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2014-01-02 08:54:51 PM

BigOle8point: If they punted from their own 20 yard line every time, I would agree with you however, 31st and 32nd out of 32 is statistically the worst. But my argument was, no matter how you or I or Kluwe spins it, he did not perform up to the expected standard that he was contracted for.


The long punt is not a statistic of any relevance. When you kick 80 times, who gives a flying f*ck if a punt returner screwed up on whether or not he should fair-catch a punt and it rolled for a bunch of extra yards one time? It's not a reflection of anything the punter did.

Oh, and he was 30th if you can count properly, in any case - two teams had punts that went 58 yards. His went 59. If the ball bounced an extra five yards on that punt, say, he'd be tied for 20th. It's a stupid "stat".
 
2014-01-02 08:56:24 PM
I'm a huge Vikings fan and a huge fan of Kluwe. This whole thing sucks. I always admired him for his outspoken views because I agreed so much with what he said. It doesn't seem like him to make shiat up, so i'm inclined to believe what he said transpired.

I do agree, however, that it could be easily argued he was released for financial reasons. He was an average punter at best.

/really disappointing by Leslie, didn't love him as a coach, but I don't have a lot of respect for his character anymore
 
2014-01-02 08:58:59 PM

Actual Farking: scottydoesntknow: Man could you imagine the outrage if a coach told Tebow to cool it with the Jesus stuff?

I can just see him literally hanging himself from a mock crucifix in front of the stadium.


He'll have to ask Kluwe to get off it first.
 
2014-01-02 09:00:17 PM
A simple solution would be to just hire Alec Baldwin as the new special teams coach and then no matter what he says we can all just chuckle and it's just Alec being Alec.
 
2014-01-02 09:01:51 PM
Man, some attention whores just don't get when their 15 minutes are up.
 
2014-01-02 09:04:07 PM

steamingpile: Oh wait I just saw why IAR defends him, he's a pac12 player, he defend anyone from the pac12.


I actually forgot he went to UCLA until you mentioned it. As I've already said, he was mediocre and overpaid. All I'm saying is that legitimate statistics rather than stupid sh*t like "longest punt" put him in the mediocre range of punters rather than among the worst in the league.

I basically agree with everything that's been said in this thread that the NFL is all about "the grass that grows the tallest is the first to get cut" and that punters are very expendable, and that the Vikings had good reason to replace him. I'd just like people to stick to truths instead of using dumbass sh*t like "longest punt."

Again, that's like using "longest pass" as a measure of quarterbacking excellence.

Here's your Top 3 in the NFL in longest pass for the season:

Brandon Weeden, Carson Palmer, Matthew Stafford. Who the f*ck cares?
 
2014-01-02 09:06:42 PM

BigOle8point: IAmRight: BigOle8point: You do realize that there are 32 starting punters in the league and he finished last and next to last in two of those categories? Go ahead and spin it anyway you want, but he wasn't worth the contract he was signed to.

You're aware that "long punt" isn't so much of a stat as an oddity (like long pass), and that punts downed inside the 20 are entirely dependent upon a) the team's field position when they punt, and b) the coverage team's ability to recover the ball, right?

He was mediocre, yes. Near the bottom, no.

If they punted from their own 20 yard line every time, I would agree with you however, 31st and 32nd out of 32 is statistically the worst. But my argument was, no matter how you or I or Kluwe spins it, he did not perform up to the expected standard that he was contracted for.


31st in a category that is entirely conditional and 2nd in the league in the categories suggests he was actually punting from pretty far out most of the time (touchbacks). That his net rank was much better than his punt distance rank suggests he was doing exactly as he said: shorter kicks to reduce returns.
 
2014-01-02 09:07:56 PM
Hey guys, Robert Malone had the longest punt in the NFL this year! Maybe the Vikings should've picked him up. He was a league leader!

