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(Daily Mail)   Hospital staff in Northern Virginia are turning away sick people on a frigid Thursday morning because they can't determine whether their Obamacare insurance plans are in effect   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 242
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2014-01-02 11:47:46 PM
Last time I went to the hospital with no insurance, they had no problem treating me.
 
2014-01-02 11:58:05 PM
Headline: hospital turns sick people away!

Article: Hospital tells people they will get billed if insurance doesn't cover their visit. Just like forever. Some people choose to leave just like forever.
 
2014-01-03 12:06:10 AM
Hmm, hospitals are merely advising patients they can't be sure of their insurance status and might be liable for the bill; the quotes in the article detail the patients leaving of their own accord. There's a distinction.

Headline is alarmist, but again it's the Daily Fail.

If these instances are optional medical services/outpatient services the patients are complaining about, the hospital may have wiggle room.

If this is implying patients are being 'turned away' from ERs based on ability to pay -- and can be verified actually happened -- COBRA violation, and some substantial fines to the hospital.

/no one wants this to happen


i.annihil.us
 
2014-01-03 12:08:28 AM
Well, at least we're not getting one Duck Dumbassery headline after another this week

/it's good to be back to normal
 
2014-01-03 12:23:05 AM

BSABSVR: Headline: hospital turns sick people away!

Article: Hospital tells people they will get billed if insurance doesn't cover their visit. Just like forever. Some people choose to leave just like forever.


Ayup. I thought The Daily Fail was trolly but subby has managed to make the story even more so.
 
2014-01-03 12:40:20 AM
Sounds like a good argument for single-payer, Subby.
 
2014-01-03 01:27:26 AM

propasaurus: Sounds like a good argument for single-payer, Subby.


Real Americans hate socialism, you sound like a terrorist.
 
2014-01-03 01:35:18 AM
What will the GOP call Universal single-payer when they enact it?
Y'know, for freedom.
 
2014-01-03 01:39:47 AM
Armed guards at hospital gun down cancer patients who were forced to switch to Obamacare.  News at 11:00.
 
2014-01-03 02:03:33 AM
Allow me to preemptively translate this for the Fark Inderpendents out there:FWD: FW: FW: Welcome to 0dunga's AmeriKKKa, where if you don't show up to the hospital with your 0samacare card loaded up with enough 0bamabux you get herded into the cattle cars and sent to the FEMA reeducation camps, comrade.
 
2014-01-03 02:50:57 AM

itcamefromschenectady: Last time I went to the hospital with no insurance, they had no problem treating me.


MY REAL question is:
WTF?!

When I buy something, I get a receipt.
When I buy insurance, I get an insurance ID card.

WHY havent all these people who have enrolled gotten their ID cards yet?
DERP DERP DERP
 
2014-01-03 02:59:24 AM
A True American simply lies back and thinks of Reagan while binding the wounds with saltpeter-laced pages of "Atlas Shrugged."
 
2014-01-03 03:21:35 AM

namatad: WHY havent all these people who have enrolled gotten their ID cards yet?


I'd venture a guess that maybe the exchanges aren't getting the info to the insurance companies quickly, or the insurance companies can't deal with the volume of all the new sign-ups.  Either/or.
 
2014-01-03 03:27:31 AM
People who never had health insurance before, don't know they need to carry health insurance cards.

Did I say "health insurance"? I meant OBAMACARE insurance. Because anything remotely related to health insurance is Obamacare related.

Clearly OBAMACARE sucks.

In other news, like the webpage, we won't hear how this particular facet of Obamacare doesn't work in 4 months.

Blow your load now GOP. Keep in mind you're far to old to have multiple orgasms.
 
2014-01-03 04:11:31 AM

impaler: People who never had health insurance before, don't know they need to carry health insurance cards.

Did I say "health insurance"? I meant OBAMACARE insurance. Because anything remotely related to health insurance is Obamacare related.

