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2014-01-03 05:42:08 AM
Out on a limb here, but one sign might by when your clothes stop fitting.
 
2014-01-03 07:56:27 AM
Would madame like the just enough to restore caloric content portion, or the Fatty-Fatty 2x4 special?
 
2014-01-03 08:05:52 AM
You should stop eating when you begin to feel full.  That is too complicated for some people, I know.
 
2014-01-03 08:14:41 AM

Marcus Aurelius: You should stop eating when you begin to feel full.  That is too complicated for some people, I know.


It can take 20 minutes before that happens. So slow down in the buffet line, fatty.

/sounds fat
//is fat
 
2014-01-03 08:29:33 AM
I could go for a 6 pack of biscuits, and a fifth of gravy, right about now.
 
2014-01-03 08:44:18 AM
www.themedguru.com

I wouldn't say no signs.
 
2014-01-03 10:04:13 AM
That's why I always drink the whole fifth regardless of how drunk I feel.
 
2014-01-03 10:04:16 AM
Alcholal is not standard serves size are they saying when I buy a jack and coke it is always offically measured?
 
2014-01-03 10:05:15 AM

bearded clamorer: I could go for a 6 pack of biscuits, and a fifth of gravy, right about now.


With 4 fingers of bacon and a shot of eggs.
 
2014-01-03 10:05:43 AM
Passing out should not be your bar for 86ing. Just like diabetic coma should not be your point at stopping eating.
 
2014-01-03 10:05:55 AM

bearded clamorer: I could go for a 6 pack of biscuits, and a fifth of gravy, right about now.


Classic.
 
2014-01-03 10:08:15 AM
Because fatties
 
2014-01-03 10:09:02 AM
Hm, yes, true, drinking 375 mL of Bailey's is exactly the same as drinking 375 mL of rye whiskey. It is a good point that you make.
 
2014-01-03 10:09:14 AM

TheManMythLegend: Alcholal is not standard serves size are they saying when I buy a jack and coke it is always offically measured?


well, over-pouring cuts into profits so theoretically it should be close.
 
2014-01-03 10:10:11 AM

Marcus Aurelius: You should stop eating when you begin to feel full.  That is too complicated for some people, I know.


"I don't stop eating when I'm full. The meal isn't over when I'm full. It's over when I hate myself."

-Louis C. K.
 
2014-01-03 10:10:23 AM
Alcohol is already standardized; in the U.S. you get the same 0.6 ounces of pure alcohol per 12 ounces of beer...

That doesn't sound right.  If it was right, wouldn't all ABV values for all beers be the same?
 
2014-01-03 10:10:27 AM
what is this, europe?  i rarely get a standardized alcoholic drink.
 
2014-01-03 10:11:19 AM
retail alcohol is standardized to make taxation simpler. drtfa but aholes do spend a lot of time worrying about obesity. the fattestcountry is now mexico, so Maybe something in the food has changed, like how the Wheat Nelly dude says about wheat being hybridized. Or hybrid corn, or hfcs...if americans were gonna get fat it shoulda happened in the 1970's...we werent an agrarian country then And there was no shortage of food...so ehat happened?
 
2014-01-03 10:11:22 AM

TheManMythLegend: Alcholal is not standard serves size are they saying when I buy a jack and coke it is always offically measured?


There is some variability, but, yes, more or less. In your specific case a lowball glass is typically about 8-10 ounces.
 
2014-01-03 10:12:06 AM
Sounds like a great way to force people into buying two burgers instead of one.
 
2014-01-03 10:12:11 AM
This is a dumb. I'm all for forcing chain restaurants to put calorie counts on their menus (and have inspectors come around regularly to make sure they're not lying), but how would you regulate standard servings for gumbo vs. filet mignon? Booze comes basically in three types: liquor (1.5 oz is a dose), wine (6 oz.) and beer (12 oz.). Yes, I know, types of booze vary widely in alcohol content, but that's the rule of thumb. Food is infinitely more complicated
 
2014-01-03 10:12:34 AM
Writer has obviously not drank at the Pilot Inn (my dive bar of choice).
 
2014-01-03 10:13:05 AM
Isn't this a repeat? I read it somewhere recently.

I think standardized or regulated serving sizes are stupid, but I actually would appreciate some more info about serving size at most restaurants. Fast food places are pretty clear, but other restaurants, even big chains, really aren't. It might seem like a gauche idea, but it's already very standard practice for quality steaks. And that info plays a huge part of our choices when we get steak. And I always cringe when my wife engages a server in a complicated and ultimately unclear exchange about how big a dish is. If the menu already mentioned "this salad is equivalent to one-fifth of a Rhode Island", I think all of us would be happier.

Regulation is an evil idea because of the assumptions that you'll eat 3+ equivalent meals each day, and the assertion that people don't adjust other meals if they have an unusually big one. I'm sure there are some like that, but we're not even close.
 