/he was cut two weeks into the season despite his one 84-yard punt
 
2014-01-02 09:10:02 PM

IAmRight: BigOle8point: If they punted from their own 20 yard line every time, I would agree with you however, 31st and 32nd out of 32 is statistically the worst. But my argument was, no matter how you or I or Kluwe spins it, he did not perform up to the expected standard that he was contracted for.

The long punt is not a statistic of any relevance. When you kick 80 times, who gives a flying f*ck if a punt returner screwed up on whether or not he should fair-catch a punt and it rolled for a bunch of extra yards one time? It's not a reflection of anything the punter did.

Oh, and he was 30th if you can count properly, in any case - two teams had punts that went 58 yards. His went 59. If the ball bounced an extra five yards on that punt, say, he'd be tied for 20th. It's a stupid "stat".


You're getting caught up on trivia. The fact is that he was not worth the money he was being paid and was let go. Even if he was a model employee at every other facet of his job, he was replaced due to his subpar performance alone. His claim that he was let go because of his views is just that, his claim. No one else has backed his claim. Not a single person.
 
2014-01-02 09:14:33 PM

Lost Thought 00: The NFL is an institutionally bigoted organization, and that will never change until Congress enacts laws making their discrimination illegal. If a player or coach uses homophobic language, they should be banned from the league immediately and without restitution.


Those laws are in place now.    NFL teams are going to need their coaches to go through some serious annual (quarterly?) HR training the way this decade is going, the 'sue the NFL workplace because it is essentially middle school stupid on steroids' lawsuit era has just begun.   I can't imagine them not losing the first few of these cases.   Sure some settlements will happen, but someone will go all the way to a courtroom at some point.  That  will be good TV too.

TLDR:  "Begun the NFL HR wars have."
 
2014-01-02 09:15:14 PM

ariseatex: netweavr: Vikings responded already

FTFR: As an organization, the Vikings consistently strive to create a supportive, respectful and accepting environment for all of our players, coaches and front office personnel. We do not tolerate discrimination at any level. The team has long respected our players' and associates' individual rights, and, as Chris specifically stated, Vikings ownership supports and promotes tolerance, including on the subject of marriage equality.

Sounds like they'll be investigating the "nuke the gays" comment (if Kluwe's statement is accurate, there were plenty of witnesses), as it doesn't sound like the type of organization that would accept that on company time.  Priefer's days may be numbered there.


Unless it involves millions of bucks from the NFL coffers due to lawsuits, Goodell won't give a shiat.
 
2014-01-02 09:16:54 PM

This Looks Fun: Regardless of why he was released, this Vikes fan was sad to see him go. If he was released for his speech, we'll never know because his play was mediocre enough and his salary was high enough to (almost) justify it. Kind of hard to explain why he is out of work though. That he, Ayanbadejo , and Collins are all out of work is... interesting.


Ayanbadejo is a 37 year old primarily special teams LB on a team with cap issues. He was replaced for the same reasons the Vikings claim Kluwe was - roughly equal performance from much cheaper players. Also, he pretty much stated that himself when he was cut and was totally cool with it and happy with the Ravens in general. As a Ravens fan, I still would have liked to see him come back, but that's business.

ariseatex: DamnYankees: ariseatex: The most damaging quote in question happened during a ST meeting according to Kluwe's account.  They're the only ones who could confirm or deny the "Nuke the gays" comment.

I know, I was kidding.

Never can be too sure.


You can be sure because his examples of "real team leaders" included Cassel...
 
2014-01-02 09:20:23 PM
Kinda seems, given his history, that he was fired for being a vulgar and insufferable know-it-all who was also a punter, meaning he could be replaced at a moment's notice.

Why, from a business/winning standpoint, would the Vikings organization keep him around when he was a distraction to the team and a potential public relations problem (moreso for the childish language than the gay-marriage stance)?

If I understand correctly, he was also on the verge of earning the veteran's minimum salary.  So why pay more for a guy who isn't really worth the potential trouble caused?  The Vikings have no reason to justify themselves in the scope of larger social justice.

The fact that he wrote a whiny and self-indulgent article reaming his bosses really just solidifies the Vikings' decision.
 
