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2014-01-02 02:24:49 PM

netweavr: Nadie_AZ: netweavr: Make it a change of possession play. If you score there's a kickoff, but if you fail the other team takes over where they recover (missing would count as a turnover on downs)

Opposing teams would let them score as they'd get better field position on the kick off than on the recovery.

Losing a lead isn't worth the field position if you trust your offense.


As a Bills fan, I make it a point to never trust my offense. Not yet, anyways.
 
2014-01-02 02:25:55 PM

nmrsnr: I have to say I'm amused by the idea of the scoring player kicking the extra point.


I like it rugby style. You have to pull it out perpendicular from where you went into the end zone. Say kick it from that spot at the 20-yard line.
 
2014-01-02 02:26:48 PM
They could do it Pros vs Joes style.

Both teams pick 1 player.  Put the ball on the 5 / defender on the goalline.  You can't run outside of the hashmarks.
 
2014-01-02 02:26:48 PM

MugzyBrown: justabitdisturbed: I like the idea of having a rotating goal post during extra points.  Maybe it could even be controlled by the opposing team's defensive coordinator.

It could be like the Globetrotters:

*Ref approaches kicker*

To score, you need to kick the ball through the uprights

*points to opposite end of the field*

Those uprights.


Yeah, I mean, while we're on the topic of ideas that are ridiculous and never going to be implemented, why not make the goal post itself also movable?  Like, side to side and back and forth, along with the rotation?  It would be like a video game within the game; that's what the young'uns like nowadays, right?
 
2014-01-02 02:29:26 PM

RminusQ: I like it rugby style. You have to pull it out perpendicular from where you went into the end zone. Say kick it from that spot at the 20-yard line.


Would that eliminate the other team being on the field at the time as well?  Just the kicker trying for the point? I think that's a good idea.
 
2014-01-02 02:30:07 PM
Keep kickers, but instead of kicking, they have to strike out the opposing team's mascot.
 
2014-01-02 02:30:18 PM
Make it a 1 pt normal
2 pt conversion

and a 60 yard kick for 3.  That would spice things up in the 4th quarter.  Fully returnable too.
 
2014-01-02 02:30:25 PM
i don't think i would change much...

if you move it back, then you decrease the 2 point conversion attempts.  if you have an option of moving it back or going for 2, then you kill any option for a fake, you also hurt the possibility of recovering after a botched snap, which is pretty exciting to watch.

if you give an automatic 7, with an option to go 6 or 8, you also kill the fake.

maybe moving it forward one yard will encourage more 2 point conversions, but it also makes them easier, which could inflate the scores such that field goals are worth less.  it would just upset the metrics that everyone considers at the moment.  and i like field goals.  a long 50 yard field goal is very exciting to watch, but if tds are now basically worth 8, that would make field goals less attractive.

basically, i think the system works.  it's fun to watch football.
 
2014-01-02 02:32:57 PM
They could make the kicker do their own long snap as well.
 
2014-01-02 02:33:26 PM
Move the line to the 50 and remove the caveat that the ball must be kicked through the uprights. All the offense needs to do is make the ball pass through the uprights prior to the play ending for 1 point. 2 point conversions are still allowed.
 
2014-01-02 02:34:54 PM
As Peter King once wrote, there is nothing stopping you from going for two every time. He also says there are four downs, and no one is "forcing" you to punt on 4th down. He makes some suspicious statistical claims, but I would love to see Belicheck try it.
 
2014-01-02 02:36:39 PM

ilikeracecars: As Peter King once wrote, there is nothing stopping you from going for two every time. He also says there are four downs, and no one is "forcing" you to punt on 4th down. He makes some suspicious statistical claims, but I would love to see Belicheck try it.


2007 Patriots went for it on 4th nearly every time...
 
2014-01-02 02:38:57 PM
Ctrl-F "Vinatieri"...  leaving satisfied.
 
2014-01-02 02:42:05 PM
If that would hasten the process of renaming the game to "HandEgg" then I'm all for it.
 
rka
2014-01-02 02:48:50 PM

factoryconnection: rka: Doesn't change the kick materially but it makes it a much more interesting decision on whether or not to go for two.

I like a combination of the two.  Kick from the 10 for 1 point, play from the 1 or 2 for 2 points.


Too complicated. When do you decide? How long do you have to make a decision before the refs have to spot the ball? How long do the refs have to move the ball? Do you allow defensive substitutions if the placement changes at the last moment?

Christ, coaches can barely decide when to throw a challenge flag and you want to give them this?

Put it at the 1 and be done with it. Do you have the guts to try a 1 yard play into the endzone? Yes or No?
 
