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(Deadspin)   Chris Kluwe tells the story of how he was an NFL player until he was fired by "two cowards and a bigot"   (deadspin.com) divider line 253
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2014-01-02 01:39:11 PM  
The squeaky wheel gets the grease, or greased in this case.

I like Kluwe and thought he was doing fine at his job and should still be in the NFL. How did the Bengals not give him a call?

I guess it should have waited until he retired though in hindsight. Especially when you are playing at a position that 20 other guys can do.
 
2014-01-02 01:44:20 PM  
Kluwe is a really great guy and has demonstrated his bona fides, so I'm very much inclined to believe him here. Mike Preifer should be fired.
 
2014-01-02 01:49:31 PM  
The NFL thinks homosexuals are icky.  They will continue to think so until instructed otherwise by the men running the show.
 
2014-01-02 01:52:59 PM  
On Sept. 10, I was once again called into Leslie Frazier's office. Coach Frazier asked me if I was going to keep speaking out on the matter of same-sex marriage and equality. I responded that I was, and I related what Zygi Wilf had said to me at the game the day before. Coach Frazier looked stunned and put his hand across his face. He then told me: "Well, he writes the checks. It looks like I've been overruled."

It sounds to me like Leslie Frazer is a raging homophobe.  Which is not what I'd expect from a man named Leslie.
 
2014-01-02 01:54:33 PM  
I got his book for Christmas, and have been reading it. He's really a good writer and a funny guy.
 
2014-01-02 01:54:43 PM  
I'm no football expert, though I do argue about it on the internet a lot, but there is little doubt in my mind that the Vikings go rid of Kluwe because of his outspokenness. He was definitely one of the better punters in the League, the best Minnesota had ever had, and I was rather surprised when the Vikings drafted a punter in the fifth round.
 
2014-01-02 01:56:38 PM  

Nabb1: I'm no football expert, though I do argue about it on the internet a lot, but there is little doubt in my mind that the Vikings go rid of Kluwe because of his outspokenness. He was definitely one of the better punters in the League, the best Minnesota had ever had, and I was rather surprised when the Vikings drafted a punter in the fifth round.


No one likes a guy who rocks the boat and upstages the team.

Except when it's a guy like Tim Tebow the whole Christ thing is considered a "positive"
 
2014-01-02 02:06:21 PM  

Rincewind53: Nabb1: I'm no football expert, though I do argue about it on the internet a lot, but there is little doubt in my mind that the Vikings go rid of Kluwe because of his outspokenness. He was definitely one of the better punters in the League, the best Minnesota had ever had, and I was rather surprised when the Vikings drafted a punter in the fifth round.

No one likes a guy who rocks the boat and upstages the team.

Except when it's a guy like Tim Tebow the whole Christ thing is considered a "positive"


Man could you imagine the outrage if a coach told Tebow to cool it with the Jesus stuff?

Kluwe will find work. It won't be with the NFL (he admits he's burning this bridge by publishing the article), but he's too smart to not find something. Hell Blizzard should hire him as a PR spokesman.
 
2014-01-02 02:06:23 PM  

Nabb1: I'm no football expert, though I do argue about it on the internet a lot, but there is little doubt in my mind that the Vikings go rid of Kluwe because of his outspokenness. He was definitely one of the better punters in the League, the best Minnesota had ever had, and I was rather surprised when the Vikings drafted a punter in the fifth round.


Can someone contextualize Kluwe's stats a little? Last year I heard people saying he wasn't a good punter.
 
2014-01-02 02:09:42 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Man could you imagine the outrage if a coach told Tebow to cool it with the Jesus stuff?


Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone told him that.
 
2014-01-02 02:10:02 PM  

DamnYankees: Nabb1: I'm no football expert, though I do argue about it on the internet a lot, but there is little doubt in my mind that the Vikings go rid of Kluwe because of his outspokenness. He was definitely one of the better punters in the League, the best Minnesota had ever had, and I was rather surprised when the Vikings drafted a punter in the fifth round.

Can someone contextualize Kluwe's stats a little? Last year I heard people saying he wasn't a good punter.


He goes over that in the article.
 
2014-01-02 02:10:26 PM  

DamnYankees: Nabb1: I'm no football expert, though I do argue about it on the internet a lot, but there is little doubt in my mind that the Vikings go rid of Kluwe because of his outspokenness. He was definitely one of the better punters in the League, the best Minnesota had ever had, and I was rather surprised when the Vikings drafted a punter in the fifth round.

Can someone contextualize Kluwe's stats a little? Last year I heard people saying he wasn't a good punter.


He had a shiatty game against the Bucs, but overall his stats were inline with previous years. Last year (2012) he punted 45 yards average, and only 2 other years beat that average (2008/2011). He also had the highest net punt average of his career in 2012. He says he dipped in some areas because the coaches asked him to ("don't punt so far because our special teams coverage sucks at getting down-field to stop them").
 
2014-01-02 02:13:04 PM  

Nabb1: He goes over that in the article.


Oh ok. I haven't finished it yet (its pretty long), but I skimmed it to see if he addressed this issue. Probably just missed it.
 
2014-01-02 02:14:01 PM  
You hear a lot that the NFL doesn't want people who rock the boat. It isn't about speaking up for marriage equality, it's about speaking up. If you're part of a team, you're not supposed to draw extra attention to yourself and cause a distraction for everyone else.

The truth is probably that teams don't want people like Kluwe to speak up because they have coaches like Mike Priefer who they put more value in.
 
2014-01-02 02:14:20 PM  

scottydoesntknow: He says he dipped in some areas because the coaches asked him to ("don't punt so far because our special teams coverage sucks at getting down-field to stop them").


That sounds like a pretty bullshiat excuse. I'm inclined to believe Kluwe for political reasons, so I want to make sure I'm taking into account holes in his arguments.
 
2014-01-02 02:21:37 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: It sounds to me like Leslie Frazer is a raging homophobe.  Which is not what I'd expect from a man named Leslie.


I don't think there's any evidence in TFA that Frazer is a homophobe at all.
 
2014-01-02 02:23:37 PM  

DamnYankees: Marcus Aurelius: It sounds to me like Leslie Frazer is a raging homophobe.  Which is not what I'd expect from a man named Leslie.

I don't think there's any evidence in TFA that Frazer is a homophobe at all.


Now that I RTFA, I have to agree.
 
2014-01-02 02:49:56 PM  

Rincewind53: Nabb1: I'm no football expert, though I do argue about it on the internet a lot, but there is little doubt in my mind that the Vikings go rid of Kluwe because of his outspokenness. He was definitely one of the better punters in the League, the best Minnesota had ever had, and I was rather surprised when the Vikings drafted a punter in the fifth round.

No one likes a guy who rocks the boat and upstages the team.

Except when it's a guy like Tim Tebow the whole Christ thing is considered a "positive"


It would be like Duck Dynasty10
 
2014-01-02 02:54:49 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Man could you imagine the outrage if a coach told Tebow to cool it with the Jesus stuff?


I can just see him literally hanging himself from a mock crucifix in front of the stadium.
 
2014-01-02 03:08:30 PM  
It's interesting reading something like this in light of all of the "no one cares" comments about Aaron Rogers.
 
2014-01-02 03:12:25 PM  

propasaurus: It's interesting reading something like this in light of all of the "no one cares" comments about Aaron Rogers.


Well the clear difference is that Aaron Rodgers did not come out (who knows what his orientation is he's entitled to be who he wants) but if he had, I think a lot of people, particularly within the NFL, very much would have cared. The situation would certainly be effected by the fact that he's indispensable unlike a punter, but people would have cared.
 
2014-01-02 03:27:04 PM  
Speech is not always free, and doing the right thing is sometimes costly.

/a clear conscious is priceless
 
2014-01-02 03:35:25 PM  
I figured something like this had happened. I'm glad he had the courage and integrity to stand up for his beliefs, but I miss watching him play.
 
2014-01-02 03:36:37 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Which is not what I'd expect from a man named Leslie.


All I know is that you never call a man named Leslie "Shirley."
 
2014-01-02 03:50:14 PM  
The allegations about Pfeifer's behavior are fairly damning. Not shocking or surprising at all really, but you can't do that shiat in the workplace. As we've seen this year, the NFL might do well to remember that its teams are still, at the base, employers and subject to the laws that govern any business when it comes to the workplace environment. Being derided by your immediate superior for differing political views is against the rules.
 
2014-01-02 03:54:47 PM  

Shame Us: The allegations about Pfeifer's behavior are fairly damning. Not shocking or surprising at all really, but you can't do that shiat in the workplace. As we've seen this year, the NFL might do well to remember that its teams are still, at the base, employers and subject to the laws that govern any business when it comes to the workplace environment. Being derided by your immediate superior for differing political views is against the rules.


Honestly, shiat like this is why people do get upset when prominent gay people refuse to come out. Just hypothetically, imagine if AP was in that room, and that he was gay*. Does he not have a responsibility to speak out? To show Pfeifer that he's full of shiat, and show everyone else its unacceptable?

Coming out and showing people that their perceptions about minority X or Y are wrong is really important.


* Just hypothetical. I know literally nothing about AP's personal life other than his son died.
 
2014-01-02 04:04:19 PM  
Saw this posted on another board - seems a little damning:

Here are the stats for Kluwe the year he was released.

*31st in NFL in punts inside the 20
*22nd in NFL in avg punt yardage
*32nd in NFL for long punt
*17th in NFL in net yardage
 
2014-01-02 04:06:01 PM  
Playing devil's advocate here,

Jeff Locke is currently making $405k (rookie minimum), as opposed to Kluwe's 2012 $1.3 million salary.

Comparing Kluwe's 2012 stats vs Locke's 2013 stats, they were practically the same player.

Considering Kluwe's previous injury issues, isn't it possible they were just trying to minimize salaries, and find a player who was less of an injury risk, especially if there wasn't a noticeable performance drop?

Just because he's the best punter in Vikings history, doesn't mean he's a good punter. I think this article from May does a good job of illustrating that:
http://thebiglead.com/2013/05/06/chris-kluwe-was-released-beca use-of -p unting-not-because-of-preaching/

It all just seems like speculation to me.  Yeah there are issues if the coach actually made those comments, and that should be addressed, but that doesn't mean that's the reason he was fired, especially if he had support from the owner.
 
2014-01-02 04:07:07 PM  
The response to this from the jocksniffer set should be interesting.

We'll surely get some "sanctity of the locker room" bullsh*t mixed with a dose "who cares? why is this a story" and a dash of some derivation of "shoving it down our throats."
 
2014-01-02 04:09:51 PM  
Why is this only being published now if he wrote it last April?
 
2014-01-02 04:10:14 PM  

DamnYankees: scottydoesntknow: Man could you imagine the outrage if a coach told Tebow to cool it with the Jesus stuff?

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone told him that.


Jake Plummer told him that. It was during Timmy's lucky streak.
 
2014-01-02 04:11:23 PM  
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ask this gent from north dallas about toeing the team's party line.
 
2014-01-02 04:11:36 PM  

sigdiamond2000: The response to this from the jocksniffer set should be interesting.

We'll surely get some "sanctity of the locker room" bullsh*t mixed with a dose "who cares? why is this a story" and a dash of some derivation of "shoving it down our throats."


(Non-Spartan) Warrior Code!
 
2014-01-02 04:13:20 PM  
It's cool and all to throw the special teams coach under the bus, but shouldn't we wait for some validation from other players that he actually did say the homophobic stuff before branding him with the rainbow iron?


/Nah, this is the Internet!
//Those waitress no-tip receipts were real too!!!!
 
2014-01-02 04:13:21 PM  
sigdiamond2000:  "sanctity of the locker room" bullsh*t mixed with a dose "who cares? why is this a story" and a dash of some derivation of "shoving it down our throats."

/warrior code
 
2014-01-02 04:13:25 PM  

netweavr: Why is this only being published now if he wrote it last April?


RTFA.  It's toward the bottom.
 
2014-01-02 04:13:38 PM  

netweavr: Why is this only being published now if he wrote it last April?


FTA: Some will ask why I waited so long to tell this story. It's a fair question, and I have two answers. The first is that I still have friends on the Vikings, and opening up something like this during the season would not help them focus on their jobs. By doing it now, I hope they don't have to answer questions about an issue that concerns only four people, and I hope the issue will have died down before next season starts.

The second is that I wanted to prove I still had the physical ability to compete in the NFL. I can still hit the ball 45 yards outside the numbers with good hangtime, and at the tryouts I've had this year I've gotten praise from the scouts and personnel people on hand, but for whatever reason I cannot find a job. (Side note: My numbers from last year would put me right in the middle of the pack for this year, and I've traditionally been in the middle to top third of punters each year).

However, it's clear to me that no matter how much I want to prove I can play, I will no longer punt in the NFL, especially now that I've written this account. Whether it's my age, my minimum veteran salary, my habit of speaking my mind, or (most likely) a combination of all three, my time as a football player is done. Punters are always replaceable, at least in the minds of those in charge, and I realize that in advocating noisily for social change I only made it easier for them to justify not having me around. So it goes.


He wanted to see if another team would pick him up. Now that he's decided (or resigned to the fact) he won't ever play in the NFL again, might as well air his grievances, even if Festivus is over.
 
2014-01-02 04:13:52 PM  

netweavr: Why is this only being published now if he wrote it last April?


Read TFA - he explains that.
 
2014-01-02 04:16:32 PM  

scottydoesntknow: netweavr: Why is this only being published now if he wrote it last April?

FTA: Some will ask why I waited so long to tell this story. It's a fair question, and I have two answers. The first is that I still have friends on the Vikings, and opening up something like this during the season would not help them focus on their jobs. By doing it now, I hope they don't have to answer questions about an issue that concerns only four people, and I hope the issue will have died down before next season starts.

The second is that I wanted to prove I still had the physical ability to compete in the NFL. I can still hit the ball 45 yards outside the numbers with good hangtime, and at the tryouts I've had this year I've gotten praise from the scouts and personnel people on hand, but for whatever reason I cannot find a job. (Side note: My numbers from last year would put me right in the middle of the pack for this year, and I've traditionally been in the middle to top third of punters each year).

However, it's clear to me that no matter how much I want to prove I can play, I will no longer punt in the NFL, especially now that I've written this account. Whether it's my age, my minimum veteran salary, my habit of speaking my mind, or (most likely) a combination of all three, my time as a football player is done. Punters are always replaceable, at least in the minds of those in charge, and I realize that in advocating noisily for social change I only made it easier for them to justify not having me around. So it goes.

He wanted to see if another team would pick him up. Now that he's decided (or resigned to the fact) he won't ever play in the NFL again, might as well air his grievances, even if Festivus is over.


Fair enough, it hurts the credibility here, but doesn't eliminate it.

The Vikings and NFL should respond.
 
2014-01-02 04:18:21 PM  
Regardless of why he was released, this Vikes fan was sad to see him go. If he was released for his speech, we'll never know because his play was mediocre enough and his salary was high enough to (almost) justify it. Kind of hard to explain why he is out of work though. That he, Ayanbadejo , and Collins are all out of work is... interesting.
 
2014-01-02 04:18:49 PM  
Two cowards, one bigot?
 
2014-01-02 04:19:57 PM  

netweavr: Why is this only being published now if he wrote it last April?


The TL;DR is that he was hoping to continue his career in the NFL, and also right now the main bigot in the story is a contender for the head coaching job.
 
2014-01-02 04:20:42 PM  
eh in the nfl its a results driven league, you can be mouthy all you want so long as you are good at what you do.

however if you are a borderline guy and make some controversial comments, well good luck somewhere else because you're cut.

there has to be a reason he didn't sign on with anyone else if he could still play

/drtfa
 
2014-01-02 04:21:30 PM  
I think this has 25% to do with  what he was saying and 75% to do with him making headlines.

Being a punter and causing headlines is not good, especially when your headlines are irritating a segment of your customers.
 
2014-01-02 04:21:31 PM  
Someone outspoken who creates a divisive attitude from the coaching staff got axed from a football team!?  You don't say!?

