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(Pro Football Talk)   Chicago Bears give the rest of the NFC North a late Christmas present, re-sign Jay Cutler to a seven year contract   (profootballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line 116
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2014-01-02 11:50:39 AM
I'd finish this comment, but it got pick-sixed.
 
2014-01-02 12:58:50 PM
There's a very good chance that the 30-year-old Cutler will remain with the Bears for the rest of his career.

Ha.
 
2014-01-02 01:11:49 PM
Teams now with a better chance to win the Superb Owl before the Bears in the interim:

Chargers
Vikings
Glenbard East High School
 
2014-01-02 01:12:39 PM
Since most of the rest of the NFC North are Vikings and Lions, I'm sure they'll drop this Christmas present in the trash compactor
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2014-01-02 01:44:14 PM
Cutler played well this year.  He has the offensive weapons around him that can make him a great QB.

The problem with the Bears this year wasn't the offense.  It was the defense.

Whenever you have a "historically bad" defense, with a team as old as the Bears, yeah, you aren't going to win a lot of games.  They did not hold ANY team under 20 points this year.  They gave up 31 points to the Browns!
 
2014-01-02 01:45:37 PM
Two greened for this story.. other one is better.
 
2014-01-02 01:47:14 PM
Quick, name me a better replacement that the Bears would actually have a reasonable chance of acquiring.

/Any competent NFL starting QB is going to get a massive contract
//Supply and demand.
 
2014-01-02 02:13:19 PM
My headline was: "Someone at the Chicago Bears headquarters dropped a mirror".

Oh well... I assume this one will live vs. the above thread since this one actually has replies.
 
2014-01-02 02:25:17 PM
I would never have guessed that anyone would give Cutler a hundred plus million dollar contract.
 
2014-01-02 02:29:16 PM

FreakinB: Quick, name me a better replacement that the Bears would actually have a reasonable chance of acquiring.

/Any competent NFL starting QB is going to get a massive contract
//Supply and demand.


But what about the POISE and LEADERSHIP of Josh McCown!?  Why, he buried the vaunted Dallas Cowboys defense on national TV.  Clearly he was better than Cutler.  Here's a summary of the power house defenses McCown took down this year.

October 20 @ Washington (45-41 loss)
McCown: 14-20, 204 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 119.6 Passer Rating
Washington Pass Defense:
96.1 Passer Rating against - 27th in the NFL
3,896 pass yards against - 20th in the NFL
29 pass TD against - 21st in NFL (tie)
36 sacks - 21st in the NFL (tie)
November 4 @ Green Bay (27-20 win)
McCown: 22-41, 272 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 90.7 Passer Rating
Green Bay Pass Defense:
95.9 Passer Rating against - 25th in the NFL
3,956 pass yards against - 24th in the NFL
30 pass TD against - 27th in the NFL (tie)
44 sacks - 8th in the NFL (tie)
November 17 vs Baltimore (23-20 OT win)
McCown: 19-31, 216 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 92.9 Passer Rating
Baltimore Pass Defense:
82.2 Passer Rating against - 11th in the NFL
3,681 pass yards against - 12th in the NFL
25 pass TD against - 14th in the NFL (tie)
40 sacks - 16th in the NFL (tie)
November 24 @ St. Louis (42-21 loss)
McCown: 36-47, 352 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 102.4 Passer Rating
St. Louis Pass Defense:
94.7 Passer Rating against - 24th in the NFL
3,874 pass yards against - 19th in the NFL
21 pass TD against - 7th in the NFL (tie)
53 sacks - 3rd in the NFL
December 1 @ Minnesota (23-20 OT loss)
McCown: 23-36, 355 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 114.9 Passer Rating
Minnesota Pass Defense:
98.6 Passer Rating against - 30th in the NFL
4,598 pass yards against - 31st in the NFL
37 pass TD against - 32nd in the NFL
41 sacks - 13th in the NFL (tie)
December 9 vs Dallas (45-28 win)
McCown: 27-36, 348 yards, 4 TD, 0 INT, 141.9 Passer Rating
Dallas Pass Defense:
96.0 Passer Rating against - 26th in the NFL
4,589 pass yards against - 30th in the NFL
33 pass TD against - 30th in the NFL (tie)
34 sacks - 25th in the NFL (tie)
 
2014-01-02 02:30:48 PM

MBK: Cutler played well this year.  He has the offensive weapons around him that can make him a great QB.

The problem with the Bears this year wasn't the offense.  It was the defense.

Whenever you have a "historically bad" defense, with a team as old as the Bears, yeah, you aren't going to win a lot of games.  They did not hold ANY team under 20 points this year.  They gave up 31 points to the Browns!


Or new rules that make playing offense easier. There were a lot of historically bad defenses and great offenses this year which says more for the rule changes than it does for the players.

That being said the Bears' D was suck on ice bad this year and your point is still valid.
 
2014-01-02 02:31:32 PM
Cutler's had his up-and-downs, but all the people in Chicago who talk about how McCown would have the Bears in the Super Bowl this year and Cutler is the sole reason the Bears ever lose should not be the ones writing the headlines... Bears had nearly the worst D in the league, one of the top offenses in the league, and Cutler with his best year of his career, why do Chicago media people want to spend every summer and every cent on QBs? I don't care if we have Aaron Rodgers throwing to Randy Moss when Chris Conte has to field the defense.

Better ways to spend time and money this offseason than QB media circus drama. Cutler won't see those 7 years if Emery isn't satisfied, Emery seems ready to get things done at least.
 
2014-01-02 02:40:23 PM
i22.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-02 02:41:38 PM
It's completely unreasonable for the Bears to resign the best QB the team has had since Sid Luckman. What a bunch of farking idiots!!!

/SID FARKING LUCKMAN
 
2014-01-02 02:42:43 PM

Rapmaster2000: But what about the POISE and LEADERSHIP of Josh McCown


Packers
McCown: 22-41, 272 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 90.7 Passer Rating (win)
Cutler: 15-24, 226 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 103.8 Passer Rating (loss)

Vikings
McCown: 23-36, 355 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 114.9 Passer Rating (loss)
Cutler: 27-38, 292 yards, 3 TD, 2 INT, 97.7 Passer Rating (win)

That Cutler's not clearly better than Josh McCown doesn't speak to how awesome Josh McCown is.
 
2014-01-02 02:43:49 PM

Electromax: Cutler won't see those 7 years if Emery isn't satisfied, Emery seems ready to get things done at least.


Can you name any 37-year-old big-money-and-worth-it QBs? Because that's what Cutler would be in Year 7 of this deal, and at $54M guaranteed, that's a HEAP of coin for the 2019-2020 seasons. I think they're hoping the O-line stays shiatty enough to kill him sometime in Year 4 (I mean, we do all know that the Contract Year and sometimes, the Contract Year-1 numbers are renegotiated in a new deal, yes?) or he retires.

// also, this is a deal almost as big as Flacco's and for a QB that is in every way worse than Joey Eyebrow
 
2014-01-02 02:44:16 PM

Electromax: Cutler's had his up-and-downs, but all the people in Chicago who talk about how McCown would have the Bears in the Super Bowl this year and Cutler is the sole reason the Bears ever lose should not be the ones writing the headlines... Bears had nearly the worst D in the league, one of the top offenses in the league, and Cutler with his best year of his career, why do Chicago media people want to spend every summer and every cent on QBs? I don't care if we have Aaron Rodgers throwing to Randy Moss when Chris Conte has to field the defense.

Better ways to spend time and money this offseason than QB media circus drama. Cutler won't see those 7 years if Emery isn't satisfied, Emery seems ready to get things done at least.


I remember watching Philly fans go through the last decade constantly complaining that McNabb was their weakness and citing the odd Kolb game as clear evidence that McNabb should be replaced while I sat in Chicago watching an endless parade of Peter Tom Mirers and Kordell Kriegs.  I thought that Bears fans would never be so short-sighted if the Bears ever had a competent QB.