2014-01-02 09:22:02 PM
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...and a shiatty punter.
 
2014-01-02 09:24:43 PM

EnormousGreenRageMonster: You can be sure because his examples of "real team leaders" included Cassel...


TWIST: DamnYankees is Cassel's mother.

OtherLittleGuy: Unless it involves millions of bucks from the NFL coffers due to lawsuits, Goodell won't give a shiat.


He'd give a shiat in order to avoid lawsuits that would damage the league's image.
 
2014-01-02 09:28:48 PM
OtherLittleGuy:

Unless it involves millions of bucks from the NFL coffers due to lawsuits, Goodell won't give a shiat.

Anyone have stats on Kluwe jersey sales and now his outspokenness affected them?   My google skills have failed me today..
 
2014-01-02 09:29:05 PM

BigOle8point: Even if he was a model employee at every other facet of his job, he was replaced due to his subpar performance alone.


Well, no. You can make the argument that he could have been. But they also could have approached him about reducing his contract or, really, anything to let him know that they were looking in a different direction.

As most everyone has said, his opinions and attitude toward those telling him not to may not have been the reason for him being fired, but they are likely a part of his not getting hired by anyone else, and are likely to have played a role in his being let go.

As someone who works in both football and PR, I'd love to have the types of public relations "problems" Kluwe brings.

But I'm not in the NFL so we actually would like people to notice us, as opposed to the NFL which wants everyone not to notice anything behind a facemask.
 
2014-01-02 09:31:02 PM
It's okay, though. Sometimes a work environment is toxic; you're better off leaving it even if it does pay more than anything else you're going to get. Lord knows I've dealt with enough "superiors" who can't get their sh*t straight and demand two opposite things of you while telling you to ignore what the other said, and either way you're going to end up catching hell due to their incompetence.
 
2014-01-02 09:39:29 PM

IAmRight: As someone who works in both football and PR, I'd love to have the types of public relations "problems" Kluwe brings.


I'm curious, what would you do if you were instead in the Vikings PR position, having a former employee point out that "Nuke the gays" comments from current employees went unpunished?
 
2014-01-02 09:42:30 PM

Boxcutta: Actual Farking: scottydoesntknow: Man could you imagine the outrage if a coach told Tebow to cool it with the Jesus stuff?

I can just see him literally hanging himself from a mock crucifix in front of the stadium.

He'll have to ask Kluwe to get off it first.


Fair point.
 
2014-01-02 09:47:58 PM

Neeek: BigOle8point: IAmRight: BigOle8point: You do realize that there are 32 starting punters in the league and he finished last and next to last in two of those categories? Go ahead and spin it anyway you want, but he wasn't worth the contract he was signed to.

You're aware that "long punt" isn't so much of a stat as an oddity (like long pass), and that punts downed inside the 20 are entirely dependent upon a) the team's field position when they punt, and b) the coverage team's ability to recover the ball, right?

He was mediocre, yes. Near the bottom, no.

If they punted from their own 20 yard line every time, I would agree with you however, 31st and 32nd out of 32 is statistically the worst. But my argument was, no matter how you or I or Kluwe spins it, he did not perform up to the expected standard that he was contracted for.

31st in a category that is entirely conditional and 2nd in the league in the categories suggests he was actually punting from pretty far out most of the time (touchbacks). That his net rank was much better than his punt distance rank suggests he was doing exactly as he said: shorter kicks to reduce returns.


You know what kills your argument? The fact no other team picked him up which most likely would have forced him to sign a new deal instead of $1 million for an average punter.

Now that he's put this out there he probably won't get a contract or even an invite to camp for being a team distraction.

He's effectively farked himself for next year as well, good job.
 
2014-01-02 09:48:32 PM

ariseatex: I'm curious, what would you do if you were instead in the Vikings PR position, having a former employee point out that "Nuke the gays" comments from current employees went unpunished?