/dude, you are a punter
//unless you can kick 100 yard punts, you were going to get canned if you weren't quiet - didn't matter what subject you talked about
 
2014-01-02 04:22:37 PM  

DamnYankees: Saw this posted on another board - seems a little damning:

Here are the stats for Kluwe the year he was released.

*31st in NFL in punts inside the 20
*22nd in NFL in avg punt yardage
*32nd in NFL for long punt
*17th in NFL in net yardage


Well, "long punt" is a stupid stat to cite. But yeah, he was a mediocre punter. So the reason he probably can't get a job is for another reason - otherwise someone would go ahead and pick him up for minimum; after all, half the teams have guys who are below average.

But the added "hassle" from an organizational perspective probably isn't worth it, even if you agree with his politics.
 
2014-01-02 04:29:35 PM  

IAmRight: DamnYankees: Saw this posted on another board - seems a little damning:

Here are the stats for Kluwe the year he was released.

*31st in NFL in punts inside the 20
*22nd in NFL in avg punt yardage
*32nd in NFL for long punt
*17th in NFL in net yardage

Well, "long punt" is a stupid stat to cite. But yeah, he was a mediocre punter. So the reason he probably can't get a job is for another reason - otherwise someone would go ahead and pick him up for minimum; after all, half the teams have guys who are below average.

But the added "hassle" from an organizational perspective probably isn't worth it, even if you agree with his politics.


He is below average. Why pay him a vet minimum when you can draft a guy and pay him the rookie minimum?

Kluwe is a great person and I really admire him, but he was a below average punter. Was he let go because of his outspokenness? Maybe. Was he let go because he wasn't worth what they were paying him? Maybe
 
2014-01-02 04:29:44 PM  
So if he was so good..why is he not playing anywhere again?

I am *NOT* disagreeing with him about his firing.

I am saying there is this whole attitude of "Whelp, I could never get hired again" about him.

"But Jim from Saint Paul, no one wants an old punter."

No, no one wants an OLD punter who asks for money 8 to 10 times as much as a young one does. There's a difference.
 
2014-01-02 04:29:45 PM  

farbekrieg: eh in the nfl its a results driven league, you can be mouthy all you want so long as you are good at what you do.

however if you are a borderline guy and make some controversial comments, well good luck somewhere else because you're cut.

there has to be a reason he didn't sign on with anyone else if he could still play

/drtfa


Veteran minimum salary is a good reason. The read I get is that they wanted to get rid of him and he gave them a way. Of course, he contends that the reason his averages were down is because they asked him to increase hangtime and shorten his kicks to reduce returns.
 
2014-01-02 04:30:47 PM  

IAmRight: DamnYankees: Saw this posted on another board - seems a little damning:

Here are the stats for Kluwe the year he was released.

*31st in NFL in punts inside the 20
*22nd in NFL in avg punt yardage
*32nd in NFL for long punt
*17th in NFL in net yardage

Well, "long punt" is a stupid stat to cite. But yeah, he was a mediocre punter. So the reason he probably can't get a job is for another reason - otherwise someone would go ahead and pick him up for minimum; after all, half the teams have guys who are below average.

But the added "hassle" from an organizational perspective probably isn't worth it, even if you agree with his politics.


His minumum is more than the league minimum since he's a vet.
 
2014-01-02 04:32:08 PM  

Nabb1: I'm no football expert, though I do argue about it on the internet a lot, but there is little doubt in my mind that the Vikings go rid of Kluwe because of his outspokenness. He was definitely one of the better punters in the League, the best Minnesota had ever had, and I was rather surprised when the Vikings drafted a punter in the fifth round.


Punters making over a million dollars a year are dead men walking.  He wasn't released for his outspokenness anymore than Tebow was released as part of some War on Christians.
 
2014-01-02 04:36:14 PM  

Nabb1: I'm no football expert, though I do argue about it on the internet a lot, but there is little doubt in my mind that the Vikings go rid of Kluwe because of his outspokenness. He was definitely one of the better punters in the League, the best Minnesota had ever had, and I was rather surprised when the Vikings drafted a punter in the fifth round.


But isnt this true of any job? I have told friends/family to take down crap on facebook that implicated me or themselves in bullshiat that my work didnt need to know about by doing a simple search. Some was innocent but could be interpreted differently by those who dislike me or didnt share sarcastic humor, others were blatant illegal activity mentioned about our past.

You should know how your bosses would react and then not kick the nest anymore, even if you are right you will be risking your shiat by pissing off the man who controls your fate.

Im not saying hes wrong but dont fark yourself to be right, wait until you can get the right environment where you have the freedom to do what you want.
 
2014-01-02 04:37:55 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: So if he was so good..why is he not playing anywhere again?

I am *NOT* disagreeing with him about his firing.

I am saying there is this whole attitude of "Whelp, I could never get hired again" about him.

"But Jim from Saint Paul, no one wants an old punter."

No, no one wants an OLD punter who asks for money 8 to 10 times as much as a young one does. There's a difference.


Kluwe was involved in a tryout for the Bengals. Those same Bengals signed Zoltan Mesko instead, who was at or behind Kluwe in those 2012 stats posted in thread. Of course, I don't think Mesko makes vet minimum either. Mesko made $540k in 2012, about half of what Kluwe made, Kluwe isn't asking "8 to 10 times as much," just the league minimum for veterans.
 
2014-01-02 04:37:58 PM  

Nabb1: I'm no football expert, though I do argue about it on the internet a lot, but there is little doubt in my mind that the Vikings go rid of Kluwe because of his outspokenness. He was definitely one of the better punters in the League, the best Minnesota had ever had, and I was rather surprised when the Vikings drafted a punter in the fifth round.


Except Kluwe was not one of the better punters in the league; he was actually quite below average and when you have a below average punter making over a million a year, they usually get cut. Why pay a guy $1.2 million to do a job that a rookie making 1/3 of that will do?
 
2014-01-02 04:38:56 PM  
I choose to believe that both sides are partially right. Mike Priefer is a raging asshole and homophobe; Chris Kluwe is nothing special as a punter and not irreplaceable.
 
2014-01-02 04:40:08 PM  
The NFL is about results. If he was still useful he'd be employed, regardless of his feelings about homosexuality. I'd also hazard a guess based on his history, he has a real attitude problem with authority and didn't react well to being told to tone it down. I mean shiat look how he reacted to not getting into a guild in WoW. You think an NFL team is going to put up with that from an average punter?

I'm supposed to think an NFL team will sign wife beaters, murderers, manslaughterers, druggies, and rapists but they won't sign this guy because he can't shut up about gay marriage? Seems unlikely.

/smart guy, articulate, agree with him
//but he isn't out of the league because of his viewpoints
 
2014-01-02 04:44:30 PM  

js34603: look how he reacted to not getting into a guild in WoW.


IIRC, that was a rather amicable interaction on all sides.
 
2014-01-02 04:48:19 PM  

js34603: The NFL is about results. If he was still useful he'd be employed


Let's not go acting like the NFL is the only organization in the world that makes correct hires all the time or as though they ever fix mistakes as quickly as possible.
 
2014-01-02 04:50:06 PM  
No mention of getting beat out in Oakland...hmm.
 
2014-01-02 04:52:14 PM  

WhiskeySticks: No mention of getting beat out in Oakland...hmm.


He wasn't going to beat King. That would have been a shock.
 
2014-01-02 04:52:28 PM  

js34603: The NFL is about results. If he was still useful he'd be employed, regardless of his feelings about homosexuality.


farbekrieg: eh in the nfl its a results driven league, you can be mouthy all you want so long as you are good at what you do.


People need to stop making this argument. It's a terrible, terrible argument. Lots of organizations do things which hamper their results because of social/cultural factors, even if they are in a 'results driven' system. Major League Baseball banned the best players in the world for 50 years out of racism, and baseball is just as results driven as football is.
 
2014-01-02 04:52:35 PM  
FTFA: Near the end of November, several teammates and I were walking into a specialist meeting with Coach Priefer. We were laughing over one of the recent articles I had written supporting same-sex marriage rights, and one of my teammates made a joking remark about me leading the Pride parade. As we sat down in our chairs, Mike Priefer, in one of the meanest voices I can ever recall hearing, said: "We should round up all the gays, send them to an island, and then nuke it until it glows." The room grew intensely quiet, and none of the players said a word for the rest of the meeting. The atmosphere was decidedly tense. I had never had an interaction that hostile with any of my teammates on this issue-some didn't agree with me, but our conversations were always civil and respectful. Afterward, several told me that what Mike Priefer had said was "messed up."

Ahh, brings me back to sophomore year of high school.  One of my friends told me this.  I was still in the Narnia setting on my closet, so did he know he was telling me I should die?  Probably not.  Did it keep me in the closet even longer?  Probably.
 
2014-01-02 04:55:52 PM  
 
2014-01-02 04:56:20 PM  

Kuta: Two cowards, one bigot?


Coming to Fox on Thursday nights
 
2014-01-02 04:57:10 PM  

ariseatex: FTFA: Near the end of November, several teammates and I were walking into a specialist meeting with Coach Priefer. We were laughing over one of the recent articles I had written supporting same-sex marriage rights, and one of my teammates made a joking remark about me leading the Pride parade. As we sat down in our chairs, Mike Priefer, in one of the meanest voices I can ever recall hearing, said: "We should round up all the gays, send them to an island, and then nuke it until it glows." The room grew intensely quiet, and none of the players said a word for the rest of the meeting. The atmosphere was decidedly tense. I had never had an interaction that hostile with any of my teammates on this issue-some didn't agree with me, but our conversations were always civil and respectful. Afterward, several told me that what Mike Priefer had said was "messed up."

Ahh, brings me back to sophomore year of high school.  One of my friends told me this.  I was still in the Narnia setting on my closet, so did he know he was telling me I should die?  Probably not.  Did it keep me in the closet even longer?  Probably.


And he doesn't even realize that if you did that, all you're doing is creating a race of radioactive super-gays who can shoot rainbow lasers out of their eyes that turn god-fearing Christians into liberal homos.
 
2014-01-02 04:57:51 PM  

Super Chronic: I choose to believe that both sides are partially right. Mike Priefer is a raging asshole and homophobe; Chris Kluwe is nothing special as a punter and not irreplaceable.


Pretty much this. Kluwe is not the best punter, but I'm inclined to believe him when he says that his opinions helped get him kicked out of the NFL with help from a trio of bigoted people. It would be different if he was a QB or some super important position, maybe.

If I was him, I would've tried to contact the Vikings owner privately before writing this publicly. But that's just me.
 
2014-01-02 04:58:55 PM  

desertgeek: If I was him, I would've tried to contact the Vikings owner privately before writing this publicly. But that's just me.


Who's the say he didn't?
 
2014-01-02 04:59:28 PM  

netweavr: Vikings responded already

FTFR: As an organization, the Vikings consistently strive to create a supportive, respectful and accepting environment for all of our players, coaches and front office personnel. We do not tolerate discrimination at any level. The team has long respected our players' and associates' individual rights, and, as Chris specifically stated, Vikings ownership supports and promotes tolerance, including on the subject of marriage equality.


Sounds like they'll be investigating the "nuke the gays" comment (if Kluwe's statement is accurate, there were plenty of witnesses), as it doesn't sound like the type of organization that would accept that on company time.  Priefer's days may be numbered there.
 
2014-01-02 05:00:16 PM  

desertgeek: If I was him, I would've tried to contact the Vikings owner privately before writing this publicly. But that's just me.


To be fair, he didn't accuse the Vikings organization of anything. Just a few individuals with decision influencing/making positions.
 
2014-01-02 05:02:08 PM  

scottydoesntknow: ariseatex: FTFA: Near the end of November, several teammates and I were walking into a specialist meeting with Coach Priefer. We were laughing over one of the recent articles I had written supporting same-sex marriage rights, and one of my teammates made a joking remark about me leading the Pride parade. As we sat down in our chairs, Mike Priefer, in one of the meanest voices I can ever recall hearing, said: "We should round up all the gays, send them to an island, and then nuke it until it glows." The room grew intensely quiet, and none of the players said a word for the rest of the meeting. The atmosphere was decidedly tense. I had never had an interaction that hostile with any of my teammates on this issue-some didn't agree with me, but our conversations were always civil and respectful. Afterward, several told me that what Mike Priefer had said was "messed up."

Ahh, brings me back to sophomore year of high school.  One of my friends told me this.  I was still in the Narnia setting on my closet, so did he know he was telling me I should die?  Probably not.  Did it keep me in the closet even longer?  Probably.

And he doesn't even realize that if you did that, all you're doing is creating a race of radioactive super-gays who can shoot rainbow lasers out of their eyes that turn god-fearing Christians into liberal homos.


I didn't think I could get any gayer, but you're right, radioactivity could get me there.
 
2014-01-02 05:02:58 PM  
The Ambiguously Gay Duo was pretty funny at the time, but I wonder if it dated well.
 
2014-01-02 05:03:26 PM  
The NFL is an institutionally bigoted organization, and that will never change until Congress enacts laws making their discrimination illegal. If a player or coach uses homophobic language, they should be banned from the league immediately and without restitution.
 
2014-01-02 05:04:12 PM  
And to think Minneapolis is one of the more gay friendly major cities.
 
2014-01-02 05:04:14 PM  

netweavr: desertgeek: If I was him, I would've tried to contact the Vikings owner privately before writing this publicly. But that's just me.

To be fair, he didn't accuse the Vikings organization of anything. Just a few individuals with decision influencing/making positions.


Maybe a Vikings and/or NFC North fan can fill me in, does Wilf have an overly hands-on reputation the likes of Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder, or is he hands-off?
 
2014-01-02 05:05:18 PM  
Although at $1.2 million Kluwe was making more than the veterans minimum, his contract could have been restructured to bring it down to the veterans minimum  (between $715,000 and $940,000). Under the minimum salary benefit, the cap hit would be approximately the rookie minimum. 
http://overthecap.com/explaining-the-minimum-salary-benefit/
 
2014-01-02 05:05:38 PM  

netweavr: desertgeek: If I was him, I would've tried to contact the Vikings owner privately before writing this publicly. But that's just me.

To be fair, he didn't accuse the Vikings organization of anything. Just a few individuals with decision influencing/making positions.


But the same as hes getting traction for his connection to them and he is slightly alluding to them cutting him for his outspoken behavior directly related to their employees.
 
2014-01-02 05:05:48 PM  
It sounds like Kluwe mistook being talented with being indispensable.
 
2014-01-02 05:06:47 PM  

Piizzadude: How did the Bengals not give him a call?


No arrest record?
 
2014-01-02 05:06:51 PM  

steamingpile: netweavr: desertgeek: If I was him, I would've tried to contact the Vikings owner privately before writing this publicly. But that's just me.

To be fair, he didn't accuse the Vikings organization of anything. Just a few individuals with decision influencing/making positions.

But the same as hes getting traction for his connection to them and he is slightly alluding to them cutting him for his outspoken behavior directly related to their employees.


He explicitly notes the owner of the Vikings congratulating and agreeing with his views.
 
2014-01-02 05:07:02 PM  

ariseatex: netweavr: desertgeek: If I was him, I would've tried to contact the Vikings owner privately before writing this publicly. But that's just me.

To be fair, he didn't accuse the Vikings organization of anything. Just a few individuals with decision influencing/making positions.

Maybe a Vikings and/or NFC North fan can fill me in, does Wilf have an overly hands-on reputation the likes of Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder, or is he hands-off?


Hands-off. The Wilfs understand they made their money in shady real-estate deals, and that's what they know. They hire people who made their money in football to handle football decisions.
 
2014-01-02 05:13:21 PM  

Bunny Deville: I figured something like this had happened. I'm glad he had the courage and integrity to stand up for his beliefs, but I miss watching him play.


My problem with this statement is that he waited a year, figured he was not going to be signed and then made a spectacle of the situation.

Sounds like all of the bridges were dismantled before he decided to burn them.
 
