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(CNN)   Get ready for the aluminum F-150. Thanks, Obama   (money.cnn.com) divider line 122
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2014-01-02 07:59:08 PM
Spiffy indeed.  Living in the North my cars rust out long before any serious mechanical issues.
 
2014-01-02 07:59:20 PM
I'm sure this will totally change things for the folks who own these to drive from their suburban house to the mall and back.
 
2014-01-02 08:00:25 PM
This is the obvious logical step in reducing oil use:  Current auto designs use about 2% of their energy actually moving the driver.  Most is used to move the vehicle itself.  Reducing weight reduces energy use.
 
2014-01-02 08:03:19 PM

Skleenar: This is the obvious logical step in reducing oil use:  Current auto designs use about 2% of their energy actually moving the driver.  Most is used to move the vehicle itself.  Reducing weight reduces energy use.


You shut your socialist mouth!

I buy the gas to haul my 4 ton penis extension!


Whargrrbl
 
2014-01-02 08:03:32 PM
This thing needs to have a nickname of The Falcon.
 
2014-01-02 08:04:37 PM
Why the article's insistence that truck buyers give a damn if the vehicle is steel or not? I can't imagine that's an issue. Sure, you can pound out a dent with a sandhammer easier on steel, and you can weld steel yourself a whole lot easier than you can aluminum, but guess what, no home mechanics/bodymen are working on any of this stuff. Those days died in the late-'80s...
 
2014-01-02 08:04:57 PM
Where will F150 drivers stick those magnetic "Support our Troops" signs?

Why not just go full Saturn and use plastics?
 
2014-01-02 08:07:15 PM
Did I miss some joke? What does Obama have to do with this?
 
2014-01-02 08:09:44 PM

Chevello: Where will F150 drivers stick those magnetic "Support our Troops" signs?

Why not just go full Saturn and use plastics?


Hell. Why not go full Trabant and use compressed cardboard? That way you can just pin the ribbons on.
 
2014-01-02 08:09:56 PM

Scrotastic Method: Why the article's insistence that truck buyers give a damn if the vehicle is steel or not? I can't imagine that's an issue. Sure, you can pound out a dent with a sandhammer easier on steel, and you can weld steel yourself a whole lot easier than you can aluminum, but guess what, no home mechanics/bodymen are working on any of this stuff. Those days died in the late-'80s...


That's why I drive an Adobe.
 
2014-01-02 08:11:05 PM
These vehicles should be banned.  They are an environmental disaster, they are inherently dangerous and quite unsightly.   Also, 99.999999% of the "people" that drive them are troglodytes.
 
2014-01-02 08:14:32 PM
30 mpg on a truck? Can I get it in a standard transmission?
/the answer is no. It's always no.
 
2014-01-02 08:14:45 PM

The DBS: Did I miss some joke? What does Obama have to do with this?


According to TFA, automakers are lightening their vehicles to get a head start on future fuel economy targets.
 
2014-01-02 08:16:26 PM

Scrotastic Method: Why the article's insistence that truck buyers give a damn if the vehicle is steel or not? I can't imagine that's an issue. Sure, you can pound out a dent with a sandhammer easier on steel, and you can weld steel yourself a whole lot easier than you can aluminum, but guess what, no home mechanics/bodymen are working on any of this stuff. Those days died in the late-'80s...


Yeah, but is Aluminum TOUGH?
 
2014-01-02 08:22:31 PM
Liked my 'Spam In A Can' headline better.

/oblig.
 
2014-01-02 08:23:54 PM

Daikiki: Chevello: Where will F150 drivers stick those magnetic "Support our Troops" signs?

Why not just go full Saturn and use plastics?

Hell. Why not go full Trabant and use compressed cardboard? That way you can just pin the ribbons on.


When it gets wet the towing capacity goes down. Because, you know everyone who drives one drives through rivers and giant mud puddles on the worksite all the time.
 
2014-01-02 08:23:59 PM

Propain_az: These vehicles should be banned.  They are an environmental disaster, they are inherently dangerous and quite unsightly.   Also, 99.999999% of the "people" that drive them are troglodytes.


Guess not everybody can rock a Smart Car like you.
 
2014-01-02 08:26:03 PM
I'm 6'5". I tried one of those Smart cars. Almost popped my kneecap off between the door and steering wheel.

I had a 2000 S-10 extended cab pickup. In 2008 I tried a new one and the roofline must have dropped four inches because I damn near broke my neck getting in.

You farkers keep insisting on taking an inch out here, an inch there, but I'm not getting any shorter.
 
2014-01-02 08:26:48 PM

StrikitRich: Propain_az: These vehicles should be banned.  They are an environmental disaster, they are inherently dangerous and quite unsightly.   Also, 99.999999% of the "people" that drive them are troglodytes.

