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(The New York Times)   Department Chair at UNC under indictment for creating hundreds of "phantom" classes that never actually met over the last 14 years. It's total coincidence that all the kids enrolled in those classes just happened to be football and basketball players   (nytimes.com) divider line 233
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2014-01-02 01:19:26 PM
Warrior Code 101: Ultimate Alpha Males the World Cannot Possibly Begin to Understand
 
2014-01-02 01:22:02 PM
And it looks like the University has successfully insulated themselves already:

" ...the indictment with "unlawfully, willfully and feloniously" accepting payment "with the intent to cheat and defraud" the university in connection with the AFAM course...   "
 
2014-01-02 01:29:14 PM
Religion 101: Yes, Jesus Does Care That You Just Scored a Touchdown
 
2014-01-02 01:32:36 PM
This is a learning experience for them.

Next time they'll learn not to get caught.
 
2014-01-02 01:33:23 PM

media.scout.com

 
2014-01-02 01:33:56 PM
Others must have known. Academic departments usually have a curriculum committee that schedules classes. Its not usually just one guy who creates courses out of thin air. Plus there are periodic post-tenure reviews and class visitations by review committee members.
 
2014-01-02 01:34:45 PM
ANYTHING FOR FOOTBALL!!! ANYTHING!!!!
 
2014-01-02 01:38:57 PM
CSB: When I was a TA, I once had 2 nationally ranked volleyball players in a biology lab class. I conclusively caught the dumber one cheating off the smarter one on several occasions, documented it with undeniable evidence, and recommended failing grades.

The course coordinator apparently conferred with higher-ups, because the 2 girls were given B's.

They went on to win the NCAA championship that year and the dumb one went on to be a very successful coach herself, so I've always felt conflicted about it.
 
2014-01-02 01:39:28 PM
This is the sort of happy horseshiat that
a) Goes on all the time
b) is why football programs should be nuked out of colleges
c) is why I have 0 respect for colleges and football.

People glorify this sort of farked up behavior.
 
2014-01-02 01:41:49 PM
Phantom Class is part of the core curriculum at Hogwarts.
 
2014-01-02 01:43:54 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-02 01:45:04 PM

MrBallou: CSB: When I was a TA, I once had 2 nationally ranked volleyball players in a biology lab class. I conclusively caught the dumber one cheating off the smarter one on several occasions, documented it with undeniable evidence, and recommended failing grades.

The course coordinator apparently conferred with higher-ups, because the 2 girls were given B's.

They went on to win the NCAA championship that year and the dumb one went on to be a very successful coach herself, so I've always felt conflicted about it.


You reported all this to the NCAA and the school was sanctioned right? Or you like being part of the problem?

nothing personal by what part do sports have in education again? Other than creating corruption in schools?
 
2014-01-02 01:46:10 PM

vudukungfu: This is the sort of happy horseshiat that
a) Goes on all the time
b) is why football programs should be nuked out of colleges
c) is why I have 0 respect for colleges and football.

People glorify this sort of farked up behavior.


and high school and grade school
why do the professional teams need the schools for a farm system?
/bread and circuses
 
2014-01-02 01:49:29 PM

Somacandra: Others must have known. Academic departments usually have a curriculum committee that schedules classes. Its not usually just one guy who creates courses out of thin air. Plus there are periodic post-tenure reviews and class visitations by review committee members.


thats what I was thinking.  Not to mention some one at some point would register for one of these classes without knowing it was a scam.  I'm thinking a whole lot of people had to be in on this for it to get pulled off without a hitch.
 
2014-01-02 01:49:38 PM
What about all the corporations that thought they had hired legitimate Afro-American historians?  All this time they've been relying on  frauds to provide the research, insight and Afro-American studies know how that is required to make their business run properly.  People may have died because of your reckless actions, Professor Nyang'oro - people may have died.
 
2014-01-02 01:53:05 PM

namatad: and high school and grade school


Football should not be a part of K-12 education.
They should have Martial arts classes for PE and only that.
Judo in K-6, Ju Jitsu in 7-10, Aikido from 11-12th grade.
And  toss out civics class and teach logic.
 