2014-01-02 05:13:55 PM  
I think if he stuck with the gay rights stance it wouldn't have been a big deal but then he started trashing the Pope (like it or not, Catholics do buy tickets), and then the Ray Guy patch during the game.

So they sit down and think here's a guy making 1.8M as an average punter when we can get the same production for 400K and who the hell knows what Kluwe is going to be pissed about tomorrow so......
 
2014-01-02 05:14:01 PM  
Two cowards and one bigot......where it's at
 
2014-01-02 05:16:28 PM  

netweavr: The Ambiguously Gay Duo was pretty funny at the time, but I wonder if it dated well.


I only recently read that the voices were Stephen Colbert and Steve Carrell. Did everyone know this except me? They weren't as famous at the time.
 
2014-01-02 05:17:32 PM  

Super Chronic: netweavr: The Ambiguously Gay Duo was pretty funny at the time, but I wonder if it dated well.

I only recently read that the voices were Stephen Colbert and Steve Carrell. Did everyone know this except me? They weren't as famous at the time.


I didn't know that, granted if I saw the skits again I might recognize the voices.
 
2014-01-02 05:17:37 PM  

Bad Man Jose: Bunny Deville: I figured something like this had happened. I'm glad he had the courage and integrity to stand up for his beliefs, but I miss watching him play.

My problem with this statement is that he waited a year, figured he was not going to be signed and then made a spectacle of the situation.

Sounds like all of the bridges were dismantled before he decided to burn them.


It seems that a big reason why he held off was because there were players on the Vikings he cared about, and he didn't want to jeopardize their ability to be cohesive by stirring up shiat about the coaching staff.

Given the circumstances, I don't think there is any "right" way to handle this.  I have no doubt that if Kluwe was playing lights out, it would have been harder to justify the firing, but I still think- with the way that team runs things- they would have still let him go.
 
2014-01-02 05:20:25 PM  

DamnYankees: scottydoesntknow: He says he dipped in some areas because the coaches asked him to ("don't punt so far because our special teams coverage sucks at getting down-field to stop them").

That sounds like a pretty bullshiat excuse. I'm inclined to believe Kluwe for political reasons, so I want to make sure I'm taking into account holes in his arguments.


Doesn't look like anyone responded to you, so no, that is not necessarily bullshiat.  "Outkicking the coverage" is a real thing in football, especially with punts.  If you kick it such that the receiving player has a chance to catch the ball, and then look up field, get his barrings, and start running, it makes a long return much more likely.  Distance can come at the expense of hangtime (i.e., more out than up), and it is the type of an instruction that a team with poor punt coverage might give.

Of course, it could be made up too, but nothing else in the article looks preposterous.
 
2014-01-02 05:21:37 PM  

FreeLawyer: Although at $1.2 million Kluwe was making more than the veterans minimum, his contract could have been restructured to bring it down to the veterans minimum  (between $715,000 and $940,000). Under the minimum salary benefit, the cap hit would be approximately the rookie minimum. 
http://overthecap.com/explaining-the-minimum-salary-benefit/


And then after he was cut after the 2014 season he would write an article about how the Vikings made him take a pay cut because of his views on gay marriage because the Vikings capologist was a coward, too.
 
2014-01-02 05:24:02 PM  

twistedmetal: Speech is not always free, and doing the right thing is sometimes costly.

/a clear conscious is priceless


So is proper spelling.

/"conscience"

s2.quickmeme.com
 
2014-01-02 05:26:23 PM  
For those of you intent on educating Kluwe that it was his age and salary that cost him his job, I don't think you RTFA.

Whether it's my age, my minimum veteran salary, my habit of speaking my mind, or (most likely) a combination of all three, my time as a football player is done.

In my book, Kluwe's credibility is bolstered by the very self-aware and reasoned approach he takes to this article and the other articles or interviews I have seen from him.  He's inviting attention for sure, but he doesn't have any of the earmarks of someone who values attention over the truth.
 
2014-01-02 05:30:52 PM  
He probably brought it upon himself, but he is a Hero for doing it.

It has been said above that if you are not indespensible, and punters are not, then dont rock the boat.

BTW, I hope none of those coaches ever get a job in the NFL again and if anyone google's thier name it comes to this article first.
 
2014-01-02 05:32:16 PM  

Transpogue: Bad Man Jose: Bunny Deville: I figured something like this had happened. I'm glad he had the courage and integrity to stand up for his beliefs, but I miss watching him play.

My problem with this statement is that he waited a year, figured he was not going to be signed and then made a spectacle of the situation.

Sounds like all of the bridges were dismantled before he decided to burn them.

It seems that a big reason why he held off was because there were players on the Vikings he cared about, and he didn't want to jeopardize their ability to be cohesive by stirring up shiat about the coaching staff.

Given the circumstances, I don't think there is any "right" way to handle this.  I have no doubt that if Kluwe was playing lights out, it would have been harder to justify the firing, but I still think- with the way that team runs things- they would have still let him go.


I guess I see this more as sour grapes now when I would have seen it as courage a year ago.
 
2014-01-02 05:34:06 PM  

egomann: BTW, I hope none of those coaches ever get a job in the NFL again and if anyone google's thier name it comes to this article first.


Leslie Frazier is going to be the DC for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
 
2014-01-02 05:40:18 PM  

machoprogrammer: Why pay a guy $1.2 million to do a job that a rookie making 1/3 of that will do?


Bingo.  They replaced him seamlessly at an enormous discount.

FreeLawyer: Although at $1.2 million Kluwe was making more than the veterans minimum, his contract could have been restructured to bring it down to the veterans minimum  (between $715,000 and $940,000). Under the minimum salary benefit, the cap hit would be approximately the rookie minimum. 
http://overthecap.com/explaining-the-minimum-salary-benefit/


There are rules relating to the MSB about cutting and re-signing a player, and while I'm not entirely sure of all the specifics, I believe the fact that Kluwe was not a free agent would have prevented the Vikings from utilizing it.  Had he signed with the Raiders (or any other team) they could have.
 
2014-01-02 05:45:09 PM  

DamnYankees: Saw this posted on another board - seems a little damning:

Here are the stats for Kluwe the year he was released.

*31st in NFL in punts inside the 20
*22nd in NFL in avg punt yardage
*32nd in NFL for long punt
*17th in NFL in net yardage


Those certainly don't paint a positive picture of his punting, but they also don't paint him as someone likely to get cut because of his abilities.  Also, not only did he have an explanation for why his stats might have suffered slightly last season, but I wonder if his claim (if true) that he was statistically the best punter Minnesota had had means anything.  I noted that in Avg. punting yardage, the punters behind him in 2012 played for: BUF; WSH; PIT; GB; NE; CAR; CHI; CLE; DET.  With the exception of Carolina, those teams all have cold weather games in common.  Obviously, that could explain some of it, although I don't know what difference being inside would make (except Detroit's kicker finished last).

Anyway, it is safe to say that he did not possess enough talent to make himself irreplaceable.  On the other hand, his replacement had almost identical stats, so it seems like a stretch to believe that he was replaced solely for talent/production reasons.
 
2014-01-02 05:53:47 PM  

MNMarkPW: ariseatex: netweavr: desertgeek: If I was him, I would've tried to contact the Vikings owner privately before writing this publicly. But that's just me.

To be fair, he didn't accuse the Vikings organization of anything. Just a few individuals with decision influencing/making positions.

Maybe a Vikings and/or NFC North fan can fill me in, does Wilf have an overly hands-on reputation the likes of Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder, or is he hands-off?

Hands-off. The Wilfs understand they made their money in shady real-estate deals, and that's what they know. They hire people who made their money in football to handle football decisions.


Thanks.  So it's entirely believable, then, that they knew nothing of the ST Coach's comments before now.
 
2014-01-02 05:54:42 PM  

Bad Man Jose: egomann: BTW, I hope none of those coaches ever get a job in the NFL again and if anyone google's thier name it comes to this article first.

Leslie Frazier is going to be the DC for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers


I'll enjoy watching him and Lovie get destroyed twice a year by the Panthers.  Tedford, however, I have no reason to dislike.
 
2014-01-02 05:55:51 PM  

boyofd: On the other hand, his replacement had almost identical stats, so it seems like a stretch to believe that he was replaced solely for talent/production reasons.


His replacement had identical stats and cost one-third as much.

Would you rather play $9 for a sandwich or $3 for a sandwich if you knew they would taste the same?
 
2014-01-02 06:00:56 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Jim from Saint Paul: So if he was so good..why is he not playing anywhere again?

I am *NOT* disagreeing with him about his firing.

I am saying there is this whole attitude of "Whelp, I could never get hired again" about him.

"But Jim from Saint Paul, no one wants an old punter."

No, no one wants an OLD punter who asks for money 8 to 10 times as much as a young one does. There's a difference.

Kluwe was involved in a tryout for the Bengals. Those same Bengals signed Zoltan Mesko instead, who was at or behind Kluwe in those 2012 stats posted in thread. Of course, I don't think Mesko makes vet minimum either. Mesko made $540k in 2012, about half of what Kluwe made, Kluwe isn't asking "8 to 10 times as much," just the league minimum for veterans.


Easy for you to say. You can count on 8 to 10 times as many fingers as Jim from Saint Paul can.

/math is hard!
 
2014-01-02 06:09:21 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: boyofd: On the other hand, his replacement had almost identical stats, so it seems like a stretch to believe that he was replaced solely for talent/production reasons.

His replacement had identical stats and cost one-third as much.

Would you rather play $9 for a sandwich or $3 for a sandwich if you knew they would taste the same?


This is fair. Though it seems strange to me that the Vikings seem to have an attitude toward the punting game that they're totally cool with an average (at BEST) outcome.
 
2014-01-02 06:09:49 PM  

netweavr: steamingpile: netweavr: desertgeek: If I was him, I would've tried to contact the Vikings owner privately before writing this publicly. But that's just me.

To be fair, he didn't accuse the Vikings organization of anything. Just a few individuals with decision influencing/making positions.

But the same as hes getting traction for his connection to them and he is slightly alluding to them cutting him for his outspoken behavior directly related to their employees.

He explicitly notes the owner of the Vikings congratulating and agreeing with his views.


I had an owner congratulate me on a call after I saved his company a ton of money still didn't stop my immediate supervisor from getting me fired less than a year later since it went opposite of what he wanted and made him look bad.

Still worked out OK, I got a better job then farked him over when he came to us looking for a job after getting shiat canned for his stupidity.
 
2014-01-02 06:10:04 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Would you rather play $9 for a sandwich or $3 for a sandwich if you knew they would taste the same?


People do it all the time.
 
2014-01-02 06:13:07 PM  

Shame Us: Yanks_RSJ: boyofd: On the other hand, his replacement had almost identical stats, so it seems like a stretch to believe that he was replaced solely for talent/production reasons.

His replacement had identical stats and cost one-third as much.

Would you rather play $9 for a sandwich or $3 for a sandwich if you knew they would taste the same?

This is fair. Though it seems strange to me that the Vikings seem to have an attitude toward the punting game that they're totally cool with an average (at BEST) outcome.


Cost seems to be the biggest reason he was let go, besides punting isn't a big deal any longer with the new rules regarding hits above the shoulders.

Most vicious hits I see are usually on punt returns/catches.
 
2014-01-02 06:19:06 PM  

puckrock2000: twistedmetal: Speech is not always free, and doing the right thing is sometimes costly.

/a clear conscious is priceless

So is proper spelling.

/"conscience"

[s2.quickmeme.com image 450x311]


But did you understand the message?

/but you are correct, sir
 
2014-01-02 06:20:15 PM  

puckrock2000: twistedmetal: Speech is not always free, and doing the right thing is sometimes costly.

/a clear conscious is priceless

So is proper spelling.

/"conscience"

[s2.quickmeme.com image 450x311]


I'll give you a smart vote anyway.
 
2014-01-02 06:24:17 PM  
Obviously every other team that isn't (or didn't) knocking on his door is wrong about his talents too...
 
2014-01-02 06:27:12 PM  

twistedmetal: Speech is not always free, and doing the right thing is sometimes costly.

/a clear conscious is priceless


In an ideal world maybe but we do not live in that world.

If you speak your mind you nullify your rights to whine about it later, you made the choice and it seems he made this article to get attention for ulterior motives.
 
2014-01-02 06:30:56 PM  

Rincewind53: No one likes a guy who rocks the boat and upstages the team.

Except when it's a guy like Tim Tebow the whole Christ thing is considered a "positive"


I'm still convinced that the Patriots brought Tebow to camp because they knew that Aaron Hernandez was going to be A Thing and wanted a little upstaging going on.
 
2014-01-02 06:32:12 PM  

Rincewind53: Kluwe is a really great guy and has demonstrated his bona fides, so I'm very much inclined to believe him here. Mike Preifer should be fired.


I'm pretty sure he went when they canned Leslie Frazier.

/But Rick Spielman remains.
 
2014-01-02 06:42:54 PM  

IlGreven: Rincewind53: Kluwe is a really great guy and has demonstrated his bona fides, so I'm very much inclined to believe him here. Mike Preifer should be fired.

I'm pretty sure he went when they canned Leslie Frazier.

/But Rick Spielman remains.


Preifer is the only in-house candidate for the head coaching position. Almost certainly not anymore.
 
2014-01-02 06:53:12 PM  

DamnYankees: scottydoesntknow: He says he dipped in some areas because the coaches asked him to ("don't punt so far because our special teams coverage sucks at getting down-field to stop them").

That sounds like a pretty bullshiat excuse. I'm inclined to believe Kluwe for political reasons, so I want to make sure I'm taking into account holes in his arguments.


Not sure what you mean is bullshiat...
 
2014-01-02 07:02:43 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: So if he was so good..why is he not playing anywhere again?

I am *NOT* disagreeing with him about his firing.

I am saying there is this whole attitude of "Whelp, I could never get hired again" about him.

"But Jim from Saint Paul, no one wants an old punter."

No, no one wants an OLD punter who asks for money 8 to 10 times as much as a young one does. There's a difference.


As Chad Ochocino, Terrel Owens, and Randy Moss can attest, personality and attitude can directly take away from pure talent when playing in the NFL.

There's tons of people that should be playing in the NFL, but aren't for off the field reasons. Hell, look at Tebow. There are absolutely, five team at a minimum that would have been better overall with him. He's not worth the circus that goes along with him.
 
2014-01-02 07:08:15 PM  
I get that Kluwe has a point, and it's probably a point worthy of outside investigation.

However, their rookie punter is averaging exactly the same yards per punt as Kluwe, while being paid significantly less.  So, while he probably was released for his outspoken opinions, he's also a victim of the "somebody does it just as well for a lot less money" reality of professional sports.
 
2014-01-02 07:14:29 PM  
justtray: There are absolutely, five team at a minimum that would have been better overall with him

Who?
 
2014-01-02 07:14:58 PM  
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
 
2014-01-02 07:18:23 PM  

DamnYankees: scottydoesntknow: He says he dipped in some areas because the coaches asked him to ("don't punt so far because our special teams coverage sucks at getting down-field to stop them").

That sounds like a pretty bullshiat excuse. I'm inclined to believe Kluwe for political reasons, so I want to make sure I'm taking into account holes in his arguments.


Kluwe was a below-average punter making veteran minimum (about 1.2 million versus 400k for a rookie). So it was likely due to the fact they were paying so much for a below-average punter when they could pay a rookie 1/3 of that and get the same (or better) production. Below-average punters don't last long in the league
 
2014-01-02 07:19:58 PM  
Kluwe could have been cut by the Vikings because of what he describes. But he lost his spot on the Raiders this past September because King was a better punter and it wasnt even close.The only thing Kluwe was better than Kimg at was holding for Seabass during field goal attempts. Which is why both punters were still with the Raiders until the final day of cuts. The Raiders decided that punting like a boss was the more important skill for a punter to have. I dont think the Raiders care if Kluwe is loud and blunt nor if he likes being a Hero to Teh Gays. As an organization, the Raiders historically dont really embrace political causes nor do they generally seek out soap boxes to speak against anything outside of football. The Raiders dont much give a fark. You couldnt move the GIVE-A-FARK needle on the Raiders morality meter 5 microns in either direction if you had Tebow Kluwe, Riley Cooper, and Vick to calibrate with.

