put to good use, not after the fact. Many of the parts that are dangerous and potentially threaten civil liberties have a sunset clause, and hopefully, we won't have to live with them too much longer.

That is all.
 
2004-01-26 04:07:05 PM
judasdiomedes - I believe that founding fathers put the second amendment in the constitution so that citizens would have the ability to protect themselves from the government. Remember they had just overthrown their masters and were concerned about it happening again. How do you protect yourself from apaches, M1 tanks, and fully automatic rifles unless you too can own them?

On a related note, do you think the founding fathers really wanted you to be able to contact a terrorist group on another continent and provide them aid in their attempt to overthrow the US government? Hmmmm?
 
2004-01-26 04:07:11 PM
syberghost


judasdiomedes:

The entire point to the 2nd Amendment for many (not all) of the founders was that the government never be better-armed than the people.

The FINAL check and balance is a well armed people.
 
2004-01-26 04:07:33 PM
I have the solution to this smoking/no smoking madness....let a certain number of bars obtain smoking permits.

If the owner wants smoking in their establishment, they get the permit. Like a liquor license, an owner may have to wait until one becomes available to get the permit.

Offer smoking permits to 30% of the number of bars. Problem solved. If you are a bartender, you consent to smoking in your workplace before being hired, if a patron you consent by entering. Smoking signs everywhere.

Choice. It's awesome.
 
2004-01-26 04:07:35 PM
The Patriot Act is so massive. Most Congressional Reps haven't even read it. They certainly didn't get a chance to read it before they voted on it. That's just silly. Haste makes waste... we're just wasting our time having to undo the questionable crap in the Patriot act.

FYI, just for fun.... did you know that USA PATRIOT Act stands for:

"Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism"

They had to have been high when they made that up.
 
2004-01-26 04:07:39 PM
robertbrasco
It is crazy how quickly people forget about 9/11 and the things we need to do to prevent another one.

and you can scroll through this thread and point out everyone who will be the first ones to complain if/when one happens again.

oops wait, i'm sorry, that must be "fox logic" gotta watch that whole common sense thing.

and not for anything folks, but if you take the boys who wrote the ol' constitution years ago and put them into TODAYS circumstances, i think things would be a bit different. 1776...kinda a long time ago, things do change, i would hope at least.
 
2004-01-26 04:08:16 PM
steeljay

take a lot of constitutional law while training to be a chemist?
 
2004-01-26 04:08:50 PM
WOO HOO!! Score one for the American way!! Take that, terrorists!
 
2004-01-26 04:08:58 PM
2004-01-26 04:03:40 PM ChairmanKaga


NutznGum


If Bush has the Turks do his torture, it's no problem.


That's nobody's business but the Turks.


Let me understand you here. If I have a prisoner in my care, and I send him to a foreign authority with a shopping list of questions I want answered. I have no moral responsibility concerning any treatment he may receive?


My post was a joke. Have you ever heard the song 'Istanbul was Constantinople" before? There's a line it that goes 'It's nobody's business but the Turks". The song was covered by They Might Be Giants.

on a serious note, i find this practice to be horrible. Just look what happened to Maher Arar.
 
2004-01-26 04:09:08 PM
because Bush is the biggest tax and spend liberal we have ever suffered.

correction... Bush is a tax-CUT and spend liberal. He leaves out the tax part, and just sticks to spending.
 
2004-01-26 04:09:12 PM
ElwoodCuse, you have the right to go to a non-smoking bar. The owner of the smoking bar knows that he might lose some non-smokers, but that is HIS business decision.
 
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