2014-01-02 02:03:42 PM

Somacandra: Others must have known. Academic departments usually have a curriculum committee that schedules classes. Its not usually just one guy who creates courses out of thin air. Plus there are periodic post-tenure reviews and class visitations by review committee members.


And let's not even begin to touch the minefeild that is the fact that this was the African American Studies dept, that college athletes are predominantly black, and even IF you believe UNC was in the dark about all this (not likely)  it at least means they treated the Af-AM dept  with a dismissive  neglect that you would have never seen in the engineering or English depts
 
2014-01-02 02:06:06 PM

namatad: MrBallou: CSB: When I was a TA, I once had 2 nationally ranked volleyball players in a biology lab class. I conclusively caught the dumber one cheating off the smarter one on several occasions, documented it with undeniable evidence, and recommended failing grades.

The course coordinator apparently conferred with higher-ups, because the 2 girls were given B's.

They went on to win the NCAA championship that year and the dumb one went on to be a very successful coach herself, so I've always felt conflicted about it.

You reported all this to the NCAA and the school was sanctioned right? Or you like being part of the problem?

nothing personal by what part do sports have in education again? Other than creating corruption in schools?


I am a moral failure and unworthy to live among decent people. In my defense, I was a lowly grad student at the time and didn't feel like torpedoing my career over a couple of jocks who would probably prevail anyway. I was more of a drunken field biologist than crusader in those days. The NCAA thing didn't come up until months later, so it never occurred to me to go that high up.

My conflict is over the question of whether it necessarily matters. Sure, we absolutely need academic integrity, but obviously the girl's failure to grasp finer points of squid anatomy had little impact on her subsequent career. If I'd sunk her, she'd probably be a hooker or a welfare case today.
 
2014-01-02 02:07:46 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: ANYTHING FOR FOOTBALL BASKETBALL!!! ANYTHING!!!!


This is UNC. Football will always be an afterthought to basketball.
 
2014-01-02 02:11:15 PM

MrBallou: CSB: When I was a TA, I once had 2 nationally ranked volleyball players in a biology lab class. I conclusively caught the dumber one cheating off the smarter one on several occasions, documented it with undeniable evidence, and recommended failing grades.

The course coordinator apparently conferred with higher-ups, because the 2 girls were given B's.

They went on to win the NCAA championship that year and the dumb one went on to be a very successful coach herself, so I've always felt conflicted about it.


Nah, you reported it to higher ups, it's off your shoulders from there.  Other actions get little people smooshed like bugs under foot.
 
2014-01-02 02:19:28 PM

vudukungfu: namatad: and high school and grade school

Football should not be a part of K-12 education.
They should have Martial arts classes for PE and only that.
Judo in K-6, Ju Jitsu in 7-10, Aikido from 11-12th grade.
And  toss out civics class and teach logic.


We're talking about a Warrior's Code, here. Not some stupid marshal arts.
 
2014-01-02 02:32:13 PM
Nyang'oro, please.
 
2014-01-02 02:33:11 PM

sigdiamond2000: Warrior's Code,


riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Blood for the Herp god.
 
2014-01-02 02:46:49 PM
Whoa. That's pretty blatant, I wonder why they thought they could get away with that?

I had a football player in my speech class at the University of Georgia--well, fark yeah, he passed. As I recall, he wasn't that bad. But it was a 100-level speech class.
 
2014-01-02 02:53:06 PM
College sports should be played at the club level, and the NBA and NFL can jolly well form minor leagues.  The intersection of huge sports money and academia is not going well at all.
 
2014-01-02 02:54:27 PM
What do a Wake Forest fan and a UNC fan have in common?

Neither of them went to UNC.
 
2014-01-02 02:54:47 PM
Taught by Prof. Professorsen.
 
2014-01-02 02:55:21 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: [i.imgur.com image 850x479]


Came for the community reference ... leaving satisfied.
 
2014-01-02 02:55:28 PM
Because sports MATTER!
 
2014-01-02 02:55:37 PM
Magorn:  And let's not even begin to touch the minefeild that is the fact that this was the African American Studies dept, that college athletes are predominantly black, and even IF you believe UNC was in the dark about all this (not likely)  it at least means they treated the Af-AM dept  with a dismissive  neglect that you would have never seen in the engineering or English depts

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-01-02 02:56:01 PM
The NFL had been a tax-dodging 501(c)(3) "non-profit" since 1966.