Obviously you do what they've already done - point out how inclusive the ownership is and that those statements do not represent your organization's viewpoints, say you're investigating the coach and whether or not that was said, etc. If the dude actually said it, it's up to other people to fire him, but you'd hope that within your organizational culture they're not having you say one thing while they lie behind your back.

/haven't really had to deal with any politically-charged things, however
//none of our stories are going to be national unless maybe someone kills someone on the field
 
2014-01-02 09:50:06 PM

steamingpile: You know what kills your argument? The fact no other team picked him up which most likely would have forced him to sign a new deal instead of $1 million for an average punter.


Yeah, because NFL teams have never stayed away from someone with off-field issues despite the fact that the player would be an improvement over the stiffs they have. That's NEVER happened.
 
2014-01-02 09:53:10 PM
This is part of why Richard Sherman will be less noisy when his skills start to decline. The pomp helps you get coverage and people to notice you (when they pretty much never notice defensive players), but when you start becoming less useful, unless you're a franchise-defining player like Ray Lewis, you become more of a liability than an asset and no one else is going to pick you up.

/I pick Sherman because he's probably the current loudest player but he's also smart enough and media-savvy enough to realize what steps he needs to take before he needs to take them
 
2014-01-02 09:54:39 PM
Anyone think that the other reason he decided to publish this now was as a way of shining light on the Aaron Rodgers situation without actually saying anything about it? I mean, how else are you going to say, "shut up and stop trying to drag the guy out of the closet and into a hostile environment," without actually saying anything directly?
 
2014-01-02 09:56:13 PM

rynthetyn: Anyone think that the other reason he decided to publish this now was as a way of shining light on the Aaron Rodgers situation without actually saying anything about it? I mean, how else are you going to say, "shut up and stop trying to drag the guy out of the closet and into a hostile environment," without actually saying anything directly?


It was weird that he didn't mention something about the ST coach being up for the HC position as the reason he published it now - that seemed like it would've been a good, legitimate reason.
 
2014-01-02 09:56:20 PM

IAmRight: BigOle8point: Even if he was a model employee at every other facet of his job, he was replaced due to his subpar performance alone.

Well, no. You can make the argument that he could have been. But they also could have approached him about reducing his contract or, really, anything to let him know that they were looking in a different direction.

As most everyone has said, his opinions and attitude toward those telling him not to may not have been the reason for him being fired, but they are likely a part of his not getting hired by anyone else, and are likely to have played a role in his being let go.

As someone who works in both football and PR, I'd love to have the types of public relations "problems" Kluwe brings.

But I'm not in the NFL so we actually would like people to notice us, as opposed to the NFL which wants everyone not to notice anything behind a facemask.

ariseatex: IAmRight: As someone who works in both football and PR, I'd love to have the types of public relations "problems" Kluwe brings.

I'm curious, what would you do if you were instead in the Vikings PR position, having a former employee point out that "Nuke the gays" comments from current employees went unpunished?


Hold on a second there. It has went unpunished because it hasn't been confirmed as being fact. The only one saying it is Kluwe. All other parties have backed the coach.
 
2014-01-02 09:57:44 PM

rynthetyn: Anyone think that the other reason he decided to publish this now was as a way of shining light on the Aaron Rodgers situation without actually saying anything about it? I mean, how else are you going to say, "shut up and stop trying to drag the guy out of the closet and into a hostile environment," without actually saying anything directly?


Yeah. I mean, other than the fact that Aaron Rodgers not gay and Chris Kluwe makes absolutely everything about Chris Kluwe, that could totally be it.
 
2014-01-02 09:58:25 PM

BigOle8point: All other parties have backed the coach.


Well, one other party has. (The coach himself doesn't count).
 
2014-01-02 10:00:13 PM

rynthetyn: Anyone think that the other reason he decided to publish this now was as a way of shining light on the Aaron Rodgers situation without actually saying anything about it? I mean, how else are you going to say, "shut up and stop trying to drag the guy out of the closet and into a hostile environment," without actually saying anything directly?


I could see that...

