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(The Atlantic)   A look at Netflix's "recommended movies" algorithm   (theatlantic.com) divider line 85
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2014-01-03 12:08:36 AM
Post-Apocalyptic Comedies About Friendship

Gosh, those are good, no? The second you read one, don't you just want that movie to exist? Can't you just imagine it? All that to say, Gonzo, for me, is films that should exist but won't.


Dunno, this one comes pretty close:

www.highdefdigest.com
 
2014-01-03 12:11:30 AM
I wonder if anyone's ever tried to do a similar data mining thing with TVTropes?
 
2014-01-03 12:15:59 AM

fusillade762: I wonder if anyone's ever tried to do a similar data mining thing with TVTropes?


Why did you have to mention TV Tropes? I'm off to kill another hour or two.
 
2014-01-03 12:24:11 AM
Just never say that you love the Lion King, The Jungle Book, and the Sword in the Stone. I have been bombarded with crappy Disney movies ever since.

Slutter McGee
 
2014-01-03 12:25:56 AM
Now that's a great article, I'm so happy that there's at least one magazine left that can still deliver quality. What's the over/under on when the Atlantic goes bust? That's when I'm buying my ticket off-planet.
 
2014-01-03 12:26:03 AM
I'd settle for a worse algorithm that let me use the old site where I could sort by "highest rated movies."
 
2014-01-03 12:27:51 AM
The Venn diagram of movies I love and movies that Netflix streams online looks like MasterCard logo.
 
2014-01-03 12:30:03 AM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I'd settle for a worse algorithm that let me use the old site where I could sort by "highest rated movies."


Ugh this. I remember sorting by rating, release date, actor/director, and having the ability to read user reviews. I miss the old Netflix.
 
2014-01-03 12:31:46 AM
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2014-01-03 12:34:51 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I'd settle for a worse algorithm that let me use the old site where I could sort by "highest rated movies."

Ugh this. I remember sorting by rating, release date, actor/director, and having the ability to read user reviews. I miss the old Netflix.


Now I have to wait for whatever capricious categories it decides to give me for the day. Sometimes they are interesting, most of the time not.
 
2014-01-03 12:35:44 AM
Hmmm....and yet I keep hearing regarding the NSA that metadata doesn't matter and who cares if they collect it because it doesn't reveal anything anyway.

Seems like its a major part of Netflix's business model.
 
2014-01-03 12:43:23 AM
Let me pick the categories, Netflix, and I'd actually like you.
 
2014-01-03 12:47:46 AM
I figured the formula was simply "Offer only 10% of the movies and TV shows you search for, then delete portions of the remaning 10% every once in a while"
 
2014-01-03 12:56:49 AM

Slutter McGee: Just never say that you love the Lion King, The Jungle Book, and the Sword in the Stone. I have been bombarded with crappy Disney movies ever since.

Slutter McGee


Let your kids watch NetFlix. There weren't profiles yet so I have yet to crawl out from under VeggieTales' evil boot.
 
2014-01-03 12:58:12 AM
FTA: "Netflix generously ..."

accepted the free publicity
 
2014-01-03 01:08:08 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I'd settle for a worse algorithm that let me use the old site where I could sort by "highest rated movies."

Ugh this. I remember sorting by rating, release date, actor/director, and having the ability to read user reviews. I miss the old Netflix.


http://instantwatcher.com/ lets you find movies on Netflix in a few different ways including release date, ratings, genre, and lists new/upcoming titles. It's useful for spotting things that their app and site don't often suggest.
 
2014-01-03 01:11:40 AM
My recommendeds tend to be anime, karate flicks and documentaries.

/recently Zombie Ass: Toilet of the Damned showed up under foreign action movies
//im sure it will be academy award winning quality.
 
2014-01-03 01:15:55 AM
Informative article.  Flawed algorithm.  Now I know the reason Sheep, Midgets and Mayonnaise IV keeps appearing in my RECOMMENDED queue.
 
2014-01-03 01:24:46 AM

worlddan: Hmmm....and yet I keep hearing regarding the NSA that metadata doesn't matter and who cares if they collect it because it doesn't reveal anything anyway.

Seems like its a major part of Netflix's business model.