Clearly OBAMACARE sucks.

In other news, like the webpage, we won't hear how this particular facet of Obamacare doesn't work in 4 months.

Blow your load now GOP. Keep in mind you're far to old to have multiple orgasms.


FTFY
 
2014-01-03 04:26:38 AM

Lsherm: namatad: WHY havent all these people who have enrolled gotten their ID cards yet?

I'd venture a guess that maybe the exchanges aren't getting the info to the insurance companies quickly, or the insurance companies can't deal with the volume of all the new sign-ups.  Either/or.


eyup
and yet this is obama's fault. not the insurance companies faults.

in the end, this will all wash out.
for now, this will be MAJOR PROBLEMS!!@!@!@!@
LOL
 
2014-01-03 04:31:24 AM

namatad: and yet this is obama's fault. not the insurance companies faults.


Well I guess it would depend on where the delay is happening.  If it's happening on the federal exchange side, then Obama gets some of the blame.  That's his fark-up.  If the insurance companies can't process the applications, then that's on them.  It's not like they didn't know it was coming.
 
2014-01-03 04:53:10 AM
fta 'No one has sent me a bill,' she said.

It sounds like she didn't have an ID card because she hasn't paid for her insurance yet. If only there were some system where everybody was covered for everything all the time... Perhaps something tax-based, so that people wouldn't have to wonder if they'd paid their bill...
 
2014-01-03 05:12:38 AM
Where does one get the magic insurance card that guarantees the bearer has insurance and it will cover everything?  I have an insurance card, and valid insurance, but there is no way on earth anyone can say either before or after treatment that coverage is actually in effect and will cover anything billed.

It just doesn't friggin' work that way.
 
2014-01-03 05:15:28 AM
Thanks Fartbongo!
 
2014-01-03 05:18:37 AM
Galvez said she enrolled in a Carefirst Blue Cross bronze plan at a cost of about $450 per month through healthcare.gov, three days before Christmas.

'No one has sent me a bill,' she said.


Hmm, I wonder why she hadn't gotten a bill by Jan 2?
 
2014-01-03 05:22:08 AM
The partisan derp shall be strong in here and nothing shall be learned,

/derp
 
2014-01-03 05:22:48 AM

propasaurus: Sounds like a good argument for single-payer, Subby.


So you're going to take the same people who couldn't run an insurance website and put them in charge of running the entire show?

/That outta be hilarious...
 
2014-01-03 05:28:20 AM
I don't think they will turn you away. I do think they will try and make you pay the full cost which really gat damn high. The worse they could do is ruin your credit. But you could give them like $20.00 bucks every week and that will keep off your back for awhile til they forget about it or are like fark it.
 
2014-01-03 05:30:27 AM

sleeper2995: I don't think they will turn you away. I do think they will try and make you pay the full cost which really gat damn high. The worse they could do is ruin your credit. But you could give them like $20.00 bucks every week and that will keep off your back for awhile til they forget about it or are like fark it.


THEY were not turned away.
THEY walked away.

It is a fark headline.
TROLL-A-LICIOUS
 
2014-01-03 05:32:22 AM

hestheone: Where does one get the magic insurance card that guarantees the bearer has insurance and it will cover everything?  I have an insurance card, and valid insurance, but there is no way on earth anyone can say either before or after treatment that coverage is actually in effect and will cover anything billed.

It just doesn't friggin' work that way.


LOL
Which is why hospitals pre-approve major treatments, surgeries, etc.


at what point do the citizens revolt and demand single payer, universal coverage?

YES, of COURSE, people can buy additional supplemental insurance, just like in first world countries.
 
2014-01-03 05:32:41 AM
This bakers dozen per hour of daily mail articles might explain why fark traffic is dwindling.
 
2014-01-03 05:33:43 AM

corq: Hmm, hospitals are merely advising patients they can't be sure of their insurance status and might be liable for the bill; the quotes in the article detail the patients leaving of their own accord. There's a distinction.

