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(Pro Football Talk)   Chicago Bears give the rest of the NFC North a late Christmas present, re-sign Jay Cutler to a seven year contract   (profootballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line 116
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2014-01-02 11:50:39 AM
I'd finish this comment, but it got pick-sixed.
 
2014-01-02 12:58:50 PM
There's a very good chance that the 30-year-old Cutler will remain with the Bears for the rest of his career.

Ha.
 
2014-01-02 01:11:49 PM
Teams now with a better chance to win the Superb Owl before the Bears in the interim:

Chargers
Vikings
Glenbard East High School
 
2014-01-02 01:12:39 PM
Since most of the rest of the NFC North are Vikings and Lions, I'm sure they'll drop this Christmas present in the trash compactor
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2014-01-02 01:44:14 PM
Cutler played well this year.  He has the offensive weapons around him that can make him a great QB.

The problem with the Bears this year wasn't the offense.  It was the defense.

Whenever you have a "historically bad" defense, with a team as old as the Bears, yeah, you aren't going to win a lot of games.  They did not hold ANY team under 20 points this year.  They gave up 31 points to the Browns!
 
2014-01-02 01:45:37 PM
Two greened for this story.. other one is better.
 
2014-01-02 01:47:14 PM
Quick, name me a better replacement that the Bears would actually have a reasonable chance of acquiring.

/Any competent NFL starting QB is going to get a massive contract
//Supply and demand.
 
2014-01-02 02:13:19 PM
My headline was: "Someone at the Chicago Bears headquarters dropped a mirror".

Oh well... I assume this one will live vs. the above thread since this one actually has replies.
 
2014-01-02 02:25:17 PM
I would never have guessed that anyone would give Cutler a hundred plus million dollar contract.
 
2014-01-02 02:29:16 PM

FreakinB: Quick, name me a better replacement that the Bears would actually have a reasonable chance of acquiring.

/Any competent NFL starting QB is going to get a massive contract
//Supply and demand.


But what about the POISE and LEADERSHIP of Josh McCown!?  Why, he buried the vaunted Dallas Cowboys defense on national TV.  Clearly he was better than Cutler.  Here's a summary of the power house defenses McCown took down this year.

October 20 @ Washington (45-41 loss)
McCown: 14-20, 204 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 119.6 Passer Rating
Washington Pass Defense:
96.1 Passer Rating against - 27th in the NFL
3,896 pass yards against - 20th in the NFL
29 pass TD against - 21st in NFL (tie)
36 sacks - 21st in the NFL (tie)
November 4 @ Green Bay (27-20 win)
McCown: 22-41, 272 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 90.7 Passer Rating
Green Bay Pass Defense:
95.9 Passer Rating against - 25th in the NFL
3,956 pass yards against - 24th in the NFL
30 pass TD against - 27th in the NFL (tie)
44 sacks - 8th in the NFL (tie)
November 17 vs Baltimore (23-20 OT win)
McCown: 19-31, 216 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 92.9 Passer Rating
Baltimore Pass Defense:
82.2 Passer Rating against - 11th in the NFL
3,681 pass yards against - 12th in the NFL
25 pass TD against - 14th in the NFL (tie)
40 sacks - 16th in the NFL (tie)
November 24 @ St. Louis (42-21 loss)
McCown: 36-47, 352 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 102.4 Passer Rating
St. Louis Pass Defense:
94.7 Passer Rating against - 24th in the NFL
3,874 pass yards against - 19th in the NFL
21 pass TD against - 7th in the NFL (tie)
53 sacks - 3rd in the NFL
December 1 @ Minnesota (23-20 OT loss)
McCown: 23-36, 355 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 114.9 Passer Rating
Minnesota Pass Defense:
98.6 Passer Rating against - 30th in the NFL
4,598 pass yards against - 31st in the NFL
37 pass TD against - 32nd in the NFL
41 sacks - 13th in the NFL (tie)
December 9 vs Dallas (45-28 win)
McCown: 27-36, 348 yards, 4 TD, 0 INT, 141.9 Passer Rating
Dallas Pass Defense:
96.0 Passer Rating against - 26th in the NFL
4,589 pass yards against - 30th in the NFL
33 pass TD against - 30th in the NFL (tie)
34 sacks - 25th in the NFL (tie)
 
2014-01-02 02:30:48 PM

MBK: Cutler played well this year.  He has the offensive weapons around him that can make him a great QB.