2014-01-02 02:49:31 PM
Alter the goal posts so they can be mechanically narrowed during extra points. Like you just press a button and the setting pulls the goal posts in to a set "extra point length."

/yeah, i know that's kinda dumb
 
2014-01-02 02:50:14 PM

unyon: Move kickoffs back.  And make some incentive for the team to run it out... perhaps give the kicking team a point if they can put it in the end zone.  But then you'd have to do away with the fair catch.  And then you'd have to protect the kicker from getting creamed by downfield tacklers when fielding a high kick.

Or, you could go to a longer and wider field, which makes kicks longer and the hash marks further apart and off-center.  And you might add some length to the end zones, so that there is less likelihood of a kicked ball to roll out of touch.

All of these exciting options.  If only there were some place where these ideas had been tried and tested for over a hundred years to see if they would be entertaining or not.


That's just crazy talk. Next you suggest they get rid of a down because it's too easy to make a first down with 4 tries. Or impose limits on the number of foreign born players a team can have.
 
2014-01-02 02:50:57 PM
They should put the goalposts upside down so you have to kick the ball through at a low trajectory.  This will increase blocks, which are always exciting.
 
2014-01-02 02:53:15 PM

netweavr: ilikeracecars: As Peter King once wrote, there is nothing stopping you from going for two every time. He also says there are four downs, and no one is "forcing" you to punt on 4th down. He makes some suspicious statistical claims, but I would love to see Belicheck try it.

2007 Patriots went for it on 4th nearly every time...


Gregg Easterbrook HATES punting, and statistically (says he), going for every 4th down is a good move. I think there might be some obvious things, like only on 4th and less than 5, or only beyond your own 30 or something, but it'd be amazing if teams just stopped fielding full-time punters.

What about moving a PAT to the 15 or 20, but keeping 2-point tries on the 5?
 
2014-01-02 02:54:25 PM

Arkanaut: Right, because Adam Vinatieri didn't save Belichick's ass a dozen times.


He'd have a few less Super BOwl rings without Vinatieri, that's for sure!
 
2014-01-02 02:55:05 PM

Dr Dreidel: What about moving a PAT to the 15 or 20, but keeping 2-point tries on the 5?


Removes the surprise factor, making 2 points more difficult.
 
2014-01-02 02:58:29 PM

rka: Too complicated. When do you decide? How long do you have to make a decision before the refs have to spot the ball? How long do the refs have to move the ball? Do you allow defensive substitutions if the placement changes at the last moment?


Offensive team/coach tells the Ball Judge where to spot the ball - long or short. Once the ball is spotted, only a time-out or start of play can change that (and usual "no back-to-back timeouts" rules apply), and the offense is "stuck" with their decision.

Give them a fresh 25-second play clock after the score to make the decision, and another 15 to line up (or vice-versa); a 40 second play clock by another name.
 
2014-01-02 03:03:31 PM
The person kicking the point after must either
A) Have a blood alcohol level greater than .3
B) Kick in high heeled shoes while wearing lingerie.

I'm hoping some ladies will finally find their way onto some NFL squads.  Odds are we'd get kickers in drag, but its worth a shot.
 
2014-01-02 03:06:27 PM
the "k" ball should be filled with cement.
 
2014-01-02 03:06:51 PM

Dr Dreidel: netweavr: ilikeracecars: As Peter King once wrote, there is nothing stopping you from going for two every time. He also says there are four downs, and no one is "forcing" you to punt on 4th down. He makes some suspicious statistical claims, but I would love to see Belicheck try it.

2007 Patriots went for it on 4th nearly every time...

Gregg Easterbrook HATES punting, and statistically (says he), going for every 4th down is a good move. I think there might be some obvious things, like only on 4th and less than 5, or only beyond your own 30 or something, but it'd be amazing if teams just stopped fielding full-time punters.

What about moving a PAT to the 15 or 20, but keeping 2-point tries on the 5?


Easterbrook and a few other stats guys I've read basically say the Expected Points (?) or whatever metric they were using tips in favor of going for it on 4th down every time it matched your criteria (4th and 5 or less, beyond your 40). They were using expected yards per point or something to gauge the improved field position. Basically any time you're at midfield at punt, you're only going to gain 20 yards. At that point it's more efficient to throw a deep pass near the endzone. Good chance you'll pin the opponent deep from an INT AND have a chance at scoring.
 
2014-01-02 03:08:51 PM

netweavr: Dr Dreidel: What about moving a PAT to the 15 or 20, but keeping 2-point tries on the 5?

