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2014-01-03 08:28:45 AM  
I am hoping you mean 'passing' here means cars overtaking each other, rather than dying.
 
2014-01-03 08:30:43 AM  
Yeah, I am dumb - took time to take in what you said now, forget above post. :(
 
2014-01-03 10:19:08 AM  
Alternatively you could have gone with fans honoring him with a parade for the same effect.

Good headline though!
 
2014-01-03 10:20:54 AM  
Excellent headline.
 
2014-01-03 10:27:45 AM  
+1, subby
 
2014-01-03 10:28:50 AM  
When you've got 68 poles in just over 300 starts, you're not going to pass as much.

You also have to remember when the aero rules changes went into place.   Shortly after he retired the first time, the financial collapse hit and FIA implemented a number of changes designed to cut costs.  This included prohibiting almost all aero devices other than the front and rear wing, the rear wings themselves got narrower and taller, and the front wings got wider and lower.  They also re-banned TCS; traction control was initially prohibited in 1994, re-allowed in 2000, then banned again in 2008 (Schumi won five of his seven championships in an era where teams were allowed to use TCS).

The unintended consequence of these changes?  Cars needed clean air to make the most use of downforce.  The closer you got to the car in front of you, the more disruption that guy's aero created.  So you had a situation where a car with a lead had a big advantage in holding that lead.  This is why KERS was introduced almost immediately after they banned TCS, and why after two years of passing almost disappearing DRS was introduced.
 
2014-01-03 10:30:03 AM  
I'm not optimistic on his chances.
 
2014-01-03 10:31:57 AM  
Is this why the new series of Top Gear has been delayed?  Can't film without a functioning Stig.
 
2014-01-03 10:41:53 AM  

GooberMcFly: Is this why the new series of Top Gear has been delayed?  Can't film without a functioning Stig.


Schumi was Stig for one episode only: driving his own Ferrari FXX.
 
2014-01-03 10:42:33 AM  
I remember the 2003 season, where he'd go from the back to front within half a race.
 
2014-01-03 10:45:05 AM  

UNC_Samurai: When you've got 68 poles in just over 300 starts, you're not going to pass as much.

You also have to remember when the aero rules changes went into place.   Shortly after he retired the first time, the financial collapse hit and FIA implemented a number of changes designed to cut costs.  This included prohibiting almost all aero devices other than the front and rear wing, the rear wings themselves got narrower and taller, and the front wings got wider and lower.  They also re-banned TCS; traction control was initially prohibited in 1994, re-allowed in 2000, then banned again in 2008 (Schumi won five of his seven championships in an era where teams were allowed to use TCS).

The unintended consequence of these changes?  Cars needed clean air to make the most use of downforce.  The closer you got to the car in front of you, the more disruption that guy's aero created.  So you had a situation where a car with a lead had a big advantage in holding that lead.  This is why KERS was introduced almost immediately after they banned TCS, and why after two years of passing almost disappearing DRS was introduced.


WTF, IDK, my BFF Jill?
 
2014-01-03 10:50:51 AM  
Are we talking about the Michael Schumacher who has multiple multiple multiple formula one championships? The one who is like a zillionaire from his racing awesomeness?

Subby's only chance of being 1/10th as awesome as Schumacher is if he sets the land speed record in sucking.
 
2014-01-03 10:54:57 AM  
Even in a coma he can drive circles around his brother.
 
2014-01-03 10:56:05 AM  
Que Senna, Senna.
Whatever will be, will be....
 
2014-01-03 11:03:24 AM  

SevenizGud: Are we talking about the Michael Schumacher who has multiple multiple multiple formula one championships? The one who is like a zillionaire from his racing awesomeness?

Subby's only chance of being 1/10th as awesome as Schumacher is if he sets the land speed record in sucking.


I'm a Schumacher fan and actually liked the headline.  The joke was about the lack of passing in F1, not any lack of skill for Michael.

My favorite was watching him stretch a lead out, then sandbag, and turn fast times the lap before and after a pit stop to stay in the lead the whole time.  He was unbeatable on wet tracks as well.
 
2014-01-03 11:04:39 AM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: He was unbeatable on wet tracks as well.


And if his driving didn't get him there, the radio did.
 
