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(Deadspin)   Chris Kluwe tells the story of how he was an NFL player until he was fired by "two cowards and a bigot"   (deadspin.com) divider line 253
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2014-01-02 06:09:49 PM  

netweavr: steamingpile: netweavr: desertgeek: If I was him, I would've tried to contact the Vikings owner privately before writing this publicly. But that's just me.

To be fair, he didn't accuse the Vikings organization of anything. Just a few individuals with decision influencing/making positions.

But the same as hes getting traction for his connection to them and he is slightly alluding to them cutting him for his outspoken behavior directly related to their employees.

He explicitly notes the owner of the Vikings congratulating and agreeing with his views.


I had an owner congratulate me on a call after I saved his company a ton of money still didn't stop my immediate supervisor from getting me fired less than a year later since it went opposite of what he wanted and made him look bad.

Still worked out OK, I got a better job then farked him over when he came to us looking for a job after getting shiat canned for his stupidity.
 
2014-01-02 06:10:04 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Would you rather play $9 for a sandwich or $3 for a sandwich if you knew they would taste the same?


People do it all the time.
 
2014-01-02 06:13:07 PM  

Shame Us: Yanks_RSJ: boyofd: On the other hand, his replacement had almost identical stats, so it seems like a stretch to believe that he was replaced solely for talent/production reasons.

His replacement had identical stats and cost one-third as much.

Would you rather play $9 for a sandwich or $3 for a sandwich if you knew they would taste the same?

This is fair. Though it seems strange to me that the Vikings seem to have an attitude toward the punting game that they're totally cool with an average (at BEST) outcome.


Cost seems to be the biggest reason he was let go, besides punting isn't a big deal any longer with the new rules regarding hits above the shoulders.

Most vicious hits I see are usually on punt returns/catches.
 
2014-01-02 06:19:06 PM  

puckrock2000: twistedmetal: Speech is not always free, and doing the right thing is sometimes costly.

/a clear conscious is priceless

So is proper spelling.

/"conscience"

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But did you understand the message?

/but you are correct, sir
 
2014-01-02 06:20:15 PM  

puckrock2000: twistedmetal: Speech is not always free, and doing the right thing is sometimes costly.

/a clear conscious is priceless

So is proper spelling.

/"conscience"

[s2.quickmeme.com image 450x311]


I'll give you a smart vote anyway.
 
2014-01-02 06:24:17 PM  
Obviously every other team that isn't (or didn't) knocking on his door is wrong about his talents too...
 
2014-01-02 06:27:12 PM  

twistedmetal: Speech is not always free, and doing the right thing is sometimes costly.

/a clear conscious is priceless


In an ideal world maybe but we do not live in that world.

If you speak your mind you nullify your rights to whine about it later, you made the choice and it seems he made this article to get attention for ulterior motives.
 
2014-01-02 06:30:56 PM  

Rincewind53: No one likes a guy who rocks the boat and upstages the team.

Except when it's a guy like Tim Tebow the whole Christ thing is considered a "positive"


I'm still convinced that the Patriots brought Tebow to camp because they knew that Aaron Hernandez was going to be A Thing and wanted a little upstaging going on.
 
2014-01-02 06:32:12 PM  

Rincewind53: Kluwe is a really great guy and has demonstrated his bona fides, so I'm very much inclined to believe him here. Mike Preifer should be fired.


I'm pretty sure he went when they canned Leslie Frazier.

/But Rick Spielman remains.
 
2014-01-02 06:42:54 PM  

IlGreven: Rincewind53: Kluwe is a really great guy and has demonstrated his bona fides, so I'm very much inclined to believe him here. Mike Preifer should be fired.

I'm pretty sure he went when they canned Leslie Frazier.

/But Rick Spielman remains.


Preifer is the only in-house candidate for the head coaching position. Almost certainly not anymore.
 
2014-01-02 06:53:12 PM  

DamnYankees: scottydoesntknow: He says he dipped in some areas because the coaches asked him to ("don't punt so far because our special teams coverage sucks at getting down-field to stop them").

