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(LA Times)   CA mandates that illegal immigrants, shining examples of abiding by the law, be issued a license to practice it. 1st beneficiary of the new law snuck in at 17 and faked papers. Bonus: not one instance of the word "illegal" in the article or headline   (latimes.com) divider line 228
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2014-01-03 08:36:36 AM
It seems subby is full of envy this morning.  Having to look on someone who loved freedom so much that against all odds has done more with less than maybe subby has done their whole life.

History is not on those like subby's side.  This has happened before and they have lost every time.  If subby is a person of faith as I am then they know even God is not on their side.  As the great MLK said, the arch of the moral universe is long but it bends towards justice.  The defeat of the radical right is nigh, I can feel it.  The defeat of the monied oligarchy that has sought to disenfranchise voters and blame the poor for miseries they caused, is nigh.  The American people are about to break the backbone of their power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAYITODNvlM
 
2014-01-03 08:37:37 AM
Never in the field of human butthurt has so much butt been so hurt so much.
 
2014-01-03 08:40:25 AM
Hateful subby is hateful.
 
2014-01-03 08:43:10 AM
I'd rather have illegal Mexicans than teabaggers any day. Illegal Mexicans love America.
 
2014-01-03 08:43:22 AM

KIA: qorkfiend: Is there some reason that law licenses should be restricted to citizens only?

There does seem to be a general consensus that if you're going to be an officer of the court and sworn to uphold the law, you ought not to be in violation of it and have a history of deliberately flouting the law.


Except for the fact that simply being an undocumented immigrant is a civil matter and not technically in violation of the law.  Now, people who are in the country without papers often do break other laws (Social Security fraud, Claiming to be a citizen, etc...) and if they are caught and deported they are then prohibited from entry into the US which would lead to them being illegal if they return.  The point I am making is that the law sees a distinction between "Undocumented" and "Illegal" and that being undocumented is not a crime.
 
2014-01-03 08:44:26 AM
Subby, do you need some kind of cream for that case If butthurt that you have come down with? It sounds like a rather advanced case, actually.
 
2014-01-03 08:44:32 AM
As somebody who did the whole visa/green card/citizenship path the long, hard way, going to every INS interview, presenting every paper, paying every fee, and working damned hard for the legal right to be here, I say...

...I'm OK with this.

The whole immigration system is just a ridiculous bureaucratic mess. Yes, they are here "illegally"... not because they broke any basic moral precept, but purely because they didn't follow an arbitrary paper trail. On any objective scale, the "wrong" that they have done is right up there with rolling through a Stop sign when there was no traffic around apart from that one cop car that saw you do it.

So yes, I know, some idiot will be along any moment now to pretend that I'm saying that if this law isn't important then no law is important (seen that); or that you can't be selective about the law or you are "rewarding" crime (hint: if you ever committed a traffic offense and the cop let you off with a warning, you already benefited from the law being selective); or that we might as well throw open the borders to criminals and terrorists (scare much?). I'm used to that. Basically, if your argument boils down to "It's illegal because it's illegal", then resorting to hyperbole is probably all you have left.

Also, the whole "they should pay a fine, leave the country, and go to the back of the queue" thing is complete nonsense. If I were to say that somebody who got a speeding ticket should lose their license and go to the back of the queue to get a new one, you would very reasonably say "that's ridiculous, it's completely out of proportion to the offense. And besides, there is no 'queue' for driving licenses, so what does that even mean?". And I would reply: "Precisely."
 
2014-01-03 08:44:48 AM
Humans like to live, to survive.
In order to do so when pressed not to they have two choices.
Fight or flight.
Now, you can fight for your freedom, or you can fly to it.
But you can't oppress those who wish to survive.

Unless you are one who would deny them life, survival.
 
2014-01-03 08:47:00 AM
It has been my experience that people who enter this country illegally tend to be far more law abiding and productive than the people who froth at the mouth at the mere mention of "illegals."
 