2014-01-03 10:13:30 AM

Marcus Aurelius: You should stop eating when you begin to feel full.  That is too complicated for some people, I know.


Some folks have a less sensitive mechanism which tells the brain that information, and then there are folks like my father-in-law who has a sneezing fit when he gets full, making it nigh unto impossible to continue eating.
 
2014-01-03 10:14:30 AM

GanjSmokr: That doesn't sound right. If it was right, wouldn't all ABV values for all beers be the same?


They're not terribly far off. Most of them are between 5% and 7% with some lower, usually commercial light beers, and some higher, typically craft and regional.

Unless you're wildly varying the types and brands of beer you drink, the odds are pretty good most of what you drink is about the same ABV.
 
2014-01-03 10:14:33 AM
since when has standard alcohol sizes prevented people from binging?
 
2014-01-03 10:14:46 AM
The U.S. could go a long way towards fixing the obesity problem with a tax on the producers of products with high-fructose corn syrup and using that to fund health care. The resulting higher prices would discourage consumption of those processed foods or discourage the use of it in processed foods to begin with.
 
2014-01-03 10:14:49 AM
"Someone needs to do something about how fat/drunk I am!!!"
 
2014-01-03 10:14:53 AM
Alcohol comes in specific sized containers because it is a heavily regulated substance due to supposedly moral, but really just cultural, reasons.

Is subby suggesting that we engage into some social engineering and stigmatize food in the same way we do alcohol so that the government is compelled to step in and give people DUIs for being drowsy from carbs and crack down on buffets? Surely that won't result in even worse eating disorders than already exists.
 
2014-01-03 10:15:36 AM
Everywhere I travel, tiny life. Single-serving sugar, single-serving cream, single pat of butter. The microwave Cordon Bleu hobby kit. Shampoo-conditioner combos, sample-packaged mouthwash, tiny bars of soap. The people I meet on each flight? They're single-serving friends.
 
2014-01-03 10:15:41 AM
It's hard to argue with that logic...that's why nobody every drinks too much.
 
2014-01-03 10:16:10 AM
I stop eating when I am no longer hungry (NOT full).  I think there should be standardized packaging just so some people know what a serving should look like.  A serving is not what you get at a restaurant, that is usually closer to two or three.
 
2014-01-03 10:16:18 AM
Why can't we buy plates of normal sizes? I still use passed down from a friend cracked 1970's plates because I can't find normal sized plates to replace them with.

All dinner sets are made for giants these days!

No wonder people are fattys.
 
2014-01-03 10:16:38 AM
Put your fork down between bites, and stop eating when you start feeling full, tubby.
 
2014-01-03 10:16:48 AM

AdamK: since when has standard alcohol sizes prevented people from binging?


That, among other things, is kind of the article's point. Subby's headline implies that the article is in favor of standardizing. It is decidedly not. The article is in favor of better nutritional education for kids from schools and parents so that the kids no, without having someone else measure it, how to eat properly as a matter of course.
 
2014-01-03 10:17:07 AM

TheManMythLegend: Alcholal is not standard serves size are they saying when I buy a jack and coke it is always offically measured?


If the bar is using optical measures, yes.
Also pour lines on beer glasses.
 
2014-01-03 10:17:34 AM

muwaryer: It's hard to argue with that logic...that's why nobody every drinks too much.


Doh!  FTFM.
 
2014-01-03 10:17:39 AM
So just like I do with standard sizes of Alcohol, they'll just buy more than one.
 
2014-01-03 10:18:37 AM

TheSwissNavy: retail alcohol is standardized to make taxation simpler. drtfa but aholes do spend a lot of time worrying about obesity. the fattestcountry is now mexico, so Maybe something in the food has changed, like how the Wheat Nelly dude says about wheat being hybridized. Or hybrid corn, or hfcs...if americans were gonna get fat it shoulda happened in the 1970's...we werent an agrarian country then And there was no shortage of food...so ehat happened?


Food is much cheaper than in the 1970s, and far fewer people cook at home because wages have stagnated while health care, finance and education costs have gone way up, meaning people have to work longer hours for the same lifestyle. Restaurants figured out that bigger portions means higher profit, because people will pay more for bigger portions, while fixed costs don't go up (ingredients are a fraction of the cost of a meal). So a "normal" portion of food now is about 50 percent bigger than it was in the 1970s. People are group animals who are genetically wired to do what the other humans in the group are doing, so they eat everything on their plate, and get fat.

Meanwhile, more people work in cube farms talking on the phone, rather than slinging metal slabs around a factory, and more people watch TV at night rather than play sports in the early evening (again, because more working hours and TV has gotten much more entertaining, along with the Internet and video games).

Anyone can choose not to get fat by having some discipline about food and exercise, but MOST people won't do that because it's iconoclastic behavior, given the established normality of overeating and sedentary work/entertainment.
 