 Also, speaking of King and LBGBQ stereotypes, have y'all seen that weird butt dance King does every time he is waiting for the snap before he punts? If that swishy dance is any indicator Kluwe may have been replaced in Oakland by the NFL's first closeted Carmen Miranda impersonator

NTTAWWT
 
2014-01-02 07:20:02 PM  

DamnYankees: Here are the stats for Kluwe the year he was released.

*31st in NFL in punts inside the 20
*22nd in NFL in avg punt yardage
*32nd in NFL for long punt
*17th in NFL in net yardag


The first stat depends a lot on where you punt from. If you're standing on your own 15 waiting for the snap, you're not likely to have the ball end up inside the other 20. If a punter is regularly punting from deep inside their own part of the field, you won't see many punts end up inside the 20. It's one of those stats that sounds nice, but without context doesn't mean much.

Net yardage is punt length minus return yardage. If your special teams guys aren't good at bringing down ball carriers, your punter's net yardage is going to suffer. Even if he boots a few 60 yarders, if half of them are returned 20 yards, the net is 40 yards per. So again, it's a statistic that without context doesn't say much. Also since it's very much dependent on the entire special teams unit, it isn't really good for making an indictment against a punter. A guy could lead the league in punt yardage but not even make the top 10 for net yardage if the people in front of him aren't up to snuff.
 
2014-01-02 07:28:52 PM  

boyofd: DamnYankees: Saw this posted on another board - seems a little damning:

Here are the stats for Kluwe the year he was released.

*31st in NFL in punts inside the 20
*22nd in NFL in avg punt yardage
*32nd in NFL for long punt
*17th in NFL in net yardage

Those certainly don't paint a positive picture of his punting, but they also don't paint him as someone likely to get cut because of his abilities.  Also, not only did he have an explanation for why his stats might have suffered slightly last season, but I wonder if his claim (if true) that he was statistically the best punter Minnesota had had means anything.  I noted that in Avg. punting yardage, the punters behind him in 2012 played for: BUF; WSH; PIT; GB; NE; CAR; CHI; CLE; DET.  With the exception of Carolina, those teams all have cold weather games in common.  Obviously, that could explain some of it, although I don't know what difference being inside would make (except Detroit's kicker finished last).

Anyway, it is safe to say that he did not possess enough talent to make himself irreplaceable.  On the other hand, his replacement had almost identical stats, so it seems like a stretch to believe that he was replaced solely for talent/production reasons.


You're right. Money was the other factor, in that he made a lot more than he was worth.
 
2014-01-02 07:30:03 PM  
I think we should have Kluwe and that Duck Dynasty dude have a fight to the death cage match on pay per view tv. Thataway we will only have one of them left screaming loudly from the mountain tops about their politicking for causes being silenced  by their meany-head ex bosses. Winner gets 75% of the purse Widow gets 25%. I think Kluwe could take him but either way would be fine.
 
2014-01-02 07:33:13 PM  

Shame Us: justtray: There are absolutely, five team at a minimum that would have been better overall with him

Who?


This. I'd like to know too.
 
2014-01-02 07:36:48 PM  

WhyteRaven74: DamnYankees: Here are the stats for Kluwe the year he was released.

*31st in NFL in punts inside the 20
*22nd in NFL in avg punt yardage
*32nd in NFL for long punt
*17th in NFL in net yardag

The first stat depends a lot on where you punt from. If you're standing on your own 15 waiting for the snap, you're not likely to have the ball end up inside the other 20. If a punter is regularly punting from deep inside their own part of the field, you won't see many punts end up inside the 20. It's one of those stats that sounds nice, but without context doesn't mean much.

Net yardage is punt length minus return yardage. If your special teams guys aren't good at bringing down ball carriers, your punter's net yardage is going to suffer. Even if he boots a few 60 yarders, if half of them are returned 20 yards, the net is 40 yards per. So again, it's a statistic that without context doesn't say much. Also since it's very much dependent on the entire special teams unit, it isn't really good for making an indictment against a punter. A guy could lead the league in punt yardage but not even make the top 10 for net yardage if the people in front of him aren't up to snuff.


You do realize that there are 32 starting punters in the league and he finished last and next to last in two of those categories? Go ahead and spin it anyway you want, but he wasn't worth the contract he was signed to.
 
2014-01-02 07:37:14 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Rincewind53: Nabb1: I'm no football expert, though I do argue about it on the internet a lot, but there is little doubt in my mind that the Vikings go rid of Kluwe because of his outspokenness. He was definitely one of the better punters in the League, the best Minnesota had ever had, and I was rather surprised when the Vikings drafted a punter in the fifth round.

No one likes a guy who rocks the boat and upstages the team.

Except when it's a guy like Tim Tebow the whole Christ thing is considered a "positive"

Man could you imagine the outrage if a coach told Tebow to cool it with the Jesus stuff?

Kluwe will find work. It won't be with the NFL (he admits he's burning this bridge by publishing the article), but he's too smart to not find something. Hell Blizzard should hire him as a PR spokesman.


Doubt it. Anyone who rocks the boat a little in the NFL gets fired. It's football; the policy is, "keep your mouth shut and dance for the nice people". Despite one being "in the right" and the other "in the wrong", Richie Incognito NOR Jonathan Martin will have a job again. Why do you think broadcasters can get away with using the same old commentary again and again? It doesn't make you think, therefore, it doesn't shake things up for an already massively successful organization.
 
2014-01-02 07:42:42 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Would you rather play $9 for a sandwich or $3 for a sandwich if you knew they would taste the same?


In Kluwe's defense, he seems well aware that his sandwich costs three times as much despite tasting the same. The chronological nature of the article is (I guess) his way to suggest it wasn't just a cut & dry salary cap decision.

I admit that I like the guy so maybe I'm laying one too many rose petals around him on this one, but I read that article as more of a "haha, fark you" to a few people within the organization he didn't like moreso than LOOK AT ME I WAS OPPRESSED FOR MY BELIEFS while blithely ignoring other more rational factors for his release, and to remind us yet again that there are some seriously backward-thinking assholes out there.
 
2014-01-02 07:43:17 PM  
Wait til the Duck Dynasty fans get this news! There's nothing that gets them upset like someone being denied first amendment rights, at least first amendment rights as they believe them to be. Shouldn't be long before Facebook lights up in support of Kluwe.
 
2014-01-02 07:45:45 PM  
Go to Deadspin right now.  When did they stop being fun and turn into a bunch of whiners.

/this article was good
//I hate that they have become a necessary evil
 
2014-01-02 07:48:17 PM  

mikaloyd: I think we should have Kluwe and that Duck Dynasty dude have a fight to the death cage match on pay per view tv. Thataway we will only have one of them left screaming loudly from the mountain tops about their politicking for causes being silenced  by their meany-head ex bosses. Winner gets 75% of the purse Widow gets 25%. I think Kluwe could take him but either way would be fine.



Or we could just let them both continue voicing their opinions in the media they've been provided with.
 
2014-01-02 07:48:19 PM  

rudemix: Wait til the Duck Dynasty fans get this news! There's nothing that gets them upset like someone being denied first amendment rights, at least first amendment rights as they believe them to be. Shouldn't be long before Facebook lights up in support of Kluwe.

 
2014-01-02 07:55:28 PM  

BigOle8point: WhyteRaven74: DamnYankees: Here are the stats for Kluwe the year he was released.

*31st in NFL in punts inside the 20
*22nd in NFL in avg punt yardage
*32nd in NFL for long punt
*17th in NFL in net yardag

The first stat depends a lot on where you punt from. If you're standing on your own 15 waiting for the snap, you're not likely to have the ball end up inside the other 20. If a punter is regularly punting from deep inside their own part of the field, you won't see many punts end up inside the 20. It's one of those stats that sounds nice, but without context doesn't mean much.

Net yardage is punt length minus return yardage. If your special teams guys aren't good at bringing down ball carriers, your punter's net yardage is going to suffer. Even if he boots a few 60 yarders, if half of them are returned 20 yards, the net is 40 yards per. So again, it's a statistic that without context doesn't say much. Also since it's very much dependent on the entire special teams unit, it isn't really good for making an indictment against a punter. A guy could lead the league in punt yardage but not even make the top 10 for net yardage if the people in front of him aren't up to snuff.

You do realize that there are 32 starting punters in the league and he finished last and next to last in two of those categories? Go ahead and spin it anyway you want, but he wasn't worth the contract he was signed to.


You may as well quit arguing with him on this he defends klewe no matter what even though its quite obvious he wasn't worth the $1.2 million.

They could get the same thing paying half the price.
 
2014-01-02 07:56:34 PM  

WhyteRaven74: DamnYankees: Here are the stats for Kluwe the year he was released.

*31st in NFL in punts inside the 20
*22nd in NFL in avg punt yardage
*32nd in NFL for long punt
*17th in NFL in net yardag

The first stat depends a lot on where you punt from. If you're standing on your own 15 waiting for the snap, you're not likely to have the ball end up inside the other 20. If a punter is regularly punting from deep inside their own part of the field, you won't see many punts end up inside the 20. It's one of those stats that sounds nice, but without context doesn't mean much.

Net yardage is punt length minus return yardage. If your special teams guys aren't good at bringing down ball carriers, your punter's net yardage is going to suffer. Even if he boots a few 60 yarders, if half of them are returned 20 yards, the net is 40 yards per. So again, it's a statistic that without context doesn't say much. Also since it's very much dependent on the entire special teams unit, it isn't really good for making an indictment against a punter. A guy could lead the league in punt yardage but not even make the top 10 for net yardage if the people in front of him aren't up to snuff.


The flip-side of that "31st/punts inside the 20 yard-line is that he only had 2 punts all season that went into the end zone for a touchback.

BigOle8point: Shame Us: justtray: There are absolutely, five team at a minimum that would have been better overall with him

Who?

This. I'd like to know too.


Well, his 2012 net average would have placed him in 17th place again in 2013. So right there, that's 15 teams who had punters with a lower net avg. than Kluwe. I'm inclined to think that net avg. is the most important stat for a punter, but perhaps you would argue otherwise. So that leaves money and/or his mouth as pertinent factors.
 
2014-01-02 08:01:17 PM  

DrBenway: WhyteRaven74: DamnYankees: Here are the stats for Kluwe the year he was released.

*31st in NFL in punts inside the 20
*22nd in NFL in avg punt yardage
*32nd in NFL for long punt
*17th in NFL in net yardag

The first stat depends a lot on where you punt from. If you're standing on your own 15 waiting for the snap, you're not likely to have the ball end up inside the other 20. If a punter is regularly punting from deep inside their own part of the field, you won't see many punts end up inside the 20. It's one of those stats that sounds nice, but without context doesn't mean much.

Net yardage is punt length minus return yardage. If your special teams guys aren't good at bringing down ball carriers, your punter's net yardage is going to suffer. Even if he boots a few 60 yarders, if half of them are returned 20 yards, the net is 40 yards per. So again, it's a statistic that without context doesn't say much. Also since it's very much dependent on the entire special teams unit, it isn't really good for making an indictment against a punter. A guy could lead the league in punt yardage but not even make the top 10 for net yardage if the people in front of him aren't up to snuff.

The flip-side of that "31st/punts inside the 20 yard-line is that he only had 2 punts all season that went into the end zone for a touchback.

BigOle8point: Shame Us: justtray: There are absolutely, five team at a minimum that would have been better overall with him

Who?

This. I'd like to know too.

Well, his 2012 net average would have placed him in 17th place again in 2013. So right there, that's 15 teams who had punters with a lower net avg. than Kluwe. I'm inclined to think that net avg. is the most important stat for a punter, but perhaps you would argue otherwise. So that leaves money and/or his mouth as pertinent factors.


He was saying that there were 5 teams that would have been better with Tebow.
 
2014-01-02 08:03:30 PM  
Statement from Priefer, from the Minneapolis Star-Tribune:

I vehemently deny today's allegations made by Chris Kluwe.
I want to be clear that I do not tolerate discrimination of any type and am respectful of all individuals. I personally have gay family members who I love and support just as I do any family member.
The primary reason I entered coaching was to affect people in a positive way. As a coach, I have always created an accepting environment for my players, including Chris, and have looked to support them both on and off the field.
The comments today have not only attacked my character and insulted my professionalism, but they have also impacted my family. While my career focus is to be a great professional football coach, my number one priority has always been to be a protective husband and father to my wife and children.
I will continue to work hard for the Minnesota Vikings, the Wilf family and all of our loyal fans.
 
2014-01-02 08:06:49 PM  

rudemix: Wait til the Duck Dynasty fans get this news! There's nothing that gets them upset like someone being denied first amendment rights, at least first amendment rights as they believe them to be. Shouldn't be long before Facebook lights up in support of Kluwe.


Duck Dynasty guy = millions and millions of dollars for his employer

Minnesota punter = average net yardage per punt at a cost of three times his replacement

If A&E wants to fire the Duck Dynasty guy they have every right to but they won't because neither of these cases has anything to do with first amendment rights or discrimination.

A&E thought they would lose money if they didn't denounce Duck Dynasty guy and they found out they were wrong - maybe the Vikings will think the same thing but I doubt it.

It's all about the money.
 
2014-01-02 08:06:56 PM  

BigOle8point: You do realize that there are 32 starting punters in the league and he finished last and next to last in two of those categories? Go ahead and spin it anyway you want, but he wasn't worth the contract he was signed to.


You're aware that "long punt" isn't so much of a stat as an oddity (like long pass), and that punts downed inside the 20 are entirely dependent upon a) the team's field position when they punt, and b) the coverage team's ability to recover the ball, right?

He was mediocre, yes. Near the bottom, no.
 
2014-01-02 08:08:23 PM  

ariseatex: Statement from Priefer, from the Minneapolis Star-Tribune:

I vehemently deny today's allegations made by Chris Kluwe.
I want to be clear that I do not tolerate discrimination of any type and am respectful of all individuals. I personally have gay family members who I love and support just as I do any family member.
The primary reason I entered coaching was to affect people in a positive way. As a coach, I have always created an accepting environment for my players, including Chris, and have looked to support them both on and off the field.
The comments today have not only attacked my character and insulted my professionalism, but they have also impacted my family. While my career focus is to be a great professional football coach, my number one priority has always been to be a protective husband and father to my wife and children.
I will continue to work hard for the Minnesota Vikings, the Wilf family and all of our loyal fans.


Interesting. It's pretty rare to have two completely opposite accounts of what was said at a meeting when there are third party witnesses. I guess we'll see.
 
2014-01-02 08:11:49 PM  
I like the guy, and think he's right on all of this.

That being said, you lost your job because you're an outspoken punter, not because you're outspoken.
 
2014-01-02 08:14:41 PM  

DamnYankees: ariseatex: Statement from Priefer, from the Minneapolis Star-Tribune:

I vehemently deny today's allegations made by Chris Kluwe.
I want to be clear that I do not tolerate discrimination of any type and am respectful of all individuals. I personally have gay family members who I love and support just as I do any family member.
The primary reason I entered coaching was to affect people in a positive way. As a coach, I have always created an accepting environment for my players, including Chris, and have looked to support them both on and off the field.
The comments today have not only attacked my character and insulted my professionalism, but they have also impacted my family. While my career focus is to be a great professional football coach, my number one priority has always been to be a protective husband and father to my wife and children.
I will continue to work hard for the Minnesota Vikings, the Wilf family and all of our loyal fans.

Interesting. It's pretty rare to have two completely opposite accounts of what was said at a meeting when there are third party witnesses. I guess we'll see.


I agree.

And with the coaching staff being relieved of their duties the other players should have no issue with confirming one way or another - especially as it seems the owner was on the Kluwe's side.
 