The problem with the Bears this year wasn't the offense.  It was the defense.

Whenever you have a "historically bad" defense, with a team as old as the Bears, yeah, you aren't going to win a lot of games.  They did not hold ANY team under 20 points this year.  They gave up 31 points to the Browns!


Or new rules that make playing offense easier. There were a lot of historically bad defenses and great offenses this year which says more for the rule changes than it does for the players.

That being said the Bears' D was suck on ice bad this year and your point is still valid.
 
2014-01-02 02:31:32 PM
Cutler's had his up-and-downs, but all the people in Chicago who talk about how McCown would have the Bears in the Super Bowl this year and Cutler is the sole reason the Bears ever lose should not be the ones writing the headlines... Bears had nearly the worst D in the league, one of the top offenses in the league, and Cutler with his best year of his career, why do Chicago media people want to spend every summer and every cent on QBs? I don't care if we have Aaron Rodgers throwing to Randy Moss when Chris Conte has to field the defense.

Better ways to spend time and money this offseason than QB media circus drama. Cutler won't see those 7 years if Emery isn't satisfied, Emery seems ready to get things done at least.
 
2014-01-02 02:40:23 PM
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2014-01-02 02:41:38 PM
It's completely unreasonable for the Bears to resign the best QB the team has had since Sid Luckman. What a bunch of farking idiots!!!

/SID FARKING LUCKMAN
 
2014-01-02 02:42:43 PM

Rapmaster2000: But what about the POISE and LEADERSHIP of Josh McCown


Packers
McCown: 22-41, 272 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 90.7 Passer Rating (win)
Cutler: 15-24, 226 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 103.8 Passer Rating (loss)

Vikings
McCown: 23-36, 355 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 114.9 Passer Rating (loss)
Cutler: 27-38, 292 yards, 3 TD, 2 INT, 97.7 Passer Rating (win)

That Cutler's not clearly better than Josh McCown doesn't speak to how awesome Josh McCown is.
 
2014-01-02 02:43:49 PM

Electromax: Cutler won't see those 7 years if Emery isn't satisfied, Emery seems ready to get things done at least.


Can you name any 37-year-old big-money-and-worth-it QBs? Because that's what Cutler would be in Year 7 of this deal, and at $54M guaranteed, that's a HEAP of coin for the 2019-2020 seasons. I think they're hoping the O-line stays shiatty enough to kill him sometime in Year 4 (I mean, we do all know that the Contract Year and sometimes, the Contract Year-1 numbers are renegotiated in a new deal, yes?) or he retires.

// also, this is a deal almost as big as Flacco's and for a QB that is in every way worse than Joey Eyebrow
 
2014-01-02 02:44:16 PM

Electromax: Cutler's had his up-and-downs, but all the people in Chicago who talk about how McCown would have the Bears in the Super Bowl this year and Cutler is the sole reason the Bears ever lose should not be the ones writing the headlines... Bears had nearly the worst D in the league, one of the top offenses in the league, and Cutler with his best year of his career, why do Chicago media people want to spend every summer and every cent on QBs? I don't care if we have Aaron Rodgers throwing to Randy Moss when Chris Conte has to field the defense.

Better ways to spend time and money this offseason than QB media circus drama. Cutler won't see those 7 years if Emery isn't satisfied, Emery seems ready to get things done at least.


I remember watching Philly fans go through the last decade constantly complaining that McNabb was their weakness and citing the odd Kolb game as clear evidence that McNabb should be replaced while I sat in Chicago watching an endless parade of Peter Tom Mirers and Kordell Kriegs.  I thought that Bears fans would never be so short-sighted if the Bears ever had a competent QB.

I was very wrong on that.
 
2014-01-02 02:46:23 PM

tallguywithglasseson: Rapmaster2000: But what about the POISE and LEADERSHIP of Josh McCown

Packers
McCown: 22-41, 272 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 90.7 Passer Rating (win)
Cutler: 15-24, 226 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 103.8 Passer Rating (loss)

Vikings
McCown: 23-36, 355 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 114.9 Passer Rating (loss)
Cutler: 27-38, 292 yards, 3 TD, 2 INT, 97.7 Passer Rating (win)

That Cutler's not clearly better than Josh McCown doesn't speak to how awesome Josh McCown is.


And Rodgers wasn't clearly better than Flynn before teams acquired a catalog of tape on Flynn.  This is the story of backups.  It's why Tebow the winner that just wins games isn't in the league anymore.
 