2014-01-03 08:49:57 AM

wellreadneck: NewportBarGuy: As a descendent of Irish immigrants, go f*ck yourself, hillbilly.

I'll hire the wetback attorney who fought to get and stay here over Harvard boy any day of the week.

Why? He'll actually give a f*ck about my case and not rape me over the price.

As a descendant of  the immigrants now disparaged with "hillbilly", go f*ck yourself, mick.


So you dont like the irish huh? double f*ck you. How many generations inbred are you anyways?
 
2014-01-03 08:51:38 AM

czetie: or that we might as well throw open the borders to criminals and terrorists (scare much?)


Hell, if a criminal or terrorist wanted to roll up into the US, get a Bachelor's, take the LSAT, graduate from law school, pass the bar exam, and pass the state bar's character and fitness exam - not to mention paying for all of that - I'd probably let them be a lawyer too.
 
2014-01-03 08:52:35 AM
So are we concerned that illegal immigrant lawyers are going to be stealing work from our hard-working American lawyers?
 
2014-01-03 08:53:18 AM

Teufelaffe: It has been my experience that people who enter this country illegally tend to be far more law abiding and productive than the people who froth at the mouth at the mere mention of "illegals."


That was a point in a criminology class I took. The crime rate rose with the first generation of those coming in, however.
ymmv
 
2014-01-03 08:53:39 AM
Is it really fair for Fark to be greenlighting headlines that were clearly written by retarded individuals? Exposing their obvious handicap to a wide and unsympathetic audience like this is just cruel.
 
2014-01-03 08:53:57 AM

qorkfiend: graduate from law school,


Here in Vermont, that is not a requirement.
You only need to pass the bar.
 
2014-01-03 08:55:10 AM

vudukungfu: qorkfiend: graduate from law school,

Here in Vermont, that is not a requirement.
You only need to pass the bar.


Haha, I guess that makes sense. Out of curiosity, does that happen often?
 
2014-01-03 09:01:45 AM

Kibbler: THE LAW IS THE LAW.

Except for taxes, Obamacare and red light taxes. In those cases it is our patriotic duty to resist tyranny.


Don't forget drunk driving, copyright law, and the law of averages.
 
2014-01-03 09:06:47 AM
subby: gr8 b8 m8, r8 8/8
 
2014-01-03 09:09:48 AM
Why do people keep brining up the Irish? The Irish are not human beings, therefore immigration laws do not apply to them.
 
2014-01-03 09:11:46 AM

Biological Ali: Is it really fair for Fark to be greenlighting headlines that were clearly written by retarded individuals? Exposing their obvious handicap to a wide and unsympathetic audience like this is just cruel.


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2014-01-03 09:12:41 AM

vudukungfu: Teufelaffe: It has been my experience that people who enter this country illegally tend to be far more law abiding and productive than the people who froth at the mouth at the mere mention of "illegals."

That was a point in a criminology class I took. The crime rate rose with the first generation of those coming in, however.
ymmv


What type of crime matters as well. Of course one would expect false SSNs or other identification crimes. I haven't seen a good break-down by type, but it would make no sense that overall crime did not change.
 
2014-01-03 09:13:14 AM

Frank N Stein: Why do people keep brining up the Irish? The Irish are not human beings, therefore immigration laws do not apply to them.


We keep brining them up so they won't spoil, just like you would a corned beef.
 
2014-01-03 09:17:00 AM
California: Stupid is as Stupid does
 
2014-01-03 09:19:07 AM
Dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
 
2014-01-03 09:21:25 AM
This seems like one of those really narrow rulings that doesn't farking matter much, really how many illegals went through college and law school and then passed the bar. This ruling might impact like what..8 or 9 people?
 
2014-01-03 09:21:59 AM

karnal: California: Stupid is as Stupid does


Thank you for the deep, and insightful addition to what is a layered and complex topic. I see you have obviously paid close attention to the issues, and any further thoughts you have will be greatly STFU!
 