2014-01-03 11:07:14 AM  
mauivents.com
 
2014-01-03 11:16:10 AM  

SevenizGud: Michael Schumacher


Michael Schumacher net worth and salary: Michael Schumacher is a German Formula One race car driver who has a net worth of $800 million.
 
2014-01-03 11:19:25 AM  
Great headline, horrible situation.

Never been a  (Michael) Schumacher fan, but this is just wrong.  Really hoping he pulls through it in the end.
 
2014-01-03 11:22:23 AM  

Kurohone: Great headline, horrible situation.

Never been a  (Michael) Schumacher fan, but this is just wrong.  Really hoping he pulls through it in the end.


pretty much this.

i saw him overcook it on the first corner at the '96 monaco GP in the wet. it was kind of hilarious, actually.
 
2014-01-03 11:26:42 AM  

UNC_Samurai: When you've got 68 poles in just over 300 starts, you're not going to pass as much.

You also have to remember when the aero rules changes went into place.   Shortly after he retired the first time, the financial collapse hit and FIA implemented a number of changes designed to cut costs.  This included prohibiting almost all aero devices other than the front and rear wing, the rear wings themselves got narrower and taller, and the front wings got wider and lower.  They also re-banned TCS; traction control was initially prohibited in 1994, re-allowed in 2000, then banned again in 2008 (Schumi won five of his seven championships in an era where teams were allowed to use TCS).

The unintended consequence of these changes?  Cars needed clean air to make the most use of downforce.  The closer you got to the car in front of you, the more disruption that guy's aero created.  So you had a situation where a car with a lead had a big advantage in holding that lead.  This is why KERS was introduced almost immediately after they banned TCS, and why after two years of passing almost disappearing DRS was introduced.


Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause if it leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put out in K.P.
 
2014-01-03 11:27:51 AM  

UNC_Samurai: When you've got 68 poles in just over 300 starts, you're not going to pass as much.

You also have to remember when the aero rules changes went into place.   Shortly after he retired the first time, the financial collapse hit and FIA implemented a number of changes designed to cut costs.  This included prohibiting almost all aero devices other than the front and rear wing, the rear wings themselves got narrower and taller, and the front wings got wider and lower.  They also re-banned TCS; traction control was initially prohibited in 1994, re-allowed in 2000, then banned again in 2008 (Schumi won five of his seven championships in an era where teams were allowed to use TCS).

The unintended consequence of these changes?  Cars needed clean air to make the most use of downforce.  The closer you got to the car in front of you, the more disruption that guy's aero created.  So you had a situation where a car with a lead had a big advantage in holding that lead.  This is why KERS was introduced almost immediately after they banned TCS, and why after two years of passing almost disappearing DRS was introduced.


More like twenty-two years. I think I've been hearing people complain about a lack of passing in Formula One due to aerodynamic sensitivity since the early 90s (never mind that passing is more difficult in road racing to begin with).

/ Late 90s at least
// They brought back moveable wings
/// Maybe someday they'll bring back ground effects
//// And ban Adrian Newey
 
2014-01-03 11:40:34 AM  

SurelyShirley: UNC_Samurai: When you've got 68 poles in just over 300 starts, you're not going to pass as much.

You also have to remember when the aero rules changes went into place.   Shortly after he retired the first time, the financial collapse hit and FIA implemented a number of changes designed to cut costs.  This included prohibiting almost all aero devices other than the front and rear wing, the rear wings themselves got narrower and taller, and the front wings got wider and lower.  They also re-banned TCS; traction control was initially prohibited in 1994, re-allowed in 2000, then banned again in 2008 (Schumi won five of his seven championships in an era where teams were allowed to use TCS).

The unintended consequence of these changes?  Cars needed clean air to make the most use of downforce.  The closer you got to the car in front of you, the more disruption that guy's aero created.  So you had a situation where a car with a lead had a big advantage in holding that lead.  This is why KERS was introduced almost immediately after they banned TCS, and why after two years of passing almost disappearing DRS was introduced.

Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause if it leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put out in K.P.


Then it'd be B.O.H.I.C.A.
 
2014-01-03 12:04:30 PM  

The Muthaship: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: He was unbeatable on wet tracks as well.

And if his driving didn't get him there, the radio did.


No one could ever prove it, but for years Ferrari was suspected of using banned traction control. The process was relatively simple in concept: the required programs were sent to the car directly from the factory just before they were needed and were deleted immediately after.