This. Have you ever seen the movie The Game with Michael Douglas? I think companies like Facebook, Google, and Netflix are far closer to that than the government, and there's no oversight, no transparency, with the added bonus of not being on the taxpayer's dime.
 
2014-01-03 01:39:22 AM

fusillade762: Post-Apocalyptic Comedies About Friendship

Gosh, those are good, no? The second you read one, don't you just want that movie to exist? Can't you just imagine it? All that to say, Gonzo, for me, is films that should exist but won't.

Dunno, this one comes pretty close:

[www.highdefdigest.com image 515x755]


that was one of my Dad's favorites, mainly for the end.  good call!
 
2014-01-03 02:04:15 AM
It just recommends movies that are still available.
 
2014-01-03 02:14:08 AM

fusillade762: Post-Apocalyptic Comedies About Friendship

Gosh, those are good, no? The second you read one, don't you just want that movie to exist? Can't you just imagine it? All that to say, Gonzo, for me, is films that should exist but won't.

Dunno, this one comes pretty close:

[www.highdefdigest.com image 515x755]


About two best mates surviving the zombie apocalypse:

fontmeme.com


A group of survivors becoming friends:

www.sonypictures.com


Actor friends and the apocalypse:

www.filmequals.com


Friendship after the machines have wiped humanity from the face of the Earth:

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-03 02:14:25 AM
I like the feature in Amazon's book recommendations that allows you to see why something was recommended and to remove the item from the algorithm if it's sending you bad choices.
For instance, if you buy a Dr. Seuss book as a gift for a friend's kid, you will start getting recommendations for children's books and you can stop that by removing that book from use for recommendations.
I have spent several hours, over the years, fine tuning Amazon's list of my likes and dislikes (regarding books) and it has paid off.
 
2014-01-03 02:15:43 AM
Also, it is more of a drama, but there is also Best Friends Forever.
 
2014-01-03 02:34:09 AM

Mad_Radhu: fusillade762: Post-Apocalyptic Comedies About Friendship

Gosh, those are good, no? The second you read one, don't you just want that movie to exist? Can't you just imagine it? All that to say, Gonzo, for me, is films that should exist but won't.

Dunno, this one comes pretty close:

About two best mates surviving the zombie apocalypse:

A group of survivors becoming friends:

Actor friends and the apocalypse:

Friendship after the machines have wiped humanity from the face of the Earth:


Also, while not "post"

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-03 02:45:50 AM

fusillade762: Mad_Radhu: fusillade762: Post-Apocalyptic Comedies About Friendship

Gosh, those are good, no? The second you read one, don't you just want that movie to exist? Can't you just imagine it? All that to say, Gonzo, for me, is films that should exist but won't.

Dunno, this one comes pretty close:

About two best mates surviving the zombie apocalypse:

A group of survivors becoming friends:

Actor friends and the apocalypse:

Friendship after the machines have wiped humanity from the face of the Earth:

Also, while not "post"


A group of survivors becoming friends and saving the world:
img.fark.net
And its trailer.
 
2014-01-03 02:55:24 AM
www.movieposter.com
 
2014-01-03 03:14:54 AM

bionicjoe: Slutter McGee: Just never say that you love the Lion King, The Jungle Book, and the Sword in the Stone. I have been bombarded with crappy Disney movies ever since.

Slutter McGee

Let your kids watch NetFlix. There weren't profiles yet so I have yet to crawl out from under VeggieTales' evil boot.


Yeah...this.

Every time he hears the PC boot up, I hear, "A BICKEY MOS!"

The new Mickey suuuuuuuccks.
 
2014-01-03 04:06:39 AM
Amazon's algorithm is much better. It's almost scary how accurate it is for the wife and I. The only problem being we own every film/tv show/record the damned thing suggests.

I suppose Netflix is okay, with it's much more limited library.
 
2014-01-03 04:15:22 AM
The other night I watched the new Texas Chainsaw and it suggested I might like other "family reunion movies".

It was appropriate, but still damn weird.
 