I'll be honest, part of me is mad at Kluwe for not saying something sooner.  That way the focus would be on the comments themselves, and they wouldn't get lost behind the "was he fired for being pro-equality?" back and forth.
 
2014-01-02 10:02:36 PM

IAmRight: BigOle8point: All other parties have backed the coach.

Well, one other party has. (The coach himself doesn't count).


The coach counts as much as Kluwe does.
 
2014-01-02 10:09:21 PM
Even if he was becoming too much if a PR problem and his numbers were fading, who the hell drafts a punter in the 4th round?

Seriously that's just strange to me given there are about 50 of them looking for a job every year
 
2014-01-02 10:10:31 PM

rynthetyn: Anyone think that the other reason he decided to publish this now was as a way of shining light on the Aaron Rodgers situation without actually saying anything about it? I mean, how else are you going to say, "shut up and stop trying to drag the guy out of the closet and into a hostile environment," without actually saying anything directly?


Its irrelevant since Rodgers isn't gay and the article was known to be bullshiat but since american laws suck regarding defamation he can't sue and win.
 
2014-01-02 10:11:09 PM

dentalhilljack: It's cool and all to throw the special teams coach under the bus, but shouldn't we wait for some validation from other players that he actually did say the homophobic stuff before branding him with the rainbow iron?


/Nah, this is the Internet!
//Those waitress no-tip receipts were real too!!!!


The Vikings finished last. Most of them are likely to be fearing for their jobs too. They won't say a word.
 
2014-01-02 10:14:15 PM
 
2014-01-02 10:16:49 PM

Agent Nick Fury: A simple solution would be to just hire Alec Baldwin as the new special teams coach and then no matter what he says we can all just chuckle and it's just Alec being Alec.


...and then we fire him. You left out that part.
 
2014-01-02 10:18:25 PM

Gosling: dentalhilljack: It's cool and all to throw the special teams coach under the bus, but shouldn't we wait for some validation from other players that he actually did say the homophobic stuff before branding him with the rainbow iron?


/Nah, this is the Internet!
//Those waitress no-tip receipts were real too!!!!

The Vikings finished last. Most of them are likely to be fearing for their jobs too. They won't say a word.


Pretty much. For the same reason someone as outspoken as Kluwe shut his pie hole while actually working with the guy, no one currently under contract is going to take a shot at him. Especially since it sounds like the organization as a whole respects him (rumours that he was the only in-house guy with a shot at the HC job now that Frazier is gone). Much like no one on the Dolphins would say a word about the coaches, even while the "Did you order the Code Red?" stuff was going around a few months ago.
 
2014-01-02 10:20:29 PM

beergut666: http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2014/01/homophobic_vikings_coach_m i ke_priefers_son_enjoys_calling_people_gay_on_twitter.php

Looks like the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.


I can tell you haven't spent much time around adolescent boys.
 
2014-01-02 10:35:34 PM

IAmRight: Again, that's like using "longest pass" as a measure of quarterbacking excellence.

Here's your Top 3 in the NFL in longest pass for the season:

Brandon Weeden, Carson Palmer, Matthew Stafford. Who the f*ck cares?


Weirdly, it might actually be a better indicator of receiving prowess. Weeden's pass was to Josh Gordon, where he fought for a ball when the defender jumped the route with no help. The Stafford throw was, naturally, to Megatron, who broke a tackle and ran about 60 of his 87 yards.  The middle one is weird, but it also showed the receiver's abilities: Michael Floyd (not Larry Fitzgerald) broke about four tackles on the play and took it to the house.

/The Jags were victims in two of those three, though.
//And Dick Stockton called two of those three.
 
2014-01-02 11:01:26 PM

IlGreven: IAmRight: Again, that's like using "longest pass" as a measure of quarterbacking excellence.

Here's your Top 3 in the NFL in longest pass for the season:

Brandon Weeden, Carson Palmer, Matthew Stafford. Who the f*ck cares?

Weirdly, it might actually be a better indicator of receiving prowess.