I wish Mr Schumacher well. I sincerely hope he pulls through and makes a full recovery. I will, however, remain unconvinced by those who claim he was the greatest F1 driver ever. IMO, he was a very good driver who happened to be driving for what, at the time was the greatest team, who were all dedicated to making him win, including the team's second driver who knew his job was not to win, but to help Michael win.
 
2014-01-03 12:52:47 PM  
Big Michael fan here - hope he makes it through.

capt.hollister: The Muthaship: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: He was unbeatable on wet tracks as well.

IMO, he was a very good driver who happened to be driving for what, at the time was the greatest team, who were all dedicated to making him win, including the team's second driver who knew his job was not to win, but to help Michael win.


Very true
 
2014-01-03 12:56:41 PM  

Spanky McStupid: Big Michael fan here - hope he makes it through.

capt.hollister: The Muthaship: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: He was unbeatable on wet tracks as well.

IMO, he was a very good driver who happened to be driving for what, at the time was the greatest team, who were all dedicated to making him win, including the team's second driver who knew his job was not to win, but to help Michael win.

Very true


And Rubens was a good enough driver to be the #1 for any other team.

/everyone was cheating; Ferrari was just doing it at a higher level
 
2014-01-03 01:06:53 PM  

capt.hollister: The Muthaship: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: He was unbeatable on wet tracks as well.

And if his driving didn't get him there, the radio did.

No one could ever prove it, but for years Ferrari was suspected of using banned traction control. The process was relatively simple in concept: the required programs were sent to the car directly from the factory just before they were needed and were deleted immediately after.

I wish Mr Schumacher well. I sincerely hope he pulls through and makes a full recovery. I will, however, remain unconvinced by those who claim he was the greatest F1 driver ever. IMO, he was a very good driver who happened to be driving for what, at the time was the greatest team, who were all dedicated to making him win, including the team's second driver who knew his job was not to win, but to help Michael win.


True, but I think some of that was directly due to the man himself helping drive the development of the car. He was the kind of driver who got heavily involved in the technical designs aspects of the car, in particular with regard to matching it to his driving style. Granted that's a different aspect to comparisons of pure driving skill, but if the question was which driver, from any era, would you want on your team then for me Schumi wins hands down.

You also have to note he won with two different teams and from what I remember, Williams arguably had the superior car during the championships he won at Benetton.
 
2014-01-03 01:15:38 PM  
So all we have to do is put Alonzo in front of him?

/Imola 2005 - My first race ever
 
2014-01-03 01:32:43 PM  

colinspooky: Yeah, I am dumb - took time to take in what you said now, forget above post. :(


You mean Subby wasn't talking about gas?
 
2014-01-03 01:40:57 PM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: SevenizGud: Are we talking about the Michael Schumacher who has multiple multiple multiple formula one championships? The one who is like a zillionaire from his racing awesomeness?

Subby's only chance of being 1/10th as awesome as Schumacher is if he sets the land speed record in sucking.

I'm a Schumacher fan and actually liked the headline.  The joke was about the lack of passing in F1, not any lack of skill for Michael.

My favorite was watching him stretch a lead out, then sandbag, and turn fast times the lap before and after a pit stop to stay in the lead the whole time.  He was unbeatable on wet tracks as well.


Dude could drive the fark out of an Opel taxi, too.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1572241/Michael-Schumacher -d rives-taxi-in-airport-dash.html
 
2014-01-03 01:45:29 PM  

capt.hollister: The Muthaship: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: He was unbeatable on wet tracks as well.

And if his driving didn't get him there, the radio did.

No one could ever prove it, but for years Ferrari was suspected of using banned traction control. The process was relatively simple in concept: the required programs were sent to the car directly from the factory just before they were needed and were deleted immediately after.

I wish Mr Schumacher well. I sincerely hope he pulls through and makes a full recovery. I will, however, remain unconvinced by those who claim he was the greatest F1 driver ever. IMO, he was a very good driver who happened to be driving for what, at the time was the greatest team, who were all dedicated to making him win, including the team's second driver who knew his job was not to win, but to help Michael win.


One of his most impressive seasons was 1998 when he lost the championship to Mika Hakkinen.  Mercedes was in a league of their own that year, but Schumacher still drove the wheels of his Ferrari and almost stole the championship.
 