2014-01-02 02:46:55 PM

Rapmaster2000: Here's a summary of the power house defenses McCown took down this year.


In 5 out of 6, he outperformed the passer rating against, so that's a pretty good showing.  He also posted a 3-3 record to match Jay's 5-5 record.  They both look like solid quarterbacks, but neither is going to give you that next level of play, and neither is worth $18 million/year.
 
2014-01-02 02:48:38 PM
What's really important is if he can make all of the throws.
 
2014-01-02 02:49:26 PM

Smokey the Bare: It's completely unreasonable for the Bears to resign the best QB the team has had since Sid Luckman. What a bunch of farking idiots!!!

/SID FARKING LUCKMAN


Honest question for the Bears fans: Is Cutler really better than McMahon?
 
2014-01-02 02:52:10 PM
Honest question, since I didn't watch too many Bears games this year; does their defense have any young guys worth keeping and building around? On paper there's still a lot of old, declining stars and what to me looks like "meh" replacements when they got hurt.
 
rka
2014-01-02 02:53:42 PM

GypsyJoker: Smokey the Bare: It's completely unreasonable for the Bears to resign the best QB the team has had since Sid Luckman. What a bunch of farking idiots!!!

/SID FARKING LUCKMAN

Honest question for the Bears fans: Is Cutler really better than McMahon?


That's "The Punky-QB Known as McMahon" to you sir.
 
2014-01-02 02:53:56 PM

Killer Cars: Honest question, since I didn't watch too many Bears games this year; does their defense have any young guys worth keeping and building around? On paper there's still a lot of old, declining stars and what to me looks like "meh" replacements when they got hurt.


I saw a Defensive line. I saw a Defensive backfield. I also saw random people between them running slower than grandma and disappearing about 1 second into each play.
 
2014-01-02 02:55:50 PM

GypsyJoker: Smokey the Bare: It's completely unreasonable for the Bears to resign the best QB the team has had since Sid Luckman. What a bunch of farking idiots!!!

/SID FARKING LUCKMAN

Honest question for the Bears fans: Is Cutler really better than McMahon?


Yes.  Statistically, Jim Harbaugh was a better Bears QB than McMahon and he did it without McMahons's advantages of a fantastic OL and every defense keyed in on Walter Payton.
 
2014-01-02 02:56:41 PM

GypsyJoker: Smokey the Bare: It's completely unreasonable for the Bears to resign the best QB the team has had since Sid Luckman. What a bunch of farking idiots!!!

/SID FARKING LUCKMAN

Honest question for the Bears fans: Is Cutler really better than McMahon?


I can't tell if you being serious here or trolling?

NO ONE ever thought that McMahon was a great QB.  We had arguably the best defensive and offensive lines in history when he was playing his best, and even then it was all Walter Payton.

/please tell me you were trolling...
 
2014-01-02 02:56:45 PM

GypsyJoker: Smokey the Bare: It's completely unreasonable for the Bears to resign the best QB the team has had since Sid Luckman. What a bunch of farking idiots!!!

/SID FARKING LUCKMAN

Honest question for the Bears fans: Is Cutler really better than McMahon?


We never found out because some asshole on the Packers destroyed his shoulder on a chickenshiat late hit bodyslam.
 
2014-01-02 02:58:14 PM

GypsyJoker: Smokey the Bare: It's completely unreasonable for the Bears to resign the best QB the team has had since Sid Luckman. What a bunch of farking idiots!!!

/SID FARKING LUCKMAN

Honest question for the Bears fans: Is Cutler really better than McMahon?


As QB, yes. As a leader, no.

However, it's important to remember that McMahon was the Trent Dilfer of the 80's: anyone could have been QB with the '85 Bears D leading the way.
 
2014-01-02 03:01:47 PM
I like to bag on Quitler, but he is one of the top "next tier" guys after Rodgers, Brees, P. Manning, and Brady. The Bears could certainly do worse. That being said, he does like to lose Packers games in some really creative ways, and for that, keep smokin down south, good buddy.
 
2014-01-02 03:06:35 PM

Killer Cars: Honest question, since I didn't watch too many Bears games this year; does their defense have any young guys worth keeping and building around? On paper there's still a lot of old, declining stars and what to me looks like "meh" replacements when they got hurt.


The Bears have a really old defense, and their two young safeties are terrible. We're looking at a total teardown, all the way to the studs. Pun not intended.
 
