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(LA Times)   CA mandates that illegal immigrants, shining examples of abiding by the law, be issued a license to practice it. 1st beneficiary of the new law snuck in at 17 and faked papers. Bonus: not one instance of the word "illegal" in the article or headline   (latimes.com) divider line 228
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2014-01-03 01:14:52 AM  
As a descendent of Irish immigrants, go f*ck yourself, hillbilly.

I'll hire the wetback attorney who fought to get and stay here over Harvard boy any day of the week.

Why? He'll actually give a f*ck about my case and not rape me over the price.
 
2014-01-03 01:35:58 AM  
1. Kid came over at 17 months, Dad is legal, son is waiting on his green card.  In the meantime, he's not allowed to work, so he goes to school.

2. The ruling says that being in violation of this particular federal law is not reason enough to prevent him from being admitted to the bar.

3.  The article makes it perfectly clear that he's not here legally.  Anyone with a 6th grade or higher reading level will have zero problem understanding that.
 
2014-01-03 01:42:12 AM  

BSABSVR: 1. Kid came over at 17 months, Dad is legal, son is waiting on his green card.  In the meantime, he's not allowed to work, so he goes to school.

2. The ruling says that being in violation of this particular federal law is not reason enough to prevent him from being admitted to the bar.

3.  The article makes it perfectly clear that he's not here legally.  Anyone with a 6th grade or higher reading level will have zero problem understanding that.


Remember, the game show is "are you smarter than a 5th-grader", which implies statistically that half the intended viewership is not, indeed, smarter than a 6th-grade reader.

And I'll join NewportBarGuy in offering a well-earned bird to smitty.
 
2014-01-03 03:06:01 AM  
He's as much of an American as I am, except he's better educated and has probably taken a terrible career path. But still, deal with it. He's an American.

And "17", subby? Nice comment / green light bait.
 
2014-01-03 03:11:53 AM  
Subby seems to be really concerned about laws. I wonder how many laws the subtard has broken in his or her miserable life. I bet they were a lot more serious than crossing a border.
 
2014-01-03 07:21:40 AM  
Going for the Stromfront/Liberal flamewar clicks, admins?
 
2014-01-03 07:23:02 AM  
Is there some reason that law licenses should be restricted to citizens only?
 
KIA
2014-01-03 07:25:17 AM  

qorkfiend: Is there some reason that law licenses should be restricted to citizens only?


There does seem to be a general consensus that if you're going to be an officer of the court and sworn to uphold the law, you ought not to be in violation of it and have a history of deliberately flouting the law.
 
2014-01-03 07:25:29 AM  

qorkfiend: Is there some reason that law licenses should be restricted to citizens only?


No.
 
2014-01-03 07:32:24 AM  

KIA: qorkfiend: Is there some reason that law licenses should be restricted to citizens only?

There does seem to be a general consensus that if you're going to be an officer of the court and sworn to uphold the law, you ought not to be in violation of it and have a history of deliberately flouting the law.


He wasn't being excluded on that basis, so those aren't particularly germane to the discussion.
 
2014-01-03 07:35:12 AM  
"snuck in at 17 and faked papers"

Wow, I didn't know that 17 month old children were capable of sneaking across the border and forging their own papers! Do go on!
 
2014-01-03 07:35:37 AM  

KIA: qorkfiend: Is there some reason that law licenses should be restricted to citizens only?

There does seem to be a general consensus that if you're going to be an officer of the court and sworn to uphold the law, you ought not to be in violation of it and have a history of deliberately flouting the law.


Looks like we found derpmitter.
 
2014-01-03 07:40:37 AM  

Chaide: "snuck in at 17 and faked papers"

Wow, I didn't know that 17 month old children were capable of sneaking across the border and forging their own papers! Do go on!


He went back to Mexico when he was 9, and then back to the States when he was 17.
 
