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(LA Times)   CA mandates that illegal immigrants, shining examples of abiding by the law, be issued a license to practice it. 1st beneficiary of the new law snuck in at 17 and faked papers. Bonus: not one instance of the word "illegal" in the article or headline   (latimes.com) divider line 228
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2014-01-03 10:06:39 AM  

KIA: qorkfiend: Is there some reason that law licenses should be restricted to citizens only?

There does seem to be a general consensus that if you're going to be an officer of the court and sworn to uphold the law, you ought not to be in violation of it and have a history of deliberately flouting the law.


So you're saying we're going to have to fire the 90% of people in law since most of them have gotten a civil citation or misdemeanor at some point in life?

Gotta love Black and White world views.  Especially from racists with 1/10 the education of the people they're attacking./
 
2014-01-03 10:07:07 AM  

Schrodinger's Basement Cat: KIA: qorkfiend: Is there some reason that law licenses should be restricted to citizens only?

There does seem to be a general consensus that if you're going to be an officer of the court and sworn to uphold the law, you ought not to be in violation of it and have a history of deliberately flouting the law.

I know people who have served time in jail for violating the law (DWI, for instance) and currently practice law.


Hell, you can be President or Vice-President with that kind of record.
 
2014-01-03 10:07:13 AM  

edmo: What a bunch of BS. A guy with a pending green card application is anthing but "undomented."


Undocumented Immigrant - A foreign-born person who lacks a right to be in the United States, having either entered without inspection (and not subsequently obtained any right to remain) or stayed beyond the expiration date of a visa or other status.

So per the cite, if you submitted an application while still having a valid unexpired visa, you are not undocumented. If you stay past the expiration point and have no other status given to you, legally you are undocumented. An "illegal immigrant" is a description and not a legal term.
 
2014-01-03 10:07:50 AM  

edmo: What a bunch of BS. A guy with a pending green card application is anthing but "undomented."


The guy in question in the son of an American citizen and applied 19 years ago for a visa as a child.
 
2014-01-03 10:09:59 AM  
I've gotten away with breaking a few laws in my day, yet nobody ever calls me an Illegal Citizen.

We should build a big wall/fence around the whole country so that the rest of the world can see how freedom is done.
 
2014-01-03 10:11:40 AM  

Ned Stark: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Ned Stark: The immigration debate is weird. Suddenly small gubmint conservatives are up in arms demanding that all paperwork filled out and filed in triplicate and liberals don't think the state should have authority to regulate its own borders.

Shiat don't make sense y'all.

Nice strawman.

You can't make the uncharitable assumption every time. People will start to think you're an asshole.


Considering that no liberal ever has suggested that the government shouldn't have the authority to regulate its own borders, it's hardly an assumption, uncharitable or otherwise, that you're making shiat up.
 
2014-01-03 10:14:41 AM  
Suck my fat white cock subby. I'm sure you are 100% native american.
 
2014-01-03 10:18:59 AM  

qorkfiend: Yeah, waiting nearly 20 years for a green card (Garcia's petition was accepted by the government in 1995) sounds totally reasonable.


Yeah, because one outlier case is indicative of what everyone else has to go through.

/rolls eyes
 
2014-01-03 10:20:25 AM  

Wolf_Blitzer: KIA: qorkfiend: Is there some reason that law licenses should be restricted to citizens only?

There does seem to be a general consensus that if you're going to be an officer of the court and sworn to uphold the law, you ought not to be in violation of it and have a history of deliberately flouting the law.

Looks like we found derpmitter.


BOO THIS MAN!!!
 
2014-01-03 10:21:59 AM  

Epic Fap Session: I've gotten away with breaking a few laws in my day, yet nobody ever calls me an Illegal Citizen.

We should build a big wall/fence around the whole country so that the rest of the world can see how freedom is done.


You laugh now, but when Rob Ford's army of Canadian crack zombies descends upon us that wall's gonna look pretty good, my friend.
 
2014-01-03 10:23:02 AM  

Ned Stark: The immigration debate is weird. Suddenly small gubmint conservatives are up in arms demanding that all paperwork filled out and filed in triplicate and liberals don't think the state should have authority to regulate its own borders.

Shiat don't make sense y'all.