That sounds like a pretty bullshiat excuse. I'm inclined to believe Kluwe for political reasons, so I want to make sure I'm taking into account holes in his arguments.


Not sure what you mean is bullshiat...
 
2014-01-02 07:02:43 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: So if he was so good..why is he not playing anywhere again?

I am *NOT* disagreeing with him about his firing.

I am saying there is this whole attitude of "Whelp, I could never get hired again" about him.

"But Jim from Saint Paul, no one wants an old punter."

No, no one wants an OLD punter who asks for money 8 to 10 times as much as a young one does. There's a difference.


As Chad Ochocino, Terrel Owens, and Randy Moss can attest, personality and attitude can directly take away from pure talent when playing in the NFL.

There's tons of people that should be playing in the NFL, but aren't for off the field reasons. Hell, look at Tebow. There are absolutely, five team at a minimum that would have been better overall with him. He's not worth the circus that goes along with him.
 
2014-01-02 07:08:15 PM  
I get that Kluwe has a point, and it's probably a point worthy of outside investigation.

However, their rookie punter is averaging exactly the same yards per punt as Kluwe, while being paid significantly less.  So, while he probably was released for his outspoken opinions, he's also a victim of the "somebody does it just as well for a lot less money" reality of professional sports.
 
2014-01-02 07:14:29 PM  
justtray: There are absolutely, five team at a minimum that would have been better overall with him

Who?
 
2014-01-02 07:14:58 PM  
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
 
2014-01-02 07:18:23 PM  

DamnYankees: scottydoesntknow: He says he dipped in some areas because the coaches asked him to ("don't punt so far because our special teams coverage sucks at getting down-field to stop them").

That sounds like a pretty bullshiat excuse. I'm inclined to believe Kluwe for political reasons, so I want to make sure I'm taking into account holes in his arguments.


Kluwe was a below-average punter making veteran minimum (about 1.2 million versus 400k for a rookie). So it was likely due to the fact they were paying so much for a below-average punter when they could pay a rookie 1/3 of that and get the same (or better) production. Below-average punters don't last long in the league
 
2014-01-02 07:19:58 PM  
Kluwe could have been cut by the Vikings because of what he describes. But he lost his spot on the Raiders this past September because King was a better punter and it wasnt even close.The only thing Kluwe was better than Kimg at was holding for Seabass during field goal attempts. Which is why both punters were still with the Raiders until the final day of cuts. The Raiders decided that punting like a boss was the more important skill for a punter to have. I dont think the Raiders care if Kluwe is loud and blunt nor if he likes being a Hero to Teh Gays. As an organization, the Raiders historically dont really embrace political causes nor do they generally seek out soap boxes to speak against anything outside of football. The Raiders dont much give a fark. You couldnt move the GIVE-A-FARK needle on the Raiders morality meter 5 microns in either direction if you had Tebow Kluwe, Riley Cooper, and Vick to calibrate with.

 Also, speaking of King and LBGBQ stereotypes, have y'all seen that weird butt dance King does every time he is waiting for the snap before he punts? If that swishy dance is any indicator Kluwe may have been replaced in Oakland by the NFL's first closeted Carmen Miranda impersonator

NTTAWWT
 
2014-01-02 07:20:02 PM  

DamnYankees: Here are the stats for Kluwe the year he was released.

*31st in NFL in punts inside the 20
*22nd in NFL in avg punt yardage
*32nd in NFL for long punt
*17th in NFL in net yardag


The first stat depends a lot on where you punt from. If you're standing on your own 15 waiting for the snap, you're not likely to have the ball end up inside the other 20. If a punter is regularly punting from deep inside their own part of the field, you won't see many punts end up inside the 20. It's one of those stats that sounds nice, but without context doesn't mean much.

Net yardage is punt length minus return yardage. If your special teams guys aren't good at bringing down ball carriers, your punter's net yardage is going to suffer. Even if he boots a few 60 yarders, if half of them are returned 20 yards, the net is 40 yards per. So again, it's a statistic that without context doesn't say much. Also since it's very much dependent on the entire special teams unit, it isn't really good for making an indictment against a punter. A guy could lead the league in punt yardage but not even make the top 10 for net yardage if the people in front of him aren't up to snuff.
 