I was very wrong on that.
 
2014-01-02 02:46:23 PM

tallguywithglasseson: Rapmaster2000: But what about the POISE and LEADERSHIP of Josh McCown

Packers
McCown: 22-41, 272 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 90.7 Passer Rating (win)
Cutler: 15-24, 226 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 103.8 Passer Rating (loss)

Vikings
McCown: 23-36, 355 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 114.9 Passer Rating (loss)
Cutler: 27-38, 292 yards, 3 TD, 2 INT, 97.7 Passer Rating (win)

That Cutler's not clearly better than Josh McCown doesn't speak to how awesome Josh McCown is.


And Rodgers wasn't clearly better than Flynn before teams acquired a catalog of tape on Flynn.  This is the story of backups.  It's why Tebow the winner that just wins games isn't in the league anymore.
 
2014-01-02 02:46:55 PM

Rapmaster2000: Here's a summary of the power house defenses McCown took down this year.


In 5 out of 6, he outperformed the passer rating against, so that's a pretty good showing.  He also posted a 3-3 record to match Jay's 5-5 record.  They both look like solid quarterbacks, but neither is going to give you that next level of play, and neither is worth $18 million/year.
 
2014-01-02 02:48:38 PM
What's really important is if he can make all of the throws.
 
2014-01-02 02:49:26 PM

Smokey the Bare: It's completely unreasonable for the Bears to resign the best QB the team has had since Sid Luckman. What a bunch of farking idiots!!!

/SID FARKING LUCKMAN


Honest question for the Bears fans: Is Cutler really better than McMahon?
 
2014-01-02 02:52:10 PM
Honest question, since I didn't watch too many Bears games this year; does their defense have any young guys worth keeping and building around? On paper there's still a lot of old, declining stars and what to me looks like "meh" replacements when they got hurt.
 
rka
2014-01-02 02:53:42 PM

GypsyJoker: Smokey the Bare: It's completely unreasonable for the Bears to resign the best QB the team has had since Sid Luckman. What a bunch of farking idiots!!!

/SID FARKING LUCKMAN

Honest question for the Bears fans: Is Cutler really better than McMahon?


That's "The Punky-QB Known as McMahon" to you sir.
 
2014-01-02 02:53:56 PM

Killer Cars: Honest question, since I didn't watch too many Bears games this year; does their defense have any young guys worth keeping and building around? On paper there's still a lot of old, declining stars and what to me looks like "meh" replacements when they got hurt.


I saw a Defensive line. I saw a Defensive backfield. I also saw random people between them running slower than grandma and disappearing about 1 second into each play.
 
2014-01-02 02:55:50 PM

GypsyJoker: Smokey the Bare: It's completely unreasonable for the Bears to resign the best QB the team has had since Sid Luckman. What a bunch of farking idiots!!!

/SID FARKING LUCKMAN

Honest question for the Bears fans: Is Cutler really better than McMahon?


Yes.  Statistically, Jim Harbaugh was a better Bears QB than McMahon and he did it without McMahons's advantages of a fantastic OL and every defense keyed in on Walter Payton.
 
2014-01-02 02:56:41 PM

GypsyJoker: Smokey the Bare: It's completely unreasonable for the Bears to resign the best QB the team has had since Sid Luckman. What a bunch of farking idiots!!!

/SID FARKING LUCKMAN

Honest question for the Bears fans: Is Cutler really better than McMahon?


I can't tell if you being serious here or trolling?

NO ONE ever thought that McMahon was a great QB.  We had arguably the best defensive and offensive lines in history when he was playing his best, and even then it was all Walter Payton.

/please tell me you were trolling...
 
2014-01-02 02:56:45 PM

GypsyJoker: Smokey the Bare: It's completely unreasonable for the Bears to resign the best QB the team has had since Sid Luckman. What a bunch of farking idiots!!!

/SID FARKING LUCKMAN

Honest question for the Bears fans: Is Cutler really better than McMahon?


We never found out because some asshole on the Packers destroyed his shoulder on a chickenshiat late hit bodyslam.
 
2014-01-02 02:58:14 PM

GypsyJoker: Smokey the Bare: It's completely unreasonable for the Bears to resign the best QB the team has had since Sid Luckman. What a bunch of farking idiots!!!

/SID FARKING LUCKMAN

Honest question for the Bears fans: Is Cutler really better than McMahon?


As QB, yes. As a leader, no.

However, it's important to remember that McMahon was the Trent Dilfer of the 80's: anyone could have been QB with the '85 Bears D leading the way.
 
2014-01-02 03:01:47 PM
I like to bag on Quitler, but he is one of the top "next tier" guys after Rodgers, Brees, P. Manning, and Brady. The Bears could certainly do worse. That being said, he does like to lose Packers games in some really creative ways, and for that, keep smokin down south, good buddy.
 
2014-01-02 03:06:35 PM

Killer Cars: Honest question, since I didn't watch too many Bears games this year; does their defense have any young guys worth keeping and building around? On paper there's still a lot of old, declining stars and what to me looks like "meh" replacements when they got hurt.


The Bears have a really old defense, and their two young safeties are terrible. We're looking at a total teardown, all the way to the studs. Pun not intended.
 
2014-01-02 03:08:39 PM
3 good signings today for Chi.

Cutler, Matt Slauson, Tim Jennings

/signing Jay was a no brainier. I hope they sign McCown now, too.
 
2014-01-02 03:12:58 PM

El Brujo: I hope they sign McCown now, too.


First time those words have ever been put in that order
 
2014-01-02 03:18:34 PM

Rapmaster2000: And Rodgers wasn't clearly better than Flynn before teams acquired a catalog of tape on Flynn. This is the story of backups. It's why Tebow the winner that just wins games isn't in the league anymore.


I'm still not trying to tell you that McCown is awesome.
 
2014-01-02 03:19:06 PM
As a Lion's fan, I look forward to 7more years of the Boy Named Suh and Fairley Large destroying Babyface Cutler!
 
2014-01-02 03:20:25 PM

roc6783: I like to bag on Quitler, but he is one of the top "next tier" guys after Rodgers, Brees, P. Manning, and Brady. The Bears could certainly do worse. That being said, he does like to lose Packers games in some really creative ways, and for that, keep smokin down south, good buddy.


I think this is a good signing also. For all his faults, he's still the best QB they would've likely been able to get their hands on. But I know plenty of Bears fans who would rather sweep the Packers and go 2-14 than lose both games but still make the playoffs.
 
2014-01-02 03:21:00 PM

AntonChigger: As a Lion's fan, I look forward to 7more years of the Boy Named Suh and Fairley Large destroying Babyface Cutler!


You are a fan that is the propety of a lion?
 
2014-01-02 03:21:44 PM

Dr Dreidel: Electromax: Cutler won't see those 7 years if Emery isn't satisfied, Emery seems ready to get things done at least.

Can you name any 37-year-old big-money-and-worth-it QBs? Because that's what Cutler would be in Year 7 of this deal, and at $54M guaranteed, that's a HEAP of coin for the 2019-2020 seasons. I think they're hoping the O-line stays shiatty enough to kill him sometime in Year 4 (I mean, we do all know that the Contract Year and sometimes, the Contract Year-1 numbers are renegotiated in a new deal, yes?) or he retires.

// also, this is a deal almost as big as Flacco's and for a QB that is in every way worse than Joey Eyebrow


The O-line was drastically (nigh unbelievably, to me) improved over the 2010-2012 lines. Especially with Marshall and now Jeffrey taking some pressure off Forte, I hope the days of 9-sack first halves are gone for a couple years.

Also Cutler > Flacco in entertainment value, on the field or at the press table.
 
2014-01-02 03:23:00 PM

Treygreen13: AntonChigger: As a Lion's fan, I look forward to 7more years of the Boy Named Suh and Fairley Large destroying Babyface Cutler!