2014-01-02 08:15:49 PM  

DamnYankees: ariseatex: Statement from Priefer, from the Minneapolis Star-Tribune:

I vehemently deny today's allegations made by Chris Kluwe.
I want to be clear that I do not tolerate discrimination of any type and am respectful of all individuals. I personally have gay family members who I love and support just as I do any family member.
The primary reason I entered coaching was to affect people in a positive way. As a coach, I have always created an accepting environment for my players, including Chris, and have looked to support them both on and off the field.
The comments today have not only attacked my character and insulted my professionalism, but they have also impacted my family. While my career focus is to be a great professional football coach, my number one priority has always been to be a protective husband and father to my wife and children.
I will continue to work hard for the Minnesota Vikings, the Wilf family and all of our loyal fans.

Interesting. It's pretty rare to have two completely opposite accounts of what was said at a meeting when there are third party witnesses. I guess we'll see.


Sounds like Blair Walsh is coming down on Priefer's side, at least in his public statement.
 
2014-01-02 08:16:54 PM  

BigOle8point: He was saying that there were 5 teams that would have been better with Tebow.


Doh!!! Well, in that case, yeah, add me to the list of the curious too. Hmm... did he specify NFL teams?
 
2014-01-02 08:18:53 PM  

ariseatex: Sounds like Blair Walsh is coming down on Priefer's side, at least in his public statement.


Well, he's defending Priefer generally, but he doesn't really rebut any specific things that Kluwe claimed.

Can we please move off the ST thought? Really, a huge story and the only people who have commented are the punter, kicker and ST coach? Can we get a real team leader in the mix? Matt Cassel, perhaps? Maybe Tarvaris?
 
2014-01-02 08:24:41 PM  

DamnYankees: ariseatex: Sounds like Blair Walsh is coming down on Priefer's side, at least in his public statement.

Well, he's defending Priefer generally, but he doesn't really rebut any specific things that Kluwe claimed.

Can we please move off the ST thought? Really, a huge story and the only people who have commented are the punter, kicker and ST coach? Can we get a real team leader in the mix? Matt Cassel, perhaps? Maybe Tarvaris?


Special teams punter says special teams coach made statements during special teams meeting that special teams kicker refutes but we need someone other than special team players commenting.

Don't worry, I'm sure the ladies on The View will weigh in tomorrow and clear this whole thing up.
 
2014-01-02 08:25:48 PM  

DamnYankees: ariseatex: Sounds like Blair Walsh is coming down on Priefer's side, at least in his public statement.

Well, he's defending Priefer generally, but he doesn't really rebut any specific things that Kluwe claimed.

Can we please move off the ST thought? Really, a huge story and the only people who have commented are the punter, kicker and ST coach? Can we get a real team leader in the mix? Matt Cassel, perhaps? Maybe Tarvaris?


The most damaging quote in question happened during a ST meeting according to Kluwe's account.  They're the only ones who could confirm or deny the "Nuke the gays" comment.

This thread has already shown that directly linking Kluwe's support of marriage equality to his firing would be difficult if not impossible.  The statement itself is more likely to lead to direct action from the Wilfs, if not the NFL.
 
2014-01-02 08:26:52 PM  

ariseatex: The most damaging quote in question happened during a ST meeting according to Kluwe's account.  They're the only ones who could confirm or deny the "Nuke the gays" comment.


I know, I was kidding.
 
2014-01-02 08:28:11 PM  

DamnYankees: ariseatex: The most damaging quote in question happened during a ST meeting according to Kluwe's account.  They're the only ones who could confirm or deny the "Nuke the gays" comment.

I know, I was kidding.


Never can be too sure.
 
2014-01-02 08:31:51 PM  
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/111273/most-important-of- c hris-kluwes-allegations

This is a pretty good summation of how both sides probably feel about the situation
 
2014-01-02 08:32:41 PM  

IAmRight: BigOle8point: You do realize that there are 32 starting punters in the league and he finished last and next to last in two of those categories? Go ahead and spin it anyway you want, but he wasn't worth the contract he was signed to.

You're aware that "long punt" isn't so much of a stat as an oddity (like long pass), and that punts downed inside the 20 are entirely dependent upon a) the team's field position when they punt, and b) the coverage team's ability to recover the ball, right?

He was mediocre, yes. Near the bottom, no.


If they punted from their own 20 yard line every time, I would agree with you however, 31st and 32nd out of 32 is statistically the worst. But my argument was, no matter how you or I or Kluwe spins it, he did not perform up to the expected standard that he was contracted for.
 
2014-01-02 08:46:29 PM  

BigOle8point: IAmRight: BigOle8point: You do realize that there are 32 starting punters in the league and he finished last and next to last in two of those categories? Go ahead and spin it anyway you want, but he wasn't worth the contract he was signed to.

You're aware that "long punt" isn't so much of a stat as an oddity (like long pass), and that punts downed inside the 20 are entirely dependent upon a) the team's field position when they punt, and b) the coverage team's ability to recover the ball, right?

He was mediocre, yes. Near the bottom, no.

If they punted from their own 20 yard line every time, I would agree with you however, 31st and 32nd out of 32 is statistically the worst. But my argument was, no matter how you or I or Kluwe spins it, he did not perform up to the expected standard that he was contracted for.


I keep telling you guys, just quit you won't win with them, they love him for some reason and anything he says is 100% correct. Even though its obvious he was being vastly overpaid for his production on the field.

Oh wait I just saw why IAR defends him, he's a pac12 player, he defend anyone from the pac12.
 
2014-01-02 08:46:29 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/111273/most-important-of- c hris-kluwes-allegations

This is a pretty good summation of how both sides probably feel about the situation


Key points:

I suppose we can note that Kluwe's advocacy had its limits; he wasn't willing to risk his job (or cause further distraction) by going public with the quotes immediately. But timing shouldn't discredit or lessen the impact of the revelation, assuming it is accurate. If that's the case, Priefer's career in the NFL might be over and his words should spark the same industry shakeup as the Miami Dolphins' hazing debacle from earlier this season. 

...

The NFL already was likely to establish new workplace rules when the Dolphins investigation is complete. The primary language in question in Miami was the N-word, but anti-gay sentiments -- in jest or otherwise -- should be considered just as seriously. In light of Kluwe's letter, I would imagine that nascent set of rules is about to get thicker.


The Vikings ownership effectively has two options: fire Priefer, or (if the allegation is false) come out strongly denouncing Kluwe for stirring shiat up.  Anything less not only keeps the story in the limelight, it also associates their organization with bigotry, real or implied.  The owner's statement was pretty middle-of-the-road to somewhat-favorable to Kluwe, but the longer any further action  takes, the worse it makes them look.
 
2014-01-02 08:49:56 PM  

ariseatex: Statement from Priefer, from the Minneapolis Star-Tribune:

I vehemently deny today's allegations made by Chris Kluwe.
I want to be clear that I do not tolerate discrimination of any type and am respectful of all individuals. I personally have gay family members who I love and support just as I do any family member.
The primary reason I entered coaching was to affect people in a positive way. As a coach, I have always created an accepting environment for my players, including Chris, and have looked to support them both on and off the field.
The comments today have not only attacked my character and insulted my professionalism, but they have also impacted my family. While my career focus is to be a great professional football coach, my number one priority has always been to be a protective husband and father to my wife and children.
I will continue to work hard for the Minnesota Vikings, the Wilf family and all of our loyal fans.


I'm not seeing a, "I did not say those things," or a, "I did not tell Chris to keep quiet," in this statement.
 
2014-01-02 08:50:15 PM  

ariseatex: Agent Nick Fury: http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/111273/most-important-of- c hris-kluwes-allegations

This is a pretty good summation of how both sides probably feel about the situation

Key points:

I suppose we can note that Kluwe's advocacy had its limits; he wasn't willing to risk his job (or cause further distraction) by going public with the quotes immediately. But timing shouldn't discredit or lessen the impact of the revelation, assuming it is accurate. If that's the case, Priefer's career in the NFL might be over and his words should spark the same industry shakeup as the Miami Dolphins' hazing debacle from earlier this season. 

...

The NFL already was likely to establish new workplace rules when the Dolphins investigation is complete. The primary language in question in Miami was the N-word, but anti-gay sentiments -- in jest or otherwise -- should be considered just as seriously. In light of Kluwe's letter, I would imagine that nascent set of rules is about to get thicker.

The Vikings ownership effectively has two options: fire Priefer, or (if the allegation is false) come out strongly denouncing Kluwe for stirring shiat up.  Anything less not only keeps the story in the limelight, it also associates their organization with bigotry, real or implied.  The owner's statement was pretty middle-of-the-road to somewhat-favorable to Kluwe, but the longer any further action  takes, the worse it makes them look.


That's why I think it's a good summation - there are definitely questions about Kluwe's motives but if what he said was true I don't think the Vikings will hesitate to rid themselves from Priefer - but he's already one foot out the door because a new coach will want his own staff.
 
2014-01-02 08:54:51 PM  

BigOle8point: If they punted from their own 20 yard line every time, I would agree with you however, 31st and 32nd out of 32 is statistically the worst. But my argument was, no matter how you or I or Kluwe spins it, he did not perform up to the expected standard that he was contracted for.


The long punt is not a statistic of any relevance. When you kick 80 times, who gives a flying f*ck if a punt returner screwed up on whether or not he should fair-catch a punt and it rolled for a bunch of extra yards one time? It's not a reflection of anything the punter did.

Oh, and he was 30th if you can count properly, in any case - two teams had punts that went 58 yards. His went 59. If the ball bounced an extra five yards on that punt, say, he'd be tied for 20th. It's a stupid "stat".
 
2014-01-02 08:56:24 PM  
I'm a huge Vikings fan and a huge fan of Kluwe. This whole thing sucks. I always admired him for his outspoken views because I agreed so much with what he said. It doesn't seem like him to make shiat up, so i'm inclined to believe what he said transpired.

I do agree, however, that it could be easily argued he was released for financial reasons. He was an average punter at best.

/really disappointing by Leslie, didn't love him as a coach, but I don't have a lot of respect for his character anymore
 
2014-01-02 08:58:59 PM  

Actual Farking: scottydoesntknow: Man could you imagine the outrage if a coach told Tebow to cool it with the Jesus stuff?

I can just see him literally hanging himself from a mock crucifix in front of the stadium.


He'll have to ask Kluwe to get off it first.
 
2014-01-02 09:00:17 PM  
A simple solution would be to just hire Alec Baldwin as the new special teams coach and then no matter what he says we can all just chuckle and it's just Alec being Alec.
 
2014-01-02 09:01:51 PM  
Man, some attention whores just don't get when their 15 minutes are up.
 
2014-01-02 09:04:07 PM  

steamingpile: Oh wait I just saw why IAR defends him, he's a pac12 player, he defend anyone from the pac12.


I actually forgot he went to UCLA until you mentioned it. As I've already said, he was mediocre and overpaid. All I'm saying is that legitimate statistics rather than stupid sh*t like "longest punt" put him in the mediocre range of punters rather than among the worst in the league.

I basically agree with everything that's been said in this thread that the NFL is all about "the grass that grows the tallest is the first to get cut" and that punters are very expendable, and that the Vikings had good reason to replace him. I'd just like people to stick to truths instead of using dumbass sh*t like "longest punt."

Again, that's like using "longest pass" as a measure of quarterbacking excellence.

Here's your Top 3 in the NFL in longest pass for the season:

Brandon Weeden, Carson Palmer, Matthew Stafford. Who the f*ck cares?
 
2014-01-02 09:06:42 PM  

BigOle8point: IAmRight: BigOle8point: You do realize that there are 32 starting punters in the league and he finished last and next to last in two of those categories? Go ahead and spin it anyway you want, but he wasn't worth the contract he was signed to.

You're aware that "long punt" isn't so much of a stat as an oddity (like long pass), and that punts downed inside the 20 are entirely dependent upon a) the team's field position when they punt, and b) the coverage team's ability to recover the ball, right?

He was mediocre, yes. Near the bottom, no.

If they punted from their own 20 yard line every time, I would agree with you however, 31st and 32nd out of 32 is statistically the worst. But my argument was, no matter how you or I or Kluwe spins it, he did not perform up to the expected standard that he was contracted for.


31st in a category that is entirely conditional and 2nd in the league in the categories suggests he was actually punting from pretty far out most of the time (touchbacks). That his net rank was much better than his punt distance rank suggests he was doing exactly as he said: shorter kicks to reduce returns.
 
2014-01-02 09:07:56 PM  
Hey guys, Robert Malone had the longest punt in the NFL this year! Maybe the Vikings should've picked him up. He was a league leader!

/he was cut two weeks into the season despite his one 84-yard punt
 
2014-01-02 09:10:02 PM  

IAmRight: BigOle8point: If they punted from their own 20 yard line every time, I would agree with you however, 31st and 32nd out of 32 is statistically the worst. But my argument was, no matter how you or I or Kluwe spins it, he did not perform up to the expected standard that he was contracted for.

The long punt is not a statistic of any relevance. When you kick 80 times, who gives a flying f*ck if a punt returner screwed up on whether or not he should fair-catch a punt and it rolled for a bunch of extra yards one time? It's not a reflection of anything the punter did.

Oh, and he was 30th if you can count properly, in any case - two teams had punts that went 58 yards. His went 59. If the ball bounced an extra five yards on that punt, say, he'd be tied for 20th. It's a stupid "stat".


You're getting caught up on trivia. The fact is that he was not worth the money he was being paid and was let go. Even if he was a model employee at every other facet of his job, he was replaced due to his subpar performance alone. His claim that he was let go because of his views is just that, his claim. No one else has backed his claim. Not a single person.
 
2014-01-02 09:14:33 PM  

Lost Thought 00: The NFL is an institutionally bigoted organization, and that will never change until Congress enacts laws making their discrimination illegal. If a player or coach uses homophobic language, they should be banned from the league immediately and without restitution.


Those laws are in place now.    NFL teams are going to need their coaches to go through some serious annual (quarterly?) HR training the way this decade is going, the 'sue the NFL workplace because it is essentially middle school stupid on steroids' lawsuit era has just begun.   I can't imagine them not losing the first few of these cases.   Sure some settlements will happen, but someone will go all the way to a courtroom at some point.  That  will be good TV too.

TLDR:  "Begun the NFL HR wars have."
 
2014-01-02 09:15:14 PM  

ariseatex: netweavr: Vikings responded already

FTFR: As an organization, the Vikings consistently strive to create a supportive, respectful and accepting environment for all of our players, coaches and front office personnel. We do not tolerate discrimination at any level. The team has long respected our players' and associates' individual rights, and, as Chris specifically stated, Vikings ownership supports and promotes tolerance, including on the subject of marriage equality.

Sounds like they'll be investigating the "nuke the gays" comment (if Kluwe's statement is accurate, there were plenty of witnesses), as it doesn't sound like the type of organization that would accept that on company time.  Priefer's days may be numbered there.


Unless it involves millions of bucks from the NFL coffers due to lawsuits, Goodell won't give a shiat.
 
2014-01-02 09:16:54 PM  

This Looks Fun: Regardless of why he was released, this Vikes fan was sad to see him go. If he was released for his speech, we'll never know because his play was mediocre enough and his salary was high enough to (almost) justify it. Kind of hard to explain why he is out of work though. That he, Ayanbadejo , and Collins are all out of work is... interesting.


Ayanbadejo is a 37 year old primarily special teams LB on a team with cap issues. He was replaced for the same reasons the Vikings claim Kluwe was - roughly equal performance from much cheaper players. Also, he pretty much stated that himself when he was cut and was totally cool with it and happy with the Ravens in general. As a Ravens fan, I still would have liked to see him come back, but that's business.

ariseatex: DamnYankees: ariseatex: The most damaging quote in question happened during a ST meeting according to Kluwe's account.  They're the only ones who could confirm or deny the "Nuke the gays" comment.

I know, I was kidding.

Never can be too sure.


You can be sure because his examples of "real team leaders" included Cassel...
 