Discuss.
 
2014-01-02 02:56:02 PM
Who discovered this violation Captain Renault?
 
2014-01-02 02:56:45 PM
Half the students were athletes,,, not all, at least according to TFA.

And football is awesome. Basketball slightly less so.

And both bring in money at these big schools, they aren't taking up funds otherwise used for academics or research. They also usually pay for all other sports, not to mention helping drive funding for the school in general.
 
2014-01-02 02:56:54 PM

sigdiamond2000: We're talking about a Warrior's Code, here. Not some stupid marshal arts.


upload.wikimedia.org

The university says the blame rests firmly and exclusively with two people: Mr. Nyang'oro and Deborah Crowder, the department manager, who retired in 2009 after 30 years there.

Bullshiat.  I find it very, very hard to believe that his superiors and the athletic department did not know about this.
 
2014-01-02 02:58:17 PM

lohphat: The NFL had been a tax-dodging 501(c)(3) "non-profit" since 1966.

Discuss.


Did something happen recently to make this completely mundane fact so popular that it gets repeated on every sports story?
 
2014-01-02 03:01:02 PM

Philip J. Fry: lohphat: The NFL had been a tax-dodging 501(c)(3) "non-profit" since 1966.

Discuss.

Did something happen recently to make this completely mundane fact so popular that it gets repeated on every sports story?


The NFL was a nonprofit?  Are you bloody JOKING?
 
2014-01-02 03:01:35 PM

MrBallou: CSB: When I was a TA, I once had 2 nationally ranked volleyball players in a biology lab class. I conclusively caught the dumber one cheating off the smarter one on several occasions, documented it with undeniable evidence, and recommended failing grades.

The course coordinator apparently conferred with higher-ups, because the 2 girls were given B's.

They went on to win the NCAA championship that year and the dumb one went on to be a very successful coach herself, so I've always felt conflicted about it.


Same deal (except it was baseball). However, they both lost their scholarships. The prof was also my thesis adviser and dept. chair and he was 100% supportive of me.

/ True story bro'
// Iowa for the win.
 
2014-01-02 03:01:54 PM

lohphat: The NFL had been a tax-dodging 501(c)(3) "non-profit" since 1966.

Discuss.


Okay. The NFL is actually a 501(c)(6), not a 501(c)(3).
 
2014-01-02 03:02:16 PM

Somacandra: Others must have known. Academic departments usually have a curriculum committee that schedules classes. Its not usually just one guy who creates courses out of thin air. Plus there are periodic post-tenure reviews and class visitations by review committee members.


I agree that class schedules had to be known, but class visitations, especially post-tenure? Not so much at some schools.
 
2014-01-02 03:02:38 PM

Philip J. Fry: lohphat: The NFL had been a tax-dodging 501(c)(3) "non-profit" since 1966.

Discuss.

Did something happen recently to make this completely mundane fact so popular that it gets repeated on every sports story?


I think it was on Radiolab a few weeks ago.
 
2014-01-02 03:03:24 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: [i.imgur.com image 850x479]


I think this is the first time I've noticed that the instructor for "Principals of Intermediate" is "Syfy."
 
2014-01-02 03:03:46 PM

Il Douchey: What about all the corporations that thought they had hired legitimate Afro-American historians?  All this time they've been relying on  frauds to provide the research, insight and Afro-American studies know how that is required to make their business run properly.  People may have died because of your reckless actions, Professor Nyang'oro - people may have died.



Very good point.

Football almost certainly isn't the only (and may not have even been the biggest) reason he got away with it for so long.
 
2014-01-02 03:04:13 PM

MrBallou: namatad: MrBallou: CSB: When I was a TA, I once had 2 nationally ranked volleyball players in a biology lab class. I conclusively caught the dumber one cheating off the smarter one on several occasions, documented it with undeniable evidence, and recommended failing grades.

The course coordinator apparently conferred with higher-ups, because the 2 girls were given B's.

They went on to win the NCAA championship that year and the dumb one went on to be a very successful coach herself, so I've always felt conflicted about it.