You are a fan that is the propety of a lion?


Its very hot in Africa, and Lions have a lot of fur.

/Stupid grammar
 
2014-01-02 03:26:24 PM
C'mon, if you're going to remove immediate duplicate headlines, at least keep the funny one.

Cutler's the best option they have, but if he's the best option you have, you're not going to win. He's a less-successful Tony Romo with even more chokes to his credit.
 
2014-01-02 03:26:38 PM

AntonChigger: As a Lion's fan, I look forward to 7more years of the Boy Named Suh and Fairley Large destroying Babyface Cutler!


Goodell will probably have made about 2 million in fines from Suh by then, if the trend keeps up. He'shiat Suh for something crazy like $200,000 so far.

The Lions become a lot less hate-able now that asshole coach is gone though, Schwarz always seemed like he could bring out the worst in his guys.
 
2014-01-02 03:29:29 PM

Dr Dreidel: Electromax: Cutler won't see those 7 years if Emery isn't satisfied, Emery seems ready to get things done at least.

Can you name any 37-year-old big-money-and-worth-it QBs? Because that's what Cutler would be in Year 7 of this deal, and at $54M guaranteed, that's a HEAP of coin for the 2019-2020 seasons. I think they're hoping the O-line stays shiatty enough to kill him sometime in Year 4 (I mean, we do all know that the Contract Year and sometimes, the Contract Year-1 numbers are renegotiated in a new deal, yes?) or he retires.

// also, this is a deal almost as big as Flacco's and for a QB that is in every way worse than Joey Eyebrow


Manning, Favre, Cunningham. Barring career enders, Brees (2-3 years) and Brady (1 year) are likely to be there soon.

That said, he'll either be retired or renegotiated by the end of that contract. If it was more than an after thought right now I'd be surprised.
 
2014-01-02 03:29:40 PM

Electromax: AntonChigger: As a Lion's fan, I look forward to 7more years of the Boy Named Suh and Fairley Large destroying Babyface Cutler!

Goodell will probably have made about 2 million in fines from Suh by then, if the trend keeps up. He'shiat Suh for something crazy like $200,000 so far.

The Lions become a lot less hate-able now that asshole coach is gone though, Schwarz always seemed like he could bring out the worst in his guys.


Everytime Suh touches someone or looks at a QB we joke that he is going to get fined
 
2014-01-02 03:33:10 PM

Rapmaster2000: But what about the POISE and LEADERSHIP of Josh McCown!?


He's a very good backup QB. A role player. He is not going to win you the really tough games, but he won't lose the game for you.

Cutler will go balls out to try and win a game, so of course things will go wrong on occasion. No risk, no reward.
 
2014-01-02 03:37:20 PM

redmid17: Manning, Favre, Cunningham. Barring career enders, Brees (2-3 years) and Brady (1 year) are likely to be there soon.

That said, he'll either be retired or renegotiated by the end of that contract.


Of course, there's a pretty huge drop-off from those guys to Cutler.
 
2014-01-02 03:38:57 PM

Dr Dreidel: Can you name any 37-year-old big-money-and-worth-it QBs?


Peyton Manning.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2014-01-02 03:39:40 PM

IAmRight: C'mon, if you're going to remove immediate duplicate headlines, at least keep the funny one.

Cutler's the best option they have, but if he's the best option you have, you're not going to win. He's a less-successful Tony Romo with even more chokes to his credit.


Cutler took the Bears to the NFC Championship game.

Has Romo?


No snark, just wondering.
 
2014-01-02 03:41:02 PM

MBK: IAmRight: C'mon, if you're going to remove immediate duplicate headlines, at least keep the funny one.

Cutler's the best option they have, but if he's the best option you have, you're not going to win. He's a less-successful Tony Romo with even more chokes to his credit.

Cutler took the Bears to the NFC Championship game.

Has Romo?


No snark, just wondering.


No, he hasn't. Which is probably good because where would he put the trophy you get for losing the NFC Championship game?
 
2014-01-02 03:41:29 PM

Electromax: Cutler > Flacco in entertainment value, on the field or at the press table.


Agreed, but for this gem:
blacksportsonline.com
(it's False Start Oher in the background, not Suggs like the filename suggests)

IAmRight: redmid17: Manning, Favre, Cunningham. Barring career enders, Brees (2-3 years) and Brady (1 year) are likely to be there soon.

That said, he'll either be retired or renegotiated by the end of that contract.

Of course, there's a pretty huge drop-off from those guys to Cutler.


Which was my point. Also that there have been like 5 in the history of the game (and Favre is stretching it a bit. That last season he was awful IIRC).
 
2014-01-02 03:45:35 PM

Electromax: AntonChigger: As a Lion's fan, I look forward to 7more years of the Boy Named Suh and Fairley Large destroying Babyface Cutler!

Goodell will probably have made about 2 million in fines from Suh by then, if the trend keeps up. He'shiat Suh for something crazy like $200,000 so far.

The Lions become a lot less hate-able now that asshole coach is gone though, Schwarz always seemed like he could bring out the worst in his guys.


Between Suh, Fairley, and Stafford, there's still plenty to hate about them. But who knows, maybe with a different coach they won't be as big of douchebags.
 
2014-01-02 03:48:20 PM

Dr Dreidel: Electromax: Cutler > Flacco in entertainment value, on the field or at the press table.

Agreed, but for this gem:
[blacksportsonline.com image 450x600]
(it's False Start Oher in the background, not Suggs like the filename suggests)

IAmRight: redmid17: Manning, Favre, Cunningham. Barring career enders, Brees (2-3 years) and Brady (1 year) are likely to be there soon.

That said, he'll either be retired or renegotiated by the end of that contract.

Of course, there's a pretty huge drop-off from those guys to Cutler.

Which was my point. Also that there have been like 5 in the history of the game (and Favre is stretching it a bit. That last season he was awful IIRC).


Favre had some rough patches around 36/37 but he also had a 109 QB rating as a 40 year old. Outside of the 1998 season with Moss and Carter, Cunningham was generally worse than Cutler has performed after he turned 28/29. Favre just lost it in his last season. He Delhommed.
 
2014-01-02 03:49:36 PM

SlagginOff: Electromax: AntonChigger: As a Lion's fan, I look forward to 7more years of the Boy Named Suh and Fairley Large destroying Babyface Cutler!

Goodell will probably have made about 2 million in fines from Suh by then, if the trend keeps up. He'shiat Suh for something crazy like $200,000 so far.

The Lions become a lot less hate-able now that asshole coach is gone though, Schwarz always seemed like he could bring out the worst in his guys.

Between Suh, Fairley, and Stafford, there's still plenty to hate about them. But who knows, maybe with a different coach they won't be as big of douchebags.


Suh and Fairley have seemingly matured quite a bit this season in terms of their onfield conduct, but what's your problem with Stafford?
 
2014-01-02 03:53:05 PM
Given our problems lately, this is good news to me.

/GO PACKERS!
 
2014-01-02 03:56:16 PM

MugzyBrown: El Brujo: I hope they sign McCown now, too.

First time those words have ever been put in that order


Probably.

I wonder if he played himself out of backup range for Chicago. I bet there are a few teams who would give him starting money over their current guy, if the situation was right.

Jacksonville? Miami? Cleveland? Minnesota? St. Louis? Oakland?

Just wild guesses
 
2014-01-02 03:57:09 PM
static1.fjcdn.com
What the Chicago Bears management may look like.
 
2014-01-02 03:58:53 PM

El Brujo: MugzyBrown: El Brujo: I hope they sign McCown now, too.

First time those words have ever been put in that order

Probably.

I wonder if he played himself out of backup range for Chicago. I bet there are a few teams who would give him starting money over their current guy, if the situation was right.

Jacksonville? Miami? Cleveland? Minnesota? St. Louis? Oakland?