And lets not forget the downward pressure that immigration (illegal and otherwise) places on working class wages.

Seems to me a good way to raise the market wage for lawful US working class residents (something liberals would like) would be to deport the illegals (something conservatives would like but liberals oppose).

/foreign born individuals make up approx 12% of us population now, up from just over 4% in 1970.
//not really relevant to TFA
 
2014-01-03 10:23:23 AM  

Pokey.Clyde: qorkfiend: Yeah, waiting nearly 20 years for a green card (Garcia's petition was accepted by the government in 1995) sounds totally reasonable.

Yeah, because one outlier case is indicative of what everyone else has to go through.

/rolls eyes


Yeah, because oversimplistic generalizations are entirely indicative of what everyone has to go through.

/rolls eyes
 
2014-01-03 10:24:50 AM  

crab66: Suck my fat white cock subby. I'm sure you are 100% native american.


You're quite the ladies' man, you silver tongued fool.
 
2014-01-03 10:25:38 AM  

Epic Fap Session: I've gotten away with breaking a few laws in my day, yet nobody ever calls me an Illegal Citizen.

We should build a big wall/fence around the whole country so that the rest of the world can see how freedom is done.


And they'd still be scaling over/digging under the wall to get in here, wouldn't they?
 
2014-01-03 10:26:04 AM  

Pokey.Clyde: GoldSpider: Precisely. People don't understand that they would have a more compelling argument against illegal aliens if the naturalization process was made more reasonable.

More reasonable? You do realize that the U.S. is the easiest place in the world to legally immigrate to, don't you?


You quite literally have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, do you?

I went through that immigration system...
 
2014-01-03 10:28:27 AM  

Pokey.Clyde: qorkfiend: Yeah, waiting nearly 20 years for a green card (Garcia's petition was accepted by the government in 1995) sounds totally reasonable.

Yeah, because one outlier case is indicative of what everyone else has to go through.

/rolls eyes


It takes 6-28 years, so 18 years is hardly an outlier.
 
2014-01-03 10:28:32 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Seems to me a good way to raise the market wage for lawful US working class residents (something liberals would like) would be to deport the illegals (something conservatives would like but liberals oppose).


This is kinda dumb for two reasons.

1. Deportations are at record highs under the current administration.
2. Raising minimum wage is the fastest, simplest, and most pragmatic way to raise wages.
 
2014-01-03 10:32:08 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Seems to me a good way to raise the market wage for lawful US working class residents (something liberals would like) would be to deport the illegals (something conservatives would like but liberals oppose).


Yup, clever conspiracy from the Democrats.  Bring more illegals in to work for slave wages.  Mandate untenable wages for legals, thus creating pressure on businesses to hire illegals instead.  Basically the same con they've been running since 1861
 
2014-01-03 10:32:53 AM  

Schrodinger's Basement Cat: KIA: qorkfiend: Is there some reason that law licenses should be restricted to citizens only?

There does seem to be a general consensus that if you're going to be an officer of the court and sworn to uphold the law, you ought not to be in violation of it and have a history of deliberately flouting the law.

I know people who have served time in jail for violating the law (DWI, for instance) and currently practice law.


What SBC said. I know people who routinely break the speed limit and currently practice law. We should strip them off their driver's license and make them go to the back of the line for a new one!

If the ONE LAW that somebody has broken is that they crossed the border without filling out the necessary paperwork... well, I promise you that probably 80% of the people currently practicing law, presiding over courts, or otherwise working in the court system have done things that are at least as unethical or immoral. How many times does it need to be said that being an "illegal alien" is a crime against bureaucracy. It's about as victimless a crime as it is conceivably possible to commit.
 
2014-01-03 10:32:57 AM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Debeo Summa Credo: Seems to me a good way to raise the market wage for lawful US working class residents (something liberals would like) would be to deport the illegals (something conservatives would like but liberals oppose).

This is kinda dumb for two reasons.

1. Deportations are at record highs under the current administration.
2. Raising minimum wage is the fastest, simplest, and most pragmatic way to raise wages.


1). We still have triple the percentage of foreign born residents than we did in 1970. Current deportations increasing is great and all, but irrelevant to the fact that more immigrants = lower wages.
2). Nope. It might be fast but it certainly isn't pragmatic. Deadweight loss FTL.
 