2014-01-03 10:19:08 AM
Idiot. Food *IS* sold in standard sizes and portions. You buy a pound of flour, or a pound of sugar, or 8 oz of butter, or a dozen eggs, or a quarter pound of sliced ham, etc. A birthday cake and a Long Island Iced tea will be different SIZES though.

Also, almost every packaged food sold in America has a serving size printed on the packaging.

But more to the point, SIZE or WEIGHT is a dumbfark retarded way to regulate food intake.
 
2014-01-03 10:21:52 AM
Except that beer is only 12oz when in cans or bottles; a standard pint is 16oz. Also, beers can vary from <4% ABV to >7% (sometimes a lot greater). Wine is often sold by the entire bottle, which the waiter - gasp - just leaves on your table, and generally just refills your glass when it gets low.  Wine also can vary from ~9% to ~15% ABV.  Liquor is a bit more standardized, but many whiskys are 90 or 100 proof, and most of those flavored things are less than the normal 80 proof.

Point being, alcohol isn't nearly as standardized as the author would have us believe. Food is way more complicated, so how exactly would this work?
 
2014-01-03 10:23:42 AM
Since when has alcohol come in standard sizes (unless you count the ounce/liter designation as a "size")? I worked a liquor store back in the day ( the 80's), we had 4 ounce, 6 ounce, 7.5 ounce, 12 ounce, 16 ounce, 24 ounce, 64 ounce, pints/half-pints, quarts, gallons, liters, half liters, 3/4 liters, 1.5 liters...  practically every combo possible, you could probably find on our shelves.
 
2014-01-03 10:23:48 AM
you get the same 0.6 ounces of pure alcohol per 12 ounces of beer, 5 ounces of wine, or 1.5 ounce shot

No. No, you don't.
 
2014-01-03 10:23:51 AM
Serves One

www.liquorlockerla.com
 
2014-01-03 10:24:33 AM

Marcus Aurelius: You should stop eating when you begin to feel full.  That is too complicated for some people, I know.


It is, because people are stupid.

First of all, Americans seems to be eating at restaurents constantly. Maybe because its cheap (low, low, wages for staff). And secondly they seem to be judging the value of their meals by the portion size, "this restaurent is awesome, the portions are so large". Obviously if you don't eat your huge portion, then you haven't gotten your money worth.

And then buffets. If you pay X for all you can eat, well, then you're damn well going to eat so much that you can barely walk out of there, because that's how you maximise the value.

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Most of the above is just basic human nature. The somewhat unique American thing seems to be eating at fastfood and restaurents constantly.

A wild guess is that the fat people are mainly those, and not people that just farking make their own food like "normal" people.
 
2014-01-03 10:26:37 AM
Stopped reading here:  Alcohol is already standardized; in the U.S. you get the same 0.6 ounces of pure alcohol per 12 ounces of beer, 5 ounces of wine, or 1.5 ounce shot, which supposedly makes it easier for a person to assess how much they've drunk and limit themselves accordingly.

Um, no? 12 ounces of 10% ABV beer is going to have twice the pure alcohol of a 5% ABV beer. Similarly, 120 proof liquor has twice the alcohol of something that's 60 proof.
 
2014-01-03 10:27:16 AM

kronicfeld: Hm, yes, true, drinking 375 mL of Bailey's is exactly the same as drinking 375 mL of rye whiskey. It is a good point that you make.


I have the impression she meant at a bar. Ie. when you order a Bailey you'd get more volume than if you ordered a whiskey shot, but the alcohol content would be the same.

I don't know if that's actually true. But I think thats what she meant.
 
2014-01-03 10:29:24 AM
My wife and I were eating at a restaurant while commenting on portion sizes. We usually either end up splitting an entree, or taking home enough for another meal. She also commented on how people will eat an appetizer, the huge entree, and a dessert, and will have to sit for like an hour afterwards because moving "gives them heartburn." As she said "It's not heartburn, it's food that cant fit in your stomach, so when you movie it all comes back up the pipe."

A good rule of thumb anymore is unless you're at a place that specializes in half portions, cut whatever you order in half, as more than likely, that's going to be more than enough for 1 serving.
 
2014-01-03 10:29:38 AM
This is pointless. Most fatties are in denial as to why they are fat (genetics, "thyroid issues", etc) so they'll just write this off as "fat shaming"
 
2014-01-03 10:29:56 AM

spawn73: kronicfeld: Hm, yes, true, drinking 375 mL of Bailey's is exactly the same as drinking 375 mL of rye whiskey. It is a good point that you make.

I have the impression she meant at a bar. Ie. when you order a Bailey you'd get more volume than if you ordered a whiskey shot, but the alcohol content would be the same.

I don't know if that's actually true. But I think thats what she meant.


Who drinks just Baileys? That's a mixer. There's about the same amount of alcohol content in a White Russian as in a rye and soda.
 
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