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(UPI)   To further prove that Jahi McMath has absolutely no chance of recovering, Terri Schaivo supporters have taken up the cause   (upi.com) divider line 171
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2014-01-02 09:49:51 AM
Thanks for helping.
 
2014-01-02 09:50:52 AM
Not more of this sick shiat....
 
2014-01-02 09:50:57 AM
You're a real scumbag if you keep a vegetable alive for any reason. No question about it.
 
2014-01-02 09:51:21 AM
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2014-01-02 09:51:25 AM
Of course they have.
 
2014-01-02 09:53:35 AM
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2014-01-02 09:53:51 AM
The Terri Schiavo Life & Hope Foundation website features both Glenn Beck and Michelle Malkin, and includes a page talking about Obamacare DEATH PANELS.  That pretty much tells you the level of their insanity.
 
2014-01-02 09:54:07 AM
I really worry about people who don't understand the concept of brain death... like, what else are they completely clueless on?
 
2014-01-02 09:56:03 AM
I was told there would be no McMath.

/So, so sorry...
 
2014-01-02 09:56:31 AM
"This includes a beating heart, circulation and respiration, the ability to metabolize nutrition and more. Jahi is a living human being."

Is this what it takes for someone to qualify as a living human being?
 
2014-01-02 09:57:34 AM
nnnnnggggggg
 
2014-01-02 09:58:15 AM

gnosis301: Is this what it takes for someone to qualify as a living human being?


*Technically*? Yes.
 
2014-01-02 09:58:35 AM
Jahi has been comatose since tonsil surgery went badly wrong three weeks ago.

Yeah, that sounds like it went REALLY badly wrong.
 
2014-01-02 09:58:40 AM

gnosis301: "This includes a beating heart, circulation and respiration, the ability to metabolize nutrition and more. Jahi is a living human being."

Is this what it takes for someone to qualify as a living human being?


Check the Politics tab.
 
2014-01-02 09:58:43 AM
Have I played too much Cyberpunk?  My first thought was how much you could sell those healthy organs for.
 
2014-01-02 09:59:05 AM

gnosis301: "This includes a beating heart, circulation and respiration, the ability to metabolize nutrition and more. Jahi is a living human being."

Is this what it takes for someone to qualify as a living human being?


Ask any unmarried middle aged woman with pets.
 
2014-01-02 09:59:11 AM
This IS why I can't be a doctor, at this point i would have grabbed this girls family and screamed:

She's not pining, She's passed on! This girl is no more! She has ceased to be! She's expired and gone to meet her maker! This, is a late teen-ager! She's a stiff! Bereft of life, She rests in peace! If you hadn't hooked her to those machines she would be pushin' up the daisies! She's rung down the curtain and joined the choir invisible! "THIS IS AN EX HUMAN!"
 
2014-01-02 10:00:10 AM
I ordered termination of my mothers care nine months ago, so I'm not getting a kick...
 
2014-01-02 10:02:47 AM
Who?
 
2014-01-02 10:03:01 AM

gnosis301: "This includes a beating heart, circulation and respiration, the ability to metabolize nutrition and more. Jahi is a living human being."

Is this what it takes for someone to qualify as a living human being?


Well we don't exactly have a working definition of what is "alive" vs "dead"/  You'd think this would be Sesame Street Level simple, but in modern medicine, it's really not, which is why we have to add adjectives sometimes like "brain" to qualify the word "dead".   I know of a case where an Anacephalic baby (trust me do not GIS that word- it means born without a brain)  was kept alive  for YEARS at the family's insistence because they were sure she would wake uo and be fine any day now, despite the fact that was manifestly impossible
 
2014-01-02 10:05:52 AM
Unfortunately she's too young for me to make a bad-taste oral sex joke.
 
2014-01-02 10:06:04 AM
I see that Schaivo's family still hasn't come to terms with the fact they were wrong about Terri...
 
2014-01-02 10:06:07 AM
Well, they can't take her like that. It's against regulations.
 