2014-01-02 03:08:39 PM
3 good signings today for Chi.

Cutler, Matt Slauson, Tim Jennings

/signing Jay was a no brainier. I hope they sign McCown now, too.
 
2014-01-02 03:12:58 PM

El Brujo: I hope they sign McCown now, too.


First time those words have ever been put in that order
 
2014-01-02 03:18:34 PM

Rapmaster2000: And Rodgers wasn't clearly better than Flynn before teams acquired a catalog of tape on Flynn. This is the story of backups. It's why Tebow the winner that just wins games isn't in the league anymore.


I'm still not trying to tell you that McCown is awesome.
 
2014-01-02 03:19:06 PM
As a Lion's fan, I look forward to 7more years of the Boy Named Suh and Fairley Large destroying Babyface Cutler!
 
2014-01-02 03:20:25 PM

roc6783: I like to bag on Quitler, but he is one of the top "next tier" guys after Rodgers, Brees, P. Manning, and Brady. The Bears could certainly do worse. That being said, he does like to lose Packers games in some really creative ways, and for that, keep smokin down south, good buddy.


I think this is a good signing also. For all his faults, he's still the best QB they would've likely been able to get their hands on. But I know plenty of Bears fans who would rather sweep the Packers and go 2-14 than lose both games but still make the playoffs.
 
2014-01-02 03:21:00 PM

AntonChigger: As a Lion's fan, I look forward to 7more years of the Boy Named Suh and Fairley Large destroying Babyface Cutler!


You are a fan that is the propety of a lion?
 
2014-01-02 03:21:44 PM

Dr Dreidel: Electromax: Cutler won't see those 7 years if Emery isn't satisfied, Emery seems ready to get things done at least.

Can you name any 37-year-old big-money-and-worth-it QBs? Because that's what Cutler would be in Year 7 of this deal, and at $54M guaranteed, that's a HEAP of coin for the 2019-2020 seasons. I think they're hoping the O-line stays shiatty enough to kill him sometime in Year 4 (I mean, we do all know that the Contract Year and sometimes, the Contract Year-1 numbers are renegotiated in a new deal, yes?) or he retires.

// also, this is a deal almost as big as Flacco's and for a QB that is in every way worse than Joey Eyebrow


The O-line was drastically (nigh unbelievably, to me) improved over the 2010-2012 lines. Especially with Marshall and now Jeffrey taking some pressure off Forte, I hope the days of 9-sack first halves are gone for a couple years.

Also Cutler > Flacco in entertainment value, on the field or at the press table.
 
2014-01-02 03:23:00 PM

Treygreen13: AntonChigger: As a Lion's fan, I look forward to 7more years of the Boy Named Suh and Fairley Large destroying Babyface Cutler!

You are a fan that is the propety of a lion?


Its very hot in Africa, and Lions have a lot of fur.

/Stupid grammar
 
2014-01-02 03:26:24 PM
C'mon, if you're going to remove immediate duplicate headlines, at least keep the funny one.

Cutler's the best option they have, but if he's the best option you have, you're not going to win. He's a less-successful Tony Romo with even more chokes to his credit.
 
2014-01-02 03:26:38 PM

AntonChigger: As a Lion's fan, I look forward to 7more years of the Boy Named Suh and Fairley Large destroying Babyface Cutler!


Goodell will probably have made about 2 million in fines from Suh by then, if the trend keeps up. He'shiat Suh for something crazy like $200,000 so far.

The Lions become a lot less hate-able now that asshole coach is gone though, Schwarz always seemed like he could bring out the worst in his guys.
 
2014-01-02 03:29:29 PM

Dr Dreidel: Electromax: Cutler won't see those 7 years if Emery isn't satisfied, Emery seems ready to get things done at least.

Can you name any 37-year-old big-money-and-worth-it QBs? Because that's what Cutler would be in Year 7 of this deal, and at $54M guaranteed, that's a HEAP of coin for the 2019-2020 seasons. I think they're hoping the O-line stays shiatty enough to kill him sometime in Year 4 (I mean, we do all know that the Contract Year and sometimes, the Contract Year-1 numbers are renegotiated in a new deal, yes?) or he retires.

// also, this is a deal almost as big as Flacco's and for a QB that is in every way worse than Joey Eyebrow


Manning, Favre, Cunningham. Barring career enders, Brees (2-3 years) and Brady (1 year) are likely to be there soon.

That said, he'll either be retired or renegotiated by the end of that contract. If it was more than an after thought right now I'd be surprised.
 