2014-01-02 07:28:52 PM  

boyofd: DamnYankees: Saw this posted on another board - seems a little damning:

Here are the stats for Kluwe the year he was released.

*31st in NFL in punts inside the 20
*22nd in NFL in avg punt yardage
*32nd in NFL for long punt
*17th in NFL in net yardage

Those certainly don't paint a positive picture of his punting, but they also don't paint him as someone likely to get cut because of his abilities.  Also, not only did he have an explanation for why his stats might have suffered slightly last season, but I wonder if his claim (if true) that he was statistically the best punter Minnesota had had means anything.  I noted that in Avg. punting yardage, the punters behind him in 2012 played for: BUF; WSH; PIT; GB; NE; CAR; CHI; CLE; DET.  With the exception of Carolina, those teams all have cold weather games in common.  Obviously, that could explain some of it, although I don't know what difference being inside would make (except Detroit's kicker finished last).

Anyway, it is safe to say that he did not possess enough talent to make himself irreplaceable.  On the other hand, his replacement had almost identical stats, so it seems like a stretch to believe that he was replaced solely for talent/production reasons.


You're right. Money was the other factor, in that he made a lot more than he was worth.
 
2014-01-02 07:30:03 PM  
I think we should have Kluwe and that Duck Dynasty dude have a fight to the death cage match on pay per view tv. Thataway we will only have one of them left screaming loudly from the mountain tops about their politicking for causes being silenced  by their meany-head ex bosses. Winner gets 75% of the purse Widow gets 25%. I think Kluwe could take him but either way would be fine.
 
2014-01-02 07:33:13 PM  

Shame Us: justtray: There are absolutely, five team at a minimum that would have been better overall with him

Who?


This. I'd like to know too.
 
2014-01-02 07:36:48 PM  

WhyteRaven74: DamnYankees: Here are the stats for Kluwe the year he was released.

*31st in NFL in punts inside the 20
*22nd in NFL in avg punt yardage
*32nd in NFL for long punt
*17th in NFL in net yardag

The first stat depends a lot on where you punt from. If you're standing on your own 15 waiting for the snap, you're not likely to have the ball end up inside the other 20. If a punter is regularly punting from deep inside their own part of the field, you won't see many punts end up inside the 20. It's one of those stats that sounds nice, but without context doesn't mean much.

Net yardage is punt length minus return yardage. If your special teams guys aren't good at bringing down ball carriers, your punter's net yardage is going to suffer. Even if he boots a few 60 yarders, if half of them are returned 20 yards, the net is 40 yards per. So again, it's a statistic that without context doesn't say much. Also since it's very much dependent on the entire special teams unit, it isn't really good for making an indictment against a punter. A guy could lead the league in punt yardage but not even make the top 10 for net yardage if the people in front of him aren't up to snuff.


You do realize that there are 32 starting punters in the league and he finished last and next to last in two of those categories? Go ahead and spin it anyway you want, but he wasn't worth the contract he was signed to.
 
2014-01-02 07:37:14 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Rincewind53: Nabb1: I'm no football expert, though I do argue about it on the internet a lot, but there is little doubt in my mind that the Vikings go rid of Kluwe because of his outspokenness. He was definitely one of the better punters in the League, the best Minnesota had ever had, and I was rather surprised when the Vikings drafted a punter in the fifth round.

No one likes a guy who rocks the boat and upstages the team.

Except when it's a guy like Tim Tebow the whole Christ thing is considered a "positive"

Man could you imagine the outrage if a coach told Tebow to cool it with the Jesus stuff?

Kluwe will find work. It won't be with the NFL (he admits he's burning this bridge by publishing the article), but he's too smart to not find something. Hell Blizzard should hire him as a PR spokesman.