Removes the surprise factor, making 2 points more difficult.


I meant keep them on the 2, but it's not like there's much surprise in the PAT at present. The only thing it removes is the ability to fake a "FG" from the 2, and I wasn't seeing much of that anyway.
 
2014-01-02 03:08:52 PM

RminusQ: nmrsnr: I have to say I'm amused by the idea of the scoring player kicking the extra point.

I like it rugby style. You have to pull it out perpendicular from where you went into the end zone. Say kick it from that spot at the 20-yard line.


As in rugby you can let the kickers go back as far as they feel they can make the kick.  So a PAT from a TD scored in the middle of the end zone would be tried from the 2 and the farther you move laterally, the farther the kicker can away from the goalposts to get a better angle.

Rugby also uses tees, and there really isn't a rush at the kicker.  You have to stand 10 meters back but you can move forward as soon as the kicker makes a move toward the teed ball.  You could do the same with dropkicks and offensive protection.
 
2014-01-02 03:09:13 PM

Arkanaut: Right, because Adam Vinatieri didn't save Belichick's ass a dozen times.



But...but...tom brady!   LOL  Maybe billy was high when he made that statement
 
2014-01-02 03:19:39 PM
I'll bet there was one time Tony Romo wished they had eliminated extra point tries.
 
2014-01-02 03:28:41 PM

PluckYew: As in rugby you can let the kickers go back as far as they feel they can make the kick.  So a PAT from a TD scored in the middle of the end zone would be tried from the 2 and the farther you move laterally, the farther the kicker can away from the goalposts to get a better angle.


Nah, screw that.  Make them snap from the two.  If they want a good angle, they better have a hell of a long snapper.  And give the opposing team the option to take any penalties on the ensuing kickoff, so the scoring team can't cheat themselves back.
 
2014-01-02 03:29:48 PM
Bill "Won two superbowls only by a field goal" Belichick: "Kickers are stupid, we should get rid of them"
 
2014-01-02 03:30:22 PM

vladimpaler: I'll bet there was one time Tony Romo wished they had eliminated extra point tries.


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2014-01-02 03:37:58 PM

deadsanta: Arkanaut: Right, because Adam Vinatieri didn't save Belichick's ass a dozen times.

Are you one of those people who tries to shame billionaires who call for meaningful economic reform too?


Who would guess the most insightful comment in this thread would come from a user named deadsanta?
 
2014-01-02 03:47:49 PM

netweavr: ilikeracecars: As Peter King once wrote, there is nothing stopping you from going for two every time. He also says there are four downs, and no one is "forcing" you to punt on 4th down. He makes some suspicious statistical claims, but I would love to see Belicheck try it.

2007 Patriots went for it on 4th nearly every time...


Not even close.

15/21 4th down conversions

44 Punts for 1821 yards
 
2014-01-02 03:48:53 PM

jack_o_the_hills: "foot"ball... lmao..


sadbad: If that would hasten the process of renaming the game to "HandEgg" then I'm all for it.


Although the accepted etymology of the word football, or "foot ball", originated in reference to the action of a foot kicking a ball, this may be a false etymology. An alternative, controversial, explanation has it that the word originally referred to a variety of games in medieval Europe, which were played on foot.[6]

These sports were usually played by peasants, as opposed to the horse-riding sports more often enjoyed by aristocrats. In some cases, the word has been applied to games which involved carrying a ball and specifically banned kicking.

For example, the English writer William Hone, writing in 1825 or 1826, quotes the social commentator Sir Frederick Morton Eden, regarding a game - which Hone refers to as "Foot-Ball" - played in the parish of Scone, Perthshire: The game was this: he who at any time got the ball into his hands, run [sic] with it till overtaken by one of the opposite part; and then, if he could shake himself loose from those on the opposite side who seized him, he run on; if not, he threw the ball from him, unless it was wrested from him by the other party, but no person was allowed to kick it.[7]

-wikipedia

and now you know
 
2014-01-02 03:51:06 PM

GregoryD: and now you know


Not sure the guys who come to every thread and brag about soccer really care about word etymology.
 
2014-01-02 03:52:08 PM

jaylectricity: netweavr: ilikeracecars: As Peter King once wrote, there is nothing stopping you from going for two every time. He also says there are four downs, and no one is "forcing" you to punt on 4th down. He makes some suspicious statistical claims, but I would love to see Belicheck try it.

2007 Patriots went for it on 4th nearly every time...

Not even close.

15/21 4th down conversions

44 Punts for 1821 yards


Ok, so he was wrong about it being "nearly every time".