Guess not everybody can rock a Smart Car like you.


Nah, I have a 2012 Dodge Charger and an old 2001 Ford Ranger.
 
2014-01-02 08:30:32 PM

Chevello: Where will F150 drivers stick those magnetic "Support our Troops" signs?

Why not just go full Saturn and use plastics?


GM introduced the option of a composite plastic bed in 2001, and pulled it two years later because the take rate was so low.  I could see it being more popular today though.

ajgeek: 30 mpg on a truck? Can I get it in a standard transmission?
/the answer is no. It's always no.


Modern automatics get better fuel economy than manuals (usually because of higher gear ratios at the top end, but advanced computer controls that can keep the truck in higher gears more often also play a role).  Plus, you get the torque multiplication effect that gives you better pulling power from a stop.
 
2014-01-02 08:33:44 PM

Propain_az: StrikitRich: Propain_az: These vehicles should be banned.  They are an environmental disaster, they are inherently dangerous and quite unsightly.   Also, 99.999999% of the "people" that drive them are troglodytes.

Guess not everybody can rock a Smart Car like you.

Nah, I have a 2012 Dodge Charger and an old 2001 Ford Ranger.


A modern F-150 gets better fuel economy than your 2001 Ranger.  Now, you could argue that if Ford had continued to develop the Ranger it could have gotten better economy than the larger, heavier, F-150, but the market for small trucks has gotten softer year after year.

Still, GM is reintroducing the Colorado/Canyon with a completely new design next year, and it's going to be offered with a 4 cylinder diesel in the second model year, which should get great mileage.
 
2014-01-02 08:35:10 PM
They should make them out of titanium. Its light, strong, corrosion resistant, and you can't say it without saying "tit".
 
2014-01-02 08:43:47 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Propain_az: StrikitRich: Propain_az: These vehicles should be banned.  They are an environmental disaster, they are inherently dangerous and quite unsightly.   Also, 99.999999% of the "people" that drive them are troglodytes.

Guess not everybody can rock a Smart Car like you.

Nah, I have a 2012 Dodge Charger and an old 2001 Ford Ranger.

A modern F-150 gets better fuel economy than your 2001 Ranger.  Now, you could argue that if Ford had continued to develop the Ranger it could have gotten better economy than the larger, heavier, F-150, but the market for small trucks has gotten softer year after year.

Still, GM is reintroducing the Colorado/Canyon with a completely new design next year, and it's going to be offered with a 4 cylinder diesel in the second model year, which should get great mileage.


True, and my Ranger is a standard, but still, it averages about 20 MPG (mixed driving).
 
2014-01-02 08:45:44 PM

poorjon: They should make them out of titanium. Its light, strong, corrosion resistant,

really really expensive and you can't say it without saying "tit".
 
2014-01-02 08:47:53 PM
I'm wondering how aluminum will stand up to a beating.  Can't be a bad thing if it works...
 
2014-01-02 08:51:26 PM
I would so (think strongly) about buying a special edition with an aluminum body and limited paint. Maybe matte black on the hood and the lower panels.
 
2014-01-02 08:53:15 PM
In Jamaica growing up, we used to refer to them as Foil-150, because they crumple up like aluminium foil at the slightest impact. Hilarious it has actually come to pass.

/yes, I said aluminium
 
2014-01-02 08:59:02 PM
My truck is 22 years old and gets 25MPG (highway) right now.

/Okay, it is a diesel.
 
2014-01-02 09:01:36 PM
If Ford did this right and found an alloy of aluminum that has the same or greater strength than the steel they removed they will be fine, it comes down to whether or not Ford spent the money to properly prepare for the change.
 
2014-01-02 09:01:38 PM

Scrotastic Method: Why the article's insistence that truck buyers give a damn if the vehicle is steel or not? I can't imagine that's an issue. Sure, you can pound out a dent with a sandhammer easier on steel, and you can weld steel yourself a whole lot easier than you can aluminum, but guess what, no home mechanics/bodymen are working on any of this stuff. Those days died in the late-'80s...


I do all my own work on my '96 GMC.

/I am too cheap to pay someone
//I would love it if the body was aluminum and the frame stainless steel
 
2014-01-02 09:03:16 PM

Opiate of the Lasses: /yes, I said aluminium


Do you also say plantinium, molybdenium and tantalium?
 
2014-01-02 09:05:05 PM
 
2014-01-02 09:08:13 PM
Good. It really is cool all that they've done to increase fuel economy in those trucks in the last 10 years or so.
 
2014-01-02 09:10:49 PM

RogermcAllen: Spiffy indeed.  Living in the North my cars rust out long before any serious mechanical issues.


Audi A8s are aluminum and they don't have corrosion issues.

On the other hand, five words: F-150 fuel pump control module.