Doubt it. Anyone who rocks the boat a little in the NFL gets fired. It's football; the policy is, "keep your mouth shut and dance for the nice people". Despite one being "in the right" and the other "in the wrong", Richie Incognito NOR Jonathan Martin will have a job again. Why do you think broadcasters can get away with using the same old commentary again and again? It doesn't make you think, therefore, it doesn't shake things up for an already massively successful organization.
 
2014-01-02 07:42:42 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Would you rather play $9 for a sandwich or $3 for a sandwich if you knew they would taste the same?


In Kluwe's defense, he seems well aware that his sandwich costs three times as much despite tasting the same. The chronological nature of the article is (I guess) his way to suggest it wasn't just a cut & dry salary cap decision.

I admit that I like the guy so maybe I'm laying one too many rose petals around him on this one, but I read that article as more of a "haha, fark you" to a few people within the organization he didn't like moreso than LOOK AT ME I WAS OPPRESSED FOR MY BELIEFS while blithely ignoring other more rational factors for his release, and to remind us yet again that there are some seriously backward-thinking assholes out there.
 
2014-01-02 07:43:17 PM  
Wait til the Duck Dynasty fans get this news! There's nothing that gets them upset like someone being denied first amendment rights, at least first amendment rights as they believe them to be. Shouldn't be long before Facebook lights up in support of Kluwe.
 
2014-01-02 07:45:45 PM  
Go to Deadspin right now.  When did they stop being fun and turn into a bunch of whiners.

/this article was good
//I hate that they have become a necessary evil
 
2014-01-02 07:48:17 PM  

mikaloyd: I think we should have Kluwe and that Duck Dynasty dude have a fight to the death cage match on pay per view tv. Thataway we will only have one of them left screaming loudly from the mountain tops about their politicking for causes being silenced  by their meany-head ex bosses. Winner gets 75% of the purse Widow gets 25%. I think Kluwe could take him but either way would be fine.



Or we could just let them both continue voicing their opinions in the media they've been provided with.
 
2014-01-02 07:48:19 PM  

rudemix: Wait til the Duck Dynasty fans get this news! There's nothing that gets them upset like someone being denied first amendment rights, at least first amendment rights as they believe them to be. Shouldn't be long before Facebook lights up in support of Kluwe.

 
2014-01-02 07:55:28 PM  

BigOle8point: WhyteRaven74: DamnYankees: Here are the stats for Kluwe the year he was released.

*31st in NFL in punts inside the 20
*22nd in NFL in avg punt yardage
*32nd in NFL for long punt
*17th in NFL in net yardag

The first stat depends a lot on where you punt from. If you're standing on your own 15 waiting for the snap, you're not likely to have the ball end up inside the other 20. If a punter is regularly punting from deep inside their own part of the field, you won't see many punts end up inside the 20. It's one of those stats that sounds nice, but without context doesn't mean much.

Net yardage is punt length minus return yardage. If your special teams guys aren't good at bringing down ball carriers, your punter's net yardage is going to suffer. Even if he boots a few 60 yarders, if half of them are returned 20 yards, the net is 40 yards per. So again, it's a statistic that without context doesn't say much. Also since it's very much dependent on the entire special teams unit, it isn't really good for making an indictment against a punter. A guy could lead the league in punt yardage but not even make the top 10 for net yardage if the people in front of him aren't up to snuff.

You do realize that there are 32 starting punters in the league and he finished last and next to last in two of those categories? Go ahead and spin it anyway you want, but he wasn't worth the contract he was signed to.


You may as well quit arguing with him on this he defends klewe no matter what even though its quite obvious he wasn't worth the $1.2 million.

They could get the same thing paying half the price.
 
2014-01-02 07:56:34 PM  

WhyteRaven74: DamnYankees: Here are the stats for Kluwe the year he was released.

*31st in NFL in punts inside the 20
*22nd in NFL in avg punt yardage
*32nd in NFL for long punt
*17th in NFL in net yardag

The first stat depends a lot on where you punt from. If you're standing on your own 15 waiting for the snap, you're not likely to have the ball end up inside the other 20. If a punter is regularly punting from deep inside their own part of the field, you won't see many punts end up inside the 20. It's one of those stats that sounds nice, but without context doesn't mean much.

