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(LA Times)   CA mandates that illegal immigrants, shining examples of abiding by the law, be issued a license to practice it. 1st beneficiary of the new law snuck in at 17 and faked papers. Bonus: not one instance of the word "illegal" in the article or headline   (latimes.com) divider line 228
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2014-01-03 01:49:28 PM
Ah yes, America.  Where crossing the border illegally makes you a horrible criminal who should be immediately deported, but raping a co-ed means you should get a second chance and killing 4 people because you were driving drunk gets you community service.
 
2014-01-03 01:55:10 PM

Corvus: Zeb Hesselgresser: Corvus: Hey subby can we start calling people who don't pay their taxes "Illegals" too? What they are doing is "illegal" too. Or this label only applies to foreigners?

can we just call them all criminals?

I wouldn't call a kid brought into the Untied States by his parent's "criminal"


Good point, neither would I.
 
2014-01-03 01:58:34 PM
**grabs popcorn.  

I also went through this system.  Parents immigrated here legally and brought me to this country when I was 2 years old.... took me 30 years to get my citizenship. In the meantime also used my time wisely and enlisted in USMC, much of which I was deployed overseas. After my enlistment ended went to school got my BS in engineering.

Its more of the same argument... I got mine already why should you get yours.

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2014-01-03 02:34:24 PM

The_Sponge: NewportBarGuy: As a descendent of Irish immigrants, go f*ck yourself, hillbilly.

Did they come over here legally or illegally?


Does it really matter? they were treated like sh*t no matter how they got here.
 
2014-01-03 02:39:11 PM

NewportBarGuy: The_Sponge: NewportBarGuy: As a descendent of Irish immigrants, go f*ck yourself, hillbilly.

Did they come over here legally or illegally?

Does it really matter? they were treated like sh*t no matter how they got here.



It does matter, because if they came over legally, it's a shame that you would support people who are essentially "cutting in line".

/Grandparents and Dad came over legally.
//And if you want to get all emo about how the Irish were treated, let me remind you that those of us with Slavic last names were not exactly welcomed into country clubs.
 
2014-01-03 02:50:42 PM

Muta: Can a 17 month old child be held responsible for breaking a law?


In fairness, some of those babies are just dicks sometimes.

/don't know what their problem is
 
2014-01-03 02:51:51 PM

The_Sponge: NewportBarGuy: The_Sponge: NewportBarGuy: As a descendent of Irish immigrants, go f*ck yourself, hillbilly.

Did they come over here legally or illegally?

Does it really matter? they were treated like sh*t no matter how they got here.


It does matter, because if they came over legally, it's a shame that you would support people who are essentially "cutting in line".

/Grandparents and Dad came over legally.
//And if you want to get all emo about how the Irish were treated, let me remind you that those of us with Slavic last names were not exactly welcomed into country clubs.


Remember, right and wrong is determined by law, and not by the harm done by actions.  That's why Hitler killing the Jews was okay, because the Jews were illegal.  If you can't fault them on the nature of their actions, rather than the letter of the law, then the problem lies with you and the law, not with the "illegals".
 
2014-01-03 02:53:25 PM

Mr_Fabulous: Muta: Can a 17 month old child be held responsible for breaking a law?

In fairness, some of those babies are just dicks sometimes.

/don't know what their problem is


Malicious gurgling and resisting a rest. Lock him up!
 
2014-01-03 02:57:36 PM

ikanreed: The_Sponge: NewportBarGuy: The_Sponge: NewportBarGuy: As a descendent of Irish immigrants, go f*ck yourself, hillbilly.

Did they come over here legally or illegally?

Does it really matter? they were treated like sh*t no matter how they got here.


It does matter, because if they came over legally, it's a shame that you would support people who are essentially "cutting in line".

/Grandparents and Dad came over legally.
//And if you want to get all emo about how the Irish were treated, let me remind you that those of us with Slavic last names were not exactly welcomed into country clubs.

Remember, right and wrong is determined by law, and not by the harm done by actions.  That's why Hitler killing the Jews was okay, because the Jews were illegal.  If you can't fault them on the nature of their actions, rather than the letter of the law, then the problem lies with you and the law, not with the "illegals".


It figures that the dumbest post in the thread would also be a Godwin.
 
2014-01-03 03:19:34 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: jjorsett: 1) Is there any right enjoyed by citizens that should be denied to non-citizens, particularly those who are in violation of the law by being here?

2) Should the US have any restrictions whatsoever on immigration, and if so, should they be enforced, and if so, how?

3) Should you ask any more ridiculously pants-on-head leading questions?

No. No, you shouldn't.


Given that those questions are neutral in tone and would be simple to answer, that's a very defensive response. I'm guessing that if you were to be honest, you'd say 1) No and 2) No.
 
2014-01-03 03:20:37 PM

The_Sponge: It does matter, because if they came over legally, it's a shame that you would support people who are essentially "cutting in line".


It doesn't really bother me. Cutting in line is an American tradition, might as well learn it early on. I love that people want to come and work here. I completely understand the plight of people who go the legal route. It takes years and is utterly ridiculous.
 