Headline is alarmist, but again it's the Daily Fail.

If these instances are optional medical services/outpatient services the patients are complaining about, the hospital may have wiggle room.

If this is implying patients are being 'turned away' from ERs based on ability to pay -- and can be verified actually happened -- COBRA violation, and some substantial fines to the hospital.

/no one wants this to happen


[i.annihil.us image 406x321]


Mmmm, COBRA violation.

www.craiglotter.co.za
 
2014-01-03 05:40:07 AM

doglover: corq: Hmm, hospitals are merely advising patients they can't be sure of their insurance status and might be liable for the bill; the quotes in the article detail the patients leaving of their own accord. There's a distinction.

Headline is alarmist, but again it's the Daily Fail.

If these instances are optional medical services/outpatient services the patients are complaining about, the hospital may have wiggle room.

If this is implying patients are being 'turned away' from ERs based on ability to pay -- and can be verified actually happened -- COBRA violation, and some substantial fines to the hospital.

/no one wants this to happen


[i.annihil.us image 406x321]

Mmmm, COBRA violation.

[www.craiglotter.co.za image 520x727]


I'll take the Baroness over the trolly link.  Yummy.
 
2014-01-03 05:41:32 AM
Single payer now, end the confusion, kill the insurance industry and reign in medical cost greatly.

Obama is not to blame its the morons running the website not getting it right the first time and with something like this you gotta get it right the first time.

Insurance companies may have a chunk of blame if they are behind in getting the insurance policies filed and in effect.

Also who ever set such an in flexible deadline for having the website up + date in which people ave to sign up for it is to blame, i am not sure Obama set those dates or congress hashed those out.

Bottomline alot more time should have been given to getting the website up and running and carte blanche should have been given to cover all expenses in doing so
 
2014-01-03 05:45:13 AM

Alphax: doglover: corq: Hmm, hospitals are merely advising patients they can't be sure of their insurance status and might be liable for the bill; the quotes in the article detail the patients leaving of their own accord. There's a distinction.

Headline is alarmist, but again it's the Daily Fail.

If these instances are optional medical services/outpatient services the patients are complaining about, the hospital may have wiggle room.

If this is implying patients are being 'turned away' from ERs based on ability to pay -- and can be verified actually happened -- COBRA violation, and some substantial fines to the hospital.

/no one wants this to happen


[i.annihil.us image 406x321]

Mmmm, COBRA violation.

[www.craiglotter.co.za image 520x727]

I'll take the Baroness over the trolly link.  Yummy.


I'd like to put my spring launched missile action to good use in that playset if you know what I mean.
 
2014-01-03 05:46:12 AM

grimlock1972: Bottomline alot more time should have been given to getting the website up and running and carte blanche should have been given to cover all expenses in doing so


I'm sure the government being shut down during the web site launch didn't help matters.  But then the web site is merely a tool to help comparison shop for health insurance.
 
2014-01-03 05:46:21 AM

namatad: itcamefromschenectady: Last time I went to the hospital with no insurance, they had no problem treating me.

MY REAL question is:
WTF?!

When I buy something, I get a receipt.
When I buy insurance, I get an insurance ID card.

WHY havent all these people who have enrolled gotten their ID cards yet?
DERP DERP DERP


They likely have. I checked out the exchange and chose to stay with my ins from work. But BCBS of NC sent me a bill telling me I needed to pay it before 12/31/13 if I wanted the plan to go into effect 1/1/14. It's been a BS talking point all along that ammounts to spreading FUD.
 
2014-01-03 05:49:58 AM
I've gotten my health and dental insurance cards.. the others may be around, but I'm not very good about opening all my mail, and can overlook things.
 
2014-01-03 05:51:24 AM
I had to visit the ER twice in a four day span for seperate emergencies. I'm insured. Both times I asked the attending nurse if I could pay there on the spot, and both times I was met with a look of absolute shock.
 