Net yardage is punt length minus return yardage. If your special teams guys aren't good at bringing down ball carriers, your punter's net yardage is going to suffer. Even if he boots a few 60 yarders, if half of them are returned 20 yards, the net is 40 yards per. So again, it's a statistic that without context doesn't say much. Also since it's very much dependent on the entire special teams unit, it isn't really good for making an indictment against a punter. A guy could lead the league in punt yardage but not even make the top 10 for net yardage if the people in front of him aren't up to snuff.


The flip-side of that "31st/punts inside the 20 yard-line is that he only had 2 punts all season that went into the end zone for a touchback.

BigOle8point: Shame Us: justtray: There are absolutely, five team at a minimum that would have been better overall with him

Who?

This. I'd like to know too.


Well, his 2012 net average would have placed him in 17th place again in 2013. So right there, that's 15 teams who had punters with a lower net avg. than Kluwe. I'm inclined to think that net avg. is the most important stat for a punter, but perhaps you would argue otherwise. So that leaves money and/or his mouth as pertinent factors.
 
2014-01-02 08:01:17 PM  

DrBenway: WhyteRaven74: DamnYankees: Here are the stats for Kluwe the year he was released.

*31st in NFL in punts inside the 20
*22nd in NFL in avg punt yardage
*32nd in NFL for long punt
*17th in NFL in net yardag

The first stat depends a lot on where you punt from. If you're standing on your own 15 waiting for the snap, you're not likely to have the ball end up inside the other 20. If a punter is regularly punting from deep inside their own part of the field, you won't see many punts end up inside the 20. It's one of those stats that sounds nice, but without context doesn't mean much.

Net yardage is punt length minus return yardage. If your special teams guys aren't good at bringing down ball carriers, your punter's net yardage is going to suffer. Even if he boots a few 60 yarders, if half of them are returned 20 yards, the net is 40 yards per. So again, it's a statistic that without context doesn't say much. Also since it's very much dependent on the entire special teams unit, it isn't really good for making an indictment against a punter. A guy could lead the league in punt yardage but not even make the top 10 for net yardage if the people in front of him aren't up to snuff.

The flip-side of that "31st/punts inside the 20 yard-line is that he only had 2 punts all season that went into the end zone for a touchback.

BigOle8point: Shame Us: justtray: There are absolutely, five team at a minimum that would have been better overall with him

Who?

This. I'd like to know too.

Well, his 2012 net average would have placed him in 17th place again in 2013. So right there, that's 15 teams who had punters with a lower net avg. than Kluwe. I'm inclined to think that net avg. is the most important stat for a punter, but perhaps you would argue otherwise. So that leaves money and/or his mouth as pertinent factors.


He was saying that there were 5 teams that would have been better with Tebow.
 
2014-01-02 08:03:30 PM  
Statement from Priefer, from the Minneapolis Star-Tribune:

I vehemently deny today's allegations made by Chris Kluwe.
I want to be clear that I do not tolerate discrimination of any type and am respectful of all individuals. I personally have gay family members who I love and support just as I do any family member.
The primary reason I entered coaching was to affect people in a positive way. As a coach, I have always created an accepting environment for my players, including Chris, and have looked to support them both on and off the field.
The comments today have not only attacked my character and insulted my professionalism, but they have also impacted my family. While my career focus is to be a great professional football coach, my number one priority has always been to be a protective husband and father to my wife and children.
I will continue to work hard for the Minnesota Vikings, the Wilf family and all of our loyal fans.
 
2014-01-02 08:06:49 PM  

rudemix: Wait til the Duck Dynasty fans get this news! There's nothing that gets them upset like someone being denied first amendment rights, at least first amendment rights as they believe them to be. Shouldn't be long before Facebook lights up in support of Kluwe.