2014-01-03 10:33:43 AM  

serial_crusher: Debeo Summa Credo: Seems to me a good way to raise the market wage for lawful US working class residents (something liberals would like) would be to deport the illegals (something conservatives would like but liberals oppose).

Yup, clever conspiracy from the Democrats.  Bring more illegals in to work for slave wages.  Mandate untenable wages for legals, thus creating pressure on businesses to hire illegals instead.  Basically the same con they've been running since 1861


Are we deliberately ignoring the fact that deportations are at a record high under this administration?

Also, lol @ "untenable wages".
 
2014-01-03 10:33:53 AM  

czetie: Pokey.Clyde: GoldSpider: Precisely. People don't understand that they would have a more compelling argument against illegal aliens if the naturalization process was made more reasonable.

More reasonable? You do realize that the U.S. is the easiest place in the world to legally immigrate to, don't you?

You quite literally have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, do you?

I went through that immigration system...



You wear it well.
 
2014-01-03 10:34:37 AM  

Wyalt Derp: Never in the field of human butthurt has so much butt been so hurt so much.



What about that one time?
 
2014-01-03 10:36:33 AM  

serial_crusher: Debeo Summa Credo: Seems to me a good way to raise the market wage for lawful US working class residents (something liberals would like) would be to deport the illegals (something conservatives would like but liberals oppose).

Yup, clever conspiracy from the Democrats.  Bring more illegals in to work for slave wages.  Mandate untenable wages for legals, thus creating pressure on businesses to hire illegals instead.  Basically the same con they've been running since 1861


Not a conspiracy. Just conflicting goals I'd say. The opposition to deportation since the 1970s has contributed to the perceived stagnancy of working class wages since that time.
 
2014-01-03 10:38:13 AM  

qorkfiend: serial_crusher: Debeo Summa Credo: Seems to me a good way to raise the market wage for lawful US working class residents (something liberals would like) would be to deport the illegals (something conservatives would like but liberals oppose).

Yup, clever conspiracy from the Democrats.  Bring more illegals in to work for slave wages.  Mandate untenable wages for legals, thus creating pressure on businesses to hire illegals instead.  Basically the same con they've been running since 1861

Are we deliberately ignoring the fact that deportations are at a record high under this administration?

Also, lol @ "untenable wages".



Yeah, but he still blames Bush.
 
2014-01-03 10:38:18 AM  

qorkfiend: serial_crusher: Debeo Summa Credo: Seems to me a good way to raise the market wage for lawful US working class residents (something liberals would like) would be to deport the illegals (something conservatives would like but liberals oppose).

Yup, clever conspiracy from the Democrats.  Bring more illegals in to work for slave wages.  Mandate untenable wages for legals, thus creating pressure on businesses to hire illegals instead.  Basically the same con they've been running since 1861

Are we deliberately ignoring the fact that deportations are at a record high under this administration?

Also, lol @ "untenable wages".


That's terrific. Lets keep it up and expand on it. The more we do that, market wages for working class Americans will improve.
 
2014-01-03 10:39:01 AM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: wellreadneck: NewportBarGuy: As a descendent of Irish immigrants, go f*ck yourself, hillbilly.

I'll hire the wetback attorney who fought to get and stay here over Harvard boy any day of the week.

Why? He'll actually give a f*ck about my case and not rape me over the price.

As a descendant of  the immigrants now disparaged with "hillbilly", go f*ck yourself, mick.

So you dont like the irish huh? double f*ck you. How many generations inbred are you anyways?



I didn't realize we were in the presence of European Royalty.

/Family tree: bonsai
 
2014-01-03 10:39:38 AM  

qorkfiend: serial_crusher: Debeo Summa Credo: Seems to me a good way to raise the market wage for lawful US working class residents (something liberals would like) would be to deport the illegals (something conservatives would like but liberals oppose).

Yup, clever conspiracy from the Democrats.  Bring more illegals in to work for slave wages.  Mandate untenable wages for legals, thus creating pressure on businesses to hire illegals instead.  Basically the same con they've been running since 1861

Are we deliberately ignoring the fact that deportations are at a record high under this administration?