On the longest passes, it frequently is. I don't know if it still is, but at the time Shannon Sharpe's 96 yard TD against the Raiders in the Ravens first SB run was the longest in post-season history. Dilfer only threw it about 15 yards in the air, the rest was Sharpe splitting the safeties and hauling ass.
 
2014-01-02 11:01:29 PM

BigOle8point: beergut666: http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2014/01/homophobic_vikings_coach_m i ke_priefers_son_enjoys_calling_people_gay_on_twitter.php

Looks like the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.

I can tell you haven't spent much time around adolescent boys.


So, Dad's either an NFL assistant coach who is a negligent nincompoop who doesn't monitor his son's public twitter usage, or he's content with the banter, supporting the plausibility of the allegations.    Yes, I guess I'm narrating.

IlGreven: Weirdly, it might actually be a better indicator of receiving prowess. Weeden's pass was to Josh Gordon, where he fought for a ball when the defender jumped the route with no help. The Stafford throw was, naturally, to Megatron, who broke a tackle and ran about 60 of his 87 yards.  The middle one is weird, but it also showed the receiver's abilities: Michael Floyd (not Larry Fitzgerald) broke about four tackles on the play and took it to the house.

/The Jags were victims in two of those three, though.
//And Dick Stockton called two of those three.


Dude.   Good stuff.
 
2014-01-02 11:03:26 PM

Boxcutta: rynthetyn: Anyone think that the other reason he decided to publish this now was as a way of shining light on the Aaron Rodgers situation without actually saying anything about it? I mean, how else are you going to say, "shut up and stop trying to drag the guy out of the closet and into a hostile environment," without actually saying anything directly?

Yeah. I mean, other than the fact that Aaron Rodgers not gay and Chris Kluwe makes absolutely everything about Chris Kluwe, that could totally be it.


Aaron Rodgers gave the most unconvincing denial since Tom Daley the diver. And Tom Daley ended up coming out 4 months later. I'm not saying for sure that Rodgers is gay, but considering that the ex-roommate isn't talking and Rodgers gave the kind of denial that didn't actually say he was straight, just "not gay," while simultaneously sounding unconvincing in his hyperbole about liking women, and well, I'm more inclined to believe the rumor now than if he'd kept his mouth shut.
 
2014-01-02 11:26:45 PM
I should also toss in for the record, in addition to Oakland, Kluwe tried out for the Bears, Bills and Bengals.

*The Bears brought in six punters to try out for Adam Podlesh's job, Kluwe included. They stuck with Podlesh.
*The Bills had cut Shawn Powell. Kluwe tried out. They went with Adam Moorman instead.
*The Bengals watched Kevin Huber get decapitated. Kluwe tried out. They went with freshly-cut Shawn Powell instead.
 
2014-01-02 11:38:10 PM

Boxcutta: Actual Farking: scottydoesntknow: Man could you imagine the outrage if a coach told Tebow to cool it with the Jesus stuff?

I can just see him literally hanging himself from a mock crucifix in front of the stadium.

He'll have to ask Kluwe to get off it first.


This.

Sour grapes party of one, your table's ready! Being down with the gay doesn't entitle you to an open ended NFL contract. Especially when you're severely under performing for what you're being paid. He is severely over performing at martyring himself though. So there's that!
 
2014-01-02 11:38:25 PM

Gosling: I should also toss in for the record, in addition to Oakland, Kluwe tried out for the Bears, Bills and Bengals.

*The Bears brought in six punters to try out for Adam Podlesh's job, Kluwe included. They stuck with Podlesh.
*The Bills had cut Shawn Powell. Kluwe tried out. They went with Adam Moorman instead.
*The Bengals watched Kevin Huber get decapitated. Kluwe tried out. They went with freshly-cut Shawn Powell instead.


And why did they keep all those guys instead of Kluwe?  $$$.  As an 8 year yet he gets 1.2 million versus 500k for the other guys.  When there is a cap, every cent counts and unless you have Andy Lee or Shane Lechtler you don't pay punters that kind of money.
 