Or is that "six words and a letter"?  Either way they corrode like nobody's business, because some genius decided to attach them above the spare tire where salt spray gets blown up.

So:  It works great on a $120k car that can be designed with a high profit margin.
 
2014-01-02 09:14:20 PM

StrikitRich: Guess not everybody can rock a Smart Car like you.


Four years ago while looking at cars we ended up on a Toyota lot which had a bunch of Smartcars on the sidewalk.  A father with his daughter were walking near us and the little girl exclaimed: "oh look - baby cars!"

I still break out laughing whenever I see one.

/we bought a VW
//absolutely no issues with it
 
2014-01-02 09:16:24 PM
TuteTibiImperes:

A modern F-150 gets better fuel economy than your 2001 Ranger.  Now, you could argue that if Ford had continued to develop the Ranger it could have gotten better economy than the larger, heavier, F-150, but the market for small trucks has gotten softer year after year.

The problem is that a Ranger cost just about as much to make as an F150, but you can't charge F150 prices for a Ranger.  And they don't need it anymore to bring their truck CAFE up, since they make so many car-based vehicles that legally are trucks yet get great fuel economy.

I mean, have you seen the new Escapes and Explorers?  Yowza.  They're putting little baby four-cylinders in them and working the heck out of reducing aero and mechanical losses.  The delivery services are buying the hell out of Transits, too.

/it's about time they started selling Transits in the US.  Ford probably got pissy over people replacing their Rangers with PT Cruisers and HHRs.
 
2014-01-02 09:19:14 PM

Snapper Carr: The DBS: Did I miss some joke? What does Obama have to do with this?

According to TFA, automakers are lightening their vehicles to get a head start on future fuel economy targets.

Thanks. I missed the connection.
 
2014-01-02 09:19:19 PM
Wow... originally having lived lived in the Northeast, I am excited about this.

As a consumer that enjoys his trucks lasting even longer than they already do, I support this.

As a consumer that hates paying at the pump I support this.

As a consumer that wants another 400 lbs of usable load, I support this.

DAMNIT.  Now I want a F150.  I really just wish my little Tacoma was diesel....
 
2014-01-02 09:23:00 PM

aerojockey: poorjon: They should make them out of titanium. Its light, strong, corrosion resistant, really really expensive and you can't say it without saying "tit".


Ti is cheap. Really really cheap.  Like, they use it as pigment for paints and makeup and toothpaste.  You're brushing your teeth with Ti.

Now, refining it into a metal, that's really expensive, because it takes something like two or three very energy-expensive processes and no small amount of manganese as a sacrifical material, depending on the process.  I understand that Soviet Ti is relatively inexpensive because they'd just build an on-site nuke plant to provide the necessary power.

And then there are the issues with working with the metal.  Some of the more useful alloys are VERY difficult to work.  I remember one bike that was made out of 6Al4.5V that had triangular tubing welded up from strips of flat stock because you simply can't bend the stuff without stressing it too much.

And then there's the next issue - welding.  It makes welding aluminum look easy.  It has to be done in a completely oxygen free environment, and I doubt you can spot-weld the stuff.  You can spot-weld aluminum but it is very energy intensive.  One Ford study found that they could make a Taurus out of aluminum, but the spot welding section of the assembly plant would use more power than the entire rest of the plant combined...
 
2014-01-02 09:25:16 PM
What kinda pussy ass unamerican shiat is built out of aluminum..

www.fas.org
 
2014-01-02 09:26:53 PM
Carbon fiber would be cooler.
 
2014-01-02 09:31:01 PM

Scrotastic Method: Why the article's insistence that truck buyers give a damn if the vehicle is steel or not? I can't imagine that's an issue. Sure, you can pound out a dent with a sandhammer easier on steel, and you can weld steel yourself a whole lot easier than you can aluminum, but guess what, no home mechanics/bodymen are working on any of this stuff. Those days died in the late-'80s...


I think a lot of people may take to the aluminum body in northern climates, since salt won't destroy the body.  Also, you would be surprised by how many people I see around here fixing their cars themselves as oppose to paying a shop.  They are easy to spot, as they don't bother repainting the car if the fix involves replacing a panel.  Trade school classes for this kind of thing is just a couple miles away if I want to get into it.

Chevello: Where will F150 drivers stick those magnetic "Support our Troops" signs?

Why not just go full Saturn and use plastics?


My 2003 Ford Expedition can't support magnetic signs now, so no real change.  The hatch is fiberglass, which not only reduces weight in general, it reduces weight on the hatch struts and cures the possibility of rust on the hatch.  I am okay with this.  It isn't like the steel hatch on my minivan did me any good.
 
2014-01-02 09:38:15 PM

Propain_az: These vehicles should be banned.  They are an environmental disaster, they are inherently dangerous and quite unsightly.   Also, 99.999999% of the "people" that drive them are troglodytes.