2014-01-02 09:20:23 PM  
Kinda seems, given his history, that he was fired for being a vulgar and insufferable know-it-all who was also a punter, meaning he could be replaced at a moment's notice.

Why, from a business/winning standpoint, would the Vikings organization keep him around when he was a distraction to the team and a potential public relations problem (moreso for the childish language than the gay-marriage stance)?

If I understand correctly, he was also on the verge of earning the veteran's minimum salary.  So why pay more for a guy who isn't really worth the potential trouble caused?  The Vikings have no reason to justify themselves in the scope of larger social justice.

The fact that he wrote a whiny and self-indulgent article reaming his bosses really just solidifies the Vikings' decision.
 
2014-01-02 09:22:02 PM  
zurevla.nl

...and a shiatty punter.
 
2014-01-02 09:24:43 PM  

EnormousGreenRageMonster: You can be sure because his examples of "real team leaders" included Cassel...


TWIST: DamnYankees is Cassel's mother.

OtherLittleGuy: Unless it involves millions of bucks from the NFL coffers due to lawsuits, Goodell won't give a shiat.


He'd give a shiat in order to avoid lawsuits that would damage the league's image.
 
2014-01-02 09:28:48 PM  
OtherLittleGuy:

Unless it involves millions of bucks from the NFL coffers due to lawsuits, Goodell won't give a shiat.

Anyone have stats on Kluwe jersey sales and now his outspokenness affected them?   My google skills have failed me today..
 
2014-01-02 09:29:05 PM  

BigOle8point: Even if he was a model employee at every other facet of his job, he was replaced due to his subpar performance alone.


Well, no. You can make the argument that he could have been. But they also could have approached him about reducing his contract or, really, anything to let him know that they were looking in a different direction.

As most everyone has said, his opinions and attitude toward those telling him not to may not have been the reason for him being fired, but they are likely a part of his not getting hired by anyone else, and are likely to have played a role in his being let go.

As someone who works in both football and PR, I'd love to have the types of public relations "problems" Kluwe brings.

But I'm not in the NFL so we actually would like people to notice us, as opposed to the NFL which wants everyone not to notice anything behind a facemask.
 
2014-01-02 09:31:02 PM  
It's okay, though. Sometimes a work environment is toxic; you're better off leaving it even if it does pay more than anything else you're going to get. Lord knows I've dealt with enough "superiors" who can't get their sh*t straight and demand two opposite things of you while telling you to ignore what the other said, and either way you're going to end up catching hell due to their incompetence.
 
2014-01-02 09:39:29 PM  

IAmRight: As someone who works in both football and PR, I'd love to have the types of public relations "problems" Kluwe brings.


I'm curious, what would you do if you were instead in the Vikings PR position, having a former employee point out that "Nuke the gays" comments from current employees went unpunished?
 
2014-01-02 09:42:30 PM  

Boxcutta: Actual Farking: scottydoesntknow: Man could you imagine the outrage if a coach told Tebow to cool it with the Jesus stuff?

I can just see him literally hanging himself from a mock crucifix in front of the stadium.

He'll have to ask Kluwe to get off it first.


Fair point.
 
2014-01-02 09:47:58 PM  

Neeek: BigOle8point: IAmRight: BigOle8point: You do realize that there are 32 starting punters in the league and he finished last and next to last in two of those categories? Go ahead and spin it anyway you want, but he wasn't worth the contract he was signed to.

You're aware that "long punt" isn't so much of a stat as an oddity (like long pass), and that punts downed inside the 20 are entirely dependent upon a) the team's field position when they punt, and b) the coverage team's ability to recover the ball, right?

He was mediocre, yes. Near the bottom, no.

If they punted from their own 20 yard line every time, I would agree with you however, 31st and 32nd out of 32 is statistically the worst. But my argument was, no matter how you or I or Kluwe spins it, he did not perform up to the expected standard that he was contracted for.

31st in a category that is entirely conditional and 2nd in the league in the categories suggests he was actually punting from pretty far out most of the time (touchbacks). That his net rank was much better than his punt distance rank suggests he was doing exactly as he said: shorter kicks to reduce returns.


You know what kills your argument? The fact no other team picked him up which most likely would have forced him to sign a new deal instead of $1 million for an average punter.

Now that he's put this out there he probably won't get a contract or even an invite to camp for being a team distraction.

He's effectively farked himself for next year as well, good job.
 
2014-01-02 09:48:32 PM  

ariseatex: I'm curious, what would you do if you were instead in the Vikings PR position, having a former employee point out that "Nuke the gays" comments from current employees went unpunished?


Obviously you do what they've already done - point out how inclusive the ownership is and that those statements do not represent your organization's viewpoints, say you're investigating the coach and whether or not that was said, etc. If the dude actually said it, it's up to other people to fire him, but you'd hope that within your organizational culture they're not having you say one thing while they lie behind your back.

/haven't really had to deal with any politically-charged things, however
//none of our stories are going to be national unless maybe someone kills someone on the field
 
2014-01-02 09:50:06 PM  

steamingpile: You know what kills your argument? The fact no other team picked him up which most likely would have forced him to sign a new deal instead of $1 million for an average punter.


Yeah, because NFL teams have never stayed away from someone with off-field issues despite the fact that the player would be an improvement over the stiffs they have. That's NEVER happened.
 
2014-01-02 09:53:10 PM  
This is part of why Richard Sherman will be less noisy when his skills start to decline. The pomp helps you get coverage and people to notice you (when they pretty much never notice defensive players), but when you start becoming less useful, unless you're a franchise-defining player like Ray Lewis, you become more of a liability than an asset and no one else is going to pick you up.

/I pick Sherman because he's probably the current loudest player but he's also smart enough and media-savvy enough to realize what steps he needs to take before he needs to take them
 
2014-01-02 09:54:39 PM  
Anyone think that the other reason he decided to publish this now was as a way of shining light on the Aaron Rodgers situation without actually saying anything about it? I mean, how else are you going to say, "shut up and stop trying to drag the guy out of the closet and into a hostile environment," without actually saying anything directly?
 
2014-01-02 09:56:13 PM  

rynthetyn: Anyone think that the other reason he decided to publish this now was as a way of shining light on the Aaron Rodgers situation without actually saying anything about it? I mean, how else are you going to say, "shut up and stop trying to drag the guy out of the closet and into a hostile environment," without actually saying anything directly?


It was weird that he didn't mention something about the ST coach being up for the HC position as the reason he published it now - that seemed like it would've been a good, legitimate reason.
 
2014-01-02 09:56:20 PM  

IAmRight: BigOle8point: Even if he was a model employee at every other facet of his job, he was replaced due to his subpar performance alone.

Well, no. You can make the argument that he could have been. But they also could have approached him about reducing his contract or, really, anything to let him know that they were looking in a different direction.

As most everyone has said, his opinions and attitude toward those telling him not to may not have been the reason for him being fired, but they are likely a part of his not getting hired by anyone else, and are likely to have played a role in his being let go.

As someone who works in both football and PR, I'd love to have the types of public relations "problems" Kluwe brings.

But I'm not in the NFL so we actually would like people to notice us, as opposed to the NFL which wants everyone not to notice anything behind a facemask.

ariseatex: IAmRight: As someone who works in both football and PR, I'd love to have the types of public relations "problems" Kluwe brings.

I'm curious, what would you do if you were instead in the Vikings PR position, having a former employee point out that "Nuke the gays" comments from current employees went unpunished?


Hold on a second there. It has went unpunished because it hasn't been confirmed as being fact. The only one saying it is Kluwe. All other parties have backed the coach.
 
2014-01-02 09:57:44 PM  

rynthetyn: Anyone think that the other reason he decided to publish this now was as a way of shining light on the Aaron Rodgers situation without actually saying anything about it? I mean, how else are you going to say, "shut up and stop trying to drag the guy out of the closet and into a hostile environment," without actually saying anything directly?


Yeah. I mean, other than the fact that Aaron Rodgers not gay and Chris Kluwe makes absolutely everything about Chris Kluwe, that could totally be it.
 
2014-01-02 09:58:25 PM  

BigOle8point: All other parties have backed the coach.


Well, one other party has. (The coach himself doesn't count).
 
2014-01-02 10:00:13 PM  

rynthetyn: Anyone think that the other reason he decided to publish this now was as a way of shining light on the Aaron Rodgers situation without actually saying anything about it? I mean, how else are you going to say, "shut up and stop trying to drag the guy out of the closet and into a hostile environment," without actually saying anything directly?


I could see that...

I'll be honest, part of me is mad at Kluwe for not saying something sooner.  That way the focus would be on the comments themselves, and they wouldn't get lost behind the "was he fired for being pro-equality?" back and forth.
 
2014-01-02 10:02:36 PM  

IAmRight: BigOle8point: All other parties have backed the coach.

Well, one other party has. (The coach himself doesn't count).


The coach counts as much as Kluwe does.
 
2014-01-02 10:09:21 PM  
Even if he was becoming too much if a PR problem and his numbers were fading, who the hell drafts a punter in the 4th round?

Seriously that's just strange to me given there are about 50 of them looking for a job every year
 
2014-01-02 10:10:31 PM  

rynthetyn: Anyone think that the other reason he decided to publish this now was as a way of shining light on the Aaron Rodgers situation without actually saying anything about it? I mean, how else are you going to say, "shut up and stop trying to drag the guy out of the closet and into a hostile environment," without actually saying anything directly?


Its irrelevant since Rodgers isn't gay and the article was known to be bullshiat but since american laws suck regarding defamation he can't sue and win.
 
2014-01-02 10:11:09 PM  

dentalhilljack: It's cool and all to throw the special teams coach under the bus, but shouldn't we wait for some validation from other players that he actually did say the homophobic stuff before branding him with the rainbow iron?


/Nah, this is the Internet!
//Those waitress no-tip receipts were real too!!!!


The Vikings finished last. Most of them are likely to be fearing for their jobs too. They won't say a word.
 
2014-01-02 10:14:15 PM  
 
2014-01-02 10:16:49 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: A simple solution would be to just hire Alec Baldwin as the new special teams coach and then no matter what he says we can all just chuckle and it's just Alec being Alec.


...and then we fire him. You left out that part.
 
2014-01-02 10:18:25 PM  

Gosling: dentalhilljack: It's cool and all to throw the special teams coach under the bus, but shouldn't we wait for some validation from other players that he actually did say the homophobic stuff before branding him with the rainbow iron?


/Nah, this is the Internet!
//Those waitress no-tip receipts were real too!!!!

The Vikings finished last. Most of them are likely to be fearing for their jobs too. They won't say a word.


Pretty much. For the same reason someone as outspoken as Kluwe shut his pie hole while actually working with the guy, no one currently under contract is going to take a shot at him. Especially since it sounds like the organization as a whole respects him (rumours that he was the only in-house guy with a shot at the HC job now that Frazier is gone). Much like no one on the Dolphins would say a word about the coaches, even while the "Did you order the Code Red?" stuff was going around a few months ago.
 
2014-01-02 10:20:29 PM  

beergut666: http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2014/01/homophobic_vikings_coach_m i ke_priefers_son_enjoys_calling_people_gay_on_twitter.php

Looks like the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.


I can tell you haven't spent much time around adolescent boys.
 
2014-01-02 10:35:34 PM  

IAmRight: Again, that's like using "longest pass" as a measure of quarterbacking excellence.

Here's your Top 3 in the NFL in longest pass for the season:

Brandon Weeden, Carson Palmer, Matthew Stafford. Who the f*ck cares?


Weirdly, it might actually be a better indicator of receiving prowess. Weeden's pass was to Josh Gordon, where he fought for a ball when the defender jumped the route with no help. The Stafford throw was, naturally, to Megatron, who broke a tackle and ran about 60 of his 87 yards.  The middle one is weird, but it also showed the receiver's abilities: Michael Floyd (not Larry Fitzgerald) broke about four tackles on the play and took it to the house.

/The Jags were victims in two of those three, though.
//And Dick Stockton called two of those three.
 
2014-01-02 11:01:26 PM  

IlGreven: IAmRight: Again, that's like using "longest pass" as a measure of quarterbacking excellence.

Here's your Top 3 in the NFL in longest pass for the season:

Brandon Weeden, Carson Palmer, Matthew Stafford. Who the f*ck cares?

Weirdly, it might actually be a better indicator of receiving prowess.


On the longest passes, it frequently is. I don't know if it still is, but at the time Shannon Sharpe's 96 yard TD against the Raiders in the Ravens first SB run was the longest in post-season history. Dilfer only threw it about 15 yards in the air, the rest was Sharpe splitting the safeties and hauling ass.
 
2014-01-02 11:01:29 PM  

BigOle8point: beergut666: http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2014/01/homophobic_vikings_coach_m i ke_priefers_son_enjoys_calling_people_gay_on_twitter.php

Looks like the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.

I can tell you haven't spent much time around adolescent boys.


So, Dad's either an NFL assistant coach who is a negligent nincompoop who doesn't monitor his son's public twitter usage, or he's content with the banter, supporting the plausibility of the allegations.    Yes, I guess I'm narrating.

IlGreven: Weirdly, it might actually be a better indicator of receiving prowess. Weeden's pass was to Josh Gordon, where he fought for a ball when the defender jumped the route with no help. The Stafford throw was, naturally, to Megatron, who broke a tackle and ran about 60 of his 87 yards.  The middle one is weird, but it also showed the receiver's abilities: Michael Floyd (not Larry Fitzgerald) broke about four tackles on the play and took it to the house.

/The Jags were victims in two of those three, though.
//And Dick Stockton called two of those three.


Dude.   Good stuff.
 
2014-01-02 11:03:26 PM  

Boxcutta: rynthetyn: Anyone think that the other reason he decided to publish this now was as a way of shining light on the Aaron Rodgers situation without actually saying anything about it? I mean, how else are you going to say, "shut up and stop trying to drag the guy out of the closet and into a hostile environment," without actually saying anything directly?

Yeah. I mean, other than the fact that Aaron Rodgers not gay and Chris Kluwe makes absolutely everything about Chris Kluwe, that could totally be it.


Aaron Rodgers gave the most unconvincing denial since Tom Daley the diver. And Tom Daley ended up coming out 4 months later. I'm not saying for sure that Rodgers is gay, but considering that the ex-roommate isn't talking and Rodgers gave the kind of denial that didn't actually say he was straight, just "not gay," while simultaneously sounding unconvincing in his hyperbole about liking women, and well, I'm more inclined to believe the rumor now than if he'd kept his mouth shut.
 
2014-01-02 11:26:45 PM  
I should also toss in for the record, in addition to Oakland, Kluwe tried out for the Bears, Bills and Bengals.

*The Bears brought in six punters to try out for Adam Podlesh's job, Kluwe included. They stuck with Podlesh.
*The Bills had cut Shawn Powell. Kluwe tried out. They went with Adam Moorman instead.
*The Bengals watched Kevin Huber get decapitated. Kluwe tried out. They went with freshly-cut Shawn Powell instead.
 
2014-01-02 11:38:10 PM  

Boxcutta: Actual Farking: scottydoesntknow: Man could you imagine the outrage if a coach told Tebow to cool it with the Jesus stuff?

I can just see him literally hanging himself from a mock crucifix in front of the stadium.

He'll have to ask Kluwe to get off it first.


This.

Sour grapes party of one, your table's ready! Being down with the gay doesn't entitle you to an open ended NFL contract. Especially when you're severely under performing for what you're being paid. He is severely over performing at martyring himself though. So there's that!
 
2014-01-02 11:38:25 PM  

Gosling: I should also toss in for the record, in addition to Oakland, Kluwe tried out for the Bears, Bills and Bengals.

*The Bears brought in six punters to try out for Adam Podlesh's job, Kluwe included. They stuck with Podlesh.
*The Bills had cut Shawn Powell. Kluwe tried out. They went with Adam Moorman instead.
*The Bengals watched Kevin Huber get decapitated. Kluwe tried out. They went with freshly-cut Shawn Powell instead.