2014-01-02 10:06:51 AM

gnosis301: "This includes a beating heart, circulation and respiration, the ability to metabolize nutrition and more. Jahi is a living human being."

Is this what it takes for someone to qualify as a living human being?


Does she have those things without mechanical intervention? (Specifically respiration) Then she does not have them.
 
2014-01-02 10:07:02 AM

Magorn: This IS why I can't be a doctor, at this point i would have grabbed this girls family and screamed:

She's not pining, She's passed on! This girl is no more! She has ceased to be! She's expired and gone to meet her maker! This, is a late teen-ager! She's a stiff! Bereft of life, She rests in peace! If you hadn't hooked her to those machines she would be pushin' up the daisies! She's rung down the curtain and joined the choir invisible! "THIS IS AN EX HUMAN!"


Don't beat around the bush, Magorn - tell us what you really think.

I agree though. I don't know who's more brain dead right now. The girl, or her parents that insist there's nothing "really" wrong with their daughter.
 
2014-01-02 10:07:21 AM

czei: Well, they can't take her like that. It's against regulations.


Awww, do us a favor
 
2014-01-02 10:07:37 AM
The girl is (was) 13. He medical decisions are made by her parents. If they want her kept "alive", and don't want me to pay for it, then have at it.
 
2014-01-02 10:08:52 AM
I am unable to form an opinion regarding Ms. McMath's situation until and unless former Senator Bill Frist offers an opinion based upon his viewing of an edited video of the girl.
 
2014-01-02 10:09:26 AM

duffblue: You're a real scumbag if you keep a vegetable alive for any reason. No question about it.


While I tend to agree with you, the decision should be left to the family. Hospitals and doctors have been known to be wrong, and people have recovered from long term coma. If the family want to continue to keep the shell alive (and can afford to do so), let them. Perhaps after 17 years or so they will realize that they have been deluding themselves all along. But mainly, it is the family's decision.
 
2014-01-02 10:12:32 AM

Gecko Gingrich: The girl is (was) 13. He medical decisions are made by her parents. If they want her kept "alive", and don't want me to pay for it, then have at it.


If there was any chance at recovery at all, then the decision IMO should not be financial. However, there is no chance. None. Such a thing will never, ever happen. And since the family is not wealthy enough to be paying for all this themselves, the astronomical cost of keeping her corpse warm will be sucked up by the insurance company and when they stop paying, the hospital. These costs will be passed on to the public through higher medical and insurance costs. So yes, they do want you to pay for it.
 
2014-01-02 10:13:27 AM

Mirandized: duffblue: You're a real scumbag if you keep a vegetable alive for any reason. No question about it.

While I tend to agree with you, the decision should be left to the family. Hospitals and doctors have been known to be wrong, and people have recovered from long term coma. If the family want to continue to keep the shell alive (and can afford to do so), let them. Perhaps after 17 years or so they will realize that they have been deluding themselves all along. But mainly, it is the family's decision.


Coma is one thing, complete cessation of neural activity is another.  Terry Schaivo, for instance, had her brain actually liquefy long before she technically "died".  There simply is no getting better from that
 
2014-01-02 10:15:27 AM

Magorn: gnosis301: "This includes a beating heart, circulation and respiration, the ability to metabolize nutrition and more. Jahi is a living human being."

Is this what it takes for someone to qualify as a living human being?

Well we don't exactly have a working definition of what is "alive" vs "dead"/  You'd think this would be Sesame Street Level simple, but in modern medicine, it's really not, which is why we have to add adjectives sometimes like "brain" to qualify the word "dead".   I know of a case where an Anacephalic baby (trust me do not GIS that word- it means born without a brain)  was kept alive  for YEARS at the family's insistence because they were sure she would wake uo and be fine any day now, despite the fact that was manifestly impossible


"My baby has no brain! She's still good, she's still good!"
/I know that grief can be a real biatch, but some day, you just gotta move on.
 