2014-01-03 04:18:28 AM

red5ish: I like the feature in Amazon's book recommendations that allows you to see why something was recommended and to remove the item from the algorithm if it's sending you bad choices.
For instance, if you buy a Dr. Seuss book as a gift for a friend's kid, you will start getting recommendations for children's books and you can stop that by removing that book from use for recommendations.
I have spent several hours, over the years, fine tuning Amazon's list of my likes and dislikes (regarding books) and it has paid off.


I'm a used book dealer and I have to check on the occasional listing, completely fills my past searches cue with crap. I have to go in there and zero things out occasionally.
 
2014-01-03 04:42:42 AM
data mining overkill
 
2014-01-03 04:47:06 AM
How many different unique terms that are jammed together in combinations of up to about 5 do you need to generate xx thousand combinations? I'm too drunk to do the math right now, but you certainly don't need anywhere near as many as the article implies.
 
2014-01-03 05:50:00 AM
What's with the large selection of horrible cgi movies on Netflix like 500mph Storm and crocosaurus vs. The big snake or whatever. Christ.
 
2014-01-03 06:15:25 AM

Igor Jakovsky: My recommendeds tend to be anime, karate flicks and documentaries.

/recently Zombie Ass: Toilet of the Damned showed up under foreign action movies
//im sure it will be academy award winning quality.


I watched it a couple days ago. It's pretty much what you would expect, only ten times more insane. Amazingly gross. However, in the end it's just about a girl who struggles to overcome her embarrassment and 'let it out'... so to speak.

/gave it 4 stars
 
2014-01-03 07:27:24 AM
I noticed many years ago that either their algorithm is busted or I'm a weird as hell individual.

It recommended me some NHL Best Of Documentary because I rated "Mongol" 4 stars.

There's a bunch more that popped up with random ass no-connections I could see, but that was the first one.

Maybe Ghengis Khan dug hockey?
 
2014-01-03 08:05:19 AM

ghostfacekillahrabbit: How many different unique terms that are jammed together in combinations of up to about 5 do you need to generate xx thousand combinations? I'm too drunk to do the math right now, but you certainly don't need anywhere near as many as the article implies.


I get 13 or 14 unique terms taken at 5 or fewer combinations giving 8,191 to 16,383 unique groupings, respectively. I think that is what you were asking.
 
2014-01-03 08:30:39 AM
www.jeffs60s.com
Objects
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-01-03 08:46:46 AM
You mean somebody finally invented an algorithm better than "if you liked Led Zeppelin, you might like Jimmy Page"? I hated book and music recommendations because they so rarely offered me anything I couldn't find myself.

(I originally typoed "Lez Zeppelin", which would be a great name for an interwar porn film, which is probably already a Netflix genre.)
 
2014-01-03 09:24:57 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: bionicjoe: Slutter McGee: Just never say that you love the Lion King, The Jungle Book, and the Sword in the Stone. I have been bombarded with crappy Disney movies ever since.

Slutter McGee

Let your kids watch NetFlix. There weren't profiles yet so I have yet to crawl out from under VeggieTales' evil boot.

Yeah...this.

Every time he hears the PC boot up, I hear, "A BICKEY MOS!"

The new Mickey suuuuuuuccks.


This. So much.

When did every kids show become Blues Clues? My parents sat me down in front of the t.v. so they could get some quiet time. I put my kids in front of the t.v. and they are encouraged to shout at it. Is this what we think learning looks like? All they are learning is how to watch football like daddy.
 
2014-01-03 09:32:51 AM

ZAZ: You mean somebody finally invented an algorithm better than "if you liked Led Zeppelin, you might like Jimmy Page"? I hated book and music recommendations because they so rarely offered me anything I couldn't find myself.

(I originally typoed "Lez Zeppelin", which would be a great name for an interwar porn film, which is probably already a Netflix genre.)


I'm pretty sure Lez Zeppelin is an actual lesbian Zeppelin coverband.

I think last.fm is pretty good with their recommendations, at least to the extent that the obvious recommendations aren't as common as the more out-there recommendations.
 
2014-01-03 09:38:33 AM

red5ish: I like the feature in Amazon's book recommendations that allows you to see why something was recommended and to remove the item from the algorithm if it's sending you bad choices.
For instance, if you buy a Dr. Seuss book as a gift for a friend's kid, you will start getting recommendations for children's books and you can stop that by removing that book from use for recommendations.
I have spent several hours, over the years, fine tuning Amazon's list of my likes and dislikes (regarding books) and it has paid off.