And why did they keep all those guys instead of Kluwe?  $$$.  As an 8 year yet he gets 1.2 million versus 500k for the other guys.  When there is a cap, every cent counts and unless you have Andy Lee or Shane Lechtler you don't pay punters that kind of money.
 
2014-01-02 11:46:37 PM  

bluenote13: And why did they keep all those guys instead of Kluwe? $$$. As an 8 year yet he gets 1.2 million versus 500k for the other guys. When there is a cap, every cent counts and unless you have Andy Lee or Shane Lechtler you don't pay punters that kind of money.


They certainly didn't keep those guys over Kluwe because of talent. Kluwe may not be the best punter around, but I'd absolutely want him over Podlesh, Moorman or Powell. A good punter may not need to cost you money, but a bad one's going to cost you games.
 
2014-01-02 11:47:44 PM  
the best part is a football coach claiming you don't talk about "politics or religion" in the nfl.  if that was the case who would everyone give thanks to after every touchdown?
 
2014-01-02 11:53:48 PM  

FraggleStickCar: Kinda seems, given his history, that he was fired for being a vulgar and insufferable know-it-all who was also a punter, meaning he could be replaced at a moment's notice.

Why, from a business/winning standpoint, would the Vikings organization keep him around when he was a distraction to the team and a potential public relations problem (moreso for the childish language than the gay-marriage stance)?

If I understand correctly, he was also on the verge of earning the veteran's minimum salary.  So why pay more for a guy who isn't really worth the potential trouble caused?  The Vikings have no reason to justify themselves in the scope of larger social justice.

The fact that he wrote a whiny and self-indulgent article reaming his bosses really just solidifies the Vikings' decision.


As said in this thread, Kluwe was a below average punter making $1.2 million. You can sign an undrafted college player who will do as good of a job (or better) who will make 1/3 that. Kluwe was cut because a guy they could pay 1/3 of his salary can do as good of a job or better. Punters, in general, make near the bottom of salary. Good punters will make more, but Kluwe just wasn't that good of a punter. He was probably ranked 25th or so of the starting punters, which isn't worth even close to $1.2 mil.
 
2014-01-03 12:20:19 AM  

bluenote13: And why did they keep all those guys instead of Kluwe?  $$$.  As an 8 year yet he gets 1.2 million versus 500k for the other guys.  When there is a cap, every cent counts and unless you have Andy Lee or Shane Lechtler you don't pay punters that kind of money.


First of all, the Bills went with Brian Moorman, not Adam Moorman or whoever the hell that is. Secondly, Moorman has been punting in the NFL since 2001 so he makes more than the minimum for Kluwe would've been...but he also used to be the Bills punter; they signed him to a 10-year extension at one point then realized they didn't want to keep paying him that much so they cut him a while ago and eventually got him back. (Powell replaced Moorman in Buffalo; then they went and got him back).

So a) other guys aren't making less than he would. b) Neither of the guys you listed are even the highest-paid punters in the league (the Colquitts are Nos. 1 and 2).

Moorman had a worse net average than Kluwe last year while playing in Dallas (so you can't use the weather as an excuse). Adam Podlesh of the Bears posts considerably worse gross and net averages and makes $1.7 million/year.

Of course, Britton Colquitt went from being the No. 3 P in the league in net average last year to No. 24 this year with fewer punts downed inside the 20, so hey, maybe one year of stats isn't particularly meaningful. Johnny Hekker had numbers pretty darn close to Kluwe's last year - this year he was the league's best punter.

machoprogrammer: Kluwe was cut because a guy they could pay 1/3 of his salary can do as good of a job or better.


Well, not really, as the Bills found out with Moorman. They hired an undrafted guy to come take his spot because they didn't want to pay him; he sucked, they ended up cutting him and getting Moorman back. Fortunately, he's a punter so no one cares, but can you imagine if people approached players at other positions this way consistently? Hell, Powell was actually worse than Moorman this year, and Moorman was the fourth-worst punter (net yardage) in the league.
 
2014-01-03 12:21:34 AM  

IAmRight: First of all, the Bills went with Brian Moorman, not Adam Moorman or whoever the hell that is


I was only one first letter off.
 
2014-01-03 12:26:56 AM  
Hell, Mat McBriar keeps getting paid. He was the worst punter in the NFL (net) in 2012, and 2nd worst to Sav Rocca in 2013 (Rocca's got team coverage issues - has lots downed inside the 20 and a good gross average, but teams average 16 yards/return against the 'Skins).

/hey, he was tied for 28th best in 2011, and...1st in 2010. *checks* Well, that was a hell of a cyst he had removed. Took him from consistently one of the league's best punters to consistently one of the worst. But if it were all about performance, he wouldn't keep getting hired.
 
2014-01-03 12:32:50 AM  

Gosling: bluenote13: And why did they keep all those guys instead of Kluwe? $$$. As an 8 year yet he gets 1.2 million versus 500k for the other guys. When there is a cap, every cent counts and unless you have Andy Lee or Shane Lechtler you don't pay punters that kind of money.

They certainly didn't keep those guys over Kluwe because of talent. Kluwe may not be the best punter around, but I'd absolutely want him over Podlesh, Moorman or Powell. A good punter may not need to cost you money, but a bad one's going to cost you games.


The problem as I think you stated but others missed is that any team that signed him would have had to take a $1.2M hit and keep him on the roster all year which would have meant he had to have a hell of a tryout.

Now he had a good shot at coming back next year, at a reduced rate, except now that hes shot his mouth off most teams wouldnt touch him thinking hes going to be a problem in the locker room. Basically hes a moron.
 
2014-01-03 12:42:00 AM  

steamingpile: The problem as I think you stated but others missed is that any team that signed him would have had to take a $1.2M hit and keep him on the roster all year which would have meant he had to have a hell of a tryout.


No, they wouldn't. But keep making things up!
 
2014-01-03 12:43:16 AM  

steamingpile: Gosling: bluenote13: And why did they keep all those guys instead of Kluwe? $$$. As an 8 year yet he gets 1.2 million versus 500k for the other guys. When there is a cap, every cent counts and unless you have Andy Lee or Shane Lechtler you don't pay punters that kind of money.

They certainly didn't keep those guys over Kluwe because of talent. Kluwe may not be the best punter around, but I'd absolutely want him over Podlesh, Moorman or Powell. A good punter may not need to cost you money, but a bad one's going to cost you games.

The problem as I think you stated but others missed is that any team that signed him would have had to take a $1.2M hit and keep him on the roster all year which would have meant he had to have a hell of a tryout.

Now he had a good shot at coming back next year, at a reduced rate, except now that hes shot his mouth off most teams wouldnt touch him thinking hes going to be a problem in the locker room. Basically hes a moron.


or he's not a moron and doesn't really care if he plays again and would rather point out how much of a bigoted asshat that the vikings' special teams coach is.

/he says he realizes his career is most likely done.
 
2014-01-03 12:44:07 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: boyofd: On the other hand, his replacement had almost identical stats, so it seems like a stretch to believe that he was replaced solely for talent/production reasons.

His replacement had identical stats and cost one-third as much.

Would you rather play $9 for a sandwich or $3 for a sandwich if you knew they would taste the same?


Not exactly the same thing, though. In this case, the Vikings had to draft a punter to replace Kluwe - they took one of the best collegiate punters to replace him. The salary was the same, but the pick means they missed out on an opportunity to improve the team elsewhere.

The real issue is that the Vikings were just about over the cap as it was, and entered the season less than a million under after all was said and done. The would certainly have been over it if they were paying Kluwe. Kluwe was a slightly above average punter by most measures, but slightly above average players don't stick around forever when their veteran minimum salary means that teams can get a younger, cheaper and more projectible replacement via the draft.
 
2014-01-03 12:48:14 AM  

A Fark Handle: or he's not a moron and doesn't really care if he plays again and would rather point out how much of a bigoted asshat that the vikings' special teams coach is.

/he says he realizes his career is most likely done.


Except unless he has proof he said all these things it will never come out and look more like Kluwe is a bitter former player, he could have kept his mouth shut until he got others to come out with him or catch him at a moment when he farked up.

And his career wasnt done, he wouldnt be making his old salary sure but he would have been in the 500k-700k range, but now its done thanks to saying shiat that cant be proven.
 
2014-01-03 12:50:48 AM  

IAmRight: Hell, Mat McBriar keeps getting paid. He was the worst punter in the NFL (net) in 2012, and 2nd worst to Sav Rocca in 2013 (Rocca's got team coverage issues - has lots downed inside the 20 and a good gross average, but teams average 16 yards/return against the 'Skins).

/hey, he was tied for 28th best in 2011, and...1st in 2010. *checks* Well, that was a hell of a cyst he had removed. Took him from consistently one of the league's best punters to consistently one of the worst. But if it were all about performance, he wouldn't keep getting hired.


I have to admit that you have swayed me. Looking at everything, Kluwe was not that bad as a punter and the contract wasn't exorbitant. Weird that they would pick a punter in the 5th round and only one of two punters in the 2005 draft, say it was an open competition then release Kluwe like ?two week later?. But didn't they pretty much do the same thing with the K position in the draft with Blair Walsh?
 
2014-01-03 12:56:25 AM  

steamingpile: A Fark Handle: or he's not a moron and doesn't really care if he plays again and would rather point out how much of a bigoted asshat that the vikings' special teams coach is.

/he says he realizes his career is most likely done.

Except unless he has proof he said all these things it will never come out and look more like Kluwe is a bitter former player, he could have kept his mouth shut until he got others to come out with him or catch him at a moment when he farked up.

And his career wasnt done, he wouldnt be making his old salary sure but he would have been in the 500k-700k range, but now its done thanks to saying shiat that cant be proven.


He couldn't get paid in the 500k-700k range. The NFLPA would have thrown a fit. As a 10 year vet his minimum was over 950k.
 
2014-01-03 01:05:25 AM  
Kluwe is a typical politically correct type convinced he is a better person than everyone else. So, he is entitled to whatever he wants. Always.

Anyone that says different is this, that and the other thing. Tell us now how you don't own a TV or drink bottled water. Gosh, we are impressed.
 
2014-01-03 01:08:24 AM  
This is just a preview of how a gay player is expected to be treated in the NFL.

Give him what he wants, always. Always start him, NEVER cut him or trade him. Because that is phobic or something.

Nobody hit him too hard, and don't shiat talk him on the field or anywhere else. That's a lawsuit.
 
2014-01-03 01:11:06 AM  

Neeek: He couldn't get paid in the 500k-700k range. The NFLPA would have thrown a fit. As a 10 year vet his minimum was over 950k.


He hasnt met that yet has he? He didnt come in until 2005 and didnt play last year which means he wouldnt meet 10 years of service until 2016, if Im doing the math right and Im not sure how that works and if he has to be with the team at the start or from the pre-season on. He didnt come to the vikings until after seattle wanted to put him on their practice squad then he didnt pass waivers, weirdly he would have fit in better there.
 
2014-01-03 01:13:15 AM  

Flying Lasagna Monster: [zurevla.nl image 290x394]

...and a shiatty punter.


Suddenly, I'm hungry for a peach.
 
2014-01-03 01:14:04 AM  

barneyfifesbullet: This is just a preview of how a gay player is expected to be treated in the NFL.

Give him what he wants, always. Always start him, NEVER cut him or trade him. Because that is phobic or something.

Nobody hit him too hard, and don't shiat talk him on the field or anywhere else. That's a lawsuit.


8/10... just enough for a bite...

Kluwe called out a coach who wished for the killing of all gay people on the planet.

How do you get whateverthefark your just derped up out of Kluwe wanting someone to be held accountable for hateful and violent rhetoric?
 
2014-01-03 01:21:33 AM  
KEEP ME AROUND AND PAY ME THREE TIMES WHAT A BETTER REPLACEMENT MAKES OR YOU ARE A BUNCH OF GAY HATING BIGOTS!!!!

If he was half as courageous as he purports to be he would have spoke up when he supposedly heard those anti-gay remarks. Not wait around for it to be painfully obvious that his career was over because he's no longer capable of justifying his paycheck with his skill.

I'm sure this will get a bunch of the perpetually outraged to run out and buy his book though so good on him for that.
 
2014-01-03 01:21:43 AM  

BigOle8point: But didn't they pretty much do the same thing with the K position in the draft with Blair Walsh?


Longwell was pretty old.

But I did find an interesting quote from Kluwe from when Longwell was released:

"Sad to see Ryan go, both as a teammate and as a friend," Kluwe said on Twitter. "Unfortunately, that's the business of the NFL; we all get replaced eventually."
 
2014-01-03 01:25:38 AM  

Transpogue: Kluwe called out a coach who wished for the killing of all gay people on the planet.


Allegedly, nobody has backed up his claims and no audio recordings have come out.
 
2014-01-03 01:27:05 AM  

steamingpile: A Fark Handle: or he's not a moron and doesn't really care if he plays again and would rather point out how much of a bigoted asshat that the vikings' special teams coach is.

/he says he realizes his career is most likely done.

Except unless he has proof he said all these things it will never come out and look more like Kluwe is a bitter former player, he could have kept his mouth shut until he got others to come out with him or catch him at a moment when he farked up.

And his career wasnt done, he wouldnt be making his old salary sure but he would have been in the 500k-700k range, but now its done thanks to saying shiat that cant be proven.


turns out "proof" will be up to other special team players risking being fired.  it's not common practice for a punter to record all his meetings with various coaches.  and he had to get at least $850K or so as an 8 year vet.  that said, is it really hard to believe that a football coach could be bigoted?  it's he said, he said.  the one thing that kluwe has going for him is a track record of being open, honest, and thoughtful.  the coach has a track record of being a special teams coach for a shiatty team. also, who the fark drafts a punter?  is al davis corpse running the vikings?
 
2014-01-03 01:27:48 AM  
I can't help but wonder if the Duck Dynasty fans are up in arms about this guy's 1st Amendment rights here.

Remember, as they understand it, if your job fires you for speaking your mind, it's a sign that Obama has suspended the Constitution. Someone had better call Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal immediately.
 
2014-01-03 01:31:34 AM  

steamingpile: Transpogue: Kluwe called out a coach who wished for the killing of all gay people on the planet.

Allegedly, nobody has backed up his claims and no audio recordings have come out.


nixon was the last fool stupid enough to audio record all meetings.
 
2014-01-03 01:33:21 AM  

Mikey1969: I can't help but wonder if the Duck Dynasty fans are up in arms about this guy's 1st Amendment rights here.

Remember, as they understand it, if your job fires you for speaking your mind, it's a sign that Obama has suspended the Constitution. Someone had better call Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal immediately.


to be fair that one duck dynasty dude (not the openly bigoted one - i think?) was a better quarterback than terry bradshaw.  and a good quarterback is a lot more important than a punter.
 
2014-01-03 01:35:19 AM  

A Fark Handle: it's not common practice for a punter to record all his meetings with various coaches.


In retrospect, though, he probably should've done it if he was planning on doing this at some point anyway. Also, it's not THAT rare for teams to draft punters. A couple get drafted every year.
 
2014-01-03 01:38:55 AM  

IAmRight: Also, it's not THAT rare for teams to draft punters. A couple get drafted every year.


i know.  granted that means you're looking at an expect draft rate of one punter every 11-16 years per team.  and yet the vikings had a punter that was performing decently and still did.
 
2014-01-03 01:39:55 AM  

Mikey1969: I can't help but wonder if the Duck Dynasty fans are up in arms about this guy's 1st Amendment rights here.

Remember, as they understand it, if your job fires you for speaking your mind, it's a sign that Obama has suspended the Constitution. Someone had better call Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal immediately.


Is there a show that will cost A&E 1/3 as much and get equal or higher ratings than Duck Dynasty with the added benefit of appeasing the OUTRAGED BECAUSE SOME GUY ON SOME SHOW SAID SOMETHING IN A MAGAZINE crowd waiting in the wings for A&E to pickup instead? Of course not. Stupid straw-man is stupid.
 