2014-01-02 10:17:10 AM
Well brain dead shouldn't stop her from having a productive life. She could get a spot on a reality show and parley that into being on The View.
 
2014-01-02 10:18:07 AM

gnosis301: "This includes a beating heart, circulation and respiration, the ability to metabolize nutrition and more. Jahi is a living human being."

Is this what it takes for someone to qualify as a living human being?


For the love of shiat, Jahi isn't doing any of that.  She is hooked up to machines that are doing it for her.

Listen, if I were to kill someone, but then open him up and start squeezing his heart myself, I've still killed that person.  I can't say "Look his heart's beating he's a living person I'm not a killer" and then accuse the cops who arrest me for killing the guy.
 
2014-01-02 10:18:42 AM

gnosis301: "This includes a beating heart, circulation and respiration, the ability to metabolize nutrition and more. Jahi is a living human being."

Is this what it takes for someone to qualify as a living human being?


Ancephalic babies are considered humans too.
 
2014-01-02 10:18:50 AM

Magorn: Mirandized: duffblue: You're a real scumbag if you keep a vegetable alive for any reason. No question about it.

While I tend to agree with you, the decision should be left to the family. Hospitals and doctors have been known to be wrong, and people have recovered from long term coma. If the family want to continue to keep the shell alive (and can afford to do so), let them. Perhaps after 17 years or so they will realize that they have been deluding themselves all along. But mainly, it is the family's decision.

Coma is one thing, complete cessation of neural activity is another.  Terry Schaivo, for instance, had her brain actually liquefy long before she technically "died".  There simply is no getting better from that


Terry Schaivo with her fraction of living brain was more alive than this girl is.
 
2014-01-02 10:19:14 AM

groppet: Well brain dead shouldn't stop her from having a productive life. She could get a spot on a reality show and parley that into being on The View.


She can't be on The View, she has too much personality.
 
2014-01-02 10:20:38 AM

Magorn: gnosis301: "This includes a beating heart, circulation and respiration, the ability to metabolize nutrition and more. Jahi is a living human being."

Is this what it takes for someone to qualify as a living human being?

Well we don't exactly have a working definition of what is "alive" vs "dead"/  You'd think this would be Sesame Street Level simple, but in modern medicine, it's really not, which is why we have to add adjectives sometimes like "brain" to qualify the word "dead".   I know of a case where an Anacephalic baby (trust me do not GIS that word- it means born without a brain)  was kept alive  for YEARS at the family's insistence because they were sure she would wake uo and be fine any day now, despite the fact that was manifestly impossible


Actually, Baby K has been pointed to as a triumph by some in the pro-life movement. Trying to find the source, but I know last year there was a story somewhere where during all the state abortion laws a representative challenged the claim that anacephaly was a justified reason for a late term abortion as just because they had a "birth defect" doesn't mean they didn't have a soul (it was not clear how aware of just how significant an issue anacephaly is). Plus the pro-life sites really do believe that you can be brain dead and have an incredibly fulfilling life without brain function (pictures are safe):

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn/2008/jun/08060502

The fact that machines are required to breathe and eat doesn't matter, the baby responds to touch! You know, because having reactions is a sign of sentience and not present in even the most basic lifeforms.
 
2014-01-02 10:21:41 AM
Track the balloons damnit!
 
2014-01-02 10:21:54 AM
So, as a good Christian, you believe in an eternal soul. As a grownup in the 21st Century, you understand that a body with a certain amount of damage will not keep living without extraordinary, technical means. The doctors tell you her brain is dead, and you know that only machines allow her to have "a beating heart, circulation and respiration, the ability to metabolize nutrition and more." You know this because you are fighting to keep her on those machines. Instead of freeing her immortal soul (which you claim to believe in) to go to heaven (which you claim to believe in) and be with God (which you claim to believe in), you are trapping her soul in a prison of meat, blood, and bone that only continues to function because of technology.
 