Just wild guesses


I'm sure he'll get an offer somewhere. St. Louis still has Bradford, Oakland will probably stick with Pryor. Minnesota, Cleveland, and Jacksonville might consider it. I think Miami is still invested in Tannehill in spite of his hilarious season-ending meltdown.
 
2014-01-02 03:59:48 PM

NewWorldDan: Rapmaster2000: Here's a summary of the power house defenses McCown took down this year.

In 5 out of 6, he outperformed the passer rating against, so that's a pretty good showing.  He also posted a 3-3 record to match Jay's 5-5 record.  They both look like solid quarterbacks, but neither is going to give you that next level of play, and neither is worth $18 million/year.


The problem is that there are only so many competent quarterbacks around, far fewer than there are teams who need them. It might surprise you but a merely competent quarterback is worth about $18 million a year.
 
2014-01-02 04:00:29 PM

El Brujo: Jacksonville? Miami? Cleveland? Minnesota? St. Louis? Oakland?

Just wild guesses


He's 34 and has outright SUCKED everywhere he's played except for a few games this season.

So I would say.. No, No, No, No, No, No
 
2014-01-02 04:05:21 PM

AntonChigger: SlagginOff: Electromax: AntonChigger: As a Lion's fan, I look forward to 7more years of the Boy Named Suh and Fairley Large destroying Babyface Cutler!

Goodell will probably have made about 2 million in fines from Suh by then, if the trend keeps up. He'shiat Suh for something crazy like $200,000 so far.

The Lions become a lot less hate-able now that asshole coach is gone though, Schwarz always seemed like he could bring out the worst in his guys.

Between Suh, Fairley, and Stafford, there's still plenty to hate about them. But who knows, maybe with a different coach they won't be as big of douchebags.

Suh and Fairley have seemingly matured quite a bit this season in terms of their onfield conduct, but what's your problem with Stafford?


Eh, he just comes across as a total brodouche. Also, suckerpunching DJ Moore a few years ago didn't particularly help endear him to me. Plus he's on Detroit, so naturally I have to hate him.
 
2014-01-02 04:15:13 PM

El Brujo: MugzyBrown: El Brujo: I hope they sign McCown now, too.

First time those words have ever been put in that order

Probably.

I wonder if he played himself out of backup range for Chicago. I bet there are a few teams who would give him starting money over their current guy, if the situation was right.

Jacksonville? Miami? Cleveland? Minnesota? St. Louis? Oakland?

Just wild guesses


Minnesota might make sense as a stop gap.  They probably draft too late for a good QB and being the former starter for a division rival has its benefits.  He's too old and not good enough for more than that, though.
 
2014-01-02 04:16:31 PM

Dr Dreidel: Electromax: Cutler won't see those 7 years if Emery isn't satisfied, Emery seems ready to get things done at least.

Can you name any 37-year-old big-money-and-worth-it QBs? Because that's what Cutler would be in Year 7 of this deal, and at $54M guaranteed, that's a HEAP of coin for the 2019-2020 seasons. I think they're hoping the O-line stays shiatty enough to kill him sometime in Year 4 (I mean, we do all know that the Contract Year and sometimes, the Contract Year-1 numbers are renegotiated in a new deal, yes?) or he retires.

// also, this is a deal almost as big as Flacco's and for a QB that is in every way worse than Joey Eyebrow


From Reddit:

"Everything but signing bonus is essentially not guaranteed.
Singing Signing bonus can only be prorated 5 years. So years 6 and 7 are 100% un-guaranteed. Which is why I said, the length doesn't mean much.
EDIT: This contract might as well be 5 years, ~$80 Million (~$16 million per year). Because I'm guessing those last 2 years are $20+ million each, and they don't mean anything."
 
2014-01-02 04:24:06 PM

llortcM_yllort: El Brujo: MugzyBrown: El Brujo: I hope they sign McCown now, too.

First time those words have ever been put in that order

Probably.

I wonder if he played himself out of backup range for Chicago. I bet there are a few teams who would give him starting money over their current guy, if the situation was right.

Jacksonville? Miami? Cleveland? Minnesota? St. Louis? Oakland?

Just wild guesses

Minnesota might make sense as a stop gap.  They probably draft too late for a good QB and being the former starter for a division rival has its benefits.  He's too old and not good enough for more than that, though.


They already have Cassel for a stop gap
 
2014-01-02 04:31:20 PM
All ribbing aside, it's the right move for the Bears. At least they didn't give him Matt Ryan money. It's more like Sam Bradford money.
 
2014-01-02 04:33:52 PM

tallguywithglasseson: All ribbing aside, it's the right move for the Bears. At least they didn't give him Matt Ryan money. It's more like Sam Bradford money.


I... uhh.... I wouldn't use Sam Bradford as a good example of money.
 
2014-01-02 04:34:13 PM
This news gives me hope that despite the fact that the Lions are the Lions - with Cutler on the other side of the ball there is always a chance we win that game.
 
2014-01-02 04:47:37 PM

kukukupo: This news gives me hope that despite the fact that the Lions are the Lions - with Cutler on the other side of the ball there is always a chance we win that game.


Yeah, he had two losses this year to the Lions but now even with those losses he's 7-4 against them with a 91.7 rating and 15/5 TD/INT. Sure the Lions are a different team than they were when he first joined the Bears but overall he's done a very good job against them. My big fear would be a dirty Suh hit ending his career though.
 
2014-01-02 04:50:00 PM
This is good, and Cutler will be heading to FL for the Offseason with most of the playmakers on Offense - further creating chemistry and stability.  2014 could be an explosive year, barring injuries, for the Bears already strong offense.
 
2014-01-02 04:50:33 PM

kukukupo: This news gives me hope that despite the fact that the Lions are the Lions - with Cutler on the other side of the ball there is always a chance we win that game.


And again...I ask...which other QB is available that is better than Cutler that you would be fearful of? Because there isn't any.

And so far....The answer in Detroit hasn't been Stafford either. I'm still not sure how a relatively healthy Detroit team falls behind both Chicago and Green Bay with their combination of injuries...AND with a better defense than either of the two.
 
2014-01-02 04:56:19 PM
I recommend taking a look at the stats for this year. Chicago's offense was second in the league in scoring. The offense is not the problem, and Cutler is not the problem. Their defense tied for 30th in points allowed.  If the defense had been merely mediocre instead of atrocious, they would have won their division easily.
 
2014-01-02 04:57:30 PM

bingethinker: I recommend taking a look at the stats for this year. Chicago's offense was second in the league in scoring. The offense is not the problem, and Cutler is not the problem. Their defense tied for 30th in points allowed.  If the defense had been merely mediocre instead of atrocious, they would have won their division easily.


Wise words. Unfortunately, a good part of Fark thinks jewelry is a primary concern for quarterbacks instead of ability.
 
2014-01-02 05:00:11 PM

Treygreen13: tallguywithglasseson: All ribbing aside, it's the right move for the Bears. At least they didn't give him Matt Ryan money. It's more like Sam Bradford money.

I... uhh.... I wouldn't use Sam Bradford as a good example of money.


After what Matty Hype and Flacco got paid, Bradford money is what you gotta pay any decent QB.  If you ignore the 6 &7 years w/ 0 guaranteed money (ie gonna get restructured), this contract basically matches what Stafford gets for 5 years

If they didn't the Jags would have happily paid him $16 million since they aren't getting Bridgewater
 
2014-01-02 05:11:04 PM

MBK: Cutler took the Bears to the NFC Championship game.


By beating the only sub-.500 playoff team in NFL history. A team that was 2-6 on the road (of course, one of those two wins was a win over the Bears earlier that season). So he and Romo have one playoff win each. Of course, Cutler's only BEEN to the playoffs once, so there's that.

Dr Dreidel: Which was my point. Also that there have been like 5 in the history of the game (and Favre is stretching it a bit. That last season he was awful IIRC).