You reported all this to the NCAA and the school was sanctioned right? Or you like being part of the problem?

nothing personal by what part do sports have in education again? Other than creating corruption in schools?

I am a moral failure and unworthy to live among decent people. In my defense, I was a lowly grad student at the time and didn't feel like torpedoing my career over a couple of jocks who would probably prevail anyway. I was more of a drunken field biologist than crusader in those days. The NCAA thing didn't come up until months later, so it never occurred to me to go that high up.

My conflict is over the question of whether it necessarily matters. Sure, we absolutely need academic integrity, but obviously the girl's failure to grasp finer points of squid anatomy had little impact on her subsequent career. If I'd sunk her, she'd probably be a hooker or a welfare case today.


Damn, too bad you couldn't sink her by tattling you big hero you!
 
2014-01-02 03:04:56 PM
It isn't hard to understand. PE and intramurals.  And that's it. Get colleges out of the entertainment industry.
 
2014-01-02 03:04:59 PM
The thing is - Universities are all just a big circle-jerk.  I get that some people (non-athletes) would like to keep it an 'intellectual' circle-jerk; but there is no objective criteria involved.  A degree is just a fancy (and expensive) stamp of approval.  It means some faceless institute says 'Fark_Guy_Rob isn't too retarded, we gave him a degree'.

It's not fair and objective.  It's not supposed to be.  They don't even pretend to be.

Athletics are big business because more would-be students care about the football team than the number of papers published by the Physics department (and don't think for a second those papers being published don't involve huge amounts of political bs of the same nature as this academic scandal).  And, despite what you might think, even public universities are in it to make money.  Students == money.  Sports == students and money.  Therefore universities want athletes to be good at sports, not reading.
 
2014-01-02 03:05:06 PM
Who gives a shiat? We're talking about a few dozen students on a campus of tens of thousands. I seriously doubt that your school rubber-stamping a few Comm degrees is going to ruin your competitive edge in the workplace.

Some people are going to get special treatment in life, get over it and worry about yourself.

/not a sports fan.
 
2014-01-02 03:06:12 PM
WAAAAY past time to review the role of sports at American colleges and universities. Frankly, despite all the free rides the athletes get in school, unless they're very academically disciplined, they're exploited while they're there and effed afterwards as well. How many of the college athletes will actually make it to The Show? So they get an easy pass in college, but they don't make much real money while they're there. At least not enough to keep going on if they don't make it to the show, but they don't have to worry about developing real world skills either. Meanwhile, the school and the TV networks pull in huge amts of cash.

Its wrong, and it needs to be fixed.
 
2014-01-02 03:06:18 PM
Affleck was bomb in them, though.
 
2014-01-02 03:06:21 PM

twistedmetal: MrBallou: CSB: When I was a TA, I once had 2 nationally ranked volleyball players in a biology lab class. I conclusively caught the dumber one cheating off the smarter one on several occasions, documented it with undeniable evidence, and recommended failing grades.

The course coordinator apparently conferred with higher-ups, because the 2 girls were given B's.

They went on to win the NCAA championship that year and the dumb one went on to be a very successful coach herself, so I've always felt conflicted about it.

Nah, you reported it to higher ups, it's off your shoulders from there.  Other actions get little people smooshed like bugs under foot.



At the University I'm at, when you pass something higher up the chain, it makes it to the Dean of Academic Conduct.  If you admit you farked up and it's your first offense, you get a slap on the wrist at most.  If you deny it and double down, you gonna get raped.  That's what happens for non-athletes.  So if you catch someone with conclusive evidence, it is still reasonable for them to get a B in the class.

I'm also conflicted on that policy (not that I have any say whatsoever) but the reasoning is these kids are teenagers, they're college students so it's not unreasonable to think they'll do something stupid.  What's important is they learn from it.  If they do learn from it, there's no need to put a permanent mark on their record ruining their careers/lives.  I can't imagine a medical school taking a student with cheating on their record.
 
GBB
2014-01-02 03:07:06 PM

lohphat: The NFL had been a tax-dodging 501(c)(3) "non-profit" since 1966.

Discuss.


So, they don't distribute profits to shareholders or owners as dividends??   Where's the controversy?
 
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