2014-01-03 02:17:26 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: SevenizGud: Are we talking about the Michael Schumacher who has multiple multiple multiple formula one championships? The one who is like a zillionaire from his racing awesomeness?

Subby's only chance of being 1/10th as awesome as Schumacher is if he sets the land speed record in sucking.

I'm a Schumacher fan and actually liked the headline.  The joke was about the lack of passing in F1, not any lack of skill for Michael.

My favorite was watching him stretch a lead out, then sandbag, and turn fast times the lap before and after a pit stop to stay in the lead the whole time.  He was unbeatable on wet tracks as well.

Dude could drive the fark out of an Opel taxi, too.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1572241/Michael-Schumacher -d rives-taxi-in-airport-dash.html


And Carl Edwards could dust his ass in a Mini on a figure-eight.
 
2014-01-03 02:21:01 PM  
The only way this could be worse is if Brian France took over F1 from Bernie Eccelstone.
 
2014-01-03 02:31:53 PM  

the biggest redneck here: Dr Jack Badofsky: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: SevenizGud: Are we talking about the Michael Schumacher who has multiple multiple multiple formula one championships? The one who is like a zillionaire from his racing awesomeness?

Subby's only chance of being 1/10th as awesome as Schumacher is if he sets the land speed record in sucking.

I'm a Schumacher fan and actually liked the headline.  The joke was about the lack of passing in F1, not any lack of skill for Michael.

My favorite was watching him stretch a lead out, then sandbag, and turn fast times the lap before and after a pit stop to stay in the lead the whole time.  He was unbeatable on wet tracks as well.

Dude could drive the fark out of an Opel taxi, too.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1572241/Michael-Schumacher -d rives-taxi-in-airport-dash.html

And Carl Edwards could dust his ass in a Mini on a figure-eight.


Are you nuts?!  THAT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!

...It was a Fiat 500 Abarth.  Even worse.
 
2014-01-03 02:44:30 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: The only way this could be worse is if Brian France took over F1 from Bernie Eccelstone.


The guys who make the rules in F1 already seem to be taking cues from Brian France.
 
2014-01-03 02:50:46 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: the biggest redneck here: Dr Jack Badofsky: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: SevenizGud: Are we talking about the Michael Schumacher who has multiple multiple multiple formula one championships? The one who is like a zillionaire from his racing awesomeness?

Subby's only chance of being 1/10th as awesome as Schumacher is if he sets the land speed record in sucking.

I'm a Schumacher fan and actually liked the headline.  The joke was about the lack of passing in F1, not any lack of skill for Michael.

My favorite was watching him stretch a lead out, then sandbag, and turn fast times the lap before and after a pit stop to stay in the lead the whole time.  He was unbeatable on wet tracks as well.

Dude could drive the fark out of an Opel taxi, too.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1572241/Michael-Schumacher -d rives-taxi-in-airport-dash.html

And Carl Edwards could dust his ass in a Mini on a figure-eight.

Are you nuts?!  THAT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!

...It was a Fiat 500 Abarth.  Even worse.


Boy that was ugly.  I like Carl Edwards, and don't believe he has nearly the skill of Schumacher.  I think his preface tire warming may have backfired in that one, and the cars were probably more like a Sprint Cup car than an F1(although the track would have been tilted towards Michael).

Edwards wasn't so lucky in this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_GPhi3izqg
 
2014-01-03 02:57:44 PM  
I got to see him race a few times at Indy, even the race when him and Rubens finished side by side. Hope he pulls through.
 
2014-01-03 04:33:54 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: The only way this could be worse is if Brian France took over F1 from Bernie Eccelstone.


The bullet we dodged last year was Rupert Murdoch trying to buy FOM from Bernie.

And France would get eaten alive by the corrupt SOBs in Formula 1.  They're FIFA and IOC levels of corrupt.  It would end with France paying someone for the privilege of stealing his pants and make him fly home in his skivvies.
 
2014-01-03 05:09:42 PM  
I feel bad about getting a laugh out if the situation, but I gotta say that was a great headline, Subby.
 
2014-01-03 05:54:37 PM  

desertgeek: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: The only way this could be worse is if Brian France took over F1 from Bernie Eccelstone.