Well, he WAS 41 at the time, though, so it's not really stretching it. Made three Pro Bowls (even if his selection was ridiculous in the NYJ year) after age 37. And I'm saying this as someone who was wanting Rodgers to start way earlier so I hate Favre.
 
2014-01-02 05:12:10 PM
Can you imagine being Minnesota atm?

They burned through 4 quarterbacks this season with no real hope.

Hell, the Falcons threw $100 million at Matt Ryan to go 4-12?!
 
2014-01-02 05:13:15 PM
And Romo has posted as many points as Cutler in an NFC Championship game. =)
 
2014-01-02 05:15:55 PM

IAmRight: And Romo has posted as many points as Cutler in an NFC Championship game. =)


Who cares? There's no prize for losing the NFC Championship game. Hell, the Super Bowl is just a short win streak.

Can Cutler throw the ball to his receivers well? Can he run the offense? That's all that matters.
 
2014-01-02 05:34:02 PM
Dammit Fark Mods... you giveth and you taketh away.  My only greenlight  ever gets deleted? Mods....  I hope you guys never find love.


In all seriousness though, this Jay Cutler situation baffles me. I do actually understand why someone would resign him, but I never understand the crowd that says "Hey it's a no-brainer... sign him". Is it because there's no faith in what moves the front office could do via drafting or trades? Or is it just because its a relief to have a QB doesn't fail everygame? It's certainly not his record against Green Bay.His career stats don't scream "elite QB" and he's almost guaranteed to be injured at some point during the season.I just don't get what has made Jay untouchable in some minds.


On a more important note, you could have the greatest QB in the world and not go anywhere with the hot garbage the Bears call a defense. That should be Phil Emery's focus, actually. I would be happier if Phil did a press conference to say that they've cut Chris Conte (the player, not the reporter) and everyone that had a hand in letting RBs just march up and down the field.
 
2014-01-02 05:36:22 PM

Mind of the North Star: Dammit Fark Mods... you giveth and you taketh away.  My only greenlight  ever gets deleted? Mods....  I hope you guys never find love.


In all seriousness though, this Jay Cutler situation baffles me. I do actually understand why someone would resign him, but I never understand the crowd that says "Hey it's a no-brainer... sign him". Is it because there's no faith in what moves the front office could do via drafting or trades? Or is it just because its a relief to have a QB doesn't fail everygame? It's certainly not his record against Green Bay.His career stats don't scream "elite QB" and he's almost guaranteed to be injured at some point during the season.I just don't get what has made Jay untouchable in some minds.


On a more important note, you could have the greatest QB in the world and not go anywhere with the hot garbage the Bears call a defense. That should be Phil Emery's focus, actually. I would be happier if Phil did a press conference to say that they've cut Chris Conte (the player, not the reporter) and everyone that had a hand in letting RBs just march up and down the field.


I think the comments are more along the lines of this:

1. Jay Cutler is better than the free agent QBs out there.
2. Other teams don't trade their starting QBs if they're any good because of reason #1.
3. The Bears woes weren't on the offensive side. The offense was productive, the defense was what blew it.
 
2014-01-02 05:41:57 PM

IAmRight: Dr Dreidel: Which was my point. Also that there have been like 5 in the history of the game (and Favre is stretching it a bit. That last season he was awful IIRC).

Well, he WAS 41 at the time, though, so it's not really stretching it. Made three Pro Bowls (even if his selection was ridiculous in the NYJ year) after age 37. And I'm saying this as someone who was wanting Rodgers to start way earlier so I hate Favre.


For some reason, I thought Favre retired at 38-39. Regardless, that there are 5 examples anyone can refer to over about 50 years of football suggests that planning to have a 37-year-old contributor at QB is like planning to fill an inside straight with a single draw.

// I suspect it's less statistically likely than that, but I don't have Teh Maff to prove it
 
2014-01-02 05:42:48 PM

Treygreen13: 3. The Bears woes weren't on the offensive side. The offense was productive, the defense was what blew it.


Of course, the offense is now talented enough and well-run to the point that Josh McCown can come in and be the top-rated passer in the NFL running it, bad opposing defenses or no.
 
2014-01-02 05:47:03 PM

Dr Dreidel: IAmRight: Dr Dreidel: Which was my point. Also that there have been like 5 in the history of the game (and Favre is stretching it a bit. That last season he was awful IIRC).

Well, he WAS 41 at the time, though, so it's not really stretching it. Made three Pro Bowls (even if his selection was ridiculous in the NYJ year) after age 37. And I'm saying this as someone who was wanting Rodgers to start way earlier so I hate Favre.

For some reason, I thought Favre retired at 38-39. Regardless, that there are 5 examples anyone can refer to over about 50 years of football suggests that planning to have a 37-year-old contributor at QB is like planning to fill an inside straight with a single draw.

// I suspect it's less statistically likely than that, but I don't have Teh Maff to prove it


37 year old QBs productively playing in the NFL? It's more likely than you think.

/you will lose hours at PFR if you aren't careful
 
2014-01-02 05:49:34 PM

Mind of the North Star: Dammit Fark Mods... you giveth and you taketh away.  My only greenlight  ever gets deleted? Mods....  I hope you guys never find love.


In all seriousness though, this Jay Cutler situation baffles me. I do actually understand why someone would resign him, but I never understand the crowd that says "Hey it's a no-brainer... sign him". Is it because there's no faith in what moves the front office could do via drafting or trades? Or is it just because its a relief to have a QB doesn't fail everygame? It's certainly not his record against Green Bay.His career stats don't scream "elite QB" and he's almost guaranteed to be injured at some point during the season.I just don't get what has made Jay untouchable in some minds.


On a more important note, you could have the greatest QB in the world and not go anywhere with the hot garbage the Bears call a defense. That should be Phil Emery's focus, actually. I would be happier if Phil did a press conference to say that they've cut Chris Conte (the player, not the reporter) and everyone that had a hand in letting RBs just march up and down the field.


It's a no brainer because the alternatives are far worse

1) Sign McCown, Flynn or some other garbage backups that had a couple of good games this year and tons of crappy ones in the years past
2) Sign Freeman, Weeden, Gabertt or one of the other soon to be jobless QBs
3) VY, Leinheart, JaFatAss or one of the other jobless QBs out there now
4) Trade for Schaub, Sanchez, Orton, Campbell or Cousins (or pick them up if/when they get cut)
5) Pickup whatever QB wasn't touched by the Texans, Browns, Jags or Vikings in the draft and pray to god they turn into Russel Wilson
 
2014-01-02 05:51:19 PM

ShadowKamui: Mind of the North Star: Dammit Fark Mods... you giveth and you taketh away.  My only greenlight  ever gets deleted? Mods....  I hope you guys never find love.


In all seriousness though, this Jay Cutler situation baffles me. I do actually understand why someone would resign him, but I never understand the crowd that says "Hey it's a no-brainer... sign him". Is it because there's no faith in what moves the front office could do via drafting or trades? Or is it just because its a relief to have a QB doesn't fail everygame? It's certainly not his record against Green Bay.His career stats don't scream "elite QB" and he's almost guaranteed to be injured at some point during the season.I just don't get what has made Jay untouchable in some minds.


On a more important note, you could have the greatest QB in the world and not go anywhere with the hot garbage the Bears call a defense. That should be Phil Emery's focus, actually. I would be happier if Phil did a press conference to say that they've cut Chris Conte (the player, not the reporter) and everyone that had a hand in letting RBs just march up and down the field.

It's a no brainer because the alternatives are far worse

1) Sign McCown, Flynn or some other garbage backups that had a couple of good games this year and tons of crappy ones in the years past
2) Sign Freeman, Weeden, Gabertt or one of the other soon to be jobless QBs
3) VY, Leinheart, JaFatAss or one of the other jobless QBs out there now
4) Trade for Schaub, Sanchez, Orton, Campbell or Cousins (or pick them up if/when they get cut)
5) Pickup whatever QB wasn't touched by the Texans, Browns, Jags or Vikings in the draft and pray to god they turn into Russel Wilson


They could always bring in Orton. Heh.
 