2014-01-03 07:41:04 AM  
As a member of the bar, I have no problem with this guy being admitted.  That said, there is a lot of poor reading comprehension amongst the posters here:

Garcia, a resident of Chico, Calif., came to the U.S. with his family when he was 17 months old. He returned to Mexico when he was 9 and reentered the U.S. without authorization when he was 17.

He did "sneak in" at 17 years old.
 
2014-01-03 07:42:30 AM  
I'd have more outrage if he'd snuck across the border as a proper two year old and not 17  months as reported.
 
2014-01-03 07:42:36 AM  
I live in L.A., and if you'd like to fill this out, I can drop it by the Time's Valley office for you.
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2014-01-03 07:42:50 AM  
FTA:  Garcia, a resident of Chico, Calif., came to the U.S. with his family when he was 17 months old.

Can a 17 month old child be held responsible for breaking a law?  Isn't it necessary for the child to stay with his parents?   Wouldn't the principle of  quod est necessarium est licitumapply?
 
2014-01-03 07:43:03 AM  
But if they are allowed to get a driver's license then they might also get insurance.  If that happens it might eliminate or reduce the problem of unlicensed and uninsured undocumented motorists getting in at fault wrecks and the victim being screwed.  That "issue" is a great fund raiser for the GOP to scare money out of xenophobic constituents.
 
2014-01-03 07:43:10 AM  
He's practicing the law Americans don't want to practice.

/Can we H-1B lawyers? That would be entertaining.
 
2014-01-03 07:45:55 AM  

BSABSVR: 3. The article makes it perfectly clear that he's not here legally. Anyone with a 6th grade or higher reading level will have zero problem understanding that.



In other words, NOT hillbilly subby.
 
2014-01-03 07:46:58 AM  
People aren't illegal, you racist coont.
 
2014-01-03 07:47:10 AM  

BSABSVR: 1. Kid came over at 17 months, Dad is legal, son is waiting on his green card.  In the meantime, he's not allowed to work, so he goes to school.

2. The ruling says that being in violation of this particular federal law is not reason enough to prevent him from being admitted to the bar.

3.  The article makes it perfectly clear that he's not here legally.  Anyone with a 6th grade or higher reading level will have zero problem understanding that.



Dammit, I don't *want* to read the article!

*sigh*

Oh, very well.
 
2014-01-03 07:51:16 AM  
With all the big-money, high powered evil that's going in thei country today, if this little story is what gets you upset - do us all, yourself, and the world a favor.
Kill yourself.
Do it now.
I'm not joking.
This isn't "Fark Snark".
If that , in these times, is what you're upset about - kill yourself.
You won't like living in the world to come anyway.
 
2014-01-03 07:53:23 AM  
I'd wager that subby has achieved far less in his life than this guy.  Can we swap their citizenship status?
 
2014-01-03 07:57:21 AM  

GoldSpider: I'd wager that subby has achieved far less in his life than this guy.  Can we swap their citizenship status?


Something about the headline made me want to kick subby in the junk..
 
2014-01-03 07:58:25 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: As a member of the bar, I have no problem with this guy being admitted.  That said, there is a lot of poor reading comprehension amongst the posters here:

Garcia, a resident of Chico, Calif., came to the U.S. with his family when he was 17 months old. He returned to Mexico when he was 9 and reentered the U.S. without authorization when he was 17.

He did "sneak in" at 17 years old.


I'd be more outraged if any of this was the son's fault:

FTA: His father, an agricultural worker who obtained U.S. citizenship, applied for a green card for his son in 1994. The federal government accepted the petition in 1995, but Garcia is still waiting for the card.

tl;dr: Beureaucrats are slow, therefore we should deport the brown people.
 
2014-01-03 08:00:17 AM  

GoldSpider: I'd wager that subby has achieved far less in his life than this guy.  Can we swap their citizenship status?



This might go against Article 15 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, depending on the legal definition of "arbitrarily."
 
2014-01-03 08:01:06 AM  

BSABSVR: 2. The ruling says that being in violation of this particular federal law is not reason enough to prevent him from being admitted to the bar.