And yet, you can't do this with the movies it lists on the Prime section and you can't limit the Recommended section to just those available on Prime.  Also, there are a few obvious plants in their 'recently added' sections.  Payback, or paycheck, or something with Ryan Reynolds, and a couple others have been in said sections for two years plus now.
 
2014-01-03 09:38:58 AM

robohobo: Amazon's algorithm is much better. It's almost scary how accurate it is for the wife and I. The only problem being we own every film/tv show/record the damned thing suggests.

I suppose Netflix is okay, with it's much more limited library.


Yeah, it's tough tell how good Netflix is considering how limited their library is. However Amazon routinely gives me more stuff I'm actually interested in, and seems to weigh quality more in the algorithm.
 
2014-01-03 09:54:35 AM
doesn't matter what they recommend if their entire catalog is crap
 
2014-01-03 09:55:31 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The Venn diagram of movies I love and movies that Netflix streams online looks like MasterCard logo.


Netflix streaming movie selection is absolute crap. I like it for catching up on television series, but that's it. Their movie selection is an insult to intelligence.
 
2014-01-03 10:28:06 AM

bionicjoe: Slutter McGee: Just never say that you love the Lion King, The Jungle Book, and the Sword in the Stone. I have been bombarded with crappy Disney movies ever since.

Slutter McGee

Let your kids watch NetFlix. There weren't profiles yet so I have yet to crawl out from under VeggieTales' evil boot.


The PS3 uses all the different profiles so the wide and kids have their own. Problem is, the Wii U upstairs in the guest room/kids' pay room has Netflix, but only uses the master account. So in addition to my kids' various Nick and Disney shows, any houseguest we have contributes to my odd list of suggestions.

Thanks to my aunt's visit with my mother last month, Netflix is quite sure I would love Duck Dynasty, Storage Wars, and a multitude of Rob Schnider films.
 
2014-01-03 10:35:30 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The Venn diagram of movies I love and movies that Netflix streams online looks like MasterCard logo.


this!
 
2014-01-03 10:40:59 AM

Shadowknight: bionicjoe: Slutter McGee: Just never say that you love the Lion King, The Jungle Book, and the Sword in the Stone. I have been bombarded with crappy Disney movies ever since.

Slutter McGee

Let your kids watch NetFlix. There weren't profiles yet so I have yet to crawl out from under VeggieTales' evil boot.

The PS3 uses all the different profiles so the wide and kids have their own. Problem is, the Wii U upstairs in the guest room/kids' pay room has Netflix, but only uses the master account. So in addition to my kids' various Nick and Disney shows, any houseguest we have contributes to my odd list of suggestions.

Thanks to my aunt's visit with my mother last month, Netflix is quite sure I would love Duck Dynasty, Storage Wars, and a multitude of Rob Schnider films.


I hope you didn't have to watch any of those with her.
 
2014-01-03 10:44:48 AM

Polish Hussar: Shadowknight: bionicjoe: Slutter McGee: Just never say that you love the Lion King, The Jungle Book, and the Sword in the Stone. I have been bombarded with crappy Disney movies ever since.

Slutter McGee

Let your kids watch NetFlix. There weren't profiles yet so I have yet to crawl out from under VeggieTales' evil boot.

The PS3 uses all the different profiles so the wide and kids have their own. Problem is, the Wii U upstairs in the guest room/kids' pay room has Netflix, but only uses the master account. So in addition to my kids' various Nick and Disney shows, any houseguest we have contributes to my odd list of suggestions.

Thanks to my aunt's visit with my mother last month, Netflix is quite sure I would love Duck Dynasty, Storage Wars, and a multitude of Rob Schnider films.

I hope you didn't have to watch any of those with her.


Thankfully, no. She is one of those that can't sleep without the TV blaring. Luckily she was upstairs so we didn't have to listen to The Big Bang Theory at 120 decibles.
 
2014-01-03 11:02:49 AM
Probably the thing I watch most on Netflix are stand up comedy specials and yet I don't get that as a category and they rarely ever show up in my recommendations for some reason.
 
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