2014-01-03 01:43:18 AM  

MoeSzyslak: Is there a show that will cost A&E 1/3 as much and get equal or higher ratings than Duck Dynasty with the added benefit of appeasing the OUTRAGED BECAUSE SOME GUY ON SOME SHOW SAID SOMETHING IN A MAGAZINE crowd waiting in the wings for A&E to pickup instead? Of course not.


Probably. If there's one thing we've learned from reality TV it's that people LOVE stupid things that don't cost much money or require any brains to create/consume.
 
2014-01-03 01:48:10 AM  
For everyone but Kluwe himself apparently. Replace him with an equally good but 1/3 the price player and you're all cowards and bigots. Chris Kluwe would by wise to get the fark over himself.

img.fark.net
 
2014-01-03 01:48:19 AM  

A Fark Handle: steamingpile: A Fark Handle: or he's not a moron and doesn't really care if he plays again and would rather point out how much of a bigoted asshat that the vikings' special teams coach is.

/he says he realizes his career is most likely done.

Except unless he has proof he said all these things it will never come out and look more like Kluwe is a bitter former player, he could have kept his mouth shut until he got others to come out with him or catch him at a moment when he farked up.

And his career wasnt done, he wouldnt be making his old salary sure but he would have been in the 500k-700k range, but now its done thanks to saying shiat that cant be proven.

turns out "proof" will be up to other special team players risking being fired.  it's not common practice for a punter to record all his meetings with various coaches.  and he had to get at least $850K or so as an 8 year vet.  that said, is it really hard to believe that a football coach could be bigoted?  it's he said, he said.  the one thing that kluwe has going for him is a track record of being open, honest, and thoughtful.  the coach has a track record of being a special teams coach for a shiatty team. also, who the fark drafts a punter?  is al davis corpse running the vikings?


I wouldnt mind being the special teams coach for the Vikings for a year. I'm sure I'd get fired, probably in pre season. But it'd be a lot of fun I think, so perspective.

And yeah, teams draft punters every year.
 
2014-01-03 01:49:25 AM  

IAmRight: Probably. If there's one thing we've learned from reality TV it's that people LOVE stupid things that don't cost much money or require any brains to create/consume.



Very true...
 
2014-01-03 02:02:11 AM  

MoeSzyslak: KEEP ME AROUND AND PAY ME THREE TIMES WHAT A BETTER REPLACEMENT MAKES OR YOU ARE A BUNCH OF GAY HATING BIGOTS!!!!


The Vikings also spent a 5th-round draft pick. I'd say that's a rather high price to be paying for a punter.
 
2014-01-03 02:16:59 AM  

Gosling: MoeSzyslak: KEEP ME AROUND AND PAY ME THREE TIMES WHAT A BETTER REPLACEMENT MAKES OR YOU ARE A BUNCH OF GAY HATING BIGOTS!!!!

The Vikings also spent a 5th-round draft pick. I'd say that's a rather high price to be paying for a punter.


A price that has no bearing on the salary cap unlike Kluwe's salary. Who else would they have drafted in the 5th-round that would have had a bigger impact than a serviceable to good rookie punter who costs 1/3 of what you're paying the old guy with knee problems and theoretically could be around just as long as Kluwe was until needing to be replaced?

It wasn't some conspiracy to throw away a draft pick in order to justify getting rid of the outspoken gay rights punter who just so happens to also have knee issues and is only mediocre at best by league standards. Oh and also costs three times as much. Yeah the only possible reason for getting rid of him must have been some sort of anti-gay conspiracy to get rid of him while making the team worse off by completely wasting a draft pick.

This is a bunch of butthurt sour grapes.
 
2014-01-03 07:43:53 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: boyofd: On the other hand, his replacement had almost identical stats, so it seems like a stretch to believe that he was replaced solely for talent/production reasons.

His replacement had identical stats and cost one-third as much.

Would you rather play $9 for a sandwich or $3 for a sandwich if you knew they would taste the same?


Right.  In other words, you agree that it wasn't solely for his production.  Notice how I put that word in italics.  And how many times do NFL teams cut the veteran to replace him with an unknown rookie when the production looks similar?  NFL teams aren't exactly cut-rate type employers.
 
2014-01-03 07:55:31 AM  

Gosling: MoeSzyslak: KEEP ME AROUND AND PAY ME THREE TIMES WHAT A BETTER REPLACEMENT MAKES OR YOU ARE A BUNCH OF GAY HATING BIGOTS!!!!

The Vikings also spent a 5th-round draft pick. I'd say that's a rather high price to be paying for a punter.


Not really. That is just bad drafting if anything; most punters go undrafted then get signed as rookie free agents.

If anything, it shows how much Minnesota wanted a better punter. Stats show that Kluwe was not a very good punter, which is likely the main reason he got cut.
 
2014-01-03 08:26:51 AM  
Hmmm, I'm an otherwise obscure punter who's been cut by his last team, and can't catch on with a new one. No one cares about kickers, so how do I garner attention to myself? Let's see...
 
2014-01-03 08:37:48 AM  

MoeSzyslak: Mikey1969: I can't help but wonder if the Duck Dynasty fans are up in arms about this guy's 1st Amendment rights here.

Remember, as they understand it, if your job fires you for speaking your mind, it's a sign that Obama has suspended the Constitution. Someone had better call Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal immediately.

Is there a show that will cost A&E 1/3 as much and get equal or higher ratings than Duck Dynasty with the added benefit of appeasing the OUTRAGED BECAUSE SOME GUY ON SOME SHOW SAID SOMETHING IN A MAGAZINE crowd waiting in the wings for A&E to pickup instead? Of course not. Stupid straw-man is stupid.


You wouldn't know a straw man If it was on its knees giving you head.

This is a perfectly valid comparison, right down to someone getting cannned due to their beliefs on gay marriage.

You need a lot more practice at the art of deflection, you really suck at it.
 
2014-01-03 08:51:40 AM  
This is a perfectly valid comparison, right down to someone getting cannned due to their beliefs on gay marriage.


If the duck guy and his whole show been canceled due to low ratings, and then he claimed later it was because of his political beliefs, then perhaps you would have an accurate comparison. Unfortunately...
 
2014-01-03 09:23:39 AM  

doubled99: This is a perfectly valid comparison, right down to someone getting cannned due to their beliefs on gay marriage.


If the duck guy and his whole show been canceled due to low ratings, and then he claimed later it was because of his political beliefs, then perhaps you would have an accurate comparison. Unfortunately...


... I agree with doubled99 100%.

... I think this of the End Times.

/dogs and cats, living together
 
2014-01-03 09:34:40 AM  

machoprogrammer: Gosling: MoeSzyslak: KEEP ME AROUND AND PAY ME THREE TIMES WHAT A BETTER REPLACEMENT MAKES OR YOU ARE A BUNCH OF GAY HATING BIGOTS!!!!

The Vikings also spent a 5th-round draft pick. I'd say that's a rather high price to be paying for a punter.

Not really. That is just bad drafting if anything; most punters go undrafted then get signed as rookie free agents.

If anything, it shows how much Minnesota wanted a better punter. Stats show that Kluwe was not a very good punter, which is likely the main reason he got cut.


And Kluwe has said before that it wasn't surprising that he got cut, it was going to happen sooner rather than later.  What the sleestaks are ignoring is how the Vikings coaching staff handled the personnel move.  The special teams coach had less than no business injecting his opinions into this matter, clearly took a severe dislike to Kluwe because Kluwe wasn't taking kindly to his bigoted objections.

I don't have reason to doubt that his side of the story is mostly accurate; he's always been honest about the sport (at times brutally so) but he clearly is also aware that his statements can have ramifications.  I don't blame him for waiting until now to tell the story, he's absolutely right about causing a distraction.

So if Kluwe's version of the story is accurate, it means the people on the coaching staff and in the front office, who are all life-long products of a sport that naturally perpetuates a hyper-machismo, alpha-male attitude, did not like what Kluwe was saying and acted in an irresponsible and completely unprofessional manner while evaluating whether or not to bring him back the following season.

Kluwe may be spinning his play ability a bit, but I also don't blame him for that when a lot of people's knee-jerk reaction is "Dude wasn't even that good of a player, therefore I don't care what he says."  (I've heard a statement like that before, in a completely different setting.  About a decade ago Colorado coach Gary Barnett responded to an accusation that female kicker Katie Hnida was sexually assaulted by a teammate - he said she wasn't that great of a kicker.  They're both classless and deflecting responses.)

We all need to take his declining performance, and the Vikings' desire to find a replacement as good but cheaper, and put it to the side.  Spending a 5th round pick on a punter is strange (it's easy to find an UDFA punter), but not crucial to the point.  Employees of the Vikings demonstrated a complete lack of professionalism in dealing with Kluwe, and the public and future employers need to be aware of it.
 
2014-01-03 10:03:35 AM  

Gosling: I should also toss in for the record, in addition to Oakland, Kluwe tried out for the Bears, Bills and Bengals.

*The Bears brought in six punters to try out for Adam Podlesh's job, Kluwe included. They stuck with Podlesh.
*The Bills had cut Shawn Powell. Kluwe tried out. They went with Adam Moorman instead.
*The Bengals watched Kevin Huber get decapitated. Kluwe tried out. They went with freshly-cut Shawn Powell instead.


And guess who was just cut by the Bengals after shanking a 10-yard punt into the stands?  They have Mesko now.
 
2014-01-03 10:12:29 AM  
That fact that so many people know so much about punters is disturbing.
 
2014-01-03 10:29:18 AM  

Crewmannumber6: That fact that so many people know so much about punters is disturbing.


Meh.

Name your favorite hobby and/or pasttime.

Bet you know enough about it that someone else could say the same kind of thing about you.
 
2014-01-03 10:46:43 AM  

MoeSzyslak: A price that has no bearing on the salary cap unlike Kluwe's salary. Who else would they have drafted in the 5th-round that would have had a bigger impact than a serviceable to good rookie punter who costs 1/3 of what you're paying the old guy with knee problems and theoretically could be around just as long as Kluwe was until needing to be replaced?


The Packers drafted Micah Hyde four picks after Locke. Pretty sure the Vikings could have used Hyde.
 
2014-01-03 11:05:46 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Crewmannumber6: That fact that so many people know so much about punters is disturbing.

Meh.

Name your favorite hobby and/or pasttime.

Bet you know enough about it that someone else could say the same kind of thing about you.


Your favorite hobby/passtime is punters?
 
2014-01-03 11:55:16 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Jim from Saint Paul: Crewmannumber6: That fact that so many people know so much about punters is disturbing.

Meh.

Name your favorite hobby and/or pasttime.

Bet you know enough about it that someone else could say the same kind of thing about you.

Your favorite hobby/passtime is punters?


Yes.

That's exactly right.

You totally got the point.
 
2014-01-03 12:12:20 PM  

Gosling: MoeSzyslak: A price that has no bearing on the salary cap unlike Kluwe's salary. Who else would they have drafted in the 5th-round that would have had a bigger impact than a serviceable to good rookie punter who costs 1/3 of what you're paying the old guy with knee problems and theoretically could be around just as long as Kluwe was until needing to be replaced?

The Packers drafted Micah Hyde four picks after Locke. Pretty sure the Vikings could have used Hyde.


Drafting a punter in general is stupid, since you can get them as undrafted free agents, but 5th round isn't exactly a high pick.
 
2014-01-03 12:14:33 PM  

machoprogrammer: Gosling: MoeSzyslak: A price that has no bearing on the salary cap unlike Kluwe's salary. Who else would they have drafted in the 5th-round that would have had a bigger impact than a serviceable to good rookie punter who costs 1/3 of what you're paying the old guy with knee problems and theoretically could be around just as long as Kluwe was until needing to be replaced?

The Packers drafted Micah Hyde four picks after Locke. Pretty sure the Vikings could have used Hyde.

Drafting a punter in general is stupid, since you can get them as undrafted free agents, but 5th round isn't exactly a high pick.


For a punter? They normall go 6th or 7th ish. It wasn;t a TOTAL reach. Still, it was a bit higher then the league norm.
 
2014-01-03 01:12:12 PM  

smerfnablin: Even if he was becoming too much if a PR problem and his numbers were fading, who the hell drafts a punter in the 4th round?



3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-03 01:13:21 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: machoprogrammer: Gosling: MoeSzyslak: A price that has no bearing on the salary cap unlike Kluwe's salary. Who else would they have drafted in the 5th-round that would have had a bigger impact than a serviceable to good rookie punter who costs 1/3 of what you're paying the old guy with knee problems and theoretically could be around just as long as Kluwe was until needing to be replaced?

The Packers drafted Micah Hyde four picks after Locke. Pretty sure the Vikings could have used Hyde.

Drafting a punter in general is stupid, since you can get them as undrafted free agents, but 5th round isn't exactly a high pick.

For a punter? They normall go 6th or 7th ish. It wasn;t a TOTAL reach. Still, it was a bit higher then the league norm.


True. 

Also, for those saying Kluwe was a good punter, check this link to compare versus the rest:  http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/punting/sort/netAvgPu n tYards/year/2012

He claims his yardage is low because of a request for higher punts for longer hang time. Well, if that was the case, his fair catches should be higher (12 fair catches in a season is really bad). His stats are pretty much all near the bottom, with a few average. The average retard yard per punt is pretty good, actually, but other than that, he was just not a good punter.
 
2014-01-03 01:40:15 PM  
OtherLittleGuy:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 340x490]

Poor Jason Campbell.   Such a disrespected QB he got stuck with a punter's number with the Raiders.
 
2014-01-03 01:48:30 PM  

machoprogrammer: The average retard yard per punt is pretty good, actually, but other than that, he was just not a good punter.


It is quite important to me that my kicker have low retard yards as well.
 
2014-01-03 02:17:59 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: machoprogrammer: The average retard yard per punt is pretty good, actually, but other than that, he was just not a good punter.

It is quite important to me that my kicker have low retard yards as well.


lol wow my bad. Well done
 
2014-01-03 02:42:37 PM  

smerfnablin: Even if he was becoming too much if a PR problem and his numbers were fading, who the hell drafts a punter in the 4th round?

Seriously that's just strange to me given there are about 50 of them looking for a job every year



The Jags took Brian Anger in the third last year.
While both Russell Wilson and Nick Foles were still on the board.
 
2014-01-03 05:51:20 PM  

SilentStrider: The Jags took Brian Anger in the third last year.
While both Russell Wilson and Nick Foles were still on the board.


Everyone likes to make fun of them for that, but really, neither of those QBs would be what they are in Jacksonville because the rest of the team is garbage.

/because of personnel decisions like drafting a punter in the 3rd round
 
2014-01-03 11:43:55 PM  

Mikey1969: MoeSzyslak: Mikey1969: I can't help but wonder if the Duck Dynasty fans are up in arms about this guy's 1st Amendment rights here.

Remember, as they understand it, if your job fires you for speaking your mind, it's a sign that Obama has suspended the Constitution. Someone had better call Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal immediately.

Is there a show that will cost A&E 1/3 as much and get equal or higher ratings than Duck Dynasty with the added benefit of appeasing the OUTRAGED BECAUSE SOME GUY ON SOME SHOW SAID SOMETHING IN A MAGAZINE crowd waiting in the wings for A&E to pickup instead? Of course not. Stupid straw-man is stupid.

You wouldn't know a straw man If it was on its knees giving you head.

This is a perfectly valid comparison, right down to someone getting cannned due to their beliefs on gay marriage.

You need a lot more practice at the art of deflection, you really suck at it.


You'd actually have a point if he got fired for his pro gay marriage beliefs but common sense says that wasn't the case. This is a butthurt fairytale.
 
2014-01-03 11:45:11 PM  

doubled99: This is a perfectly valid comparison, right down to someone getting cannned due to their beliefs on gay marriage.


If the duck guy and his whole show been canceled due to low ratings, and then he claimed later it was because of his political beliefs, then perhaps you would have an accurate comparison. Unfortunately...


Exactly.
 
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