2014-01-03 05:55:05 AM
Question about the insurance cards:

Mine has a chip on it and the hospital/doctor just puts it into a reader and has all the information as well as what is covered I guess.

Are American cards different again?
 
2014-01-03 05:55:10 AM

doglover: I'd like to put my spring launched missile action to good use in that playset if you know what I mean.


I'm not sure.. is that where the red tip goes missing, or it's a choking hazard to small children?  :P
 
2014-01-03 05:56:59 AM

Alphax: doglover: I'd like to put my spring launched missile action to good use in that playset if you know what I mean.

I'm not sure.. is that where the red tip goes missing, or it's a choking hazard to small children?  :P


Something something kung fu grip.
 
2014-01-03 05:58:33 AM
In trollmitters defense, the headline submitted to fark does match a line - verbatim - that appears in the article.

And which is contradicted both before and after that sentence in the article.  But it's not like he or she just made it up out of the blue.
 
2014-01-03 06:00:20 AM

lucksi: Question about the insurance cards:

Mine has a chip on it and the hospital/doctor just puts it into a reader and has all the information as well as what is covered I guess.

Are American cards different again?


Magnetic strip. Primitive and less secure, but cheap.
 
2014-01-03 06:10:16 AM
Even if you don't have your ID card, you can just call your carrier for that information.  Not that hard.
 
2014-01-03 06:15:52 AM
Yes send me the bill, my name is Shackleford, Rusty Shackleford.
 
2014-01-03 06:19:28 AM

zomega: Even if you don't have your ID card, you can just call your carrier for that information.  Not that hard.


So maybe these people were lying?
 
2014-01-03 06:23:06 AM

Bareefer Obonghit: Allow me to preemptively translate this for the Fark Inderpendents out there:FWD: FW: FW: Welcome to 0dunga's AmeriKKKa, where if you don't show up to the hospital with your 0samacare card loaded up with enough 0bamabux you get herded into the cattle cars and sent to the FEMA reeducation camps, comrade.


There are no FEMA reeducation camps. Now on the subject of rendering camps.........................
 
2014-01-03 06:43:57 AM

Lsherm: namatad: WHY havent all these people who have enrolled gotten their ID cards yet?

I'd venture a guess that maybe the exchanges aren't getting the info to the insurance companies quickly, or the insurance companies can't deal with the volume of all the new sign-ups.  Either/or.


I thought nobody was signing up to this no-good, awful, crappy crap crap law? Why would the volumes be high?
 
2014-01-03 06:46:36 AM

ongbok: Galvez said she enrolled in a Carefirst Blue Cross bronze plan at a cost of about $450 per month through healthcare.gov, three days before Christmas.

'No one has sent me a bill,' she said.

Hmm, I wonder why she hadn't gotten a bill by Jan 2?


FWIW, my wife's card showed up on December 31st, and she just beat the signup deadline, too
 
2014-01-03 06:50:33 AM

HaywoodJablonski: I thought nobody was signing up to this no-good, awful, crappy crap crap law? Why would the volumes be high?


Because it's mandated by law, which isn't a tax, until the Supreme Court says it is?
 
2014-01-03 06:53:16 AM
Thanks, NobamaCare.
 
2014-01-03 07:08:47 AM

lucksi: Question about the insurance cards:

Mine has a chip on it and the hospital/doctor just puts it into a reader and has all the information as well as what is covered I guess.

Are American cards different again?


What is covered may depend on if the hospital feels like billing the insurance company or if they would rather bill you at the greatly inflated non-insurance rates.
 
2014-01-03 07:09:11 AM

way south: propasaurus: Sounds like a good argument for single-payer, Subby.

So you're going to take the same people who couldn't run an insurance website and put them in charge of running the entire show?

/That outta be hilarious...


You can always vote in more competent people.
 
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