Duck Dynasty guy = millions and millions of dollars for his employer

Minnesota punter = average net yardage per punt at a cost of three times his replacement

If A&E wants to fire the Duck Dynasty guy they have every right to but they won't because neither of these cases has anything to do with first amendment rights or discrimination.

A&E thought they would lose money if they didn't denounce Duck Dynasty guy and they found out they were wrong - maybe the Vikings will think the same thing but I doubt it.

It's all about the money.
 
2014-01-02 08:06:56 PM  

BigOle8point: You do realize that there are 32 starting punters in the league and he finished last and next to last in two of those categories? Go ahead and spin it anyway you want, but he wasn't worth the contract he was signed to.


You're aware that "long punt" isn't so much of a stat as an oddity (like long pass), and that punts downed inside the 20 are entirely dependent upon a) the team's field position when they punt, and b) the coverage team's ability to recover the ball, right?

He was mediocre, yes. Near the bottom, no.
 
2014-01-02 08:08:23 PM  

ariseatex: Statement from Priefer, from the Minneapolis Star-Tribune:

I vehemently deny today's allegations made by Chris Kluwe.
I want to be clear that I do not tolerate discrimination of any type and am respectful of all individuals. I personally have gay family members who I love and support just as I do any family member.
The primary reason I entered coaching was to affect people in a positive way. As a coach, I have always created an accepting environment for my players, including Chris, and have looked to support them both on and off the field.
The comments today have not only attacked my character and insulted my professionalism, but they have also impacted my family. While my career focus is to be a great professional football coach, my number one priority has always been to be a protective husband and father to my wife and children.
I will continue to work hard for the Minnesota Vikings, the Wilf family and all of our loyal fans.


Interesting. It's pretty rare to have two completely opposite accounts of what was said at a meeting when there are third party witnesses. I guess we'll see.
 
2014-01-02 08:11:49 PM  
I like the guy, and think he's right on all of this.

That being said, you lost your job because you're an outspoken punter, not because you're outspoken.
 
2014-01-02 08:14:41 PM  

DamnYankees: ariseatex: Statement from Priefer, from the Minneapolis Star-Tribune:

I vehemently deny today's allegations made by Chris Kluwe.
I want to be clear that I do not tolerate discrimination of any type and am respectful of all individuals. I personally have gay family members who I love and support just as I do any family member.
The primary reason I entered coaching was to affect people in a positive way. As a coach, I have always created an accepting environment for my players, including Chris, and have looked to support them both on and off the field.
The comments today have not only attacked my character and insulted my professionalism, but they have also impacted my family. While my career focus is to be a great professional football coach, my number one priority has always been to be a protective husband and father to my wife and children.
I will continue to work hard for the Minnesota Vikings, the Wilf family and all of our loyal fans.

Interesting. It's pretty rare to have two completely opposite accounts of what was said at a meeting when there are third party witnesses. I guess we'll see.


I agree.

And with the coaching staff being relieved of their duties the other players should have no issue with confirming one way or another - especially as it seems the owner was on the Kluwe's side.
 
2014-01-02 08:15:49 PM  

DamnYankees: ariseatex: Statement from Priefer, from the Minneapolis Star-Tribune:

I vehemently deny today's allegations made by Chris Kluwe.
I want to be clear that I do not tolerate discrimination of any type and am respectful of all individuals. I personally have gay family members who I love and support just as I do any family member.
The primary reason I entered coaching was to affect people in a positive way. As a coach, I have always created an accepting environment for my players, including Chris, and have looked to support them both on and off the field.
The comments today have not only attacked my character and insulted my professionalism, but they have also impacted my family. While my career focus is to be a great professional football coach, my number one priority has always been to be a protective husband and father to my wife and children.
I will continue to work hard for the Minnesota Vikings, the Wilf family and all of our loyal fans.

Interesting. It's pretty rare to have two completely opposite accounts of what was said at a meeting when there are third party witnesses. I guess we'll see.


Sounds like Blair Walsh is coming down on Priefer's side, at least in his public statement.
 
2014-01-02 08:16:54 PM  

BigOle8point: He was saying that there were 5 teams that would have been better with Tebow.


