Nabb1: I'm no football expert, though I do argue about it on the internet a lot, but there is little doubt in my mind that the Vikings go rid of Kluwe because of his outspokenness. He was definitely one of the better punters in the League, the best Minnesota had ever had, and I was rather surprised when the Vikings drafted a punter in the fifth round.
machoprogrammer: Gosling: MoeSzyslak: KEEP ME AROUND AND PAY ME THREE TIMES WHAT A BETTER REPLACEMENT MAKES OR YOU ARE A BUNCH OF GAY HATING BIGOTS!!!!The Vikings also spent a 5th-round draft pick. I'd say that's a rather high price to be paying for a punter.Not really. That is just bad drafting if anything; most punters go undrafted then get signed as rookie free agents.If anything, it shows how much Minnesota wanted a better punter. Stats show that Kluwe was not a very good punter, which is likely the main reason he got cut.
MoeSzyslak: Is there a show that will cost A&E 1/3 as much and get equal or higher ratings than Duck Dynasty with the added benefit of appeasing the OUTRAGED BECAUSE SOME GUY ON SOME SHOW SAID SOMETHING IN A MAGAZINE crowd waiting in the wings for A&E to pickup instead? Of course not.
steamingpile: Gosling: bluenote13: And why did they keep all those guys instead of Kluwe? $$$. As an 8 year yet he gets 1.2 million versus 500k for the other guys. When there is a cap, every cent counts and unless you have Andy Lee or Shane Lechtler you don't pay punters that kind of money.They certainly didn't keep those guys over Kluwe because of talent. Kluwe may not be the best punter around, but I'd absolutely want him over Podlesh, Moorman or Powell. A good punter may not need to cost you money, but a bad one's going to cost you games.The problem as I think you stated but others missed is that any team that signed him would have had to take a $1.2M hit and keep him on the roster all year which would have meant he had to have a hell of a tryout.Now he had a good shot at coming back next year, at a reduced rate, except now that hes shot his mouth off most teams wouldnt touch him thinking hes going to be a problem in the locker room. Basically hes a moron.
Actual Farking: scottydoesntknow: Man could you imagine the outrage if a coach told Tebow to cool it with the Jesus stuff?I can just see him literally hanging himself from a mock crucifix in front of the stadium.
boyofd: On the other hand, his replacement had almost identical stats, so it seems like a stretch to believe that he was replaced solely for talent/production reasons.
Bad Man Jose: egomann: BTW, I hope none of those coaches ever get a job in the NFL again and if anyone google's thier name it comes to this article first.Leslie Frazier is going to be the DC for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Transpogue: Bad Man Jose: Bunny Deville: I figured something like this had happened. I'm glad he had the courage and integrity to stand up for his beliefs, but I miss watching him play.My problem with this statement is that he waited a year, figured he was not going to be signed and then made a spectacle of the situation.Sounds like all of the bridges were dismantled before he decided to burn them.It seems that a big reason why he held off was because there were players on the Vikings he cared about, and he didn't want to jeopardize their ability to be cohesive by stirring up shiat about the coaching staff.Given the circumstances, I don't think there is any "right" way to handle this. I have no doubt that if Kluwe was playing lights out, it would have been harder to justify the firing, but I still think- with the way that team runs things- they would have still let him go.
twistedmetal: Speech is not always free, and doing the right thing is sometimes costly./a clear conscious is priceless
FreeLawyer: Although at $1.2 million Kluwe was making more than the veterans minimum, his contract could have been restructured to bring it down to the veterans minimum (between $715,000 and $940,000). Under the minimum salary benefit, the cap hit would be approximately the rookie minimum. http://overthecap.com/explaining-the-minimum-salary-benefit/
Bad Man Jose: Bunny Deville: I figured something like this had happened. I'm glad he had the courage and integrity to stand up for his beliefs, but I miss watching him play.My problem with this statement is that he waited a year, figured he was not going to be signed and then made a spectacle of the situation.Sounds like all of the bridges were dismantled before he decided to burn them.
Bunny Deville: I figured something like this had happened. I'm glad he had the courage and integrity to stand up for his beliefs, but I miss watching him play.
Super Chronic: I choose to believe that both sides are partially right. Mike Priefer is a raging asshole and homophobe; Chris Kluwe is nothing special as a punter and not irreplaceable.
IAmRight: DamnYankees: Saw this posted on another board - seems a little damning:Here are the stats for Kluwe the year he was released.*31st in NFL in punts inside the 20*22nd in NFL in avg punt yardage*32nd in NFL for long punt*17th in NFL in net yardageWell, "long punt" is a stupid stat to cite. But yeah, he was a mediocre punter. So the reason he probably can't get a job is for another reason - otherwise someone would go ahead and pick him up for minimum; after all, half the teams have guys who are below average.But the added "hassle" from an organizational perspective probably isn't worth it, even if you agree with his politics.
netweavr: Why is this only being published now if he wrote it last April?
scottydoesntknow: netweavr: Why is this only being published now if he wrote it last April?FTA: Some will ask why I waited so long to tell this story. It's a fair question, and I have two answers. The first is that I still have friends on the Vikings, and opening up something like this during the season would not help them focus on their jobs. By doing it now, I hope they don't have to answer questions about an issue that concerns only four people, and I hope the issue will have died down before next season starts.The second is that I wanted to prove I still had the physical ability to compete in the NFL. I can still hit the ball 45 yards outside the numbers with good hangtime, and at the tryouts I've had this year I've gotten praise from the scouts and personnel people on hand, but for whatever reason I cannot find a job. (Side note: My numbers from last year would put me right in the middle of the pack for this year, and I've traditionally been in the middle to top third of punters each year).However, it's clear to me that no matter how much I want to prove I can play, I will no longer punt in the NFL, especially now that I've written this account. Whether it's my age, my minimum veteran salary, my habit of speaking my mind, or (most likely) a combination of all three, my time as a football player is done. Punters are always replaceable, at least in the minds of those in charge, and I realize that in advocating noisily for social change I only made it easier for them to justify not having me around. So it goes.He wanted to see if another team would pick him up. Now that he's decided (or resigned to the fact) he won't ever play in the NFL again, might as well air his grievances, even if Festivus is over.
sigdiamond2000: The response to this from the jocksniffer set should be interesting.We'll surely get some "sanctity of the locker room" bullsh*t mixed with a dose "who cares? why is this a story" and a dash of some derivation of "shoving it down our throats."
Shame Us: The allegations about Pfeifer's behavior are fairly damning. Not shocking or surprising at all really, but you can't do that shiat in the workplace. As we've seen this year, the NFL might do well to remember that its teams are still, at the base, employers and subject to the laws that govern any business when it comes to the workplace environment. Being derided by your immediate superior for differing political views is against the rules.
Marcus Aurelius: It sounds to me like Leslie Frazer is a raging homophobe. Which is not what I'd expect from a man named Leslie.
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