2014-01-02 03:29:40 PM

Electromax: AntonChigger: As a Lion's fan, I look forward to 7more years of the Boy Named Suh and Fairley Large destroying Babyface Cutler!

Goodell will probably have made about 2 million in fines from Suh by then, if the trend keeps up. He'shiat Suh for something crazy like $200,000 so far.

The Lions become a lot less hate-able now that asshole coach is gone though, Schwarz always seemed like he could bring out the worst in his guys.


Everytime Suh touches someone or looks at a QB we joke that he is going to get fined
 
2014-01-02 03:33:10 PM

Rapmaster2000: But what about the POISE and LEADERSHIP of Josh McCown!?


He's a very good backup QB. A role player. He is not going to win you the really tough games, but he won't lose the game for you.

Cutler will go balls out to try and win a game, so of course things will go wrong on occasion. No risk, no reward.
 
2014-01-02 03:37:20 PM

redmid17: Manning, Favre, Cunningham. Barring career enders, Brees (2-3 years) and Brady (1 year) are likely to be there soon.

That said, he'll either be retired or renegotiated by the end of that contract.


Of course, there's a pretty huge drop-off from those guys to Cutler.
 
2014-01-02 03:38:57 PM

Dr Dreidel: Can you name any 37-year-old big-money-and-worth-it QBs?


Peyton Manning.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2014-01-02 03:39:40 PM

IAmRight: C'mon, if you're going to remove immediate duplicate headlines, at least keep the funny one.

Cutler's the best option they have, but if he's the best option you have, you're not going to win. He's a less-successful Tony Romo with even more chokes to his credit.


Cutler took the Bears to the NFC Championship game.

Has Romo?


No snark, just wondering.
 
2014-01-02 03:41:02 PM

MBK: IAmRight: C'mon, if you're going to remove immediate duplicate headlines, at least keep the funny one.

Cutler's the best option they have, but if he's the best option you have, you're not going to win. He's a less-successful Tony Romo with even more chokes to his credit.

Cutler took the Bears to the NFC Championship game.

Has Romo?


No snark, just wondering.


No, he hasn't. Which is probably good because where would he put the trophy you get for losing the NFC Championship game?
 
2014-01-02 03:41:29 PM

Electromax: Cutler > Flacco in entertainment value, on the field or at the press table.


Agreed, but for this gem:
blacksportsonline.com
(it's False Start Oher in the background, not Suggs like the filename suggests)

IAmRight: redmid17: Manning, Favre, Cunningham. Barring career enders, Brees (2-3 years) and Brady (1 year) are likely to be there soon.

That said, he'll either be retired or renegotiated by the end of that contract.

Of course, there's a pretty huge drop-off from those guys to Cutler.


Which was my point. Also that there have been like 5 in the history of the game (and Favre is stretching it a bit. That last season he was awful IIRC).
 
2014-01-02 03:45:35 PM

Electromax: AntonChigger: As a Lion's fan, I look forward to 7more years of the Boy Named Suh and Fairley Large destroying Babyface Cutler!

Goodell will probably have made about 2 million in fines from Suh by then, if the trend keeps up. He'shiat Suh for something crazy like $200,000 so far.

The Lions become a lot less hate-able now that asshole coach is gone though, Schwarz always seemed like he could bring out the worst in his guys.


Between Suh, Fairley, and Stafford, there's still plenty to hate about them. But who knows, maybe with a different coach they won't be as big of douchebags.
 
2014-01-02 03:48:20 PM

Dr Dreidel: Electromax: Cutler > Flacco in entertainment value, on the field or at the press table.

Agreed, but for this gem:
[blacksportsonline.com image 450x600]
(it's False Start Oher in the background, not Suggs like the filename suggests)

IAmRight: redmid17: Manning, Favre, Cunningham. Barring career enders, Brees (2-3 years) and Brady (1 year) are likely to be there soon.

That said, he'll either be retired or renegotiated by the end of that contract.

Of course, there's a pretty huge drop-off from those guys to Cutler.

Which was my point. Also that there have been like 5 in the history of the game (and Favre is stretching it a bit. That last season he was awful IIRC).


Favre had some rough patches around 36/37 but he also had a 109 QB rating as a 40 year old. Outside of the 1998 season with Moss and Carter, Cunningham was generally worse than Cutler has performed after he turned 28/29. Favre just lost it in his last season. He Delhommed.
 
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