2014-01-03 03:22:46 PM

I created this alt just for this thread: ikanreed: The_Sponge: NewportBarGuy: The_Sponge: NewportBarGuy: As a descendent of Irish immigrants, go f*ck yourself, hillbilly.

Did they come over here legally or illegally?

Does it really matter? they were treated like sh*t no matter how they got here.


It does matter, because if they came over legally, it's a shame that you would support people who are essentially "cutting in line".

/Grandparents and Dad came over legally.
//And if you want to get all emo about how the Irish were treated, let me remind you that those of us with Slavic last names were not exactly welcomed into country clubs.

Remember, right and wrong is determined by law, and not by the harm done by actions.  That's why Hitler killing the Jews was okay, because the Jews were illegal.  If you can't fault them on the nature of their actions, rather than the letter of the law, then the problem lies with you and the law, not with the "illegals".

It figures that the dumbest post in the thread would also be a Godwin.


Yep, calling "godwin" is always stupid.  Congrats.
 
2014-01-03 03:24:15 PM

Headso: jjorsett: 2) Should the US have any restrictions whatsoever on immigration, and if so, should they be enforced, and if so, how?

As you can see some in the thread think it is more viable to deport millions of people instead of making rich people follow the laws but other than them you'll find few people against the idea of enforcing the laws that make it illegal for companies to hire undocumented workers at slave wages.


Which I take it means if they got paid and treated the same as legal residents many people would be okay with not making any effort to enforce the laws, or even better change the laws to allow anyone in to work who wants to.
 
2014-01-03 03:27:28 PM

jjorsett: UrukHaiGuyz: jjorsett: 1) Is there any right enjoyed by citizens that should be denied to non-citizens, particularly those who are in violation of the law by being here?

2) Should the US have any restrictions whatsoever on immigration, and if so, should they be enforced, and if so, how?

3) Should you ask any more ridiculously pants-on-head leading questions?

No. No, you shouldn't.

Given that those questions are neutral in tone and would be simple to answer, that's a very defensive response. I'm guessing that if you were to be honest, you'd say 1) No and 2) No.


You'd be wrong, but guess away, slugger.
 
2014-01-03 03:37:11 PM

jjorsett: Headso: jjorsett: 2) Should the US have any restrictions whatsoever on immigration, and if so, should they be enforced, and if so, how?

As you can see some in the thread think it is more viable to deport millions of people instead of making rich people follow the laws but other than them you'll find few people against the idea of enforcing the laws that make it illegal for companies to hire undocumented workers at slave wages.

Which I take it means if they got paid and treated the same as legal residents many people would be okay with not making any effort to enforce the laws, or even better change the laws to allow anyone in to work who wants to.


I dare you to find a single post in this or any other thread where someone is seriously advocating zero immigration law/enforcement.

I'll wait.
 
2014-01-03 03:40:11 PM

ikanreed: I created this alt just for this thread: ikanreed: The_Sponge: NewportBarGuy: The_Sponge: NewportBarGuy: As a descendent of Irish immigrants, go f*ck yourself, hillbilly.

Did they come over here legally or illegally?

Does it really matter? they were treated like sh*t no matter how they got here.


It does matter, because if they came over legally, it's a shame that you would support people who are essentially "cutting in line".

/Grandparents and Dad came over legally.
//And if you want to get all emo about how the Irish were treated, let me remind you that those of us with Slavic last names were not exactly welcomed into country clubs.

Remember, right and wrong is determined by law, and not by the harm done by actions.  That's why Hitler killing the Jews was okay, because the Jews were illegal.  If you can't fault them on the nature of their actions, rather than the letter of the law, then the problem lies with you and the law, not with the "illegals".

It figures that the dumbest post in the thread would also be a Godwin.

Yep, calling "godwin" is always stupid.  Congrats.


Did you think up that response on your own or did you get a 5 year-old to help you?
 
2014-01-03 04:17:07 PM
Well, as long as he obeys the laws he agrees with, I guess that's ok.

But how is it ethically permissible to represent clients when you're subject to deportation (at least in theory) at any time?
 
2014-01-03 04:18:23 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: jjorsett: Headso: jjorsett: 2) Should the US have any restrictions whatsoever on immigration, and if so, should they be enforced, and if so, how?

As you can see some in the thread think it is more viable to deport millions of people instead of making rich people follow the laws but other than them you'll find few people against the idea of enforcing the laws that make it illegal for companies to hire undocumented workers at slave wages.

Which I take it means if they got paid and treated the same as legal residents many people would be okay with not making any effort to enforce the laws, or even better change the laws to allow anyone in to work who wants to.

I dare you to find a single post in this or any other thread where someone is seriously advocating zero immigration law/enforcement.

I'll wait.


According to a recent poll,  60 percent of Americans think law enforcement should be allowed to detain illegal immigrants for minor crimes until federal immigration authorities can take custody of them.
 