2014-01-02 05:54:16 PM

Treygreen13: ShadowKamui: Mind of the North Star: Dammit Fark Mods... you giveth and you taketh away.  My only greenlight  ever gets deleted? Mods....  I hope you guys never find love.


In all seriousness though, this Jay Cutler situation baffles me. I do actually understand why someone would resign him, but I never understand the crowd that says "Hey it's a no-brainer... sign him". Is it because there's no faith in what moves the front office could do via drafting or trades? Or is it just because its a relief to have a QB doesn't fail everygame? It's certainly not his record against Green Bay.His career stats don't scream "elite QB" and he's almost guaranteed to be injured at some point during the season.I just don't get what has made Jay untouchable in some minds.


On a more important note, you could have the greatest QB in the world and not go anywhere with the hot garbage the Bears call a defense. That should be Phil Emery's focus, actually. I would be happier if Phil did a press conference to say that they've cut Chris Conte (the player, not the reporter) and everyone that had a hand in letting RBs just march up and down the field.

It's a no brainer because the alternatives are far worse

1) Sign McCown, Flynn or some other garbage backups that had a couple of good games this year and tons of crappy ones in the years past
2) Sign Freeman, Weeden, Gabertt or one of the other soon to be jobless QBs
3) VY, Leinheart, JaFatAss or one of the other jobless QBs out there now
4) Trade for Schaub, Sanchez, Orton, Campbell or Cousins (or pick them up if/when they get cut)
5) Pickup whatever QB wasn't touched by the Texans, Browns, Jags or Vikings in the draft and pray to god they turn into Russel Wilson

They could always bring in Orton. Heh.


That would fall under #4. Boys have him under contract through the end of next late December game killing interception time.
 
2014-01-02 05:55:03 PM

Treygreen13: ShadowKamui: Mind of the North Star: Dammit Fark Mods... you giveth and you taketh away.  My only greenlight  ever gets deleted? Mods....  I hope you guys never find love.


In all seriousness though, this Jay Cutler situation baffles me. I do actually understand why someone would resign him, but I never understand the crowd that says "Hey it's a no-brainer... sign him". Is it because there's no faith in what moves the front office could do via drafting or trades? Or is it just because its a relief to have a QB doesn't fail everygame? It's certainly not his record against Green Bay.His career stats don't scream "elite QB" and he's almost guaranteed to be injured at some point during the season.I just don't get what has made Jay untouchable in some minds.


On a more important note, you could have the greatest QB in the world and not go anywhere with the hot garbage the Bears call a defense. That should be Phil Emery's focus, actually. I would be happier if Phil did a press conference to say that they've cut Chris Conte (the player, not the reporter) and everyone that had a hand in letting RBs just march up and down the field.

It's a no brainer because the alternatives are far worse

1) Sign McCown, Flynn or some other garbage backups that had a couple of good games this year and tons of crappy ones in the years past
2) Sign Freeman, Weeden, Gabertt or one of the other soon to be jobless QBs
3) VY, Leinheart, JaFatAss or one of the other jobless QBs out there now
4) Trade for Schaub, Sanchez, Orton, Campbell or Cousins (or pick them up if/when they get cut)
5) Pickup whatever QB wasn't touched by the Texans, Browns, Jags or Vikings in the draft and pray to god they turn into Russel Wilson

They could always bring in Orton. Heh.


The irony of that would not be lost on me.

Of course then I would also have to watch Culter still get paid $16 mil and throw to Blackmon/Shorts while they torched the Texans.
 
2014-01-02 06:00:09 PM

ShadowKamui: 1) Sign McCown, Flynn or some other garbage backups that had a couple of good games this year and tons of crappy ones in the years past


Kinda tired of everyone acting like McCown has never done anything. He's been a decent QB for a few teams. Just isn't a sexy name so he's not going to replace anyone or get serious consideration for a large contract and an automatic starting job. And often gets stuck on crappy teams - he's not going to make a crappy team good, but he can steer the ship of a good team pretty well.

But I suppose people also believe that NFL jobs are 100% based on performance. It's the one magical place in the world where middle managers are omniscient.
 
2014-01-02 06:08:02 PM

redmid17: 37 year old QBs productively playing in the NFL? It's more likely than you think.

/you will lose hours at PFR if you aren't careful


That's 17 players since 1959, 15 since the 60s. In total. Looking at the rest of the numbers, the bottom 6 seasons (and possibly Simms' 1990 season) aren't really anything to crow about, so it's more like 13 players total, 12 since 1960.

Letting me go a bit easy on the math, if we assume an average of 25 NFL teams per season and a 50-year window, that's 1,250 team-seasons. Without knowing how many of those 1,250 fielded a 36+QB for more than 75% of the games, I feel somewhat comfortable stating that it's incredibly unlikely. Like trying to fill an inside straight with a single draw (the odds of which, in Hold'Em, are 4 in 46, or ~8.7%).
 
2014-01-02 06:17:56 PM

IAmRight: ShadowKamui: 1) Sign McCown, Flynn or some other garbage backups that had a couple of good games this year and tons of crappy ones in the years past

Kinda tired of everyone acting like McCown has never done anything. He's been a decent QB for a few teams. Just isn't a sexy name so he's not going to replace anyone or get serious consideration for a large contract and an automatic starting job. And often gets stuck on crappy teams - he's not going to make a crappy team good, but he can steer the ship of a good team pretty well.

But I suppose people also believe that NFL jobs are 100% based on performance. It's the one magical place in the world where middle managers are omniscient.


No he simply got beat out by Warner, Pennington, Kita, Cutler and sorta Culpepper.  He's also a 34 years old and retiring soon.

Trying to go w/ him is simply saying 9 wins is the best we can do and hope that wins the division, cause otherwise you're a permanently unemployed GM the second the Culter lead Jags clinch a playoff spot in week 16
 
2014-01-02 06:24:21 PM

snowshovel: kukukupo: This news gives me hope that despite the fact that the Lions are the Lions - with Cutler on the other side of the ball there is always a chance we win that game.

And again...I ask...which other QB is available that is better than Cutler that you would be fearful of? Because there isn't any.

And so far....The answer in Detroit hasn't been Stafford either. I'm still not sure how a relatively healthy Detroit team falls behind both Chicago and Green Bay with their combination of injuries...AND with a better defense than either of the two.


Who else would you suggest other than Stafford?  I think part of the problem is that Schwartz, and whomever else they fired, were not good at helping Stafford to control and use his talent more effectively.  Now that they are gone, I'm hoping things will improve.
 
2014-01-02 06:28:40 PM

AntonChigger: As a Lion's fan, I look forward to 7more years of the Boy Named Suh and Fairley Large destroying Babyface Cutler!


Please speak up, I can't hear you.  There seems to be some kind of choking sound drowning you out.
 
2014-01-02 06:37:14 PM

redmid17: Treygreen13: ShadowKamui: Mind of the North Star: Dammit Fark Mods... you giveth and you taketh away.  My only greenlight  ever gets deleted? Mods....  I hope you guys never find love.


In all seriousness though, this Jay Cutler situation baffles me. I do actually understand why someone would resign him, but I never understand the crowd that says "Hey it's a no-brainer... sign him". Is it because there's no faith in what moves the front office could do via drafting or trades? Or is it just because its a relief to have a QB doesn't fail everygame? It's certainly not his record against Green Bay.His career stats don't scream "elite QB" and he's almost guaranteed to be injured at some point during the season.I just don't get what has made Jay untouchable in some minds.


On a more important note, you could have the greatest QB in the world and not go anywhere with the hot garbage the Bears call a defense. That should be Phil Emery's focus, actually. I would be happier if Phil did a press conference to say that they've cut Chris Conte (the player, not the reporter) and everyone that had a hand in letting RBs just march up and down the field.