2014-01-02 10:24:20 AM
...Wouldn't the Terrui Schaivo supports be the ones in favor of letting her die?
 
2014-01-02 10:24:31 AM

namegoeshere: If there was any chance at recovery at all, then the decision IMO should not be financial. However, there is no chance. None. Such a thing will never, ever happen.


I'm well aware of this. However, I'm able to make a logical decision, as I have no emotional investment in this situation. The family does not have the same luxury.

namegoeshere: And since the family is not wealthy enough to be paying for all this themselves, the astronomical cost of keeping her corpse warm will be sucked up by the insurance company and when they stop paying, the hospital. These costs will be passed on to the public through higher medical and insurance costs. So yes, they do want you to pay for it.


That's why I made the statement regarding my feelings if I have to pay. I'd be surprised if the insurance company or the hospital has any obligation to pay for her care after a diagnosis of, "She's dead, Jim," has been made. I'd imagine The Terri Schiavo Center for Parents Who Can't Understand Medicine Good and Wanna Learn to Do Other Stuff Good Too will be footing the bill.
 
2014-01-02 10:31:07 AM

DeaH: So, as a good Christian, you believe in an eternal soul. As a grownup in the 21st Century, you understand that a body with a certain amount of damage will not keep living without extraordinary, technical means. The doctors tell you her brain is dead, and you know that only machines allow her to have "a beating heart, circulation and respiration, the ability to metabolize nutrition and more." You know this because you are fighting to keep her on those machines. Instead of freeing her immortal soul (which you claim to believe in) to go to heaven (which you claim to believe in) and be with God (which you claim to believe in), you are trapping her soul in a prison of meat, blood, and bone that only continues to function because of technology.


I'm sure they also believe that a miracle will bring her back good as new because they're praying for one super hard.
 
2014-01-02 10:31:14 AM

ctrlshiftspace: ...Wouldn't the Terrui Schaivo supports be the ones in favor of letting her die?


It's her family, they were the ones fighting to keep her on support when her husband wanted to let her go.
 
2014-01-02 10:31:20 AM
Sorry about your loss folks, but that's not your daughter you're refusing to let go; that's just the box she came in.
 
2014-01-02 10:34:03 AM

gnosis301: "This includes a beating heart, circulation and respiration, the ability to metabolize nutrition and more. Jahi is a living human being."

Is this what it takes for someone to qualify as a living human being?


Historically, every attempt to add further qualifications to the definition has been used to justify atrocities before ultimately being thoroughly discredited. It is long past time we accepted that this is all it takes.
 
2014-01-02 10:34:29 AM

Mirandized: While I tend to agree with you, the decision should be left to the family. Hospitals and doctors have been known to be wrong, and people have recovered from long term coma.


My feelings as well. The parents are wanting to have a tracheostomy performed so that the girl might be weaned from the respirator.

I've also heard it reported both coma and brain dead - two totally different things. So, I can't judge the parents for attempting to give their daughter a second chance. I don't know everything they're being told.

It's just farking sad and I wouldn't want to switch places with this family.
 
2014-01-02 10:36:27 AM

gnosis301: "This includes a beating heart, circulation and respiration, the ability to metabolize nutrition and more. Jahi is a living human being."

Is this what it takes for someone to qualify as a living human being?


Can she still be used as a tax deduction?  If yes, then, it means nothing to the debate.
 
2014-01-02 10:36:59 AM
I'm sure she could have a rich and fulfilling life as a doorstop.
 
2014-01-02 10:37:09 AM
Not sure about this case, but I do know someone who's daughter was declared braindead after a major accident over a year ago.

Mom lost control of the car with her two daughters in the car, they slid into a telephone pole, then the pole fell down. The car struck on the back side where the older daughter was.

The doc told our friend to pull the plug, it's what he (the doc) would have done if it was his kid.

Kid was in a coma for about a month, then she came out of it, after a lot of surgery (brain and facial)

I'll be honest I'm not sure what I'd do if I was in either of their shoes
 
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