Point of order: Garcia was never actually in violation of the law that prevented him from being licensed.

The law in question bars law licenses (or any state benefit) to persons without legal status unless the state enacts specific exemptions. The California Supreme Court met in September, and determined that they couldn't license Garcia because of this law; in October, the California state legislature enacted one of the aforementioned exemptions for law licenses; yesterday, the CA Supreme Court said "That'll do, piggly."

An open question that this ruling did not answer is whether or not Garcia, since he's still without legal status, can legally work as a contractor and charge for legal services.
 
2014-01-03 08:02:55 AM  
THE LAW IS THE LAW.

Except for taxes, Obamacare and red light taxes. In those cases it is our patriotic duty to resist tyranny.
 
2014-01-03 08:04:01 AM  

Kibbler: THE LAW IS THE LAW.

Except for taxes, Obamacare and red light taxes. In those cases it is our patriotic duty to resist tyranny.



You said taxes twice.
 
2014-01-03 08:06:06 AM  
Subby is having a good day. They are going to need a bigger boat.
 
2014-01-03 08:06:46 AM  
He took our jerb!
 
2014-01-03 08:06:48 AM  

pkellmey: Subby is having a good day. They are going to need a bigger boat.


The northeast is snowed in. It'll be fertile fishing grounds today.
 
2014-01-03 08:08:01 AM  

NewportBarGuy: As a descendent of Irish immigrants, go f*ck yourself, hillbilly.

I'll hire the wetback attorney who fought to get and stay here over Harvard boy any day of the week.

Why? He'll actually give a f*ck about my case and not rape me over the price.


As a descendant of  the immigrants now disparaged with "hillbilly", go f*ck yourself, mick.
 
2014-01-03 08:11:24 AM  

qorkfiend: pkellmey: Subby is having a good day. They are going to need a bigger boat.

The northeast is snowed in. It'll be fertile fishing grounds today.


6 degrees here in St. Louis this morning.  Just waiting for my relief to get here so I can drive home.
 
2014-01-03 08:11:50 AM  

Chaide: Three Crooked Squirrels: As a member of the bar, I have no problem with this guy being admitted.  That said, there is a lot of poor reading comprehension amongst the posters here:

Garcia, a resident of Chico, Calif., came to the U.S. with his family when he was 17 months old. He returned to Mexico when he was 9 and reentered the U.S. without authorization when he was 17.

He did "sneak in" at 17 years old.

I'd be more outraged if any of this was the son's fault:

FTA: His father, an agricultural worker who obtained U.S. citizenship, applied for a green card for his son in 1994. The federal government accepted the petition in 1995, but Garcia is still waiting for the card.

tl;dr: Beureaucrats are slow, therefore we should deport the brown people.


I'm not outraged at all.  I figure that the purpose of the bar is to ensure that when you go to a lawyer, you can be assured of 1) minimum competence (they passed a test), and 2) that they have been screened for character and fitness.  As for whether he meets the character and fitness requirements, my personal opinion is that the screening is in place to try to screen out people likely to fleece their clients, which doesn't seem to apply to a person simply because the are living in the US illegally.*

*I think the argument could be made that there is a higher likelihood that they could abscond with a client's money.  My guess is that the argument was made, considered and rejected.
 
2014-01-03 08:14:44 AM  

Chaide: tl;dr: Beureaucrats are slow, therefore we should deport the brown people.


Precisely.  People don't understand that they would have a more compelling argument against illegal aliens if the naturalization process was made more reasonable.
 
2014-01-03 08:18:14 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Chaide: Three Crooked Squirrels: As a member of the bar, I have no problem with this guy being admitted.  That said, there is a lot of poor reading comprehension amongst the posters here:

Garcia, a resident of Chico, Calif., came to the U.S. with his family when he was 17 months old. He returned to Mexico when he was 9 and reentered the U.S. without authorization when he was 17.

He did "sneak in" at 17 years old.