2014-01-03 09:24:19 AM
At least he'll be easy to find when the deportations start.
 
2014-01-03 09:24:39 AM
You know, for a group of people that gets so flustered and mad over 'political correctness', they sure seem to care a lot about the words people use.
 
2014-01-03 09:24:41 AM

Headso: This seems like one of those really narrow rulings that doesn't farking matter much, really how many illegals went through college and law school and then passed the bar. This ruling might impact like what..8 or 9 people?


Plays better in flyover country.  8 or 9 people is the population of entire counties in some places.  In LA, more people get assaulted with hammers on a daily basis.
 
2014-01-03 09:28:08 AM

INeedAName: karnal: California: Stupid is as Stupid does

Thank you for the deep, and insightful addition to what is a layered and complex topic. I see you have obviously paid close attention to the issues, and any further thoughts you have will be greatly STFU!


I got all that from the very first line: "A Mexican immigrant without a green card on Thursday won the right to practice law in California." What kind of deep, insightful debate would you like to have? Maybe we could look into the fact that his visa application was being held up because he lied about his legal status?
 
2014-01-03 09:32:52 AM
Just what we need is more lawyers. Can you imagine a world without lawyers?
 
2014-01-03 09:35:01 AM
It has been said, but can never be repeated enough.

People are not illegal . . . their actions may be, but fundamentally a person or people should never be classified as legal or illegal.

When you kill someone intentionally, you are a murderer . . . not an illegal.

When you go past the speed limit, you are a scofflaw . . . not an illegal.

When you enter a country undocumented, you are an undocumented person . . . not illegal.
 
2014-01-03 09:36:47 AM

GoldSpider: Precisely. People don't understand that they would have a more compelling argument against illegal aliens if the naturalization process was made more reasonable.


More reasonable? You do realize that the U.S. is the easiest place in the world to legally immigrate to, don't you?
 
2014-01-03 09:39:23 AM

Snarfangel: GoldSpider: I'd wager that subby has achieved far less in his life than this guy.  Can we swap their citizenship status?


This might go against Article 15 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, depending on the legal definition of "arbitrarily."


I used to work for a wealthy fark who would hire illegal aliens to work in the warehouse. I would love to see him stripped of his fortune and citizenship then deported to Somalia or some other shiathole. The illegal immigrants were some of the nicest and hard working people I have ever met. if it were my call they have earned the right to be here as citizens.
 
2014-01-03 09:40:09 AM

Pokey.Clyde: GoldSpider: Precisely. People don't understand that they would have a more compelling argument against illegal aliens if the naturalization process was made more reasonable.

More reasonable? You do realize that the U.S. is the easiest place in the world to legally immigrate to, don't you?


Yeah, waiting nearly 20 years for a green card (Garcia's petition was accepted by the government in 1995) sounds totally reasonable.
 
2014-01-03 09:41:00 AM
Conservative PC police strike again.   "Call people illegals or else!"
 
2014-01-03 09:42:14 AM
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Subby
 
2014-01-03 09:43:59 AM

MetryPapi: It has been said, but can never be repeated enough.

People are not illegal . . . their actions may be, but fundamentally a person or people should never be classified as legal or illegal.

When you kill someone intentionally, you are a murderer . . . not an illegal.

When you go past the speed limit, you are a scofflaw . . . not an illegal.

When you enter a country undocumented, you are an undocumented person . . . not illegal.


How about unlawful?  Can we call them unlawful immigrants? Or if we all want to be strictly literal, should we just refer to them as crimminals?
 
2014-01-03 09:44:14 AM
The immigration debate is weird. Suddenly small gubmint conservatives are up in arms demanding that all paperwork filled out and filed in triplicate and liberals don't think the state should have authority to regulate its own borders.

Shiat don't make sense y'all.
 
2014-01-03 09:45:53 AM

karnal: MetryPapi: It has been said, but can never be repeated enough.