The guys who make the rules in F1 already seem to be taking cues from Brian France.


How do they say BOOGITY BOOGITY BOOGITY is French?
 
2014-01-03 06:47:11 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: desertgeek: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: The only way this could be worse is if Brian France took over F1 from Bernie Eccelstone.

The guys who make the rules in F1 already seem to be taking cues from Brian France.

How do they say BOOGITY BOOGITY BOOGITY is French?


According to the paparazzi, it's CHAMPS ELYSEES, CHAMPS ELYSEES, CHAMPS ELYSEES
 
2014-01-03 07:54:37 PM  
I have just read that he had a camera on his helmet when the accident happened, and it is being investigated now. This could be interesting.
 
2014-01-03 08:41:47 PM  

Victoly: (never mind that passing is more difficult in road racing to begin with).


Yeah, I can understand the point you're trying to make, but the pedantic asshole in me would like to note that the only F1 road races are Melbourne, Yas Marina and Monaco. The rest of them are on race tracks.

/And, just to satisfy my own curiosity: today, I learned that NASCAR cars have a 4 speed manual transmission.
//No need for any kind of finesse when your brief is "go fast, turn left", I suppose.
 
2014-01-03 09:07:18 PM  

iron de havilland: Victoly: (never mind that passing is more difficult in road racing to begin with).

Yeah, I can understand the point you're trying to make, but the pedantic asshole in me would like to note that the only F1 road races are Melbourne, Yas Marina and Monaco. The rest of them are on race tracks.

/And, just to satisfy my own curiosity: today, I learned that NASCAR cars have a 4 speed manual transmission.
//No need for any kind of finesse when your brief is "go fast, turn left", I suppose.


Far from truth, sir.  An F1 car weighs 1500 lbs, generates enough downforce at 100mph to supposedly be able to drive on the ceiling, has A much lower center of gravity than a Cup car, which weighs 3500lbs, has 9 inch wide tires, and does not contain enough downforce to allow it to drive upside down unless it's traveling north of 370mph.  Cup cars may only turn left (mostly), but their sheer heft combined with small tires and somewhat ancient chassis design require a driver be very in tune with how it's acting.....unless that driver is Juan Pablo Montoya, in which case you just seek the closest maintenance truck on the track.
 
2014-01-03 09:22:39 PM  
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/someone had to do it!
 
2014-01-04 12:27:18 AM  

iron de havilland: Victoly: (never mind that passing is more difficult in road racing to begin with).

Yeah, I can understand the point you're trying to make, but the pedantic asshole in me would like to note that the only F1 road races are Melbourne, Yas Marina and Monaco. The rest of them are on race tracks.

/And, just to satisfy my own curiosity: today, I learned that NASCAR cars have a 4 speed manual transmission.
//No need for any kind of finesse when your brief is "go fast, turn left", I suppose.


Nascar also holds races on actual tracks, including the F1 track in Montréal, and they still manage to do a lot of passing.

IMO, driving a car with no electronics of any kind requires more finesse than driving one with. Allowing a car to drift out of a turn until you are just grazing the outside wall requires a lot of finesse. Nascar drivers do this lap after lap after lap on superspeedways. There is also such a wall outside turn 13 on Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, the so-called Québec wall which F1 drivers regularly smash into, including three world champions (Gilles Villeneuve, Damon Hill, and Michael Schumacher himself) in a single race back in 1999, earning it a new nickname as the "wall of champions"
 
2014-01-04 01:02:37 PM  

iron de havilland: Victoly: (never mind that passing is more difficult in road racing to begin with).

Yeah, I can understand the point you're trying to make, but the pedantic asshole in me would like to note that the only F1 road races are Melbourne, Yas Marina and Monaco. The rest of them are on race tracks.

/And, just to satisfy my own curiosity: today, I learned that NASCAR cars have a 4 speed manual transmission.
//No need for any kind of finesse when your brief is "go fast, turn left", I suppose.


When I say "road racing", I mean "not oval racing" as opposed to "racing on circuits made of public roads". Also, I believe you mean Marina Bay, not Yas Marina, and Sochi will be about a third public roads.

/ I think that the four-speed is a holdover from the days when big blocks ruled NASCAR and four-speed transmissions were the only ones up to the task, then as transmission and gear technology improved, so didn't NASCAR
 
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