I'd be more outraged if any of this was the son's fault:

FTA: His father, an agricultural worker who obtained U.S. citizenship, applied for a green card for his son in 1994. The federal government accepted the petition in 1995, but Garcia is still waiting for the card.

tl;dr: Beureaucrats are slow, therefore we should deport the brown people.

I'm not outraged at all.  I figure that the purpose of the bar is to ensure that when you go to a lawyer, you can be assured of 1) minimum competence (they passed a test), and 2) that they have been screened for character and fitness.  As for whether he meets the character and fitness requirements, my personal opinion is that the screening is in place to try to screen out people likely to fleece their clients, which doesn't seem to apply to a person simply because the are living in the US illegally.*

*I think the argument could be made that there is a higher likelihood that they could abscond with a client's money.  My guess is that the argument was made, considered and rejected.


That's pretty much it; the CA State Bar has already done the character and fitness screening (that's how they know about the fake number on the job application and the citation for driving without a license or insurance) and have determined that there's no problem there. It's worth noting that the CA Supreme Court has final say over all law licenses issued in the state and that Garcia was represented by the State Bar before the Court, so it's pretty clear that the State Bar has zero issues with Garcia personally and that the only holdup was this federal law.
 
2014-01-03 08:19:38 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Garcia, a resident of Chico, Calif., came to the U.S. with his family when he was 17 months old. He returned to Mexico when he was 9 and reentered the U.S. without authorization when he was 17.

He did "sneak in" at 17 years old.


That's like charging someone who stole a car and drove it to work every day for a month with 30 separate counts of grand theft auto because every time he drove it he was breaking into a car that wasn't his.
 
2014-01-03 08:19:43 AM  
Ok... So Jay Hernandez is an 'illegal' lawyer who takes cases American lawyers won't take. We get Edward James Olmos to play his dad, who uses folksy Chicano wisdom to help his son win his cases and do better in his personal life, and we got ourselves a show.
 
2014-01-03 08:21:18 AM  

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"Hello?  Yes, some squealing moron from the internet has asked me to tell you that once,

when I was in junior high, I shoplifted an entire case of Big League Chew...Yep...Grape...The next time was a pack of Bartles & Jaymes...I forget which one.  No? OK, sorry to bug you. Yes, you too.  Buh-bye."

 
2014-01-03 08:22:17 AM  
This is unconscionable! Everyone knows lawyers are paragons of legal behavior and vigilantly adhere to the law at all times.
 
2014-01-03 08:23:19 AM  

dookdookdook: Three Crooked Squirrels: Garcia, a resident of Chico, Calif., came to the U.S. with his family when he was 17 months old. He returned to Mexico when he was 9 and reentered the U.S. without authorization when he was 17.

He did "sneak in" at 17 years old.

That's like charging someone who stole a car and drove it to work every day for a month with 30 separate counts of grand theft auto because every time he drove it he was breaking into a car that wasn't his.


Um...umm? I'm not sure how this has anything to do with the fact that Garcia "reentered the U.S. without authorization when he was 17".
 
2014-01-03 08:24:27 AM  

dookdookdook: Three Crooked Squirrels: Garcia, a resident of Chico, Calif., came to the U.S. with his family when he was 17 months old. He returned to Mexico when he was 9 and reentered the U.S. without authorization when he was 17.

He did "sneak in" at 17 years old.

That's like charging someone who stole a car and drove it to work every day for a month with 30 separate counts of grand theft auto because every time he drove it he was breaking into a car that wasn't his.


OK.  I'll bite.  How?
 
2014-01-03 08:25:23 AM  
Finally a story not about Ted Cruz.
 
2014-01-03 08:25:25 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: 2) that they have been screened for character and fitness.  As for whether he meets the character and fitness requirements, my personal opinion is that the screening is in place to try to screen out people likely to fleece their clients, which doesn't seem to apply to a person simply because the are living in the US illegally.*

*I think the argument could be made that there is a higher likelihood that they could abscond with a client's money.  My guess is that the argument was made, considered and rejected.