Doh!!! Well, in that case, yeah, add me to the list of the curious too. Hmm... did he specify NFL teams?
 
2014-01-02 08:18:53 PM  

ariseatex: Sounds like Blair Walsh is coming down on Priefer's side, at least in his public statement.


Well, he's defending Priefer generally, but he doesn't really rebut any specific things that Kluwe claimed.

Can we please move off the ST thought? Really, a huge story and the only people who have commented are the punter, kicker and ST coach? Can we get a real team leader in the mix? Matt Cassel, perhaps? Maybe Tarvaris?
 
2014-01-02 08:24:41 PM  

DamnYankees: ariseatex: Sounds like Blair Walsh is coming down on Priefer's side, at least in his public statement.

Well, he's defending Priefer generally, but he doesn't really rebut any specific things that Kluwe claimed.

Can we please move off the ST thought? Really, a huge story and the only people who have commented are the punter, kicker and ST coach? Can we get a real team leader in the mix? Matt Cassel, perhaps? Maybe Tarvaris?


Special teams punter says special teams coach made statements during special teams meeting that special teams kicker refutes but we need someone other than special team players commenting.

Don't worry, I'm sure the ladies on The View will weigh in tomorrow and clear this whole thing up.
 
2014-01-02 08:25:48 PM  

DamnYankees: ariseatex: Sounds like Blair Walsh is coming down on Priefer's side, at least in his public statement.

Well, he's defending Priefer generally, but he doesn't really rebut any specific things that Kluwe claimed.

Can we please move off the ST thought? Really, a huge story and the only people who have commented are the punter, kicker and ST coach? Can we get a real team leader in the mix? Matt Cassel, perhaps? Maybe Tarvaris?


The most damaging quote in question happened during a ST meeting according to Kluwe's account.  They're the only ones who could confirm or deny the "Nuke the gays" comment.

This thread has already shown that directly linking Kluwe's support of marriage equality to his firing would be difficult if not impossible.  The statement itself is more likely to lead to direct action from the Wilfs, if not the NFL.
 
2014-01-02 08:26:52 PM  

ariseatex: The most damaging quote in question happened during a ST meeting according to Kluwe's account.  They're the only ones who could confirm or deny the "Nuke the gays" comment.


I know, I was kidding.
 
2014-01-02 08:28:11 PM  

DamnYankees: ariseatex: The most damaging quote in question happened during a ST meeting according to Kluwe's account.  They're the only ones who could confirm or deny the "Nuke the gays" comment.

I know, I was kidding.


Never can be too sure.
 
2014-01-02 08:31:51 PM  
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/111273/most-important-of- c hris-kluwes-allegations

This is a pretty good summation of how both sides probably feel about the situation
 
2014-01-02 08:32:41 PM  

IAmRight: BigOle8point: You do realize that there are 32 starting punters in the league and he finished last and next to last in two of those categories? Go ahead and spin it anyway you want, but he wasn't worth the contract he was signed to.

You're aware that "long punt" isn't so much of a stat as an oddity (like long pass), and that punts downed inside the 20 are entirely dependent upon a) the team's field position when they punt, and b) the coverage team's ability to recover the ball, right?

He was mediocre, yes. Near the bottom, no.


If they punted from their own 20 yard line every time, I would agree with you however, 31st and 32nd out of 32 is statistically the worst. But my argument was, no matter how you or I or Kluwe spins it, he did not perform up to the expected standard that he was contracted for.
 
2014-01-02 08:46:29 PM  

BigOle8point: IAmRight: BigOle8point: You do realize that there are 32 starting punters in the league and he finished last and next to last in two of those categories? Go ahead and spin it anyway you want, but he wasn't worth the contract he was signed to.

You're aware that "long punt" isn't so much of a stat as an oddity (like long pass), and that punts downed inside the 20 are entirely dependent upon a) the team's field position when they punt, and b) the coverage team's ability to recover the ball, right?

He was mediocre, yes. Near the bottom, no.