Amen. Unless you're using a truck to move materials TO and FROM a job site, you simply look like a tremendous tool.
 
2014-01-02 09:38:40 PM

Mister Peejay: TuteTibiImperes:

A modern F-150 gets better fuel economy than your 2001 Ranger.  Now, you could argue that if Ford had continued to develop the Ranger it could have gotten better economy than the larger, heavier, F-150, but the market for small trucks has gotten softer year after year.

The problem is that a Ranger cost just about as much to make as an F150, but you can't charge F150 prices for a Ranger.  And they don't need it anymore to bring their truck CAFE up, since they make so many car-based vehicles that legally are trucks yet get great fuel economy.

I mean, have you seen the new Escapes and Explorers?  Yowza.  They're putting little baby four-cylinders in them and working the heck out of reducing aero and mechanical losses.  The delivery services are buying the hell out of Transits, too.

/it's about time they started selling Transits in the US. Ford probably got pissy over people replacing their Rangers with PT Cruisers and HHRs.


The Transit was introduced to the  US Market in 2009, you need to get out of the  basement more.
 
2014-01-02 09:48:22 PM

Azlefty: Mister Peejay: TuteTibiImperes:

A modern F-150 gets better fuel economy than your 2001 Ranger.  Now, you could argue that if Ford had continued to develop the Ranger it could have gotten better economy than the larger, heavier, F-150, but the market for small trucks has gotten softer year after year.

The problem is that a Ranger cost just about as much to make as an F150, but you can't charge F150 prices for a Ranger.  And they don't need it anymore to bring their truck CAFE up, since they make so many car-based vehicles that legally are trucks yet get great fuel economy.

I mean, have you seen the new Escapes and Explorers?  Yowza.  They're putting little baby four-cylinders in them and working the heck out of reducing aero and mechanical losses.  The delivery services are buying the hell out of Transits, too.

/it's about time they started selling Transits in the US. Ford probably got pissy over people replacing their Rangers with PT Cruisers and HHRs.

The Transit was introduced to the  US Market in 2009, you need to get out of the  basement more.


The Transit Connect came out around then, the full size Transit is coming out this summer.  The HHR and PT Cruiser have gone to the great rust heap in the sky, but Dodge is bringing over rebadged Fiat Euro-style vans (including a small one based on the Doblo I believe) and GM has a small Euro style van in the works.

Those kind of vehicles make a ton of sense with rising gas prices though, so it's no wonder they've become popular.
 
2014-01-02 09:55:40 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Still, GM is reintroducing the Colorado/Canyon with a completely new design next year, and it's going to be offered with a 4 cylinder diesel in the second model year, which should get great mileage.


Do want... Wait who designed the desiel?

I love compact/mid sized trucks.  Full sizes are just too dang big.
 
2014-01-02 09:56:16 PM
Ford F-150's

The truck that everyone and their dad drives, and yet each and every single one of them think they are hot shiat on the road.
 
2014-01-02 09:59:47 PM

Mister Peejay: Ford probably got pissy over people replacing their Rangers with PT Cruisers and HHRs.


I don't know one person who decided a small truck is worth giving up to drive a grandma mobile.  And yes, PT Cruisers and HHRs are old people cars.  A tiny sedan is no replacement for have a bed for junk and towing ability.  The transit does makes sense and has been out for a while.  I see them all over the place.
 
2014-01-02 10:03:09 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-02 10:09:06 PM

Saiga410: TuteTibiImperes: Still, GM is reintroducing the Colorado/Canyon with a completely new design next year, and it's going to be offered with a 4 cylinder diesel in the second model year, which should get great mileage.

Do want... Wait who designed the desiel?

I love compact/mid sized trucks.  Full sizes are just too dang big.


From what I've read it's a GM designed engine, co-developed between the US and European engineering teams as a worldwide engine.

lack of warmth: Mister Peejay: Ford probably got pissy over people replacing their Rangers with PT Cruisers and HHRs.

I don't know one person who decided a small truck is worth giving up to drive a grandma mobile.  And yes, PT Cruisers and HHRs are old people cars.  A tiny sedan is no replacement for have a bed for junk and towing ability.  The transit does makes sense and has been out for a while.  I see them all over the place.


I've seen a number of HHRs in commercial applications, not really any PT Cruisers that I can recall.  For commercial applications the towing capacity isn't that big of a deal for small trucks and vans - businesses will buy the bigger trucks for towing if they need it, but a lot of places just need to cart stuff around here and there and a small van has a lot of advantages over a truck for keeping the cargo secure and dry.

Every dealership and auto supply store has a few parts runner cars, and anything they're carrying around can be fit into the back of a small van as easily as a pickup bed.  For tradesmen those little vans also have rack and bin packages as well as ladder racks options to outfit them however someone needs.
 
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