I told them everything when I did my character and fitness, including when I got kicked off campus and told I couldn't live in the dorms anymore when my undergrad roommate ratted on me for smoking pot in my dorm room. I have no idea how this guy passed character and fitness because they asked for everywhere I'd ever lived. I even had to give them my APO's for those two years I spent in Iraq.
 
2014-01-03 08:26:38 AM  

Ivandrago: Three Crooked Squirrels: 2) that they have been screened for character and fitness.  As for whether he meets the character and fitness requirements, my personal opinion is that the screening is in place to try to screen out people likely to fleece their clients, which doesn't seem to apply to a person simply because the are living in the US illegally.*

*I think the argument could be made that there is a higher likelihood that they could abscond with a client's money.  My guess is that the argument was made, considered and rejected.

I told them everything when I did my character and fitness, including when I got kicked off campus and told I couldn't live in the dorms anymore when my undergrad roommate ratted on me for smoking pot in my dorm room. I have no idea how this guy passed character and fitness because they asked for everywhere I'd ever lived. I even had to give them my APO's for those two years I spent in Iraq.


What makes you think the Bar didn't ask or that Garcia didn't tell them?
 
2014-01-03 08:29:49 AM  

Ivandrago: Three Crooked Squirrels: 2) that they have been screened for character and fitness.  As for whether he meets the character and fitness requirements, my personal opinion is that the screening is in place to try to screen out people likely to fleece their clients, which doesn't seem to apply to a person simply because the are living in the US illegally.*

*I think the argument could be made that there is a higher likelihood that they could abscond with a client's money.  My guess is that the argument was made, considered and rejected.

I told them everything when I did my character and fitness, including when I got kicked off campus and told I couldn't live in the dorms anymore when my undergrad roommate ratted on me for smoking pot in my dorm room. I have no idea how this guy passed character and fitness because they asked for everywhere I'd ever lived. I even had to give them my APO's for those two years I spent in Iraq.


I don't pretend to know how he passed, but he did.  CSB - one of my law school classmates got arrested a few times in law school.  A DUI and unpaid child support, I think.  He was law review, so he was no dummy, but when he applied for the bar (either in OK or TX, not sure which one), he was told to stay clean and reapply in one year.  Basically given a one year period to prove he got his act together.  He did, and reapplied and passed the bar.  His first job was with Enron.  I always thought it was kind of funny that the one guy I knew that had problems with character and fitness was hired out of the box by Enron.
 
2014-01-03 08:31:35 AM  

qorkfiend: What makes you think the Bar didn't ask or that Garcia didn't tell them?


He probably told them. They scare you so much during that process that you tell them everything. They tell you non-disclosure of something bad will disqualify you faster than disclosure, so I'm fairly sure he told them, but you have no idea what will keep you from being allowed to take the test. I know people with 1 DUI who were forced to wait a year and people with 2 who were allowed to sit for the exam. You never really know. I figure in California, moving back and forth between Mexico and the US is fairly common so they probably didn't think much of it.
 
2014-01-03 08:34:16 AM  
Three Crooked Squirrels:I told them everything when I did my character and fitness, including when I got kicked off campus and told I couldn't live in the dorms anymore when my undergrad roommate ratted on me for smoking pot in my dorm room. I have no idea how this guy passed character and fitness because they asked for everywhere I'd ever lived. I even had to give them my APO's for those two years I spent in Iraq.

I don't pretend to know how he passed, but he did.  CSB - one of my law school classmates got arrested a few times in law school.  A DUI and unpaid child support, I think.  He was law review, so he was no dummy, but when he applied for the bar (either in OK or TX, not sure which one), he was told to stay clean and reapply in one year.  Basically given a one year period to prove he got his act together.  He did, and reapplied and passed the bar.  His first job was with Enron.  I always thought it was kind of funny that the one guy I knew that had problems with character and fitness was hired out of the box by Enron.


We had a registered sex offender in my class. We don't think he took the bar, but no one has heard from him since graduation.
 
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