Also, lol @ "untenable wages".


I'm confident that if we looked at the number of unique individuals being deported, it would be the same as previous years.  It's the same guys getting deported and just turning around and heading right back.  They have to pay off a coyote each time, who has a connection to the drug cartels, who in turn bribe Democratic politicians in favor of marijuana legalization.  Duh.
 
2014-01-03 10:41:06 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Seems to me a good way to raise the market wage for lawful US working class residents (something liberals would like) would be to deport the illegals (something conservatives would like but liberals oppose).


shocker, the oligarch defender friends want to spend taxpayer money on nothing that will help middle class and poor people but suddenly can find the hundreds of billions for law enforcement and the court system to deport millions of people.
 
2014-01-03 10:42:04 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: qorkfiend: serial_crusher: Debeo Summa Credo: Seems to me a good way to raise the market wage for lawful US working class residents (something liberals would like) would be to deport the illegals (something conservatives would like but liberals oppose).

Yup, clever conspiracy from the Democrats.  Bring more illegals in to work for slave wages.  Mandate untenable wages for legals, thus creating pressure on businesses to hire illegals instead.  Basically the same con they've been running since 1861

Are we deliberately ignoring the fact that deportations are at a record high under this administration?

Also, lol @ "untenable wages".

That's terrific. Lets keep it up and expand on it. The more we do that, market wages for working class Americans will improve.


Most certainly. Could we couple it with greater enforcement of current labor law so that it's no longer cheap or easy to hire immigrants at rock-bottom wages, thereby removing the reason most undocumented immigrants to come here in the first place? Attacking the problem from both sides, as it were.
 
2014-01-03 10:42:59 AM  
I'd ask if this guy took Subby's "jerb", but it's clear that Subby doesn't possess the mental capacity to practice law.
 
2014-01-03 10:43:11 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: UrukHaiGuyz: Debeo Summa Credo: Seems to me a good way to raise the market wage for lawful US working class residents (something liberals would like) would be to deport the illegals (something conservatives would like but liberals oppose).

This is kinda dumb for two reasons.

1. Deportations are at record highs under the current administration.
2. Raising minimum wage is the fastest, simplest, and most pragmatic way to raise wages.

1). We still have triple the percentage of foreign born residents than we did in 1970. Current deportations increasing is great and all, but irrelevant to the fact that more immigrants = lower wages.


That's one (relatively insignificant) factor in how wages are determined. If we're seeing more deportation, why aren't wages going up correspondingly? The fact is, many employers only pay the mandated minimum, especially in a depressed job market.

Are you sure the higher percentage isn't just a function of lower U.S. birthrates?

2). Nope. It might be fast but it certainly isn't pragmatic. Deadweight loss FTL.

Any deadweight loss would be immediately outweighed by increased consumer demand.  With current record profits and anemic demand, combined with historically high income inequality, it's pretty obvious that wages are lower than they should be. The current status quo is unsustainable.
 
2014-01-03 10:43:19 AM  

serial_crusher: qorkfiend: serial_crusher: Debeo Summa Credo: Seems to me a good way to raise the market wage for lawful US working class residents (something liberals would like) would be to deport the illegals (something conservatives would like but liberals oppose).

Yup, clever conspiracy from the Democrats.  Bring more illegals in to work for slave wages.  Mandate untenable wages for legals, thus creating pressure on businesses to hire illegals instead.  Basically the same con they've been running since 1861

Are we deliberately ignoring the fact that deportations are at a record high under this administration?

Also, lol @ "untenable wages".

I'm confident that if we looked at the number of unique individuals being deported, it would be the same as previous years.  It's the same guys getting deported and just turning around and heading right back.  They have to pay off a coyote each time, who has a connection to the drug cartels, who in turn bribe Democratic politicians in favor of marijuana legalization.  Duh.


Good to know that your confidence is a suitable replacement for, you know, actual data.
 
2014-01-03 10:43:41 AM  
Natural born citizen:

cdn3-www.craveonline.com
 
2014-01-03 10:44:40 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: serial_crusher: Debeo Summa Credo: Seems to me a good way to raise the market wage for lawful US working class residents (something liberals would like) would be to deport the illegals (something conservatives would like but liberals oppose).