People are not illegal . . . their actions may be, but fundamentally a person or people should never be classified as legal or illegal.

When you kill someone intentionally, you are a murderer . . . not an illegal.

When you go past the speed limit, you are a scofflaw . . . not an illegal.

When you enter a country undocumented, you are an undocumented person . . . not illegal.

How about unlawful?  Can we call them unlawful immigrants? Or if we all want to be strictly literal, should we just refer to them as crimminals?


His opinion is you shouldn't call them illegals, you can call them whatever you want Mr Victim.
 
2014-01-03 09:47:08 AM

karnal: Maybe we could look into the fact that his visa application was being held up because he lied about his legal status?


You know how I know that you don't know jack shiat about the visa process and didn't actually read the article?
 
2014-01-03 09:50:19 AM

MetryPapi: It has been said, but can never be repeated enough.

People are not illegal . . . their actions may be, but fundamentally a person or people should never be classified as legal or illegal.

When you kill someone intentionally, you are a murderer . . . not an illegal.

When you go past the speed limit, you are a scofflaw . . . not an illegal.

When you enter a country undocumented, you are an undocumented person . . . not illegal.


By your addition of an before Illegal you have transfered the word into a noun.  This removes the verb definition and allows for the noun to be defined by context, in this case an illegal is an undocumented immigrant.  Yes you can be an illegal.
 
2014-01-03 09:50:22 AM

Ned Stark: The immigration debate is weird. Suddenly small gubmint conservatives are up in arms demanding that all paperwork filled out and filed in triplicate and liberals don't think the state should have authority to regulate its own borders.

Shiat don't make sense y'all.


Nice strawman.
 
2014-01-03 09:51:09 AM

Chaide: "snuck in at 17 and faked papers"

Wow, I didn't know that 17 month old children were capable of sneaking across the border and forging their own papers! Do go on!


10/10 for subby!
 
2014-01-03 09:51:54 AM

Ned Stark: The immigration debate is weird. Suddenly small gubmint conservatives are up in arms demanding that all paperwork filled out and filed in triplicate and liberals don't think the state should have authority to regulate its own borders.

Shiat don't make sense y'all.


Well, in the first place, there are no small government conservatives. Conservatives LOVE big government. They just want a different big government than "liberals." One that puts Those People in their place. And kills lots and lots of people.
 
2014-01-03 09:52:16 AM

Ned Stark: The immigration debate is weird. Suddenly small gubmint conservatives are up in arms demanding that all paperwork filled out and filed in triplicate and liberals don't think the state should have authority to regulate its own borders.

Shiat don't make sense y'all.


That's not even wrong.
 
2014-01-03 09:55:49 AM

KIA: qorkfiend: Is there some reason that law licenses should be restricted to citizens only?

There does seem to be a general consensus that if you're going to be an officer of the court and sworn to uphold the law, you ought not to be in violation of it and have a history of deliberately flouting the law.


I know people who have served time in jail for violating the law (DWI, for instance) and currently practice law.
 
2014-01-03 09:56:31 AM
What a bunch of BS. A guy with a pending green card application is anthing but "undomented."
 
2014-01-03 09:59:13 AM

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Ned Stark: The immigration debate is weird. Suddenly small gubmint conservatives are up in arms demanding that all paperwork filled out and filed in triplicate and liberals don't think the state should have authority to regulate its own borders.

Shiat don't make sense y'all.

Nice strawman.


You can't make the uncharitable assumption every time. People will start to think you're an asshole.
 
2014-01-03 10:00:30 AM

Ned Stark: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Ned Stark: The immigration debate is weird. Suddenly small gubmint conservatives are up in arms demanding that all paperwork filled out and filed in triplicate and liberals don't think the state should have authority to regulate its own borders.

Shiat don't make sense y'all.

Nice strawman.

You can't make the uncharitable assumption every time. People will start to think you're an asshole.


I don't think most Farkers - or internet commenters in general - are particularly concerned about that last part.
 
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