If they punted from their own 20 yard line every time, I would agree with you however, 31st and 32nd out of 32 is statistically the worst. But my argument was, no matter how you or I or Kluwe spins it, he did not perform up to the expected standard that he was contracted for.


I keep telling you guys, just quit you won't win with them, they love him for some reason and anything he says is 100% correct. Even though its obvious he was being vastly overpaid for his production on the field.

Oh wait I just saw why IAR defends him, he's a pac12 player, he defend anyone from the pac12.
 
2014-01-02 08:46:29 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/111273/most-important-of- c hris-kluwes-allegations

This is a pretty good summation of how both sides probably feel about the situation


Key points:

I suppose we can note that Kluwe's advocacy had its limits; he wasn't willing to risk his job (or cause further distraction) by going public with the quotes immediately. But timing shouldn't discredit or lessen the impact of the revelation, assuming it is accurate. If that's the case, Priefer's career in the NFL might be over and his words should spark the same industry shakeup as the Miami Dolphins' hazing debacle from earlier this season. 

...

The NFL already was likely to establish new workplace rules when the Dolphins investigation is complete. The primary language in question in Miami was the N-word, but anti-gay sentiments -- in jest or otherwise -- should be considered just as seriously. In light of Kluwe's letter, I would imagine that nascent set of rules is about to get thicker.


The Vikings ownership effectively has two options: fire Priefer, or (if the allegation is false) come out strongly denouncing Kluwe for stirring shiat up.  Anything less not only keeps the story in the limelight, it also associates their organization with bigotry, real or implied.  The owner's statement was pretty middle-of-the-road to somewhat-favorable to Kluwe, but the longer any further action  takes, the worse it makes them look.
 
2014-01-02 08:49:56 PM  

ariseatex: Statement from Priefer, from the Minneapolis Star-Tribune:

I vehemently deny today's allegations made by Chris Kluwe.
I want to be clear that I do not tolerate discrimination of any type and am respectful of all individuals. I personally have gay family members who I love and support just as I do any family member.
The primary reason I entered coaching was to affect people in a positive way. As a coach, I have always created an accepting environment for my players, including Chris, and have looked to support them both on and off the field.
The comments today have not only attacked my character and insulted my professionalism, but they have also impacted my family. While my career focus is to be a great professional football coach, my number one priority has always been to be a protective husband and father to my wife and children.
I will continue to work hard for the Minnesota Vikings, the Wilf family and all of our loyal fans.


I'm not seeing a, "I did not say those things," or a, "I did not tell Chris to keep quiet," in this statement.
 
2014-01-02 08:50:15 PM  

ariseatex: Agent Nick Fury: http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/111273/most-important-of- c hris-kluwes-allegations

This is a pretty good summation of how both sides probably feel about the situation

Key points:

I suppose we can note that Kluwe's advocacy had its limits; he wasn't willing to risk his job (or cause further distraction) by going public with the quotes immediately. But timing shouldn't discredit or lessen the impact of the revelation, assuming it is accurate. If that's the case, Priefer's career in the NFL might be over and his words should spark the same industry shakeup as the Miami Dolphins' hazing debacle from earlier this season. 

...

The NFL already was likely to establish new workplace rules when the Dolphins investigation is complete. The primary language in question in Miami was the N-word, but anti-gay sentiments -- in jest or otherwise -- should be considered just as seriously. In light of Kluwe's letter, I would imagine that nascent set of rules is about to get thicker.

The Vikings ownership effectively has two options: fire Priefer, or (if the allegation is false) come out strongly denouncing Kluwe for stirring shiat up.  Anything less not only keeps the story in the limelight, it also associates their organization with bigotry, real or implied.  The owner's statement was pretty middle-of-the-road to somewhat-favorable to Kluwe, but the longer any further action  takes, the worse it makes them look.


That's why I think it's a good summation - there are definitely questions about Kluwe's motives but if what he said was true I don't think the Vikings will hesitate to rid themselves from Priefer - but he's already one foot out the door because a new coach will want his own staff.
 
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