Yup, clever conspiracy from the Democrats.  Bring more illegals in to work for slave wages.  Mandate untenable wages for legals, thus creating pressure on businesses to hire illegals instead.  Basically the same con they've been running since 1861

Not a conspiracy. Just conflicting goals I'd say. The opposition to deportation since the 1970s has contributed to the perceived stagnancy of working class wages since that time.


Really? Nothing else could have an effect, huh? I'd like to see your research, and how you handled other externalities. Because I suspect that, as usual, you are a liar/idiot.
 
2014-01-03 10:48:57 AM  

Gordon Bennett: People aren't illegal, you racist coont.



His presence in the United States is a violation of Federal immigration law.
He should be deported.
 
2014-01-03 10:49:03 AM  

tricycleracer: I'd ask if this guy took Subby's "jerb", but it's clear that Subby doesn't possess the mental capacity to practice law.

 
2014-01-03 10:50:13 AM  

GoldSpider: Chaide: tl;dr: Beureaucrats are slow, therefore we should deport the brown people.

Precisely.  People don't understand that they would have a more compelling argument against illegal aliens if the naturalization process was made more reasonable.


Exactly! It could even be a source of revenue, or, at least, cover costs. People already pay smugglers and other nefarious types to get in, they might as well pay the government instead.
 
2014-01-03 10:50:32 AM  

qorkfiend: Debeo Summa Credo: qorkfiend: serial_crusher: Debeo Summa Credo: Seems to me a good way to raise the market wage for lawful US working class residents (something liberals would like) would be to deport the illegals (something conservatives would like but liberals oppose).

Yup, clever conspiracy from the Democrats.  Bring more illegals in to work for slave wages.  Mandate untenable wages for legals, thus creating pressure on businesses to hire illegals instead.  Basically the same con they've been running since 1861

Are we deliberately ignoring the fact that deportations are at a record high under this administration?

Also, lol @ "untenable wages".

That's terrific. Lets keep it up and expand on it. The more we do that, market wages for working class Americans will improve.

Most certainly. Could we couple it with greater enforcement of current labor law so that it's no longer cheap or easy to hire immigrants at rock-bottom wages, thereby removing the reason most undocumented immigrants to come here in the first place? Attacking the problem from both sides, as it were.


Oh yes, absolutely. In fact your proposal is probably a lot more pragmatic and implementable.

Tougher enforcement/higher penalties for employers using illegal labor would be effective IMO, and fair.

If we have to pay more for strawberries and nannies, etc., then so be it.
 
2014-01-03 10:52:25 AM  
without reading all the posts...


I'm with subby. They are VIOLATING A FEDERAL LAW AND BEING REWARDED FOR IT. Meanwhile I have to pay a 50$ parking ticket because California never mailed me my new licenses plates. Where are my advocates?

Change the law and I'm happy. The laws are no different in any other first world country. Try waltzing into Germany without papers.
 
2014-01-03 10:54:15 AM  

Pokey.Clyde: GoldSpider: Precisely. People don't understand that they would have a more compelling argument against illegal aliens if the naturalization process was made more reasonable.

More reasonable? You do realize that the U.S. is the easiest place in the world to legally immigrate to, don't you?


You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
 
2014-01-03 10:54:31 AM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Debeo Summa Credo: serial_crusher: Debeo Summa Credo: Seems to me a good way to raise the market wage for lawful US working class residents (something liberals would like) would be to deport the illegals (something conservatives would like but liberals oppose).

Yup, clever conspiracy from the Democrats.  Bring more illegals in to work for slave wages.  Mandate untenable wages for legals, thus creating pressure on businesses to hire illegals instead.  Basically the same con they've been running since 1861

Not a conspiracy. Just conflicting goals I'd say. The opposition to deportation since the 1970s has contributed to the perceived stagnancy of working class wages since that time.

Really? Nothing else could have an effect, huh? I'd like to see your research, and how you handled other externalities. Because I suspect that, as usual, you are a liar/idiot.


There are other externalities, of course. The fact that previously undeveloped nations have turned from subsistence farming backwaters to indistrialization is one of those externalities, that also affected working class wages in the US.

But if you don't think the increase in the proportion of non-US born residents hasn't had a material effect on working class wages, then it is you who is the liar/idiot.
 