2014-01-02 11:46:37 PM

bluenote13: And why did they keep all those guys instead of Kluwe? $$$. As an 8 year yet he gets 1.2 million versus 500k for the other guys. When there is a cap, every cent counts and unless you have Andy Lee or Shane Lechtler you don't pay punters that kind of money.


They certainly didn't keep those guys over Kluwe because of talent. Kluwe may not be the best punter around, but I'd absolutely want him over Podlesh, Moorman or Powell. A good punter may not need to cost you money, but a bad one's going to cost you games.
 
2014-01-02 11:47:44 PM
the best part is a football coach claiming you don't talk about "politics or religion" in the nfl.  if that was the case who would everyone give thanks to after every touchdown?
 
2014-01-02 11:53:48 PM

FraggleStickCar: Kinda seems, given his history, that he was fired for being a vulgar and insufferable know-it-all who was also a punter, meaning he could be replaced at a moment's notice.

Why, from a business/winning standpoint, would the Vikings organization keep him around when he was a distraction to the team and a potential public relations problem (moreso for the childish language than the gay-marriage stance)?

If I understand correctly, he was also on the verge of earning the veteran's minimum salary.  So why pay more for a guy who isn't really worth the potential trouble caused?  The Vikings have no reason to justify themselves in the scope of larger social justice.

The fact that he wrote a whiny and self-indulgent article reaming his bosses really just solidifies the Vikings' decision.


As said in this thread, Kluwe was a below average punter making $1.2 million. You can sign an undrafted college player who will do as good of a job (or better) who will make 1/3 that. Kluwe was cut because a guy they could pay 1/3 of his salary can do as good of a job or better. Punters, in general, make near the bottom of salary. Good punters will make more, but Kluwe just wasn't that good of a punter. He was probably ranked 25th or so of the starting punters, which isn't worth even close to $1.2 mil.
 
2014-01-03 12:20:19 AM

bluenote13: And why did they keep all those guys instead of Kluwe?  $$$.  As an 8 year yet he gets 1.2 million versus 500k for the other guys.  When there is a cap, every cent counts and unless you have Andy Lee or Shane Lechtler you don't pay punters that kind of money.


First of all, the Bills went with Brian Moorman, not Adam Moorman or whoever the hell that is. Secondly, Moorman has been punting in the NFL since 2001 so he makes more than the minimum for Kluwe would've been...but he also used to be the Bills punter; they signed him to a 10-year extension at one point then realized they didn't want to keep paying him that much so they cut him a while ago and eventually got him back. (Powell replaced Moorman in Buffalo; then they went and got him back).

So a) other guys aren't making less than he would. b) Neither of the guys you listed are even the highest-paid punters in the league (the Colquitts are Nos. 1 and 2).

Moorman had a worse net average than Kluwe last year while playing in Dallas (so you can't use the weather as an excuse). Adam Podlesh of the Bears posts considerably worse gross and net averages and makes $1.7 million/year.

Of course, Britton Colquitt went from being the No. 3 P in the league in net average last year to No. 24 this year with fewer punts downed inside the 20, so hey, maybe one year of stats isn't particularly meaningful. Johnny Hekker had numbers pretty darn close to Kluwe's last year - this year he was the league's best punter.

machoprogrammer: Kluwe was cut because a guy they could pay 1/3 of his salary can do as good of a job or better.


Well, not really, as the Bills found out with Moorman. They hired an undrafted guy to come take his spot because they didn't want to pay him; he sucked, they ended up cutting him and getting Moorman back. Fortunately, he's a punter so no one cares, but can you imagine if people approached players at other positions this way consistently? Hell, Powell was actually worse than Moorman this year, and Moorman was the fourth-worst punter (net yardage) in the league.
 
2014-01-03 12:21:34 AM

IAmRight: First of all, the Bills went with Brian Moorman, not Adam Moorman or whoever the hell that is


I was only one first letter off.
 
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