Going for it 32% of the time is still WAY more then any other team I have ever heard of in the pros.
 
2014-01-02 03:54:07 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: jaylectricity: netweavr: ilikeracecars: As Peter King once wrote, there is nothing stopping you from going for two every time. He also says there are four downs, and no one is "forcing" you to punt on 4th down. He makes some suspicious statistical claims, but I would love to see Belicheck try it.

2007 Patriots went for it on 4th nearly every time...

Not even close.

15/21 4th down conversions

44 Punts for 1821 yards

Ok, so he was wrong about it being "nearly every time".

Going for it 32% of the time is still WAY more then any other team I have ever heard of in the pros.


They also attempted 24 FGs
 
2014-01-02 03:54:36 PM
All they need to do is implement kicking hash marks.  Right now the hashes align with the goal posts making and kick pretty much straight on.   Put hashes to where college is or even wider.  Makes kicking more of a skill than it is now.
 
2014-01-02 03:55:56 PM
I miss kick returns. Otherwise I'm happy with everything else about the kicking game
 
2014-01-02 03:56:01 PM

MugzyBrown: Jim from Saint Paul: jaylectricity: netweavr: ilikeracecars: As Peter King once wrote, there is nothing stopping you from going for two every time. He also says there are four downs, and no one is "forcing" you to punt on 4th down. He makes some suspicious statistical claims, but I would love to see Belicheck try it.

2007 Patriots went for it on 4th nearly every time...

Not even close.

15/21 4th down conversions

44 Punts for 1821 yards

Ok, so he was wrong about it being "nearly every time".

Going for it 32% of the time is still WAY more then any other team I have ever heard of in the pros.

They also attempted 24 FGs


So 23% of the time.

Thanks for looking that up. I completely forgot about FGs.
 
2014-01-02 03:56:26 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: jaylectricity: netweavr: ilikeracecars: As Peter King once wrote, there is nothing stopping you from going for two every time. He also says there are four downs, and no one is "forcing" you to punt on 4th down. He makes some suspicious statistical claims, but I would love to see Belicheck try it.

2007 Patriots went for it on 4th nearly every time...

Not even close.

15/21 4th down conversions

44 Punts for 1821 yards

Ok, so he was wrong about it being "nearly every time".

Going for it 32% of the time is still WAY more then any other team I have ever heard of in the pros.


Well, for a team that doesn't need to, yeah. Some teams (like the Browns this year who sucked) sort of have to go for it because they're losing. They went for it 31 times and punted 95 times.

5 different teams went for it on 4th down fewer than 10 times. The Broncos went for it 9 times and converted 8.
 
2014-01-02 03:57:21 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: All they need to do is implement kicking hash marks.  Right now the hashes align with the goal posts making and kick pretty much straight on.   Put hashes to where college is or even wider.  Makes kicking more of a skill than it is now.


Kick from wherever the ball was when you were tackled. Running out of bounds at the 30 to set up the FG? Hope you're good at angles.
 
2014-01-02 03:59:12 PM
A lot of time the Pats go for it on 4th because just taking the 3 points just runs up the score. Of course, this is lost on all the whiners.
 
2014-01-02 04:01:44 PM
40 yards in = 3
40 -50 = 4
50 - 60= 5
60 plus = 6
 
2014-01-02 04:03:59 PM
They could go back to the way Rugby does conversion attempts. The same player who scored the touchdown kicks, straight back from where he scored it. If that's not right down the middle, he'll probably miss. Also, Rugby players drop kick. There is no holder.
 
2014-01-02 04:05:03 PM
How about:
 * The player must put the ball through the uprights during the course of the TD play for the extra point.
 
2014-01-02 04:09:15 PM

netweavr: How about:
 * The player must put the ball through the uprights during the course of the TD play for the extra point.


Well isn't the play over immediately when you are standing in the end zone with the ball or gone all the way to the ground with the catch? If you threw it through the goal posts before you scored the TD it's not a TD.
 
2014-01-02 04:10:29 PM

Treygreen13: GregoryD: and now you know

Not sure the guys who come to every thread and brag about soccer really care about word etymology.


Yes, because bragging about soccer is EXACTLY what I was doing there.  Care to dazzle us with any other brilliant bits of enlightened observation from your endless pool of knowledge?

 Don't get your vagoo all sanded there Football Defender™.. I don't care for either game.
 
2014-01-02 04:11:11 PM
The scoring player should have to answer a series of increasingly difficult trivia questions.

If at any time you answer one wrong, your point total goes back to 6.  You can quit at any time.

Also once per game, you can poll the audience, but this may backfire on the road!
 
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