2014-01-03 10:56:27 AM  

ToastTheRabbit: without reading all the posts...


I'm with subby. They are VIOLATING A FEDERAL LAW AND BEING REWARDED FOR IT. Meanwhile I have to pay a 50$ parking ticket because California never mailed me my new licenses plates. Where are my advocates?

Change the law and I'm happy. The laws are no different in any other first world country. Try waltzing into Germany without papers.


Are you being denied work because your car is illegal?
 
2014-01-03 10:56:30 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Debeo Summa Credo: serial_crusher: Debeo Summa Credo: Seems to me a good way to raise the market wage for lawful US working class residents (something liberals would like) would be to deport the illegals (something conservatives would like but liberals oppose).

Yup, clever conspiracy from the Democrats.  Bring more illegals in to work for slave wages.  Mandate untenable wages for legals, thus creating pressure on businesses to hire illegals instead.  Basically the same con they've been running since 1861

Not a conspiracy. Just conflicting goals I'd say. The opposition to deportation since the 1970s has contributed to the perceived stagnancy of working class wages since that time.

Really? Nothing else could have an effect, huh? I'd like to see your research, and how you handled other externalities. Because I suspect that, as usual, you are a liar/idiot.

There are other externalities, of course. The fact that previously undeveloped nations have turned from subsistence farming backwaters to indistrialization is one of those externalities, that also affected working class wages in the US.

But if you don't think the increase in the proportion of non-US born residents hasn't had a material effect on working class wages, then it is you who is the liar/idiot.


In that case it should be pretty simple for you to cite a credible source on the subject, yes? You're really fixated on this one (small) factor, but you've provided no evidence other than your opinion that it is a significant piece of the puzzle.
 
2014-01-03 10:58:56 AM  

karnal: qorkfiend: serial_crusher: Debeo Summa Credo: Seems to me a good way to raise the market wage for lawful US working class residents (something liberals would like) would be to deport the illegals (something conservatives would like but liberals oppose).

Yup, clever conspiracy from the Democrats.  Bring more illegals in to work for slave wages.  Mandate untenable wages for legals, thus creating pressure on businesses to hire illegals instead.  Basically the same con they've been running since 1861

Are we deliberately ignoring the fact that deportations are at a record high under this administration?

Also, lol @ "untenable wages".


Yeah, but he still blames Bush.


uhhh... actually deportations are at an all time low for citizens who have made it to america... Border Patrol deportations are up massively due to enforcement which is what everyone asked for. secure borders and immigration reform for those already here and established.
 
2014-01-03 11:00:12 AM  

ToastTheRabbit: Meanwhile I have to pay a 50$ parking ticket because California never mailed me my new licenses plates. Where are my advocates?


I hear there's this new lawyer in CA.  You can hire him.
 
2014-01-03 11:00:42 AM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Pokey.Clyde: GoldSpider: Precisely. People don't understand that they would have a more compelling argument against illegal aliens if the naturalization process was made more reasonable.

More reasonable? You do realize that the U.S. is the easiest place in the world to legally immigrate to, don't you?

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.


The U.S. has been #1 for several years when it comes to immigrant population. We lead the nearest competition by 34,000,000.
 
2014-01-03 11:02:42 AM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Pokey.Clyde: GoldSpider: Precisely. People don't understand that they would have a more compelling argument against illegal aliens if the naturalization process was made more reasonable.

More reasonable? You do realize that the U.S. is the easiest place in the world to legally immigrate to, don't you?

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.


Shhhhhhhhh....We need the comic relief of comments like this. Thousands of dollars, years of waiting, interviews, tests, health exams versus........be a Jew?

Under Israeli law, all Jews have the right to return to Israel. Prospective immigrants apply to the Jewish Agency in their current country to receive visas and immigration status before coming to Israel. Once in Israel, the government grants them special privileges.
 
2014-01-03 11:02:52 AM  

ToastTheRabbit: actually deportations are at an all time low for citizens who have made it to america


I should hope we're not deporting our own citizens!
 
2014-01-03 11:04:04 AM  

Turbo Cojones: Under Israeli law, all Jews have the right to return to Israel.


unless they're black!
 
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