2014-01-03 04:19:36 PM

Kibbler: THE LAW IS THE LAW.

Except for taxes, Obamacare and red light taxes. In those cases it is our patriotic duty to resist tyranny.


Except for the debt ceiling, of course.
 
2014-01-03 04:29:08 PM
They most certainly can deter crime.  If you don't consider an accidental shooting a crime.
 
2014-01-03 04:29:45 PM
Weird.  Mispost on wrong topic.  I didn't even have this thread up at the time...  apologies!
 
2014-01-03 04:52:17 PM

I created this alt just for this thread: ikanreed: I created this alt just for this thread: ikanreed: The_Sponge: NewportBarGuy: The_Sponge: NewportBarGuy: As a descendent of Irish immigrants, go f*ck yourself, hillbilly.

Did they come over here legally or illegally?

Does it really matter? they were treated like sh*t no matter how they got here.


It does matter, because if they came over legally, it's a shame that you would support people who are essentially "cutting in line".

/Grandparents and Dad came over legally.
//And if you want to get all emo about how the Irish were treated, let me remind you that those of us with Slavic last names were not exactly welcomed into country clubs.

Remember, right and wrong is determined by law, and not by the harm done by actions.  That's why Hitler killing the Jews was okay, because the Jews were illegal.  If you can't fault them on the nature of their actions, rather than the letter of the law, then the problem lies with you and the law, not with the "illegals".

It figures that the dumbest post in the thread would also be a Godwin.

Yep, calling "godwin" is always stupid.  Congrats.

Did you think up that response on your own or did you get a 5 year-old to help you?


No, really, when complaining about posts, all you have to do is not be even dumber, more redundant, and uninteresting.  Turns out to be tricky for the kind of people who disagree with my always correct opinions.
 
2014-01-03 05:13:54 PM

WTF Indeed: Going for the Stromfront/Liberal flamewar clicks, admins?


Hilarious, considering this guy's filibuster history:

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2014-01-03 10:18:33 PM

jjorsett: Headso: jjorsett: 2) Should the US have any restrictions whatsoever on immigration, and if so, should they be enforced, and if so, how?

As you can see some in the thread think it is more viable to deport millions of people instead of making rich people follow the laws but other than them you'll find few people against the idea of enforcing the laws that make it illegal for companies to hire undocumented workers at slave wages.

Which I take it means if they got paid and treated the same as legal residents many people would be okay with not making any effort to enforce the laws, or even better change the laws to allow anyone in to work who wants to.


The fight you have with those who are fine with companies operating illegally and getting preferential treatment over actual human people is not with the left wing that's for sure.
 
2014-01-04 02:04:19 AM
You let convicts earn law degrees and harass the system with nuisance lawsuits, so it seems only fair that so-called "illegal" people should be allowed the same right. Otherwise you have created a class of people who have fewer rights than prisoners or Roman slaves had.

Not that reducing a certain number of classes of people to the status of slaves with no rights is not the long-term object of Jim Crow, the Patriot Act One and Two, and anti-14th Amendment propaganda, but hey, I'm just saying.
 
2014-01-04 04:37:26 AM
Seems like a pretty simple case:

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS
SEC. 8. A person may not be disqualified from entering or pursuing a business, profession, vocation, or employment because of sex, race, creed, color, or national or ethnic origin.

Kinda one of the problems I have with this whole "illegal immigrant" biatch-fest: the 14th Amendment guarantees equal protection under the law to all  persons, not just citizens. The Privileges and Immunities clause notwithstanding, denying "illegal" immigrants the right to work as a class is a violation of that amendment.
 
2014-01-04 06:22:59 AM
He has the license to practice law, but whether or not he can actually legally do so is still up in the air

In its ruling, the court said there was no disputing that Garcia could practice law free of charge and outside the U.S. But, the justices noted, there was disagreement about whether someone like Garcia legally could work as an independent contractor and charge fees.

The U.S. Justice Department has said that would not be allowed. The State Bar has said it was permissible. The court did not rule on the question Thursday.
 
2014-01-04 06:48:00 AM

rzrwiresunrise: Seems like a pretty simple case:

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS
SEC. 8. A person may not be disqualified from entering or pursuing a business, profession, vocation, or employment because of sex, race, creed, color, or national or ethnic origin.

Kinda one of the problems I have with this whole "illegal immigrant" biatch-fest: the 14th Amendment guarantees equal protection under the law to all  persons, not just citizens. The Privileges and Immunities clause notwithstanding, denying "illegal" immigrants the right to work as a class is a violation of that amendment.


They're not being denied based on their race or country of origin, they're being denied based on their lack of legal standing to be in this country. "Criminal" isn't a protected class, and the law is allowed to disqualify them from any number of things.

The 14th amendment says "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

It only applies to states, not the federal government. So you're right that states can't do a lot of things to them (see
Plyer v Doe) but the Federal Government is allowed free reign do create laws that discriminate against them by denying them jobs. If it wasn't, don't you think the many laws that do just that would have been declared unconstitutional by now?
 
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