It's a no brainer because the alternatives are far worse

1) Sign McCown, Flynn or some other garbage backups that had a couple of good games this year and tons of crappy ones in the years past
2) Sign Freeman, Weeden, Gabertt or one of the other soon to be jobless QBs
3) VY, Leinheart, JaFatAss or one of the other jobless QBs out there now
4) Trade for Schaub, Sanchez, Orton, Campbell or Cousins (or pick them up if/when they get cut)
5) Pickup whatever QB wasn't touched by the Texans, Browns, Jags or Vikings in the draft and pray to god they turn into Russel Wilson

They could always bring in Orton. Heh.

That would fall under #4. Boys have him under contract through the end of next late December game killing interception time.


They could probably get Rex Grossman back for a handful of shiny glass beads.
 
2014-01-02 06:43:23 PM
OK I wanna axe everyone here a question, there is a Mr Olympia Body builder who is also named Jay Cutler, how has mixing the 2 up NOT became a fark meme similar to Austria/Australia?
 
2014-01-02 06:49:35 PM

SlagginOff: Electromax: AntonChigger: As a Lion's fan, I look forward to 7more years of the Boy Named Suh and Fairley Large destroying Babyface Cutler!

Goodell will probably have made about 2 million in fines from Suh by then, if the trend keeps up. He'shiat Suh for something crazy like $200,000 so far.

The Lions become a lot less hate-able now that asshole coach is gone though, Schwarz always seemed like he could bring out the worst in his guys.

Between Suh, Fairley, and Stafford, there's still plenty to hate about them. But who knows, maybe with a different coach they won't be as big of douchebags.


The new coach is bringing a magic wand with him?
 
2014-01-02 06:49:41 PM

Crudbucket: ....
They could probably get Rex Grossman back for a handful of shiny glass beads.


Benson is available too if you just wanna try and get the whole band back together
 
2014-01-02 06:51:48 PM

meanmutton: The problem is that there are only so many competent quarterbacks around, far fewer than there are teams who need them. It might surprise you but a merely competent quarterback is worth about $18 million a year.


At any given point in time, there are approximately 25 individuals who are capable of performing as a starting quarterback in the NFL. There are others who have deficiencies in either the physical, mental, or emotional part of their game, but are capable of serving as backups.

Jay Cutler is basically the same guy as Tony Romo, Matt Stafford, Matt Ryan, and Carson Palmer. Matt Schaub used to be in this group, but he lost the mental part of his game.

But, if you've got one of those guys, you pay 'em about $18 million, because teams without one of those 25 guys will gladly pay that.
 
Al!
2014-01-02 07:10:46 PM

Treygreen13: AntonChigger: As a Lion's fan, I look forward to 7more years of the Boy Named Suh and Fairley Large destroying Babyface Cutler!

You are a fan that is the propety of a lion?


I was thinking it was some poorly worded analogy: As a lion is fan (meaning wait in Irish)...
 
2014-01-02 08:26:29 PM

AntonChigger: snowshovel: kukukupo: This news gives me hope that despite the fact that the Lions are the Lions - with Cutler on the other side of the ball there is always a chance we win that game.

And again...I ask...which other QB is available that is better than Cutler that you would be fearful of? Because there isn't any.

And so far....The answer in Detroit hasn't been Stafford either. I'm still not sure how a relatively healthy Detroit team falls behind both Chicago and Green Bay with their combination of injuries...AND with a better defense than either of the two.

Who else would you suggest other than Stafford?  I think part of the problem is that Schwartz, and whomever else they fired, were not good at helping Stafford to control and use his talent more effectively.  Now that they are gone, I'm hoping things will improve.


No one, really. But that's the issue with QBs. There are sooo very few of them that are halfway decent, that when you have one, you keep him like gold.

Really, the offensive passing stats between the Lions and Bears are eerily similar at this point...and both feature the "wing it down and hope the giant guy outjumps the DB for the ball" pretty effectively. Short of the 5 or 6 untouchable obvious choices, it would be fairly foolish to dump either in hope of magically/luckily finding a QB that's better from the draft/arena ball/the local gym. Of course, I've always been a believer that you probably should always draft a QB in the later rounds even if you don't think you need one, because you never know...

And as others have noted...yeah, the length of the contract is pretty silly, except when you view it that the last few years probably won't get paid out anyway, it's not that big of a deal. Those years are just future incentives.
 
2014-01-02 08:50:53 PM
I knew it was bad when sports radio around here started pining for a mid-ranked defense...anywhere from 15th to 20th. Just something to stop the bleeding and win the games you score 28-30 points in.

Emery did an incredible job creating that offense in no time flat. I have faith he can do similar with the defense.

The good thing about being atrocious is that any improvement feels like a victory.
 
2014-01-02 09:35:37 PM

snowshovel: Those years are just future incentives.


Those years are just about bringing down the average so you get a lower cap number.
 
2014-01-02 09:37:21 PM

CMVenom: The good thing about being atrocious is that any improvement feels like a victory.


Now you sound like a WSU Cougars fan during the Wulff years. "Hey, we strung together some first downs on a couple drives late in that game and we only gave up 30 or so points! WE CAN BUILD ON THIS!"
 
2014-01-02 10:25:14 PM
I've been witness to Chicago's infatuation with defense throughout all my years as a Bears fan. This move, and the commitment that the organization has made to scoring, shows me something I have not seen before. Cutler is the best quarterback my team has ever had, at a time when you need to be a prolific scoring team in order to win. It's a good day.

There are two types of people who do not like this move:
1.Haters. Cutler is abrasive and some people cannot separate his talent from his demeanor. They likely even favor quarterbacks that have worse career stats than Cutler, all because of Cutler's character.
2. Old meatballs. They want a dominant defense in Chicago because DITKA POLISH SAHSAGE FIRE AND PASSION DITKA 85 BEARS. These fans genuinely believe that the Bears just need a fullback like Matt Suhey and everything would be OK on the offense.
 
2014-01-02 11:18:10 PM

Owangotang: These fans genuinely believe that the Bears just need a fullback like Matt Suhey and everything would be OK on the offense.


That's because Suhey sounds like Sausage.  The simple act of typing the word 'Suhey' makes my mouth water and oh my god why is there a snow storm when I must go to the store and buy sausages!  Also, defense.
 
2014-01-02 11:18:13 PM

Owangotang: Cutler is the best quarterback my team has ever had


Faint, faint praise indeed.

/not better than Luckman
 
2014-01-02 11:48:24 PM

snowshovel: kukukupo: This news gives me hope that despite the fact that the Lions are the Lions - with Cutler on the other side of the ball there is always a chance we win that game.

And again...I ask...which other QB is available that is better than Cutler that you would be fearful of? Because there isn't any.

And so far....The answer in Detroit hasn't been Stafford either. I'm still not sure how a relatively healthy Detroit team falls behind both Chicago and Green Bay with their combination of injuries...AND with a better defense than either of the two.


Horrible coaching.
 
2014-01-03 12:18:28 AM

Owangotang: I've been witness to Chicago's infatuation with defense throughout all my years as a Bears fan. This move, and the commitment that the organization has made to scoring, shows me something I have not seen before. Cutler is the best quarterback my team has ever had, at a time when you need to be a prolific scoring team in order to win. It's a good day.

There are two types of people who do not like this move:
1.Haters. Cutler is abrasive and some people cannot separate his talent from his demeanor. They likely even favor quarterbacks that have worse career stats than Cutler, all because of Cutler's character.
2. Old meatballs. They want a dominant defense in Chicago because DITKA POLISH SAHSAGE FIRE AND PASSION DITKA 85 BEARS. These fans genuinely believe that the Bears just need a fullback like Matt Suhey and everything would be OK on the offense.


Boers and Berstein are going to sue for plagiarism.  I'm tired of the idiots, with their, "We should dump Cutler and keep McCown and (hand wave) draft a quarterback.  Then everything will be fine."   The morans talk about McCown like he was busy polishing his Super Bowl rings, when the Bears called him, not coaching a high school team.  That being said, I hope the guy parleys the games that he won into a payday.
 
2014-01-03 12:36:57 AM

zimbomba63: The morans talk about McCown like he was busy polishing his Super Bowl rings, when the Bears called him, not coaching a high school team.


Shouldn't it then be concerning, then, that he outperformed your franchise QB?
 
2014-01-03 01:46:35 AM

Treygreen13: ShadowKamui: Mind of the North Star: Dammit Fark Mods... you giveth and you taketh away.  My only greenlight  ever gets deleted? Mods....  I hope you guys never find love.


In all seriousness though, this Jay Cutler situation baffles me. I do actually understand why someone would resign him, but I never understand the crowd that says "Hey it's a no-brainer... sign him". Is it because there's no faith in what moves the front office could do via drafting or trades? Or is it just because its a relief to have a QB doesn't fail everygame? It's certainly not his record against Green Bay.His career stats don't scream "elite QB" and he's almost guaranteed to be injured at some point during the season.I just don't get what has made Jay untouchable in some minds.


On a more important note, you could have the greatest QB in the world and not go anywhere with the hot garbage the Bears call a defense. That should be Phil Emery's focus, actually. I would be happier if Phil did a press conference to say that they've cut Chris Conte (the player, not the reporter) and everyone that had a hand in letting RBs just march up and down the field.

It's a no brainer because the alternatives are far worse

1) Sign McCown, Flynn or some other garbage backups that had a couple of good games this year and tons of crappy ones in the years past
2) Sign Freeman, Weeden, Gabertt or one of the other soon to be jobless QBs
3) VY, Leinheart, JaFatAss or one of the other jobless QBs out there now
4) Trade for Schaub, Sanchez, Orton, Campbell or Cousins (or pick them up if/when they get cut)
5) Pickup whatever QB wasn't touched by the Texans, Browns, Jags or Vikings in the draft and pray to god they turn into Russel Wilson

They could always bring in Orton. Heh.


Grossman is available.  As is Tebow.  Both have a better shot at winning the superbowl than Cutler.

/ Hell, Tebow has experience throwing the ball up for grabs like cutler and sucking up the first three quarters like cutler.  he seems like a perfect fit.
 
2014-01-03 01:50:42 AM

dletter: My headline was: "Someone at the Chicago Bears headquarters dropped a mirror".

Oh well... I assume this one will live vs. the above thread since this one actually has replies.


Save it for when Luck resigns.
 
2014-01-03 01:53:19 AM

I sound fat: Grossman is available.  As is Tebow.  Both have a better shot at winning the superbowl than Cutler.


You may sound fat, but you also sound retarded.
 
2014-01-03 01:54:56 AM
I sound fat:

Grossman is available.  As is Tebow.  Both have a better shot at winning the superbowl than Cutler.

/ Hell, Tebow has experience throwing the ball up for grabs like cutler and sucking up the first three quarters like cutler.  h ...



I'm curious...

Is there a Tebow version of godwin's law?

Because you just invoked it.
 
2014-01-03 02:01:53 AM

zimbomba63: Owangotang: I've been witness to Chicago's infatuation with defense throughout all my years as a Bears fan. This move, and the commitment that the organization has made to scoring, shows me something I have not seen before. Cutler is the best quarterback my team has ever had, at a time when you need to be a prolific scoring team in order to win. It's a good day.

There are two types of people who do not like this move:
1.Haters. Cutler is abrasive and some people cannot separate his talent from his demeanor. They likely even favor quarterbacks that have worse career stats than Cutler, all because of Cutler's character.
2. Old meatballs. They want a dominant defense in Chicago because DITKA POLISH SAHSAGE FIRE AND PASSION DITKA 85 BEARS. These fans genuinely believe that the Bears just need a fullback like Matt Suhey and everything would be OK on the offense.

Boers and Berstein are going to sue for plagiarism.


Yea I guess I made it kinda obvious that I am a listener, but damn it all if they are not usually spot on about so many things.

IAmRight: zimbomba63: The morans talk about McCown like he was busy polishing his Super Bowl rings, when the Bears called him, not coaching a high school team.

Shouldn't it then be concerning, then, that he outperformed your franchise QB?


Not at all, because anyone who truly followed the Bears and is not just parroting the overblown, uninformed national media knows that Cutler was always going to be the QB once he was healthy. Did people clamor for Matt Flynn to start over Aaron Rodgers when Flynn had his one big game a couple of years ago? No, because people who know football understand that Rodgers gave the Packers the better chance to win.

I wonder what could drive such irrational Cutler hate, I mean it is not like he threw exactly as many interceptions as touchdowns. That pretty much defines mediocrity.
 
2014-01-03 02:24:21 AM

El Brujo: MugzyBrown: El Brujo: I hope they sign McCown now, too.

First time those words have ever been put in that order

Probably.

I wonder if he played himself out of backup range for Chicago. I bet there are a few teams who would give him starting money over their current guy, if the situation was right.

Jacksonville? Miami? Cleveland? Minnesota? St. Louis? Oakland?

Just wild guesses


Let's sign a 35 year old career backup for starter money and hand him the keys to the offense, said no NFL GM ever.
 
2014-01-03 07:59:13 AM
Stop with the McCown should start shiat, idiots.

/he played well
//he's also 35 farking years old.
 
2014-01-03 11:57:10 AM
Remember when all of Farkistan was pissing on Flacco's 120m deal as Super Bowl MVP? And how he has been the QB for the most wins in NFL history over the first 5 years?

/good times...hey it is a great deal, Bears...cutler is a clutch, proven winner
 
2014-01-03 03:05:37 PM
Sounds like all the guaranteed money is done after three years. That's actually a pretty smart contract - they lowered the cap hit that they would have taken with the franchise tag, but are only really committed to Jay for as long as they are committed to Trestman.

So, basically, it's a three year deal with team options for the remaining four. If this offense doesn't pan out, they can pull the plug pretty cleanly in three years and rebuild.

Now we'll see if Emery can put together a defense.
 
2014-01-03 03:09:59 PM
Oh, and if you, like me, were wondering why McCown suddenly and inexplicably played beyond his career stats, here is a pretty good article explaining why:

http://www.chicagonow.com/daily-chicago-sports-tab/2013/12/chicago-b ea rs-the-josh-mccown-myth/
 
2014-01-03 04:57:15 PM

DeathByGeekSquad: This is good, and Cutler will be heading to FL for the Offseason with most of the playmakers on Offense - further creating chemistry and stability.  2014 could be an explosive year, barring injuries, for the Bears' already strong offense.


First time those words have EVER been put together in my lifetime.
 
2014-01-03 06:03:22 PM

Owangotang: I wonder what could drive such irrational Cutler hate, I mean it is not like he threw exactly as many interceptions as touchdowns. That pretty much defines mediocrity.


He's also played with far more talent around him and in a much, much easier passing environment. And honestly, his TD/INT ratio is so low it may as well be 1:1. The expected ratio for any decent QB is at least 2:1 now; with guys like Jeffery and Marshall, any decent QB should be at 3:1.

Orgasmatron138: Oh, and if you, like me, were wondering why McCown suddenly and inexplicably played beyond his career stats, here is a pretty good article explaining why:


Well, that doesn't really explain anything. McCown performed well above the levels that the average QB did against all those defenses. But hey, maybe Cutler could post 30 TDs FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HIS CAREER if he ever actually stayed healthy. He hasn't even put up 20 in any of the past 3 years. But hey, injury-prone AND turnover-prone. Definitely things you want in your franchise QB.

/yeah, he's better than what the Bears have had. So would anyone throwing to Jeffery and Marshall with competent offensive staff.
 
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